Created By: Unknown Troper on October 11, 2007
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Is it just me or do most writers seem to think militant feminism is more common that it actually is and confuse feminism with misandry, which are two completely different things? I can think of Seranoia(sp?) from Ying! Yang! Yo! and Femme Fatale in an episode of The Powerpuff Girls, PPG has her more explicitly contrasted by Sara Bellum and Miss Keane, but I don't think Seranoia is as obiviously contrasted.
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  • October 11, 2007
    Micah
    The phrase I've generally seen used for this is Straw Feminist.
  • October 11, 2007
    etrangere
    I like Faux Feminist.

    And boy, is this trope overused.
  • October 11, 2007
    RobertBingham
    Faux Feminist works for me. A lot less inflammatory than Feminazi and gets the point across better.
  • October 11, 2007
    FastEddie
    Feminazi doesn't quite work, because it leaves the issue muddled. There are women in fiction who just hate men (maybe more than in the real world population or maybe not, doesn't matter). They don't have to be feminists. Sometimes they are. A person doesn't have to hate men to be feminist.

    An article on Man Hater and one on Militant Feminist, with something in each referring to other for clarification might get the notion across.
  • October 11, 2007
    FastEddie
    Cool point, Sci Vo. Faux Feminist, maybe.
  • October 11, 2007
    SciVo
    It's not limited to women, and there's actually some Truth In Television to it in the sense that misogynists tend to pose as if they're just against misandrism, same as misandrists generally claim to be feminists. In fact, it's not just sexism. Bigots of all stripes are rarely willing to openly name themselves as such, and instead emphasize their socially-acceptable opposition to the opposite prejudice.

    It's no wonder that writers sometimes seem confused! Society is confused, and that's justified too, because there are people who are being purposely confusing out of self-interest.
  • October 11, 2007
    Unknown Troper
    This isn't going to lead to controversy...
  • October 11, 2007
    RobertBingham
    Couldn't have put it better myself, Sci Vo.

    As for Man Hater, I believe that's related to Does Not Like Men.
  • October 11, 2007
    adam850
    An example: Peter in Family Guy actually becomes a militant feminist for a while. Until he sees a cat fight.
  • October 11, 2007
    ShayGuy
    Which brings us to the supertrope Strawman Political. Hmm... Straw Woman Feminist, maybe?
  • October 12, 2007
    WilliamWideWeb
    The person who came up with Feminazi was raving loon Rush Limbaugh. I think Straw Feminist is better than Strawwoman Feminist because the former looks better.
  • October 12, 2007
    Unknown Troper
    I like Faux Feminist and Strawwoman Feminist myself. I don't like Feminazi as it is a term which is kind of offensive and I believe the person who came up with it was anti-real-feminism.
  • October 12, 2007
    RobertBingham
    Straw Feminist it is then.
  • October 13, 2007
    Ununnilium
    Strawwoman Feminist is better because of the slight awkwardness, though. It reflects the trope better.
  • October 13, 2007
    Snake712
    Straw Feminist is better then Strawwoman Feminist because it's less awkward. It's not a very awkward trope, so I don't see why you think the awkwardness helps.
  • October 11, 2007
    Unknown Troper
    I does tend to be the case a lot of times. Even Jessie Spano from Saved By The Bell was portrayed as being a little extreme, at times.
  • October 11, 2007
    ShayGuy
    I'm thinking of a webcomic that starts with "El" and ends with "Shive"...

    Actually, I think Susan herself confused feminism with misandry. And wouldn't you know it, Firefox's spell check doesn't know what "misandry" is.
  • October 11, 2007
    Kayube
    I'm thinking of a webcomic that starts with "El" and ends with "Shive"...

    Ooh! Ooh! Is it your credit score?
  • October 11, 2007
    RobertBingham
    Feminazis? That's usually the term used for the militant feminists (and sometimes used unfairly to describe actual feminists).
  • October 14, 2007
    Unknown Troper
    Not in support, really, but I can see where 110 is coming from here: there is a tendency for militant social movements to become paranoid about language which enshrines concepts inimical to that social movement, and then invert them: In this case, "Strawwoman" is meant to be a "correction" of the politically-incorrect "Strawman". Which actually is self-defeating in practice, so you can argue either way whether this exemplifies or subverts the trope, but I think the original point was an insistence on inelegant, awkward language for the sake of drawing attention to the substitution.
  • October 14, 2007
    FastEddie
    Great. Now I get to come up with an insult for a real-life Mary Sue.

    How do I always get the crappy jobs? No. Really.
  • October 14, 2007
    BluetoothThePirate
    Alright, alright, you win. Turn launch keys in 3, 2, 1.5...
  • October 14, 2007
    Janitor
    (Thanks, Uni!)

    Eddie, I think we should just swap insults here until someone launches it.
  • October 14, 2007
    Pisthetairos
    Are the Cirinists (from Cerebus) going to be mentioned? They aren't really feminists, but it was pretty obvious Sim was a Writer On Board comparing them to real feminists.
  • October 14, 2007
    FastEddie
    Is anybody going to launch this? If left to me, it will be in Curnoack, with two fart jokes.
  • October 14, 2007
    Ununnilium
    "but I think the original point was an insistence on inelegant, awkward language for the sake of drawing attention to the substitution." Exactly what I meant.

    Shillelagh? I think that's how you spell it.
  • October 14, 2007
    FastEddie
    I hereby denounce all these calumnies and protestations of inebriation. Categorically and entirely, upon each point and every argument. I am (sorta, kinda) innocent! (if you squint at it just right).
  • October 14, 2007
    Janitor
    Because you are making the kind of sense that ... isn't. Have some coffee, boy, or I'll be upside your head with me shi...

    Damn. Can't remember the word for that Irish cudgel-thingy. Never mind. Have fear of my wrath!
  • October 14, 2007
    Janitor
    Eddie, are you drunk?
  • October 14, 2007
    FastEddie
    No more so than usually, my Asian cherry blossom. Why would you inquire so?
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