Created By: DragonQuestZ on July 7, 2013 Last Edited By: DragonQuestZ on August 16, 2013
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Evil Wears Black

Bad guys wear the color black (I swear we don't have this yet).

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I've checked, and we don't have this yet. Other tropes are close, but are not specifically this. And before anyone thinks this is too common, No Trope Is Too Common.

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Black is perhaps the most typical color for evil, or at least the antagonists, to wear. Thus in many stories, the villains will wear largely black clothing most of the time, in contrast to the colors worn by neutral and good characters (which will be at least moderately lighter).

This is because in many cultures, black is the color of darkness, decay, and death. Thus even though wearing black doesn't make someone evil, being evil makes it more than likely one is going to wear black.

It doesn't matter if it's all the villains, the Big Bad and a few others, or just a group of Mooks that appear for a few episodes, if they wear a large amount of black (even just one noticeable part of their clothing), you know it's this trope. This is also why black is a common color for an Evil Costume Switch.

Heck, some Eviler Than Thou villains might wear black when the "lesser" evils don't.

There's some science behind this. There are studies that show that people that wear black are more aggressive than people who don't. They've also found that black isn't only associated with evil, but also contamination and sickness. These associations give people an instinctive cue that the person wearing black is dominant, and somebody you don't want to mess with.

Now since some think Evil Is Cool, then black can also become a cool color, but those don't cover this trope, nor does this trope come into play if the heroes also wear black. This can come into play with a Villain Protagonist though.

Trope Relations

A Sub-Trope of Good Colors, Evil Colors, Dark Is Evil (since dark is usually shown as black), Dress-Coded for Your Convenience (since this is about clothing color).

A Super Trope to Black Knight (as wearing black armor is part of the trope), Black Cloak, Woman in Black.

A Sister Trope to Dark Is Evil, Red and Black and Evil All Over (which often involves clothing), Paint It Black (which isn't limited to this color), Black Eyes of Evil.

Compare Purple Is the New Black, Evil Costume Switch.

Contrast Little Black Dress (wearing black is stylish instead of evil), Movie Superheroes Wear Black (because they are still heroes), Dark Is Not Evil, Gold and White Are Divine.

No Real Life Examples, Please!.

Examples

Anime and Manga
  • Zig-Zagged in Lyrical Nanoha: in the original incarnation of the series, Chrono Harlaown was the bad guy and wore black clothes with Spikes of Doom. As the concept of the series evolved, Chrono became an interdimensional law officer but kept his black attire, which was instead retrofitted as the uniform of the Enforcers, top-ranked dimensional police. Fate Testarossa took Chrono's place as the main character's rival and resident Dark Magical Girl and also wore black from the onset, but the series went the Dark Is Not Evil route, and Fate turned out to be the most Lawful Good character in the show, while still wearing mostly black because it suited her--and because she eventually rose up to join the ranks of the Enforcers, just like Chrono.
  • Princess Tutu has Princess Krehe as a nemesis, who wears a black dress opposing Tutu's white dress, although she is a Dark Magical Girl, with the typical Heel–Face Turn.

Comic Books
  • Winnowill from ElfQuest wears a black dress (trimmed with white fur) most of the time in her initial appearances and tops that off by having long, black hair. Even the warning nickname later given to her, "The Black Snake", contains the color and her harmful magic is referred to as "Black Sending".
  • Black Adam, Shazam's archenemy, predominantly wears a black and yellow uniform.

Film - Animated

Film - Live Action
  • Conan the Barbarian and Conan the Destroyer, all villains are fond of black leather armour.
  • In the Dracula adaptation starring Bela Lugosi, his black Ominous Opera Cape with a High Collar of Doom became iconic of villains and the Classical Movie Vampire.
  • In The Great Race, Professor Fate and Max wear black (and their car is also black). Although this is a comedy, they are still the villains.
  • The Cobra Kai members who bully The Karate Kid wear black martial arts uniforms.
  • Kung Fu Hustle: The Axe Gang wears stylish black suits.
  • Xur in The Last Starfighter wears black, in contrast to his father and the other Rylians, whom he betrayed, wearing white.
  • Red Sonja: The villain's army wears black armour, complete with Spikesof Villainy.
  • In a typical Spaghetti Western, the villains wear black hats.
  • The Sith in Star Wars wear black cloaks, and Darth Vader wears all black. The "good" Jedi prefer brown robes and white tunics.
  • In Superman II, the Terrible Trio of Ursa, Non, and General Zod all wore black, contrasting with the white of other Kryptonians, and Superman's Primary-Color Champion outfit.
  • Willow: All of Bavmorda's men wear black armour. General Kael complements his with a scary bone mask.
  • In all Winnetou film-of-the-book movies. Winnetou wears beige clothes with blue ornaments and Old Shatterhand wears light brown clothes. All the bandits wear very dark clothes, and one item is usually black, be it a hat, trousers or a shirt. The main antagonist tends to have a completely black outfit in each part of the movie series, though perhaps not for all his scenes. In Winnetou I, Old Shatterhand and Winnetou are not friends yet and Old Shatterhand has to fight with the Apaches. He wears a sky blue shirt, and his friends sport bright colours as well. It was crystal clear he's a good guy, and not only because it's a prequal to Treasure of Silver Lake and everybody in Germany and Eastern Europe knows that those two pals are Heterosexual Life-Partners.
  • In The Wizard of Oz the Wicked Witch of the West wears black. This is in contrast to Glinda the "good" witch we meet who wears pink.
  • In the comedy The Villain, the eponymous villain wears black.

