Created By: Soupdragon on August 5, 2011 Last Edited By: MichelleJHowe on July 20, 2014
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Mega Maelstrom

Giant whirlpool vortex.

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The ships in the vortex go round and round...

The sea is always hungry.

You're sailing through the ocean on a grand ship, and the guy sitting in the crow's nest somehow doesn't see a massive vortex of water that threatens to pull you, your crew, and your ship to the bottom of the sea. Enter the most common version of the Mega Maelstrom.

The poor crew will attempt to sail around the maelstrom, through it or go straight into it if it's actually a Portal Pool.

Occasionally, the Mega Maelstrom may not even be made of water but something vortex-y that might suck in people or things around it. This version can overlap with Gravity Sucks.

In Real Life, aquatic maelstroms exist, and they are dangerous to people swimming in them as well as small boats, but they are merely two currents flowing against each other at high speed which can only cause a small funnel to form, at best. This real maelstrom doesn't actually suck you under; you might go from one fast moving stream to another, in a circle around the epicenter, or you might be eventually thrown off into safer waters.

The Ancient Greek myth of Charybdis makes this trope Older Than Feudalism.

Note that the whirlpool does not have to pose a threat to a large ship to qualify as this trope. It need only be an unrealistically large swirling maelstrom or comparatively large to one of the characters. A bathtub drain could qualify in a movie about anthropomorphic bugs, for example.

Compare Fun with Flushing, Do Not Touch the Funnel Cloud, and Inevitable Waterfall.

If the maelstrom is long-lasting enough, it can overlap with Perpetual Storm.


Examples

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    Anime and Manga 
  • Dragon Ball Z made one of these when Freeza was thought to be dead.
  • In One Piece, this is actually exploited by the heroes once: Near the end of Enies Lobby arc, Sanji secretly sneaked out of his boat to hijack the control of the giant door on the waters they're on, causing it to slowly shut down and create giant whirlpools and water currents. The big Marine ships have difficulty on navigating through the currents, but the much smaller Straw Hat ship doesn't.
    • Additionally, the character Jinbe can be seen standing in a Mega Maelstrom in episode 450.

    Film 
  • The closing bars of Darla Dimple's Villain Song in Cats Don't Dance show Danny and Sawyer circling each other while caught in a vortex, looking appropriately scared and doomed. Fortunately, this scene exists only in Darla's mind, but it illustrates just how craven and ruthless she is in order to maintain her prima donna status at Mammoth Studios.
  • In The Final Countdown there's a time vortex that is kind of a sideways maelstrom, that literally swallows the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz.
  • In The Little Mermaid, the sea witch Ursula wrestles the crown and trident away from King Triton, stirs the sea until she has formed a huge vortex, and traps Ariel on dry sea bed at its bottom. Ursula then toys with poor Ariel, who has little room to dodge deadly bolts from the trident.
  • In Pirates of the Caribbean At World's End, Calypso creates a massive maelstrom that serves as the battleground for The Climax.
  • Zig Zagged in Toy Story 3: Near the end, the toys get put inside a trash machine that has scraps flowing down in a vaguely funnel shape towards a melting point with no way to climb out. They were saved by a claw machine.

    Literature 
  • The Belgariad has the Cherek Bore, a maelstrom that protects the Cherek peninsula from incursion. Chereks have developed a technique to get through it.
  • Trope Codifier is A Descent Into the Maelstrom by Edgar Allan Poe. The narrator is awed by watching the "Moskoe-strom" note , described as a gigantic whirlpool of "more than a mile in diameter", from a mountain top in the Lofoten islands. His guide, a local fisherman, then tells him a story of how he and his two brothers were sucked into the Moskoe-strom in the middle of a storm. While the fisherboat was spiralling at high speed around the edge of the funnel, the fisherman had time to observe that small, cylindrical objects were sucked slower into the funnel than other objects. By lashing himself to an empty barrel, the man managed to outlast the whirlpool and was saved, while his elder brother clung to the fishing boat and was sucked down.
  • In the Dragonlance world of Krynn, at the center of the Blood Sea of Istar lies a giant vortex known as the Maelstrom. It was created when the Gods destroyed the city of Istar during the Cataclysm. The Maelstrom constantly stirs up the soil causing the water to look red which is how the sea got its name, though the legend on Krynn was that the color was really caused by the blood of all those who died in Istar.
  • Paul the Deacon's History of the Lombards (c. 790 AD) discusses maelstroms in chapter 6. Paul believes maelstroms switch between sucking and emitting water twice a day, thus causing the tides. Especially there is huge maelstrom called "Navel of the Sea" in the North Sea and another one in the Channel near Alderney. One time, an entire fleet was sucked into this latter whirlpool, and only a single survivor managed to cling to a rock in the sea, from where he could see right down into the maelstrom. The man expected to die, when luckily the maelstrom switched from sucking to spitting and threw up the ships it had sucked in; the man managed to grab one of the ships and made it back to land.
  • Percy Jackson and the Olympians. The Sea of Monsters had Charybdis herself [[note: see Mythology section]].
  • Pyramid Scheme also had Charybdis herself show up.
  • At the end of Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea by Jules Verne, Professor Aronnax and his friends are just trying to flee from the Nautilus in one of her skiffs, when they realize the submarine has been caught by the Lofoten maelstrom. They want to turn back, but the current rips the skiff away from the Nautilus. Professor Arronax then loses consciousness by bumping his head; when he comes to he and his friends are in safety in a fisherman's hut in the Lofoten. He doesn't know how they escaped the maelstrom, or whether the Nautilus escaped.
  • In Redwall The Bellmaker, Joseph and the other abbeydwellers encounter the Green Maelstrom at the end of the swift Roaringburn current, which is legendary for taking ships. They swing around the edge of it, but the pursuing pirate ship isn't so lucky.

