Created By: Reecer6 on March 3, 2012 Last Edited By: Routerie on August 27, 2012

Bob and Alice Argument

2 characters argue about whose name goes first.

Name Space:
Main
Page Type:
Trope
Two characters are working together, and they think up a title for something involving both of their names. However, they are both very adamant about their name going first, despite the fact that there would be one word between them. Most of the time the situation is resolved off camera, and Status Quo causes the resolution to never be shown.

May result in a Misplaced-Names Poster in real life.

Examples

[[foldercontrol]]

[[folder:Live-Action TV]]
  • Happy Days: After Arnold's burns down, Al is about to retire and move back to Kenosha. Fonzie invests his life savings to help Al out to reopen Arnold's with a whole new look. There's a short fight about whether to name it Big Al's of Fonzie's. They compromise and call it Arnold's. Then they swabble over the sub-sign "X and Y, proprietors." Naturally each wants to go first.
[[/folder]]

[[folder:Real Life]]
  • Lennon and McCartney as the credited co-songwriters of all The Beatles songs that either of them wrote. Paul Mc Cartney was eventually talked into doing it in alphabetical order, but still has misgivings - especially for songs like "Yesterday" where Lennon had no involvment.
  • Roger Ebert and Gene Siskel's show was called Siskel and Ebert after Gene won a coin toss. It was supposed to switch to Ebert and Siskel after four seasons, but the name didn't change, although Ebert did get credited first.
[[/folder]]

[[/foldercontrol]]
Community Feedback Replies: 43
  • March 3, 2012
    BackwardThgindiM
    Cute idea, and a lot more often than people tend to think, but the name is WAY too ambiguous...
  • March 3, 2012
    BackwardThgindiM
    • common, not often
  • March 3, 2012
    NateTheGreat
    The entire reason why the M&M Company has it's name. No squabbling over Mars & Murrie versus Murrie & Mars.
  • March 3, 2012
    nman
    Alright, I am really sure this is the right movie, but if I am wrong, please correct me.
    • In the 1997 remake of That Darn Cat, two business owners place a banner across the street with their names on it, and the man whose name is second asks why his name is second, he replies "reverse alphabetical".
  • March 3, 2012
    SingingRain
    May result in a Misplaced Names Poster in real life.
  • March 3, 2012
    Reecer6
    Nman, not too sure that would count. Nate, I'm quite sure that only happened to shorten the name! Backward, would you suggest I put backwards the name of two famous people often mentioned together? Because that was what I was going for with Bob and Alice instead of the way we usually use it.
  • March 3, 2012
    randomsurfer
    • Happy Days: After Arnold's burns down, Al is about to retire and move back to Kenosha. Fonzie invests his life savings to help Al out to reopen Arnold's with a whole new look. There's a short fight about whether to name it Big Al's of Fonzie's. They compromise and call it Arnold's. Then they swabble over the sub-sign "X and Y, proprietors." Naturally each wants to go first.
    • Real Life: Lennon and McCartney as the credited co-songwriters of all The Beatles songs that either of them wrote. Paul Mc Cartney was eventually talked into doing it in alphabetical order, but still has misgivings - especially for songs like "Yesterday" where Lennon had no involvment.
    • Roger Ebert and Gene Siskel's show was called Siskel and Ebert after Gene won a coin toss. It was supposed to switch to Ebert and Siskel after four seasons, but the name didn't change, although Ebert did get credited first.
  • March 3, 2012
    Reecer6
    Does Jerry and Tom Argument sound good? Should I just think of some other sort of title altogether?
  • March 4, 2012
    SquirrelGuy
    In Archie Comics, there was a storyline in which Veronica complains that Betty is always "first"; everyone refers to them as "Betty and Veronica", never "Veronica and Betty".
  • March 5, 2012
    Arivne
    Whose Name Goes First Argument?

    At least readers should be able to figure out what it's about from the title.
  • March 5, 2012
    Duncan
    Real Life: The movie posters for the film Outrageous Fortune starring Shelly Long and Bette Midler, were printed half with a mirror image of the picture of the two of them and the names reversed, so each would be first-credited on half the posters made. Both had been promised top billing in their contracts, so the compromise was: West of the Mississippi River, Long got top billing and Midler got top billing east of the Mississippi.
  • March 5, 2012
    Wackd
    In the Drake And Josh Christmas special, Josh signs a Christmas card as being from "Josh and Drake", only for Drake to cross it out and rewrite it as "it sounds stupid the other way."
  • March 5, 2012
    Psychobabble6
    • Harold And Kumar Escape From Guantamo Bay:
      Kumar: It's not just going to be about Kumar all the time. It's going to be about Kumar and Harold.
      Harold: Harold and Kumar.
      Kumar: I kind of like the first way better.
  • March 5, 2012
    NateSpidgewood
  • March 5, 2012
    SquirrelGuy
    Averted in Real Life. The old cartoon production company Filmation Associates -- who also did live action kids' shows such as Shazam -- was headed by two executive producers: Lou Scheimer and Norm Prescott. In the opening credits to their shows, their names were displayed in a rotating circle so neither was first or last.
  • March 7, 2012
    KingZeal
    Not sure if this counts, but...