Literature
  • In Shadows of Freedom, one (solarian) character is somewhat amused by the tendency of repressive dictatorships to outfit their jackbooted thugs in all black uniforms. This is also a bit of Hypocritical Humor, since the Solarian League's own jackbooted enforcers, the Gendarmerie, wear black uniforms too.

Live Action Television
  • Faith and many of the vampires in Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
    • When Xander and Willow become vampires in Wish!verse, they wear black leather. When the real Willow pretends to be vampire!Willow she steals the latter's black clothes.
  • Doctor Who Classic: the Master as portrayed by Roger Delgado and Anthony Ainsley wear all-black unless he's in disguise.
  • The Peacekeepers from Farscape wear black armour or uniform. The villain Scorpius is dressed all in black, as well.
  • Ares from Hercules: The Legendary Journeys favors a black leather get-up. Similarly, any and all servants of Hera are most likely wearing black leather and skull-motif armor.
  • Rufus in House of Anubis wears the same black coat, black turtle neck and black pants in virtually all his appearances.
  • From Once Upon a Time: Black features prominently in the Evil Queen's wardrobe. After her Storybrooke counterpart Regina tries to redeem herself to its citizens, this is reflected in her wardrobe changes: she wears more gray shades and more color.

Music
  • While he didn't always wear black, Doctor Steel did on occasion wear a black PVC outfit with top hat and cape.

Tabletop Games
  • Warhammer 40,000 has the Black Legion, arguably the most powerful and evil Chaos Space Marine Legion whose color of choice is written on their name.

Video Games
  • Some of the playable characters in Death Smiles are, or used to be, evil, such as Casper and Sakura, who both wear black outfits.
  • Fallout 3, the evil mercenary armies of Talon Company wear a custom variant of Combat Armor painted black.
  • Final Fantasy IV Golbez wears variable dark blue or black armor Depending on the Artist.
  • In Final Fantasy VII, Sephiroth wears a black outfit with steel touches.
  • Final Fantasy IX, Evil Overlord Garland wears a futuristic suit of black armor with matching cape.
  • Kingdom Hearts, Master Xehanort's clothing is primarily black and grey, while the members of the Organization wear black cloaks.
  • Pokémon, Team Rocket's members wear black with red "R" emblems, while Giovanni is depicted in the games wearing black suits. In the anime he wore orange at first, but switched to black in Best Wishes when he and Team Rocket became major antagonists again.
    • James and Jessie, two of the main antagonists of the anime adaptation, wore white uniforms and were mostly used as comical relief in the seasons before Best Wishes season. In that season, they get noticeably more competent and evil, and of course, they switch to black clothing. When they switched back to their regular white-and-red uniforms, they get noticeably less competent.
  • Albert Wesker from Resident Evil, while not this trope normally, starts embracing it in the fifth installment - with a longcoat made of pure black leather, as well as black inner getups, gloves and boots. The only thing that isn't black would be his hair and his eyes.
  • In Street Fighter, Akuma by default wears either a black or dark purple gi. When Ryu becomes Evil Ryu, he's also depicted with a black gi (which becomes tattered in the fourth installment). M. Bison also wears a black cloak over his red outfit, although he tosses it off when the matches begin.

Web Comics
  • Richard of Looking for Group is one of the protagonists, but he's also an undead sorcerer who actually needs to do evil acts to maintain his powers. He wears a black robe and hood.

Western Animation
Community Feedback Replies: 146
  • July 7, 2013
    tachyonTrail
    Add to the examples list every Spaghetti Western ever; all the villains wear black hats.

    I for one have looked and could not find this. Dark Is Evil does imply black, as black is normally dark, but it doesn't specify that dark must be black. Therefore I'd say, for the sake of technical completeness, this trope ought to get its own page.
  • July 7, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    • Nightmare Moon had a dark off-black coat. It seems to be a side affect of her possessing a host as Luna had a dark blue coat (which is a few shades light when the Elements of Harmony are used to free her from Nightmare Moon) and Rarity has a white/light gray coat.
  • July 7, 2013
    MrRuano
    • Warhammer 40000 has the Black Legion, arguably the most powerful and evil Chaos Space Marine Legion whose color of choice is written on their name.
      • Subverting this is the Black Templars and the Raven Guard, both loyalist Space Marine Chapters wearing Black Power Armor, though the former may skirt the line moreso than normal Space Marines, what with their fanatic crusading and systematic killing of any psykers without question.
      • Also subverting this example is Deathwatch, which also predominantly uses black in their armor color along with a chrome arm, but are not only elite loyalist Space Marines from almost every chapter ever made, but also a chamber militant of the Inquisition, tasked with primarily killing aliens for the Imperium.
    • DCUniverse has an obvious example in Black Adam, Shazam's archenemy, who predominantly wears a black and yellow uniform.
  • July 7, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^^ Is that wearing black? Or should I just expand this?
  • July 7, 2013
    tachyonTrail
    If your intent's to limit it to just costumes, stick to Evil Wears Black. The name "the Black Legion" is an example of Names To Run Away From Really Fast, but their black armor is a form of uniform to be worn.