    Live Action TV 
  • Mythbusters tested this. Turns out maelstroms simply can't get big enough to swallow any reasonably sized ship.
  • Once Upon a Time used several as portals between worlds.
[[folder:Mythology]]
  • Charybdis is a sea-monster that creates the Ur-Example. Charybdis lives in a sea-strait, often specified as the Strait of Messina (where tidal whirlpools occur). Thrice a day, Charybdis swallows huge amounts of water and thus creates a maelstrom. After a time, it spits the water out again; afterwards there is a period of calm before Charybdis begins to swallow again.
    • In The Odyssey, Charybdis is situated under a rock which is opposite to a cliff inhabited by the sea-monster Scylla. When Odysseus sails through the strait, he stays as far away from Charybdis as possible, following Circe's advice who had warned him that not even Poseidon can save ships that are sucked into Charybdis' whirlpool. When the shipmates are watching the maelstrom in terror from a safe distance, six of them are seized and eaten by Scylla.
    Later, Odysseus' ship has been wrecked by a storm, and Odysseus is drifting on a piece of wreckage back into the strait, when Charybdis starts to suck in the sea. The raft is sucked into the whirlpool, but Odysseus manages to hold on to a branch of the large fig tree growing on the rock above Charybdis. At evening, Charybdis regurgitates the water, and the raft comes up again. Odysseus recovers it and paddles away.
    • In book 3 of The Aeneid, Aeneas' fleet of Trojan refugees draws near the Strait of Messina with the intent to pass it, when the growing current and a thundering noise make them realize at the last moment that they are approaching the infamous Charybdis. They immediately turn around and row for their lives, and, hours later and utterly exhausted, manage to escape the suction of Charybdis.
  • Norse Mythology: According to Prose Edda, King Frodi of Denmark had a magical mill called Grotti which was so huge it had to be turned by two giantesses. Grotti was robbed by the viking Mysingr, who loaded it on his ship and used it to create salt. But his greed was so great that he did not make the mill stop even when the salt was becoming too heavy, and the ship went down. The mill is still turning on the sea-bottom, making the sea salty and causing a maelstrom where the sea falls into the mill-eye.

    Tabletop Games 
  • Dungeons & Dragons. The monster fish known as the Afanc could swim in circles and create a whirlpool powerful enough to suck a ship up to 60 feet long down to the bottom.

    Video Games 
  • Chrono Trigger inexplicably uses one of these to teleport you while you're on foot.
  • In Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back, whirlpools are a common obstacle in the river levels. Get too close into it and you'll be sucked into the river, costing you a life.
  • Dragon's Lair's hero, Drik the Daring, at one point must pilot a rowboat along a subterranean watercourse, dodging maelstroms left and right. If Dirk times himself correctly, he can skirt the vortexes and continue downstream; otherwise, Dirk goes down the vortex to his doom.
  • Golden Sun: Dark Dawn requires that you sail your ship into one of these to get to the Bonus Dungeon.
  • Heroes of Might and Magic III's maelstroms act as maritime portals that instantly transport you to different locations on the map.
  • Pokémon can use these as a move and several appear on the maps in some games.
  • Legend of Zelda:The Wind Waker does then when you choose to teleport when at sea, or when you fight one of the giant sea octoroks.
  • In Ultima IV, getting sucked into a maelstrom while at sea gives you a Fission Mailed message and actually transports you to an otherwise unreachable location which you have to visit in order to finish the game.
  • In the Warcraft universe, there is a continent-destroying magical maelstrom between the two main continents created by elves trying to play god.

