Created By: JMQwilleran on September 4, 2012 Last Edited By: JMQwilleran on September 15, 2012
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Argument of Contradictions

An argument between two characters descends into back-and-forth Is not! Is too!

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"Mom says 'Why can't you agree?' I say 'It's her fault, don't blame me!' 'Is not!' 'Is too!' 'Is not!' 'Is too!' "Is not, is not!' 'Is too, is too!' 'Is not, is not, is not!' 'Is too, is too, is too! Ha!'"
"Is Not! Is Too!" - children's song by Bill Harley

Exactly What It Says on the Tin, an Argument of Contradictions is a quarrel between two characters in which neither side really has any valid points to back up their argument, or they just aren't listening to each other, so for want of trying to win, the argument descends into bickering in the basic format of "Is not!" "Is too!" "Is not!" "Is too!" Another form this can take is for two characters to simply shout their side loudly and repeatedly, i.e. "Red is the best color to paint it!" "No, blue is the best color to paint!" "Red!" "Blue!" "Red!" "Blue!..."

Often used to indicate general childishness or immaturity.

This may end with any the following:

  • A character ends the argument or tries to end it by declaring "Is too - infinity!"
    • May result in the other character declaring is "Is not - infinity +1!"
  • One of the characters eventually gives up through sheer tiredness
  • The characters eventually realize their argument is silly
  • One character ends the argument by employing Duck Season, Rabbit Season, a subtrope of this

This may date back as far as Commedia dell'Arte, making it Older Than Steam. See also No, You, a similar form of bickering, but one in which insults are specifically involved.