    That's the distinction, I'd say.
  • July 7, 2013
    Koveras
    • Zig Zagged in Lyrical Nanoha: in the original incarnation of the series, Chrono Harlaown was the bad guy and wore black clothes with Spikes Of Doom. As the concept of the series evolved, Chrono became an interdimensional law officer but kept his black attire, which was instead retrofitted as the uniform of the Enforcers, top-ranked dimensional police. Fate Testarossa took Chrono's place as the main character's rival and resident Dark Magical Girl and also wore black from the onset, but the series went the Dark Is Not Evil route, and Fate turned out to be the most Lawful Good character in the show, while still wearing mostly black because it suited her--and because she eventually rose up to join the ranks of the Enforcers, just like Chrono.
  • July 7, 2013
    Chabal2
    • The Assassins of Discworld always wear black (if you're going to kill someone, might as well be stylish). Lord Vetinari, a former Assassin, wears black as everyday clothing, but when he needs to sneak around at night wears dark green.
    • Ninjas in every move containing them.
  • July 8, 2013
    OlafMerchant
    I'm somewhat amazed we don't have the ubiquitous 'villains wear black'. *Cracks knuckles* Lessee...There's probably a hundred sports movies where the opponent or opposing team wear black uniforms, but I can't name any off the top of my skullbox. Other examples, then...

    Live Action Television

    • Ares from Hercules The Legendary Journeys favors a black leather get-up. Similarly, any and all servants of Hera are most likely wearing black leather and skull-motif armor.
    • The Peacekeepers from Farscape wear black armour or uniform. The villain Scorpius is dressed all in black, as well.

    Films
    • Conan The Barbarian and Conan The Destroyer, all villains are fond of black leather armour.
    • Krull: The alien invaders wear all-black encounter suits.
    • Kung Fu Hustle: The Axe Gang wears stylish black suits.
    • Red Sonja: The villain's army wears black armour, complete with Spikesof Villainy.
    • Willow: All of Bavmorda's men wear black armour. General Kael complements his with a scary bone mask.

    Western Animation
  • July 8, 2013
    Melkior
    Comic Books:
    • Winnowill from ElfQuest wears a black dress (albeit trimmed with white fur) most of the time in her initial appearances and tops that off by having long, black hair. Even the warning nickname later given to her, "The Black Snake", contains the color and her harmful magic is referred to as "Black Sending".
  • July 8, 2013
    DAN004
    • Albert Wesker from Resident Evil, while not this trope normally, starts embracing it in the fifth installment - with a longcoat made of pure black leather, as well as black inner getups, gloves and boots. The only thing that isn't black would be his hair and his eyes.
  • July 8, 2013
    MattStriker
    • In Shadows of Freedom, one (solarian) character is somewhat amused by the tendency of repressive dictatorships to outfit their jackbooted thugs in all black uniforms. This is also a bit of Hypocritical Humor, since the Solarian League's own jackbooted enforcers, the Gendarmerie, wear black uniforms too.

    Also, if we'll take Real Life examples: The SS, which is probably the template for all those scary black uniformed State Sec types found in contemporary fiction.
  • July 8, 2013
    dragonquestz
    Did some Rolling Updates. But I cut out the lines claiming a subversion, as they don't look like they are pulling a bait and switch, just an aversion.

    Also, No Real Life Examples for evil tropes. It's just asking for trouble.
  • July 8, 2013
    CaptainPeregrin
    To add to the Princess Tutu example:

  • July 8, 2013
    JonnyB
    • In The Villain, guess what color the villain wears?

    • In The Great Race, Professor Fate and Max wear black (and their car is also black).

    • While he didn't always wear black, Doctor Steel did on occasion wear a black PVC outfit with top hat and cape.

    • Snidely Whiplash wore a black top hat and cape in Dudley Do Right.
  • July 8, 2013
    acrobox
    No Trope Is Too Common yes, but do you think examples should be limited to more notable examples in terms of genre defining/marking origins such as black hats from Spaghetti Westerns, or should it just be open season.

    Just about every Bad Guy I can think of wears Black or at least extremely desaturated colors except for notable aversions.
  • July 8, 2013
    arromdee
    I think this is covered bt Dark Is Evil. Yeah, black and dark aren't the same thing, but that's a pretty small difference.
  • July 8, 2013
    Saendra
    ^ Second this.
  • July 8, 2013
    dragonquestz
    ^^ Not being the same thing still is not the same thing. Plus that trope is broader than just colors of clothing.
  • July 8, 2013
    acrobox
    agree with dragonquestz. rooted in the same but Dark Is Evil is about darkness either symbolically or in terms of Casting A Shadow or otherwise "Dark" Magic.

    This is about strictly about Black in terms of costume and character design.