    Western Animation 
  • Avatar: The Last Airbender had Katara making one of these to fight a giant sea serpent.
  • Loonatics Unleashed: The villainous aquatic mutant Adolpho from "A Creep In The Deep" episode can orchestrate sea creatures to swim in unison in order to create vortexes that swallow bridges, seaside condos and luxury liners.

    Real Life 
  • As noted in the description, Maelstroms appear all over the world, but often look rather formless as they are simply two currents crashing into each other in opposite directions. Whirlpools do exists as well, but they are not usually fast moving enough to be consider a maelstrom and are never as large as a Mega Maelstrom.
  • Moskstraumen was the inspiration for A Descent Into The Maelstrom. Other Wiki has more info on this and normal maelstroms, complete with pictures that look like nothing more than standing water!

    Other 
  • The Carta Marina of Olaus Magnus (1539) depicts a large swirl in the sea amid the Lofoten islands, captioned Hec est horrenda Caribdis ("This is the horrible Charybdis"). There is also a small ship in the middle of the maelstrom that is apparently just being sucked down.
Community Feedback Replies: 51
  • August 5, 2011
    randomsurfer
  • August 6, 2011
    Ryusui
    I'd just recommend Mega Maelstrom for the trope name.
  • August 6, 2011
    JonnyB
    In The Final Countdown there's a time vortex that is kind of a sideways maelstrom, that literally swallows the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz.
  • August 6, 2011
    Andygal
    the whirlpool in Greek mythology with the name I forget how to spell makes this Older Than Dirt.
  • August 6, 2011
    DarkConfidant
    Golden Sun: Dark Dawn requires that you sail your ship into one of these to get to the Bonus Dungeon.
  • August 6, 2011
    Generality
    • The Belgariad has the Cherek Bore, a maelstrom that protects the Cherek peninsula from incursion. Chereks have developed a technique to get through it.
    • The World Of Warcraft has a huge maelstrom between continents, but because people mostly fly everywhere, it's not much of an obstacle.
    • Tested by the Mythbusters. Turns out they simply can't get big enough to swallow any reasonably sized ship.
  • August 7, 2011
    Arivne
  • August 7, 2011
    Andygal
    @Arivne yeah, that one.
  • June 24, 2014
    MichelleJHowe
    Alright, found this (very old) YKTTW when I couldn't find a trope page with this. Since it's so old, I went ahead and completely rewrote the page and added a few examples, but I know there's more than this. This trope is ridiculously common, it's just hard to remember where I've seen it. Haha.

    Help with examples would be much appreciated!

    Also would like confirmation from someone that TV Tropes doesn't already have this. xD;

    Aaaaand, this can overlap with Unrealistic Black Hole if we include non-aquatic maelstroms like the time vortex. Any advice on this?

    Oh! And on the name: Mega Maelstrom is nicely alternative and would work, but if anyone thinks of something more clever while still giving someone the right idea, let me know.
  • June 24, 2014
    DAN004
  • June 25, 2014
    Koveras
    • In Ultima IV, getting sucked into a maelstrom while at sea gives you a Fission Mailed message and actually transports you to an otherwise unreachable location which you have to visit in order to finish the game.
    • In Heroes Of Might And Magic III, maelstroms act as maritime portals that instantly transport you to different locations on the map.
  • June 25, 2014
    DAN004
  • June 25, 2014
    MichelleJHowe
    Dan004 - Awesome! Great comparisons. :)

    Koveras - Fantastic! :D I would have never known those.

    Still cleaning up the description and inputing examples as I recall them. I'd like to get lots more before launch since I know this thing is ridiculously common.
  • June 25, 2014
    Generality
    Regarding World of Warcraft, the great maelstrom was present since Warcraft III, and served as an explanation for the lack of travel between the two continents prior to that game.
  • June 25, 2014
    DAN004
    Again, I'd use Maelstrom Of Doom. It implies the danger better than the current title.

    Compare Inevitable Waterfall
  • June 26, 2014
    Arivne
    Several of the OP examples are Zero Context Examples and need more information about how they're this trope, including A Descent Into The Maelstrom, Twenty Thousand Leagues Under The Sea and Once Upon A Time.
  • June 26, 2014
    Paradisesnake
    If the maelstrom is long-lasting enough, it can overlap with Perpetual Storm.
  • June 26, 2014
    MichelleJHowe
    Generality I totally should have caught that! I've been playing since Warcraft II. xD

    Dan004 I did read that the first time, dearie; I was giving it some thought. :) That would be true if they were always dangerous, but they sometimes are just a portal. Friendly Maelstrom! :D Also, it's rather... blase? The whole "of Doom" thing is too far overdone. I far prefer Ryusui's Mega Maelstrom as maelstroms are already known to be dangerous, for the alliterative simplicity for ease of remembrance, and because it immediately implies that the already dangerous maelstrom is unrealistically big which would, naturally, increase the danger. Clear, Concise, and (kinda) Witty. Vetoed! xD Good comparison, though. :D

    Arivne Once Upon A Time was mine, actually, but yeah, I'm going to go back in and put the ones in that I know when I get around to them. Some I don't know, though.