Examples

[[folder:Films - Animation]]
  • In The Emperor's New Groove, Pacha's kids argue about whether their father would ever kiss a llama. They interrupt their rapid fire litany of "Nuh-uh!" "Yeah-huh!" only to say good night to their mother, then continue through the night.
  • In Snow White, the fairies argue over the color of Cinderella's dress. Flora wants pink, but Merryweather wants blue and they repeatedly use their magic to change the color. An homage is paid to this in the Kingdom Hearts II, when the fairies disagree over the color of Sora's new outfit, before finally landing on a stylish multi-colored outfit that can transform into other outfits patterned after a single color that give Sora special powers.
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[[folder:Films - Live Action]]
  • Hot Shots! has a similar argument:
    Topper Harley: Are too too too too too too too too too too too...
    Kent Gregory: Not not not not not not not not not...
    Topper Harley: Are too times ten.
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[[folder:Live Action TV]]
  • In the Monty Python "Argument Clinic" sketch, a man goes to the eponymous clinic for an argument, but all he receives is negation - which is to say, this.
    Man: An argument isn't just contradiction.
    Mr Vibrating: It can be.
    Man: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
    Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.
    Man: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
    Mr Vibrating: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
    Man: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
    Mr Vibrating: Yes it is!
    Man: No it isn't!
  • On Top Gear, most arguments between Richard Hammond and Jeremy Clarkson end up in this.
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[[folder:Music]] There is a children's song called "Is Not Is Too" written by Bill Harley called "Is Not Is Too" that is about this and is said to be dedicated to anyone who has a brother, sister, or a good friends they don't get along with.
"Instead of saying 'is not, is too,' why don't you both try something new? ... Fine! Uh huh. Uh uh. Uh uh uh..."
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[[folder:Western Animation]]
  • In "Did Not! Did Too!" on Baby Looney Tunes, Bugs Bunny and Lola have an argument over whose flag to plant in a block tower. They go to their rooms and have a "Did not! Did too!" argument over who asked who to help each other.
  • An episode of Dave the Barbarian has Dave and Fang arguing over how to deal with a band of monsters coming to Udrogoth. The argument eventually degenerates into chasing each other around a table while shouting "Yes!" and "No!"
  • Obligatory My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic example, in "Call of the Cutie," Apple Bloom and Scootaloo do this. "Maybe that's our special talent: arguing." "Is not!" "Is too!" "Is not!" "Is too! Anything yet?" "Darn." A YouTube video parodies this by having the logo of Fox News appear as the cutie mark, suggesting that this is the type of behavior the network encourages with its style of reporting.
  • In "Kid Court" on PB&J Otter Peanut, Jelly, and Baby Butter are having an argument over which of them should get to watch their favorite TV show. They decide to have Pinch solve as a judge in a mock court and Peanut has Flick testify on his behalf. Flick says that Pinch must rule in Peanut's favor because of Peanut's Law, which states "that if your name is Peanut and the ring toss relays are on, then you get to watch them." Jelly protests that Flick is making that up. "Am not!" "Are too!" "Am not a hundred times." "Are too a hundred times infinity!" "Ooh, she's good."
  • Some arguments between Sonic and Sally devolve into this on Sonic Sat Am.
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[[folder:Real Life]]
  • Who hasn't done this with their brother, sister, friend, or at the very least overheard someone else doing it?
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'Fraid that's the end of the entry.
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Community Feedback Replies: 18
  • September 4, 2012
    randomsurfer
    In the Monty Python "Argument Clinic" sketch, a man goes to the eponymous clinic for an argument, but all he receives is negation - which is to say, this.
    Man: An argument isn't just contradiction.
    Mr Vibrating: It can be.
    Man: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
    Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.
    Man: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
    Mr Vibrating: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
    Man: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
    Mr Vibrating: Yes it is!
    Man: No it isn't!
  • September 4, 2012
    TBTabby
    An episode of Dave The Barbarian has Dave and Fang arguing over how to deal with a band of monsters coming to Udrogoth. The argument eventually degenerates into chasing each other around a table while shouting "Yes!" and "No!"
  • September 5, 2012
    Psi001
    Some arguments between Sonic and Sally devolve into this in Sonic Sat Am.
  • September 5, 2012
    TonyG
    On The Emperors New Groove, Pacha's kids argue about whether their father would ever kiss a llama. They interrupt their rapid fire lithany of "Nuh-uh!" "Yeah-huh!" only to say good night to their mother, then continue through the night.
  • September 5, 2012
    IronLion
    See also No You.
  • September 5, 2012
    randomling
    May derive from Pantomime - the tradition of "Oh yes it is!" "Oh no it isn't!" arguments is well-established in panto. Maybe it even goes back to Commedia Dell Arte?
  • September 5, 2012
    lexicon
    On Top Gear, Most arguments between Richard Hammond and Jeremy Clarkson end up in this.
  • September 5, 2012
    McKathlin
    I think this is tropable. It's a simple way of establishing that two people are immature and (sometimes) don't get along.
  • September 5, 2012
    JMQwilleran
    Fantastic - looks like it is tropable then. When I get the chance tomorrow, I'll see about finding/adding some more examples and typing up the proper description.
  • September 5, 2012
    surgoshan
  • September 5, 2012
    JMQwilleran
    Yeah, I think that's a good title, unless someone can come with something even better.
  • September 5, 2012
    NimmerStill
    Hot Shots has a similar argument:
    Topper Harley: Are too too too too too too too too too too too...
    Kent Gregory: Not not not not not not not not not...
    Topper Harley: Are too times ten.
  • September 6, 2012
    spacemarine50
    Should the "Is too infinfity" variant be a subtrope of this?
  • September 6, 2012
    JMQwilleran
    I don't think so - seems to me it falls quite nicely under this.
  • September 7, 2012
    JMQwilleran
    Description updated, and examples posted to it with examples (included more I added myself.) For some reason my folders aren't working, though - do they just not work in this section?
  • September 11, 2012
    Arivne
    ^ Folders don't work in YKTTW. They'll work properly once it's launched.
  • September 12, 2012
    JMQwilleran
    Ah, okay. I thought it might be that, but I wasn't sure. Anyway, if nobody else has anything to say, or anything to add, I'm probably going to launch this sometime tomorrow. It's ready, it's got plenty of examples, seems to me it's good to go.
  • September 15, 2012
    JMQwilleran

Three days must pass before this YKTTW is Launchworthy or Discardable

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=f0qy3ryv2qrsovr2zmnptqv2