    Sister Tropes but definitely distinct.
  • July 8, 2013
    dragonquestz
    It's like the difference between heat and fire. Heat causes one, but it's not the same thing.
  • July 8, 2013
    DAN004
    • Blackbeard from One Piece, the Big Bad of the series. Of the other Captain Colorbeards in the series, Whitebeard is a pretty nice guy (as nice as pirates could be, anyway), and Brownbeard is just a small fish with bloated ego (who then turned for the better).
  • July 8, 2013
    Exxolon
    While calling them "evil" might be a stretch, the Cobra Kai members who bully The Karate Kid wear black martial arts uniforms.
  • July 8, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ If others agree, it could count as them being the antagonists.
  • July 8, 2013
    xanderiskander
    ^I'd agree with that. Antagonists should count too IMO.
  • July 8, 2013
    DrakeClawfang
    • Kingdom Hearts, Master Xehanort's clothing is primarily black and grey, while the members of the Organization wear black cloaks, and Maleficent wears a black and purple robe.
    • Final Fantasy IV Golbez wears variable dark blue or black armor Depending On The Artist.
    • Final Fantasy IX, Evil Overlord Garland wears a futuristic suit of black armor with matching cape.
    • Fallout 3, the evil mercenary armies of Talon Company wear a custom variant of Combat Armor painted black.
    • Pokemon, Team Rocket's members wear black with red "R" emblems, while Giovanni is depicted in the games wearing black suits. In the anime he wore orange at first, but switched to black in Best Wishes when he and Team Rocket became major antagonists again.
  • July 8, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    Maleficent is already noted in her movie, so that's redundant for any other media.
  • July 9, 2013
    DAN004
    • In Street Fighter, Akuma by default wears either a black or dark purple gi. When Ryu becomes Evil Ryu, he's also depicted with a black gi (which becomes tattered in the fourth installment).
  • July 9, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    By the way, should we also have a trope for antagonists wearing red? We don't seem to have that either.
  • July 9, 2013
    1810072342
    Compare Hell Bent For Leather, which is often black anyway. Possibly a Sister Trope? Please specify the difference between this and Dark Is Evil in the description though.

    • Video Games: Albert Wesker from Resident Evil wears an all-black outfit, complete with trenchcoat and sunglasses (which, naturally, are also black).
  • July 9, 2013
    randomsurfer
    Doctor Who Classic: the Master as portrayed by Roger Delgado and Anthony Ainsley wear all-black unless he's in disguise.
  • July 9, 2013
    DrakeClawfang
    a note, make the Fallout 3 example a sub-heading under this example, please:

  • July 9, 2013
    dragonquestz
    ^ Does the new vegas group make you think they will be evil first? If so, then yes it's a subversion. If not, it's an aversion.
  • July 9, 2013
    DrakeClawfang
    In Fallout 2 and Fallout 3 the Enclave are the main antagonists, and in New Vegas (which takes place close to the geographical locations of 2), they're thought to have been wiped out and the few that are still around are in hiding, so most everyone in-universe sees them as evil, as will the player most likely.
  • July 9, 2013
    Speedchesser
    I don't know. We have a ton of tropes like this already. It might have potential, but it doesn't stand out enough in my opinion. I mean, we already have at least six tropes that examples of this could fall under, so I think we either need to make this a supertrope or we need to make it stand out more.
  • July 9, 2013
    acrobox
    ^^^^^^ Antagonists wearing Red isn't that much of a trope in my opinion. There's definitely correlation but Red is more representative of aggression or power rather than outright evil.

    besides we already have Red Is Heroic
  • July 9, 2013
    acrobox
    also is there a difference between Dragon Quest Z and dragonquestz
  • July 10, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^^^ It's what we call a Missing Supertrope. I've already looked if one of those other tropes do cover this, and I would not have put this up if it was covered by one.

    ^^ It's not about what the color represents most often. It's whether it's done to represent evil enough times.

    ^ That doesn't make any sense. Spaces between letters is not comparable to physical concepts. Heat makes fire, but heat is not automatically fire.
  • July 10, 2013
    acrobox
    i meant sometimes your name appears with capitals and sometimes it doesnt. i was wondering if you had two accounts. totally unrelated to the conversation. sorry.

    Thing about red is that i feel like tropes should be more about causation than correlation. Red doesn't show evil, it shows aggression. Evil characters are sometimes aggressive and therefore wear red. Also off topic since this thread is about the color black. Evil characters have a tendency to wear black regardless of Emotion Vs Stoicism or Elemental Powers.
  • July 10, 2013
    samitv
    Can't believe this doesn't exist yet. Ok so here's one

    • Faith and many of the vampires in [[series/Buffy]].
      • When Xander and Willow become vampires in Wish!verse, they wear black leather. When the real Willow pretends to be vampire!Willow she steals the latter's black clothes.
  • July 10, 2013
    dragonquestz
    ^^ 1. Okay. It depends on how I enter my login. The system takes both.

    2. As for red, it's not about what the color should be for. It's about what works choose to have the color represent. Some have it represent good guys, see Red Is Heroic, but some have it represent evil, see Big Red Devil.
  • July 10, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    Any picture suggestions?
  • July 10, 2013
    TheTitan99
    The obvious picture would be Darth Vader. It just depends if you want to be more obscure or not.

    Anyway, my example.

  • July 10, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ An obvious example. It's still borderline Fan Myopia to assume it's "the" obvious one, no matter how well known Star Wars is.

    Although that's admittedly from me seeing too many ymmv comments passed as fact on this wiki.
  • July 10, 2013
    TheTitan99
    Fine, then.

