Created By: RazorSmile on January 4, 2011 Last Edited By: Catbert on December 21, 2012
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Fire User vs. Ice. User

Up For Grabs: Rivalry or conflict between Fire User and Ice User.

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In media with superpowered types, there's almost always at least one rivalry between a pyrokinetic and am ice-wielder. Examples include Iceman and The Human Torch, Captain Cold and Heat Wave, Fahrenheit and The Cooler (Stormwatch PHD).

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Examples

  • Heat Miser and Snow Miser?
  • One of the very earliest instances of Let's You and Him Fight, if not the Ur-Example, was the original Human Torch vs Namor the Sub Mariner. Granted, Namor isn't ice, but he is water - very cold water.
  • The cartoon series Spiderman and his Amazing Friends, his friends were Firestar and Iceman, subverting the tropes in that they were friends fighting as a team.
  • In the NESTS Chronicles of The King of Fighters, when K' defected from the NESTS cartel, they altered Kyo Kusanagi's DNA and implanted it into a young girl named Kula Diamond. Whereas K' wields fire, Kula has control over ice Although she was originally the antagonistic foil of K' in order to help flesh him out, after K' saved her and a wounder Foxy from K9999 and Angel in KOF 2001, Kula & co. joined K'.
  • The X-Men films had Iceman v Pyro. They start out as school/teammates, but then Pyro joins Team Magneto and goes all villainy.
  • Justice League has best friends Fire and Ice.
  • Batman and the Outsiders subverted the trope with a husband-wife team who were supervillains only because they hoped to finance a cure for their heat and cold powers.
  • Hot And Cold is an alt title for Tsundere, so I'd like to suggest Hot Vs Cold.
  • Katara (being a waterbender, thus being able to form ice) and Zuko (being a firebender) from Avatar: The Last Airbender have this kind of rivalry after Zuko heel-face-turns and joins the gaang. Azula might also serve as a sort of evil Katara counterpart.
  • This should definitely mention the Red Oni Blue Oni idea.
  • In Darker Than Black, November 11, An Ice Person goes up against Maki, whose power is Stuff Blowing Up.
  • Wouldn't this just be a specific instance of Elemental Rock-Paper-Scissors?
  • Burn and the Big Bad Keith in Psychic Force (the later wants to recruit the former into his organisation, the former wants to talk the later into chilling out a little). At the end of the former's story mode he even lampshades it by musing this trope might be a case of Because Destiny Says So.
  • Scorpion and Sub-Zero from Mortal Kombat. Would this troper be out of line in calling them the Trope Codifier?
    • @Kutulu I would say no, because Fire and Ice are usually treated as an even match in fiction. (Fire melts ice, melted ice puts out fire)
  • The two villains from Power Rangers Operation Overdrive, IIRC
  • Mega Man ZX: Prometheus and Pandora have fire and ice attacks respectively (though the latter also has lightning attacks).
  • So, verse and prose, they came together. No ice and flame, no stormy weather and granite, were so far apart. Eugene Onegin much, maybe can be somehow modified into a page quote?
  • The first bad future in Heroes had Peter with Fire going up against Sylar with Ice.
  • Subverted in Pokémon. Fire is super-effective against Ice, but Ice is not-very-effective against Fire (except in Generation I, where it's normal-effective.) That being said, there are plenty of other things Ice is strong against.
    • Done well in the anime, though. Ash's Charizard against Noland's Articuno in the Battle Frontier arc is a fair battle despite the typing, due to Articuno's ridiculous stats and access to Water attacks, which are super-effective on Charizard. (Also, Ice attacks hit Charizard for normal damage as it is a dual-typed Fire/Flying.)
  • Natsu (fire) and Gray (ice) in Fairy Tail; Lucy even lampshades it.
  • Most Toa teams in BIONICLE have a Toa of Fire as The Hero and a Toa of Ice as The Lancer, typically having a Red Oni, Blue Oni dynamic. Tahu and Kopaka are the most prominent example, although they're both just as likely to start arguing with Gali, the Toa of Water, as they are with each other.
Community Feedback Replies: 36
  • January 4, 2011
    WackyMeetsPractical
  • January 4, 2011
    randomsurfer
    One of the very earliest instances of Lets You And Him Fight, if not the Ur Example, was the original Human Torch vs Namor the Sub Mariner. Granted, Namor isn't ice, but he is water - very cold water.
  • January 4, 2011
    JonnyB
    In the cartoon series Spiderman and his Amazing Friends, his friends were Firestar and Iceman, subverting the tropes in that they were friends fighting as a team.
  • January 4, 2011
    X2X
    In the NESTS Chronicles of The King of Fighters, when K' defected from the NESTS cartel, they altered Kyo Kusanagi's DNA and implanted it into a young girl named Kula Diamond. Whereas K' wields fire, Kula has control over ice Although she was originally the antagonistic foil of K' in order to help flesh him out, after K' saved her and a wounder Foxy from K9999 and Angel in KOF 2001, Kula & co. joined K'.
  • January 6, 2011
    Scooter007
    The X-Men films had Iceman v Pyro. They start out as school/teammates, but then Pyro joins Team Magneto and goes all villainy.
  • January 6, 2011
    Flioro
    Maybe Hot And Cold for a name?
  • January 6, 2011
    ParadiscaCorbasi
    • Justice League has best friends Fire and Ice.
    • Batman And The Outsiders subverted the trope with a husband-wife team who were supervillains only because they hoped to finance a cure for their heat and cold powers.
  • January 7, 2011
    DAN004
    Hot And Cold is an alt title for Tsundere, so I'd like to suggest Hot Vs Cold.
  • January 7, 2011
    CinnaThePoet
    Katara (being a waterbender, thus being able to form ice) and Zuko (being a firebender) from Avatar The Last Airbender have this kind of rivalry after Zuko heel-face-turns and joins the gaang.
  • January 7, 2011
    Jordan
    This should definitely mention the Red Oni Blue Oni idea.