    • In the very first issue of The New Teen Titans (1980), Robin (Dick Grayson) notes that it feels good to be part of a team that doesn't begin with "Batman And--".
  • March 7, 2012
    Omeganian
    The Hyphen War is an interesting variation.
  • March 7, 2012
    Antigone3
    Played for Laughs on Myth Busters. When the team mocked-up a fighter airplane cockpit, someone added "pilot" names to it: "J. Hyneman", "A. Savage".
    Adam: How come Jamie gets top billing?
  • March 7, 2012
    ParadiscaCorbasi
    • Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck argue fairly often about who gets top billing. It's always started by Daffy, as he never gets top billing.
  • March 7, 2012
    surgoshan
  • July 16, 2012
    Prfnoff
    In Dave Barry Slept Here, on the Lewis and Clark expedition, "Clark bitched constantly because he thought it should be called 'The Clark and Lewis Expedition.'"
  • July 16, 2012
    elwoz
    I like Top Billing Argument. (Whose Name Goes First Argument made me think of the famous "Who's On First" sketch, which is, of course, completely unrelated.)
  • July 17, 2012
    peccantis
  • July 17, 2012
    Explosivo25
    In Good Luck Charlie, Gabe and his friemd Leo argue about this during "The Bob Duncan Experience" after starting a lemonade stand.

    • At the end, they decide to start a guacamole stand, only to proceed to argue about the name again. Until they're DEAD.
  • July 17, 2012
    Bisected8
    • Subverted in That Darn Cat. At the end, the two petrol station owners (who's stations were blown up by a stray match) decided to merge their businesses and rebuild. It looks like they're going to have this argument, however one just explains that the names are alphabetical and the other accepts it, showing that they're now friends.
  • July 17, 2012
    legendofhugh
    I believe this pops up briefly in Chicago in a conversation near the end.
  • July 17, 2012
    randomsurfer
  • July 17, 2012
    DmM
    In the The Magic School Bus episode "Blows its Top", D.A. and Carlos argue over who will get to name the volcanic island they've just discovered. When Liz beats them to it, they promptly argue over whether the book The Discovery of Lizard Island that they're going to write will be "...by D.A. and Carlos" or "...by Carlos and D.A."
  • July 20, 2012
    JoeG
    This trope is why they invented Diagonal Billing.
  • July 20, 2012
    Routerie
    My Name First?

    (That's not quite dialog.)
  • August 22, 2012
    DmM
  • August 22, 2012
    randomsurfer
    WWE: When the Tag Team of Unrelated Brothers Edge and Christian broke up, one of the reasons Christian cited was that it was always "Edge and Christian," never "Christian and Edge." (Except that it often was "Christian and Edge" when they got introduced as they were going to the ring, since they frequently save the more popular character's name for last when announcing.)
  • August 22, 2012
    MrRuano
    The novel Whale Talk has an amusing example: One of the swimming team's members actually got scolded on a puzzle when he put his own name before he found Jesus Christ on there. The teacher's excuse was that no one person should be before Jesus.
  • August 22, 2012
    cabr321
  • August 27, 2012
    abk0100
    In this sketch for Red Nose Day, Armstrong and Miller and Mitchell and Webb consider joining their duos together and doing a series. Armstrong suggest Armstrong and Mitchell, Miller and Webb as the name, Mitchell prefers ''Mitchell and Armstrong, Webb and Miller
  • August 27, 2012
    KevinKlawitter
    In American Outlaws, Jesse James and Cole Younger start arguing over how they should name their gang, with Jesse saying that it should be the "James-Younger" gang because calling themselves the "Younger-James" gang would sound like there was an Older James gang.
  • August 27, 2012
    robinjohnson
    • A Cock And Bull Story starts with Steve Coogan and Rob Bryden, playing themselves, bickering about the order their names should go in on the billing.
  • August 27, 2012
    bwburke94
  • August 27, 2012
    Tuckerscreator
    ^Agreed. Not very clear.

    Even Abbott And Costello argued about it. Lou Costello tried to change it at one point, but Universal Studios denied it, stating that it had hired Abbott and Costello, not Costello and Abbott.
  • August 27, 2012
    robinjohnson
  • August 27, 2012
    Quantumawsome
    How about Name Order Arguement?
  • August 27, 2012
    TBTabby
  • August 27, 2012
    randomsurfer
    On All In The Family Archie gets upset because his daughter and son-in-law plan to name their son after the two grandfathers: Stephen Archibald Stivic. When Archie asks why his name can't be first Mike points out that in that case his initials would be A.S.S. The eventually Take A Third Option and name him Joseph.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=h56h917h902w9e359xho8v5g