    AN obvious picture would be Darth Vader. It just depends if you want to be more obscure or not.
  • July 11, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    ^ Meh, Vader is already the page picture for The Dragon. I think we should use this one, with a caption:

    "Even when they're Built With Lego you can still say who's the bad one."
  • July 11, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    Live Action Film: In The Wizard Of Oz the Wicked Witch of the West wears black. This is in contrast to Glinda the "good" witch we meet who wears pink.
  • July 11, 2013
    dragonquestz
    ^^^ It's not about obscurity of the example. It's about how well a trope is shown in a picture. Even if you never heard of Liberache, you can see in the Pimped Out Cape picture that he is wearing a really fancy cape.

    ^^ On that note, we could also use pictures from old westerns that followed this trope.
  • July 11, 2013
    Koveras
    Just launch it already.
  • July 11, 2013
    dragonquestz
    It only just got the full hats. And I'd like a good picture to launch this with.
  • July 11, 2013
    TheTitan99
    I was kind of in a bad mood when I posted last, so sorry for being a bit rude.

    Anyway, I'm not sure on what pictures are allowed on Tv Tropes (Any legal requirement I don't know of), but these pictures could possibly fit:

    ZigZag Maleficent Emperor Palpatine Wicked Witch of the West
  • July 11, 2013
    JonnyB
    Several examples still in the thread that haven't been added to the trope; add before launch.
  • July 11, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    ^^ You can read about the image picking policy here: How To Pick A Good Image.
  • July 11, 2013
    dragonquestz
    ^^ Well I was a bit rude as well, so I'm also sorry.

    ^ I will likely launch it this weekend, if we agree on a picture soon.
  • July 11, 2013
    MattStriker
    ^^^^ Suggestion: Combine all 4 into one pic, add caption 'they all shop at the same tailor' or something like that :P.
  • July 11, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    Another good caption would be: "Evil is the new black." (Combined with a picture of some Obviously Evil character wearing black, of course.)
  • July 11, 2013
    centersolaCE
    This is just another example of Dark Is Evil. Not really a new trope. :/
  • July 11, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    Dark is not the same thing as black. It can cause black, but that isn't the same as a color.
  • July 12, 2013
    dspeyer
    Make sure to add it to the Costume Tropes index.

    Also, from The Truth
    • They wore black, but that didn't mean anything. Anyone could wear black.

  • July 12, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    ^ Zero Context Example. Who wore black?

    EDIT: Or was that supposed to be related to the earlier Discworld example?
  • July 12, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ 1. Yes, Costume Tropes, Tropes In Black, Villainous Fashion Sense, Obviously Evil, Good And Evil For Your Convenience, and any others I missed.

    2. That would count as a proper subversion, since there is a bait and switch in the middle of the sentence, but please format that example properly. Then I'll put it up.
  • July 12, 2013
    Synchronicity
    • From Once Upon A Time: Black features prominently in the Evil Queen's wardrobe. After her Storybrooke counterpart Regina tries to redeem herself to its citizens, this is reflected in her wardrobe changes: she wears more gray shades and more color.
  • July 13, 2013
    KeithTyler
    Inverted with Zorro and Batman?

    Does it have a converse of Good Guys Wear White?
  • July 13, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ 1. I wouldn't say that's inverted, as superheroes have worn black for a long time. An inversion would be if the good guys wore black and the bad guys wore "good" colors.

    2. Yes, that should also be a trope.
  • July 13, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    Now a collage would make a good picture. I can make one either tonight or tomorrow, and if others like it, we can launch.

    EDIT: An alternative could be a group picture of Organization XIII from Kingdom Hearts. This is one.
  • July 14, 2013
    m8e
    I think just that image is used on an other trope page.

    Edit: Standard Evil Organization Squad
  • July 14, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ Then a collage it is.
  • July 14, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    Did this just lose two hats or...?
  • July 14, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    Removed a stray asterisk.
  • July 15, 2013
    DAN004
  • July 16, 2013
    peccantis
    I'd say Dark Is Evil is a supertrope, not sister. Also would like to elaborate that in Elf Quest, nearly all good and neutral characters wear a lot of colours and Winnowill and her underlings clearly stand out with their colourless scheme.
  • July 16, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^^ I want to make sure the question, of whether this should be split from Dark Is Evil, is properly resolved.
  • July 16, 2013
    DAN004
    ^ From what I can get from that trope, "Dark" can be clothing (this trope), superpower (Casting A Shadow or Bad Powers Bad People), or a race (The Heartless, Demonic Invaders, Always Chaotic Evil). So Dark Is Evil would become a supertrope.
  • July 19, 2013
    shoboni
    This IS Dark Is Evil and falls under The Same But More Specific. It's using darkness(in this case dark clothes) to show someone is evil. We don't need a sub-trope for that bland a variation.
  • July 19, 2013
    DAN004
    ^ But Dark Is Evil is broader than just that...
  • July 19, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    I haven't made a crowner in a while. Anyone feel like making one, and listing the pros and cons for this trope?
  • July 20, 2013
    Madrugada
    I would suggest that the definition be tightened upa bit, to make it clear that this isn't simply any bad guy who happens to wear some black once in a while.

