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Fire User vs. Ice. User
Up For Grabs: Rivalry or conflict between Fire User and Ice User.
(permanent link) added: 2011-01-04 20:31:07 sponsor: RazorSmile edited by: Catbert (last reply: 2012-12-21 13:27:52)

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In media with superpowered types, there's almost always at least one rivalry between a pyrokinetic and am ice-wielder. Examples include Iceman and The Human Torch, Captain Cold and Heat Wave, Fahrenheit and The Cooler (Stormwatch PHD).

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  • Heat Miser and Snow Miser?
  • One of the very earliest instances of Let's You and Him Fight, if not the Ur-Example, was the original Human Torch vs Namor the Sub Mariner. Granted, Namor isn't ice, but he is water - very cold water.
  • The cartoon series Spiderman and his Amazing Friends, his friends were Firestar and Iceman, subverting the tropes in that they were friends fighting as a team.
  • In the NESTS Chronicles of The King of Fighters, when K' defected from the NESTS cartel, they altered Kyo Kusanagi's DNA and implanted it into a young girl named Kula Diamond. Whereas K' wields fire, Kula has control over ice Although she was originally the antagonistic foil of K' in order to help flesh him out, after K' saved her and a wounder Foxy from K9999 and Angel in KOF 2001, Kula & co. joined K'.
  • The X-Men films had Iceman v Pyro. They start out as school/teammates, but then Pyro joins Team Magneto and goes all villainy.
  • Justice League has best friends Fire and Ice.
  • Batman and the Outsiders subverted the trope with a husband-wife team who were supervillains only because they hoped to finance a cure for their heat and cold powers.
  • Hot And Cold is an alt title for Tsundere, so I'd like to suggest Hot Vs Cold.
  • Katara (being a waterbender, thus being able to form ice) and Zuko (being a firebender) from Avatar: The Last Airbender have this kind of rivalry after Zuko heel-face-turns and joins the gaang. Azula might also serve as a sort of evil Katara counterpart.
  • This should definitely mention the Red Oni Blue Oni idea.
  • In Darker Than Black, November 11, An Ice Person goes up against Maki, whose power is Stuff Blowing Up.
  • Wouldn't this just be a specific instance of Elemental Rock-Paper-Scissors?
  • Burn and the Big Bad Keith in Psychic Force (the later wants to recruit the former into his organisation, the former wants to talk the later into chilling out a little). At the end of the former's story mode he even lampshades it by musing this trope might be a case of Because Destiny Says So.
  • Scorpion and Sub-Zero from Mortal Kombat. Would this troper be out of line in calling them the Trope Codifier?
    • @Kutulu I would say no, because Fire and Ice are usually treated as an even match in fiction. (Fire melts ice, melted ice puts out fire)
  • The two villains from Power Rangers Operation Overdrive, IIRC
  • Mega Man ZX: Prometheus and Pandora have fire and ice attacks respectively (though the latter also has lightning attacks).
  • So, verse and prose, they came together. No ice and flame, no stormy weather and granite, were so far apart. Eugene Onegin much, maybe can be somehow modified into a page quote?
  • The first bad future in Heroes had Peter with Fire going up against Sylar with Ice.
  • Subverted in Pokémon. Fire is super-effective against Ice, but Ice is not-very-effective against Fire (except in Generation I, where it's normal-effective.) That being said, there are plenty of other things Ice is strong against.
    • Done well in the anime, though. Ash's Charizard against Noland's Articuno in the Battle Frontier arc is a fair battle despite the typing, due to Articuno's ridiculous stats and access to Water attacks, which are super-effective on Charizard. (Also, Ice attacks hit Charizard for normal damage as it is a dual-typed Fire/Flying.)
  • Natsu (fire) and Gray (ice) in Fairy Tail; Lucy even lampshades it.
  • Most Toa teams in BIONICLE have a Toa of Fire as The Hero and a Toa of Ice as The Lancer, typically having a Red Oni, Blue Oni dynamic. Tahu and Kopaka are the most prominent example, although they're both just as likely to start arguing with Gali, the Toa of Water, as they are with each other.
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