Created By: klas.wullt on July 11, 2014
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Japanese Science Fiction

When this trope is active. All science is always awesome!

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There are two universal types of science fiction, Western or Japanese. Western SF, is technophobic, angsy, controversial and science is always bad. In Japanese Science Fiction science always neutral or good. Western sci fi is about social relationships and not being human at the same time as you are "a human being" becouse of identity crisis.

Cyborgs and won't go insane from replacing their brain with computers. Society can progress through technology, and scientists are more often heroics champions of mankind. Robots can be friendly or harmless.

In early 1910thies Europe, Japanese SF used to be the normal view on science untill the 1930thies with hittler and commists who where fanatical anti intellectuals. Anti-intellectualism have stayed even though Hittler and communism to this day. In Japan however a positive view on science and utopian science fiction still survive to entertain the minds of a new generation.

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  • July 11, 2014
    Koveras
    So does the Soviet science fiction like that by the Strugatsky Brothers and Ivan Yefremov fall under Western or Japanese "universal type"?
  • July 11, 2014
    klas.wullt
    Japanese of course! Don't worry, I just insulating that totalitarian ideologies are anti-intellectual like "a brew new world", "1984", Not that there are no intellectuals in totalitarian ideologies. Its just that they tend to be censured, branded as "jews" or "Troiskists"/heretics/criminals/terrorists etc or worse..and dissappear.

    The Strugatsky Brothers fought against the Soviet censorship, all great soviet thinkers and artists especially those of socialst conviction themselves swimed in counterstream. Alot of Russian and socialist SF-writers remembered when socialism was smaller ideology often dominated by a more educated core group. However most russian scientists where shamelessly pseudointellectual and resorted to antiintellectualism when it became obvious. In early soviet there where a "cult around the engineer", that the engineer could engineer society just as he did the physical material. Lenin didnt seem to pay much interest into art at all. Stalin didn't like science fiction, he prefered wild west movies with cowbows.

  • July 11, 2014
    SKJAM
    Like the sister YKTTW you put up, this one doesn't work with the title you have for it, as Japanese SF is just as likely to use pessimistic themes as optimistic ones. I think you would be better off writing a thesis paper and having it peer reviewed than try to force this as a trope page.
  • July 11, 2014
    klas.wullt
    Pessimism or optimism isn't really the issue. Appleseed is pessimistic but the robots still seem more human and are friendlier than I most western robotfilms.
  • July 11, 2014
    Bisected8
    AI Artificial Intelligence? Transcendence? Bicentennial Man? The Iron Giant?

    Both Eastern and Western cinema have plenty of friendly and not-so-friendly robots and films that explore the nature of artificially intelligent beings compared to humanity.
  • July 11, 2014
    SKJAM
    ...yeah. This needs to be a scholarly paper with a thesis, cited evidence to support that thesis, explanations of how the massive amount of contrary evidence fits into the thesis, etc. As is, it's a half-baked hypothesis that even if you launch these will end up with 70%-80% "subverted" or "inverted" examples. If you're in college, I'd suggest seeing if one of your professors would be willing to accept it as a for-credit project.
  • July 11, 2014
    Koveras
    What SKJAM said.
  • July 11, 2014
    klas.wullt
    Okey, I can can give up but are there any science is good tropes? Science hero isnt really the opposite of "Science is bad", its more the opposite of evil genius or dumb heroes.
  • July 11, 2014
    DAN004
  • July 11, 2014
    Bisected8
    Any story with a Science Hero necessarily has a "science is a force for good" message.
  • July 15, 2014
    klas.wullt
    Post Cyberpunk isnt this.. at all and Science Hero is not this..not at all. Post cyberpunk, is to much about society and not enought about the physical which characterized the early utopian pulp fiction. Society is always important to sci fi but I feel that Post Cyber Punk, is to much punk and to much soft sociology and societial issuess. Social science sci fi isnt really science fiction at all. Often I just wouldnt ever watch that... especially if its not about supertechnology or science related accidents phenonomeons etc.

    The Science Hero can appear next to a science villian.. or other heroes. Doctor Who is a science hero, but science isnt always good becouse there are so many bad scientists.

  • July 30, 2014
    klas.wullt
    This trope was always meant as a ball and a wall. May I suggest that I am onsomething here but that I agree on your negative criticism. How about a name change and replace Japanese with easy symbolic "Gay" or use a year or century as symbol. that and simplify the historical sentence, we remove the political "dictatorship" reference and just say science fiction isnt hot anymore and people used to believe optimistically in science and now they don't.

    What is the trope?, I just wanted a trope about sci fi that is NOT just impossible technology as a symbol, that not just about society , not just social relationship& structures and datachock and that is not psychological or sociological.

    To me this science fiction that is as much about the human utopia as about soft technology porn, the triumph of the protagonists intellect and that doesnt have to be utopian all the time as long as it got something to say.

  • September 18, 2014
    PistolsAtDawn
    This has long been discarded but... the 1910thies? lol
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