    My proposal:

    " Evil Wears Black is in play when only the evil/villainous/badguys wear black consistently or completely, and the non-villainous character rarely wear it, or only wear small amounts of it. In other words, this trope is only for when black clothing is a clear marker that the character wearing it is 'evil', not for anytime someone who isn't spotlessly good happens to wear something black."
  • July 20, 2013
    IAmATropist
    Gru of the Despicable Me series wears black.
  • July 20, 2013
    XFllo
    I think this is tropeworthy on its own. I'll give my hat once the draft is ready. Most examples could use more context.
  • July 20, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^^^, ^ I agree on both. I'm busy today, but tomorrow, I can fix the description and work on example context.
  • July 20, 2013
    shoboni
    Yes, it is broader than that's why I linked The Same But More Specific, you're wanting to make Dark Is Evil, but with more limitations. The rules says sub-tropes should be a notable and interesting variant, this isn't.
  • July 20, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ That comes across as an opinion, if you're just going to keep stating that, without backing it up.

    EDIT: BTW, that in response to both the above post and other posts the user made on "ask the tropers", not just this ykttw alone.
  • July 21, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    Okay, I tweaked the description to fit Mad's suggestions. I'm working on the examples now.

    EDIT: And took out examples where not enough black was worn, or the contrast with the good guys wasn't there.
  • July 22, 2013
    shoboni
    What is there to back up? I've told you this along with a couple other people(one of which was Heap). It's not a notable/interesting enough variant of it to sub-trope.
  • July 22, 2013
    xanderiskander
    for the description?:

    There's some science behind this. There are studies that show that people that wear black are more aggressive than people who don't. They've also found that black isn't only associated with evil, but also contamination and sickness. These associations give people an instinctive cue that the person wearing black is dominant, and somebody you don't want to mess with.

    Similarly red is another color that science says people associate with "power" and "leadership", which would explain why Red And Black And Evil All Over is such a prominent trope.
  • July 22, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    ^^ Saying that "evil characters wear black" is not notable enough to become a trope of its own seems to me just absurd. It's probably the most common variant of Dark Is Evil, which is ridiculously broad as it is, which you can see simply from the fact that the description talks mostly about darkness as a substance rather than the color black.
  • July 22, 2013
    dragonquestz
    So does anyone else think a crowner would resolve this?
  • July 22, 2013
    xanderiskander
    ^I don't think that's necessary. I count at least four people who think this is trope worthy and only one against. Shoboni's argument holds no weight either. It's ridiculous to say that this is The Same But More when Dark Is Evil is already so much broader than this trope is. Red And Black And Evil All Over sets a premise for colors portraying evil. So it's really silly to say Evil Wears Black "isn't notable". Notability is also not what this wiki is about

    I think you should expand the description a bit to talk about why black is seen as evil (see my post above) and how it's different from Dark Is Evil. And maybe find a good image. But that's about it. And after that, gather some hats, and I think it would be ready for launch soon.
  • July 22, 2013
    shoboni
    Uh, try actually reading the thread in Ask The Tropers. There was AT LEAST three people counting me saying no, one of which was Heap.

    We don't need a page of villains that wear black, and if it's the most common usage it probably doesn't need a sub-trope.
  • July 22, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    Could you link to the actual discussion? I can't find it by searching. I still don't understand why this wouldn't be a trope. People wearing black happens in fiction. It's not People Sit In Chairs because its a deliberate storytelling archetype/characterization choice. As others have pointed out Dark Is Evil is a ridiculously broad trope and to a lesser extend so is Red And Black And Evil All Over. I mean if we went by that logic I could think of several indexes that wouldn't exist because the tropes they contain are "the same but more specific" to one really long overly broad trope. Plus one vote for this being trope worthy.
  • July 22, 2013
    xanderiskander
    ^^ Or it could be that it's the current most common usage because of Trope Decay. Because the description certainly doesn't go out of it's way to emphasize it's about wearing black clothes to represent evil. (beyond one mention of Good Colors Evil Colors). The description puts more emphasis on darkness as a concept, using shadow powers for evil, and having titles with the words "dark" or "shadow" in it.

    I'd also like to point out it's inversion Dark Is Not Evil is getting the exact opposite treatment. Most of the examples talk about people who use the power of darkness, and use of fear, and deception for good or Anti-heroism, with their dark appearance being an afterthought (if even mentioned). Which suggests to me Dark Is Evil is being misused.

    But if making this a subtrope is such a huge deal maybe Dark Is Evil could be separated into sections for "Dark colors are evil", "Powers of Darkness used for evil" and "Dark Titles" or something.
  • July 22, 2013
    shoboni
    There's no way to link to specific spots on Ask The Tropers, just use your browsers find function to look for "black" and it should be like the second use of the word on the page.
  • July 22, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    ^ Um....no offense or anything but all that came up was one other person question the distinction (not three, and they didn't have any argument or reasoning to back it to back it up, they just said "I personally doubt there's a distinction") your objections, someone pointing out your argument was baseless, Dragon Quest Z's rebuttals, and a mod telling you guys Ask The Tropers wasn't the place for the discussion. Can anyone back up that Shoboni's not alone in their argument. Because if not Just Launch It Already
  • July 22, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ I'd like to solidify the definition a bit more, then it should be ready.
  • July 22, 2013
    shoboni
    Then there was the guy towards the bottom that said it was a bad idea in no certain terms...

