Created By: Akamia on January 1, 2012 Last Edited By: Akamia on March 4, 2012

An Afterlife By Any Other Name

Afterlives not in a place named \

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The afterlife. A place where people go after they die. That's what this is.

Various works and religions and other things portray the afterlife as various different places. Among other things, we have Tartarus and Elysia from Greek mythology, and the Underwhere and Overthere from Super Paper Mario (and, possibly, the entire Marioverse.)

This possible trope covers such instances of Afterlife appearances where the locations are not named Heaven and Hell.

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  • January 1, 2012
    dalek955
    First off, anything mentioning religion should never contain a Truth In Television link unless it's something concrete and verifiable. It's Flame Bait like no other.

    Second...I think this may be one we don't have. There are several items under Religion Tropes about specific types of afterlives (Fluffy Cloud Heaven, Fire And Brimstone Hell, Mundane Afterlife and The Nothing After Death to name a few), but I couldn't find anything on the concept of afterlives as a whole. If nothing else, it might make a good sub-index for people who don't want to trawl though the entire Religion Tropes page.

    EDIT: we do, in fact, have a page on Heaven And Hell. Even so, it only represents that particular, binary form of afterlife. Still nothing on afterlives in general.
  • January 1, 2012
    wanderlustwarrior
    I'd say make an index.
  • January 1, 2012
    Generality
    An index was in the works here. I've bumped it.
  • January 4, 2012
    Akamia
    @ Dalek: Well, I wouldn't know anything about the Flame Bait... I usually refer to anything in Real Life as Truth In Television... I suppose that's a bad habit. Anyhow, I'll deal with it. As for what this trope-in-the-works is about (not to mention it's name)... I was thinking it might cover pretty much any sort of Afterlife that is going by a name other than Heaven and Hell. Hence why it Needs A Better Title.
  • January 4, 2012
    dalek955
    Actually, Tartarus and Elysium pretty much are Heaven and Hell. Better examples might be Spirit World or The Lifestream.
  • January 5, 2012
    Akamia
    Okay... But what would the Underwhere and Overthere fall under? I've been looking for a good trope (or a good few tropes) for them, but I don't know what applies to them. It Just Bugs Me. That's why I brought this up...

    In hindsight, I probably should have brought the above to Lost And Found instead. But how would one explain what I need for Super Paper Mario...?

    Anyway, since we already have a YKTTW on afterlives in general ("The Afterlife"), I decided to change this one to what I had originally envisioned, for 2 reasons.
    • I did not want people to think I was duplicating the other YKTTW, or anything along that line.
    • I wasn't clear enough about what I wanted out of this one.

    So, I wonder... Is This Tropable?
  • January 5, 2012
    samuraiweasel
    Discworld has its desert that people have to cross after they die. Except for those afflicted by chronic reincarnation.
  • January 5, 2012
    dalek955
    What are the Underwhere and Overthere like? I've never played the game.
  • January 6, 2012
    Akamia
    The Underwhere appears to be very swampy, just barely resembling Tartarus as depicted in Xena Warrior Princess. The Overthere is basically buildings and angelic "Nimbis" on clouds.
  • January 6, 2012
    Arivne
    Tabletop RPG
    • Dungeons And Dragons Outer Planes. Sentient creatures went there after they died, with the specific destination depending on their Character Alignment.
      • 1st Edition: Twin Paradises, Elysium, Happy Hunting Grounds, Olympus, Gladsheim, Limbo, Pandemonium, the Abyss, Tarterus, Hades, Gehenna, Acheron, Nirvana, Arcadia and Concordant Opposition.
      • The 2nd Edition Planescape setting changed the names of some of the Outer Planes: Twin Paradises -> Bytopia, Happy Hunting Grounds -> The Beastlands, Olympus -> Arborea, Gladsheim -> Ysgard, Tarterus -> Carceri, Hades -> The Grey Waste, Nirvana -> Mechanus and Concordant Opposition -> The Outlands. It also changed the names of the Nine Hells and Seven Heavens to Baator and Mount Celestia respectively, which would put them under this trope.
  • January 7, 2012
    TTurtle
    Note that we were also working on a trope for purgatory, although it seems to be have been abandoned by its sponsor. I don't know if that's relevant or not.
  • January 7, 2012
    GreatHylianKing
    I'm wondering if "MU" from Death Note would fit here?
  • January 9, 2012
    aurora369
    The Elder Scrolls series doesn't usually explicitly state who goes to which afterlife, but the main afterlife in this universe is Aetherius (where the notably distinct Nordic afterlife, Sovngarde, is also located). It is also mentioned that werewolves get to Hircine's Hunting Grounds after they die.
  • January 9, 2012
    69BookWorM69
    @ TTurtle I'm not sure this was the reason this was abandoned, but there were lengthy discussions (and some complaints) about the use and "misuse" of the Catholic concept of Purgatory in that discussion. One would think the Vatican had a patent or a copyright on the concept from the tone of some of the comments. Then again, nobody could settle on an alternate name (thus avoiding the P-word and its kin Limbo), and I don't understand what happened after that.
  • January 9, 2012
    ParadiscaCorbasi
    • Defending Your Life had an all white expansive area that wasn't heaven as such. It was a waiting area for one to figure out if they were going on to heaven or being sent back to earth reincardnated.
    • Ghost Story features a ghostly Chicago as a neither heaven nor hell afterlife spot.
  • January 9, 2012
    Gatchaman432
    A rather ambiguous and interesting one in Harry Potter And The Deathly Hallows. After Harry lets Voldemort kill him to destroy the Horcrux within him, he "awakens" to find himself within a brilliantly lit, almost white room that bears a striking similarity to King's Cross station. Underneath a bench is Voldemort, fetus-like,gasping for air, burned to the point that his muscles and bone are exposed. Dumbledore enters, dressed in a white robe and bathed in a bright light. It is then that the two (Harry and Dumbledore) have a conversation that includes Snape's Patronus resembling Lily's and the night Dumbledore died. Whenever Harry tried to ask Dumbledore where they were, Dumbledore, with a possible twinge of snark in his voice, answers "It appears as though we're at King's Cross." When he asked if he was dead, Dumbledore gave a variant of "No, You're Not."
  • January 9, 2012
    Dawnwing
    Literature:
    • In the Warrior Cats series, good Clan cats go to StarClan, while evil ones wind up in the Dark Forest. The Tribe of Rushing Water's good cats go to the Tribe of Endless Hunting. Word Of God has said that there's probably an afterlife for kittypets as well, and perhaps other cats who have never been in a Clan.
  • January 10, 2012
    randomsurfer
    Would Went To The Great X In The Sky fit somewhere? Also the "happy hunting ground" that many Indians in fiction are said to go to, or want to go to.
  • January 10, 2012
    SharleeD
    There was a Dragon article about Limbo, the realm of ghosts and lost souls to which all the dead of Classic D&D's Mystara game-setting are consigned for a time. (Not to be confused with the Great Wheel's Limbo, which was AD&D's Chaotic Neutral afterlife.)
  • January 10, 2012
    Gatchaman432
  • January 11, 2012
    Akamia
    Alright, I don't know how I would move all these examples into the YKTTW... I'll have to do it when I have more time. I've been busy lately.
  • January 11, 2012
    JobanGrayskull
  • January 11, 2012
    Tropez
    Ashes to Ashes was basically set in an after world although the audience was not made aware of that until the final episode.
  • March 4, 2012
    CrystalBlue
    Bump
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