Created By: CTrombley on December 20, 2008
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Unbuilt Trope

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When someone creates a trope, they are not bound by it's soon to be cliches. As a result some Trope Makers can seem like Deconstructions in retrospect. This is especially true when another work is the Trope Codifier, the original use can even be shocking in comparison!

  • Night of the Living Dead, Trope Maker for Zombie Apocalypse, would be seen as a deconstruction today. The total lack of explanation, the concentration on the human reaction, the final scenes where an explicit parallel is made between roving zombies and frontier justice... I could go on.
  • If Astro Boy began to day, it would be called a Darker and Edgier take on Replacement Goldfish. Dr. Tenma is clearly portrayed as psychotic for believing he can do such a thing and abuses the little robot whenever he behaves anything other than exactly like his son Tobio. The doctor explodes at Astro when Astro doesn't age, which Astro is physically incapable of doing. Then he sells Astro Boy into slavery. Yeah...

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  • December 20, 2008
    arromdee
    In the original The Mummy movie the mummy talks, doesn't shamble or wear wrappings and successfully pretends to be a human being.
  • December 21, 2008
    CTrombley
    This one's got pretty widely known but a lot of those Fairy Tales were seem a lot more like Deconstructions of the Disney models in retrospect.

    High Noon is definitely a deconstruction of the morality of the classic western, despite being one of the great classic westerns.

  • December 21, 2008
    DragonQuestZ
    "High Noon is definitely a deconstruction of the morality of the classic western, despite being one of the great classic westerns."

    But westerns were around for years.
  • December 21, 2008
    Micah
    Lord Of The Rings bears this relation to high fantasy, with its quasi-pacifistic overtones, Bittersweet Ending, and inverted Plot Coupon.
  • December 21, 2008
    Unknown Troper
    Cutie Honey could be seen as this in terms of the Magical Girl genre, with it being aimed at an older male audience, as well as containing varying amounts of both self parody and Darker And Edgier.
  • December 22, 2008
    CTrombley
    @Dragon Quest Z: True, but the line between classic and modern westerns is The Good The Bad And The Ugly.

    Any ideas for the title?
  • December 22, 2008
    Tzintzuntzan
    Related to what C Trombley said, this seems to be two tropes. One is Newer Than They Think -- the original Dracula stories don't have sunlight kill him.

    The other one is that there is often a lot of Bowdlerization and Disneyfication between the start of a genre and its popularity, so somebody who sees the mass versions first may think the original is a Deconstruction (especially if later Darker And Edgier versions harken back to the original). Fairy tales are obvious. Another example is the endless Silver Age versus Post Modernism conflict in American comic books, where the Silver Age is often seen as the original classics from a more innocent time -- even though the original was actually the Darker And Edgier Golden Age.
  • December 22, 2008
    CTrombley
    Well, this isn't really Newer Than They Think ... for the Dracula example, the original Dracula was really more of a sexual predator or even rapist. This can shock people who are used to the more sensual post-Christopher Lee Draculas. It's not about lacking certain plot elements, it's that the whole approach can be different.

    I would say that the more Pulp Fiction inspired Golden Age is a very good example.
  • December 23, 2008
    CTrombley
    I'm going to launch this under the current name unless someone can think of a better one.

  • December 23, 2008
    Thande
    LOTR was already mentioned, but there's another built-in example: Mordor, as in the trope, usually appears in fantasy series with Fridge Logic complications of how the blasted evil desolate plain gets its vast orc armies fed and watered. LOTR on the other hand includes an aside mentioning how the original Mordor also includes regions with vast fertile fields worked by slaves, which in retrospect seems like a deconstruction.
  • December 23, 2008
    Ialdabaoth
    The original Frankensteins Monster of Mary Shelley's novel was neither mute nor limited to Hulk Speak.
  • December 23, 2008
    jojabar
    Prototropes?
  • December 23, 2008
    Unknown Troper
    The mystery in "Murders in the Rue Morgue" is totally unsolvable - in modern mystery stories the clues are there but hard to put together; the solution not only comes out of left field (it's an escaped ape from the zoo)but is explained by factors the reader never learns until the summation.
  • December 24, 2008
    ShayGuy
    Would Rei Ayanami's relation to the Emotionless Girl trope count as this?
  • January 11, 2009
    Unknown Troper
    Yeah, probably.
  • January 11, 2009
    calronmoonflower
  • January 11, 2009
    CTrombley
  • January 12, 2009
    SchrodingersDuck
    Early Cyberpunk stuff tends to be quite cerebral, and generally set in a 1984 / Soviet Russia style dystopia, where technology and power is in the hands of a small, wealthy elite. Compare that with Post Cyberpunk - the stuff that generally gets thought of as Cyberpunk today - about Badass Longcoats with Katanas in a world where everyone and his dog has complete freedom thanks to technology. A work like Neuromancer would today be seen as a deconstruction of the idea that the Internet brings the free flow of information.
  • January 12, 2009
    CTrombley
    Hmmm... I'm beginning to worry about subjectivity. Any thoughts?
  • January 13, 2009
    fulltimedefendent
    I don't think it's too subjective, but I would be careful about throwing the word deconstruction around too loosely (as in "X would seem like a deconstruction today...")
  • January 17, 2009
    Unknown Troper
    ze bump
  • January 17, 2009
    calronmoonflower
  • January 18, 2009
    idledandy
    I like Proto Trope.
  • January 18, 2009
    Madrugada
    So do I: Prototrope
  • January 20, 2009
    Unknown Troper
    What happened to this?
  • January 20, 2009
    Goldfritha
    It didn't get launched.

    Proto Trope.

    and Just Launch It Already.
  • January 20, 2009
    TwinBird
    C Trombley: You can't separate it so cleanly into "classic" and "modern." The classic westerns didn't come all at once; High Noon is not an example because it's a Deconstruction of what had come before it, not what it helped to introduce. If you could find a similar film among the earliest Westerns, fine, but High Noon is much, much too late.

    Also, I'd argue against Rei since I'm pretty sure the "ur-example" descriptor came from people who didn't know what that meant. As many times as she's been referenced in the past fifteen years, she herself is built on earlier Defrosting Ice Queen characters (nope, all psychological process on this show is illusory).
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