    And it was Dragon that said my arguements were baseless.
  • July 22, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ I didn't claim they were baseless, just that it was restating the same claims instead of backing up those claims or addressing counterarguments.

    It might not seem like much of a difference, but one is "you got nothing, so shut up", and the other is "if you have something, please show it, and I'll listen".
  • July 22, 2013
    DAN004
    @ xanderiskander: Which is my point already. :P
  • July 23, 2013
    shoboni
    And this thing loosing hats like water, so a lot of people must think it shouldn't go up, and there's three tags up there contesting it, none of which I added.
  • July 23, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    Okay fair enough, although the hats are probably the result of people being hesitant to launch a trope that has an ongoing discussion attached to it (remember it had five at one point). Could someone more versed in crowner starting than I start one so we can just get move on here (a thank you with a cherry on top in advance to whoever does it)?
  • July 23, 2013
    shoboni
    Look, how about this. We get a final yay/nay from a mod so we can put this debate to rest.
  • July 23, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    Wouldn't just make more since to have everyone vote in a crowner so if there are other objects they're heard?
  • July 23, 2013
    XFllo
    ^ BTW I suspect there might be a tech bug or worse, a troll, because many almost ready to go tropes lose hats and nobody ever explains why. This might be an exception because people at least write that they have issues with tropeability and that they think we have it already as a broader concept.

    ^^ shoboni, don't play the mod card. This can be resolved by consensus. Madrugada is a moderator and her post suggests she's on the yay side and isn't going to discard this proposal. However, she posted as a troper, not as a mod.
  • July 24, 2013
    DAN004
    So... can somebody launch this quickly?
  • July 24, 2013
    MattStriker
    I would, except I'm expecting it to be contested and cutlisted on grounds of 'not enough hats' within moments, and I don't have enough time for that kind of crap today :P.
  • July 24, 2013
    XFllo
    The OP and trope sponsor is active. Nobody should launch it but him unless he says it's Up For Grabs.
  • July 24, 2013
    Madrugada
    Shoboni: You've repeatedly stated your opinion that this is The same as Dark Is Evil,. But you have not addressed any of the questions people have asked about how you resolve the differences (Di E applying to not only clothing, but lighting conditions, surroundings, powers, and so on; and Dark being about "dark" which is not necessarily "Black")

    If you really want to ask for a mod ruling, I'll put on my mod hat and give you one. And as Xfllo speculated, it would be "This is a sufficiently well-established specific variant of the much broader Dark Is Evil to be a subtrope, and therefore a trope in its own right." Is that what you want?
  • July 24, 2013
    shoboni
    You know what, I'm done. I've backed up my argument repeatedly, that you want to make a page that's going to wind a mile long index for works where the villains wear black, even though that's like 80% of the works on this wiki. I'm just going to leave you guys to do whatever you want, since on one here seems to want to accept any arguments that disagree with them, or this trope, even though has three tags contesting it and has lost more hats than it's gained.

    Black clothes is a form of dark appearance, and I stand by that.
  • July 24, 2013
    dragonquestz
    " that you want to make a page that's going to wind a mile long index for works where the villains wear black"

    That's what we call a Seen It A Million Times tropes. There is nothing wrong with that, and never was.
  • July 24, 2013
    Nocturna
    Well, I tried to give this a hat, but it's refusing to take. (I'm going to post in tech wishlist about that.) So consider this a +1 hat vote.

    I think with the "contrast with the heroes bit" in there (i.e. excluding works where everyone wears black), this is a sufficiently distinct subtrope from Dark Is Evil to be separate.

    EDIT: It seems the hat took after all, just took its sweet time appearing.
  • July 24, 2013
    XFllo
    @shoboni: I happens that people disagree but there's no need to take it personally. You have every right to say you don't think it's tropeworthy. However, it occurred to me: if you think "evil characters wear black clothes" is so common that vast majority of works could be added on the list, wouldn't it really make sense to separate it so that Dark Is Evil is less stuffed? Because this way you can keep adding all dark attributes on the list, such as setting (houses, cars, outside at night), lightning, clothes... Anything.

  • July 25, 2013
    XFllo
    Film

    • Very noticeable in all Winnetou film-of-the-book movies. Winnetou wears beige clothes with blue ornaments and Old Shatterhand wears light brown clothes. All the bandits wear very dark clothes, and one item is usually black, be it a hat, trousers or a shirt. The main antagonist tends to have a completely black outfit in each part of the movie series, though perhaps not for all his scenes. In Winnetou I, Old Shatterhand and Winnetou are not friends yet and Old Shatterhand has to fight with the Apaches. He wears a sky blue shirt, and his friends sport bright colours as well. It was crystal clear he's a good guy, and not only because it's a prequal to Treasure of Silver Lake and everybody in Germany and Eastern Europe knows that those two pals are Heterosexual Life Partners.
  • July 25, 2013
    captainpat
    Make sure every example makes it clear the character is evil. Don't wanna encourage partial or zero context examples
  • July 25, 2013
    dragonquestz
    ^ Or at least the antagonists... or villain protagonist.
  • July 26, 2013
    xanderiskander
    By the way you should make this No Real Life Examples please once it's launched. It's against wiki policy for evil or villainous tropes to have real life examples.