  • January 7, 2011
    Kutulu
    Wouldn't this just be a specific instance of Elemental Rock Paper Scissors?
  • January 7, 2011
    Bisected8
    Burn and the Big Bad Keith in Psychic Force (the later wants to recruit the former into his organisation, the former wants to talk the later into chilling out a little). At the end of the former's story mode he even lampshades it by musing this trope might be a case of Because Destiny Says So.
  • January 7, 2011
    visignis
    Scorpion and Sub-Zero from Mortal Kombat. Would this troper be out of line in calling them the Trope Codifier?
  • January 7, 2011
    Prophet
    @Kutulu I would say no, because Fire and Ice are usually treated as an even match in fiction. (Fire melts ice, melted ice puts out fire)

  • January 8, 2011
    DAN004
  • January 8, 2011
    Aminatep
    So, verse and prose, they came together. No ice and flame, no stormy weather and granite, were so far apart.

    Eugene Onegin much, maybe can be somehow modified into a page quote?
  • January 8, 2011
    A1593
    The first bad future in Heroes had Peter with Fire going up against Sylar with Ice.
  • January 10, 2011
    ZombieAladdin
    Subverted in Pokemon. Fire is super-effective against Ice, but Ice is not-very-effective against Fire. That being said, there are plenty of other things Ice is strong against.
  • January 12, 2011
    Xandriel
    Natsu (fire) and Gray (ice) in Fairy Tail; Lucy even lampshades it.
  • January 12, 2011
    RazorSmile
    Sooooooo ... do I launch this? Put up the page? Bueller?
  • January 15, 2011
    ZombieAladdin
    Put up the examples onto the article itself, and we'll see.
  • January 15, 2011
    PapercutChainsaw
    • Most Toa teams in Bionicle have a Toa of Fire as The Hero and a Toa of Ice as The Lancer, typically having a Red Oni Blue Oni dynamic. Tahu and Kopaka are the most prominent example, although they're both just as likely to start arguing with Gali, the Toa of Water, as they are with each other.
  • May 4, 2011
    randomsurfer
    In an issue of Harvey Comics' Devil Kids featuring Hot Stuff a spate of unseasonable, very cold weather in midsummer leads to a battle between Hot Stuff (fire) and Jack Frost (ice) - except it's not Jack Frost, it's his prankster little brother Joey Frost. "Whenever there's screwy weather around, that's Joey."
  • May 5, 2011
    Pickly
    • Vaguely references in the last Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne mission, call A symphony of Frost and Flame. Pits the undead (who use lots of ice spells) against the Blood elves (who use a lot of fire spells), though the Naga screw this pattern up somewhat.
  • May 5, 2011
    Rolf
    Theres enough examples for sorting into media by now..
  • July 17, 2011
    Eddy1215
    I think you're forgetting about Bloom and Icy from Winx Club.
  • February 19, 2012
    Catbert
    This looks almost ready to launch. Can someone take it over, sort it, and improve the definition a bit?
  • February 19, 2012
    DrakeClawfang
    To clarify, this is specifically about rivalry between fire and ice users, not just a pairing of the two types, right? I may have another example or two if so, but for now.

    • In the Final Fantasy series, the fire summon Ifrit is the rival of ice summon Shiva, and in some games gives an Oh Crap moment if the player summons her against him.
    • Final Fantasy X and Dissidia Final Fantasy, Tidus is associated with water and hates his father Jecht, who is associated with fire.
  • February 19, 2012
    Koveras
    • According to the lore of The Elder Scrolls series, Flame Atronachs and Frost Atronachs are locked in a state of permanent warfare against each other all across the Oblivion planes. It takes the influence of a Daedric Prince like Mehrunes Dagon to make them stop fighting each other temporarily.
  • February 20, 2012
    nitrokitty
    Clean up the description, sort the examples, and I'll give you a hat.
  • February 20, 2012
    Catbert
    nirokitty, we haven't heard from the original sponsor in forever, so I'm not sure who you think you are talking to. This is Up For Grabs. That means if you want it done, it is best to do it yourself.
  • February 20, 2012
    aurora369
    Lina Inverse and Naga the White Serpent, Vitriolic Best Buds from The Slayers OVA and movies?
  • March 5, 2012
    Cider
    I say put all the examples here on Elemental Rivalry and launch that trope instead.
  • March 5, 2012
    Catbert
    Sounds like a plan. You have a link to Elemental Rivalry?
  • March 5, 2012
    Cider
  • December 21, 2012
    Victin
    I think it can work as a sub-trope of Elemental Rivalry, but this one needs a better name in my opinion. Any ideas?
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