    Also the description still needs a bit of work. And I don't think this is necessarily a super trope to Red Black And Evil All Over. I think they're actually distinct, and should be compared.
  • July 26, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ 1. I've already had that at the end of the description, since I first wrote this, although I can bold it to make it stand out more.

    2. You're right. It doesn't require clothing either. I'll fix it.
  • July 26, 2013
    Sibuna
    • Rufus in House of Anubis wears the same black coat, black turtle neck and black pants in virtually all his appearances.
  • July 26, 2013
    Poko907
    Adding on to the Pokemon example above:
    • James and Jessie, two of the main antagonists of the show, wore white uniforms and were mostly used as comical relief in the seasons leading up Best Wishes season. In the season, they get noticeably more competent and evil, and of course, they switch to black clothing. When they switched back to their regular white-and-red uniforms, they get noticeably less competent.
    Someone, please make this shorter. I'm not good at this sort of thing.
  • July 26, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ Actually it's fine (aside from minor grammar tweaking). You provided plenty of context.
  • July 27, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    So does the description look ready, or does it need more tweaking?
  • July 27, 2013
    JonnyB
    Outfit often includes a black glove.
  • July 27, 2013
    xanderiskander
    ^^If I were to nitpick I'd say add in that black is also a color of aggression, in addition to darkness, decay, and death. All the links to other tropes at the bottom could be merged into one or two paragraphs too so it doesn't look so wordy. Kind of hurts my eyes as is.

    Other than that the bulk of the description looks really good.

    Although I'd put the examples into folders since there's going to be a ton of examples.
  • July 27, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^^ That's more a general thing about villains and clothing, not actually about the color black.
  • July 27, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^^ 1. I though red was the color of aggression.

    2. I'm the opposite. I find putting those in paragraphs makes Walls Of Text, and it's hard to sort out where the "compare" and "contrast" parts start. The latter has caused mix-ups in descriptions.

    3. Folders will come after launching. They don't work in ykttw.
  • July 27, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    I put the relation list as a separate section. Is that easier for you to see?
  • July 27, 2013
    xanderiskander
    ^^They both are. Or at least studies say so. They found that black uniforms made people more aggressive.

    ^ Yeah that looks better. Before it just blended in with everything else.
  • July 27, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ But this is about why fiction uses the color.

    Although it could be a reason black might do this, but I'm not sure how it relates to the trope enough to note it.
  • July 27, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    Well if you can find links to the studies, I can note how they show this trope is more than just a cultural association.
  • July 27, 2013
    xanderiskander
    It's related to the trope, because it explains psychological reasons why it's a trope. How people interpret things in real life correlates with how it's used in fiction. Writers base their stories and the conventions used in them off of real life experiences, and audience reactions.

    I posted a link earlier in the thread. But here's a couple more here here and here
  • July 27, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ I know about the reasons (after thinking about it). Then I just wanted some info to back it up (something to put in a note).

    EDIT: Found your first paragraph. Added it to the description.
  • July 27, 2013
    DAN004
    Launch plz.
  • July 27, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    If no one has any further objection, I'll launch tomorrow.
  • July 28, 2013
    xanderiskander
    I'd at least try to get 5 hats first. You can edit the title with "hats?" to get some attention.
  • July 28, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    We could try to pick the page picture before launching...
  • July 28, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ Well that can also be decided in image picking.

    ^^ The hat system seems to be off. Some here have noted they tried to add hats, but the system didn't register.
  • July 28, 2013
    MattStriker
    This thing has had 5 hats at least twice already.
  • July 28, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    ^ yeah, I mean, that's got to count for something...
  • July 28, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    Yeah, I'm gonna launch this tonight.
  • July 28, 2013
    DAN004
    When I say "launch plz", at the time, it has 5 hats. What I meant is that you should launch immediately.
  • July 28, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ Really? For some reason it has none now. Is the system really that off?
  • July 28, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    Methinks a troll may be a foot....
  • July 28, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    Put that on "ask the tropers". I still plan to launch this soon, but it may or may not have to wait in case this helps spot a problem on the system.
  • July 28, 2013
    JusticeReaper
    Wouldn't this fall under Color Coded For Your Convenience?
  • July 28, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    ^ I guess it'd be a sub trope, or at least related to (not that this trope isn't related to a million other tropes already...).

    EDIT: just realized its already listed as being a sub trope of Dress Coded For Your Convenience which if I recall correctly is a subtrope of Color Coded For Your Convenience This thing really does have all the bases covered already.
  • July 28, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    No, Dress Coded For Your Convenience does not require colors. It's just this trope also has to do with clothing, so it fits under that.

    Where it does fit under Color Coded For Your Convenience is being a Sub Trope of Good Colors Evil Colors, which is a sub trope of the color coded trope.
  • July 29, 2013
    DAN004
    @ Dragon Quest Z: Yeah, I do believe some rascal did it to you. :P

    Let's just say that this trope is the "son" and relative and many other tropes (like many other other tropes) and be done with it. It's a common thing already.
  • July 29, 2013
    dragonquestz
    Okay, there is a thread about the hat issue already.

    So I can launch this in a few hours (have to take a class test first).
  • August 16, 2013
    erforce

Three days must pass before this YKTTW is Launchworthy or Discardable

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=i22xgue9d2vir01ex3ukq0w3&trope=EvilWearsBlack