    Paradisesnake Ooo. Nice! :D
  • June 26, 2014
    Paradisesnake
    Is it really necessary to spoiler tag Katara's name in that Avatar The Last Airbender example? I don't see how that information holds any kind of spoiler value.
  • June 26, 2014
    MichelleJHowe
    Paradisesnake I'm unusually cautious about such things as I REALLY hate spoilers. I thought someone (I know this applies to me, anyway) watching the first season wouldn't want to know just HOW good she gets later. I'll take it out if you think it's not necessary, though. :)
  • June 26, 2014
    eowynjedi
    • In The Bellmaker, one of the Redwall books, Joseph and the other abbeydwellers encounter the Green Maelstrom at the end of the swift Roaringburn current, which is legendary for taking ships. They swing around the edge of it, but the pursuing pirate ship isn't so lucky.

    (Side note, is there a trope for sea currents being used as high speed shortcut lanes?)
  • June 26, 2014
    MichelleJHowe
    eowynjedi Ooo, awesome example! (And I don't believe so, though I would question it's trope worthiness. I'd think it'd go under something like a ship navigation Useful Notes or something.)
  • June 26, 2014
    jatay3
    Isn't "Mega Maelstorm" redundant? Calling it a Maelstorm implies that it is "mega" already.
  • June 26, 2014
    MichelleJHowe
    jatay3 See Real Life note in the description; real maelstroms are no where NEAR as big and often look quite different. Many maelstroms don't form a funnel at all and, in fact, are simply two vicious streams of water tearing at each other. Thus this trope and associated name. Coincidentally, this is another reason I like the name: It seems redundant, but isn't; thus, it immediately dispels the myth of this being a normal maelstrom by just the title! Haha. (can we just have Ryusui rename the whole wiki?) Unless you still think it's redundant? o.O If so, let me know. :)

    Side note, added image and caption which SHOULD display correctly once launched, but I'm feeling woefully uncreative at the moment in regards to the caption. It would work but if anyone thinks of something more clever, do let me know. :)
  • June 26, 2014
    Paradisesnake
    ^ A caption could be something like: "The ships in the vortex go round and round..."

    Also, I suggest the following for a page quote:

    The sea is always hungry.
  • June 26, 2014
    MichelleJHowe
    Paradisesnake Please have my children. <3
  • June 26, 2014
    LordGro
    Could go in either Literature or Mythology and Legend
    • Maelstroms are discussed in chapter 6 of Paul the Deacon's History of the Lombards (c. 790 AD). Paul believes maelstroms switch between sucking and emitting water twice a day, thus causing the tides. Especially there is huge maelstrom called "Navel of the Sea" in the North Sea and another one in the Channel near Alderney. One time, an entire fleet was sucked into this latter whirlpool, and only a single survivor managed to cling to a rock in the sea, from where he could see right down into the maelstrom. The man expected to die, when luckily the maelstrom switched from sucking to spitting and threw up the ships it had sucked in; the man managed to grab one of the ships and made it back to land.
  • June 26, 2014
    oneuglybunny
    Western Animation
    • The closing bars of Darla Dimple's Villain Song in Cats Dont Dance show Danny and Sawyer circling each other while caught in a vortex, looking appropriately scared and doomed. Fortunately, this scene exists only in Darla's mind, but it illustrates just how craven and ruthless she is in order to maintain her prima donna status at Mammoth Studios.
  • June 30, 2014
    LordGro
    Some actual content on Charybdis. Charybdis is not the Ur Example; the Ur Examples are real whirlpools.

    Mythology
    • In Classical Mythology, Charybdis is a sea-monster that causes whirlpools. Charybdis lives in a sea-strait, often specified as the Strait of Messina (where tidal whirlpools occur). Thrice a day, Charybdis swallows huge amounts of water and thus creates a maelstrom. After a time, it spits the water out again; afterwards there is a period of calm before Charybdis begins to swallow again.
      • In The Odyssey, Charybdis is situated under a rock which is opposite to a cliff inhabited by the sea-monster Scylla. When Odysseus sails through the strait, he stays as far away from Charybdis as possible, following Circe's advice who had warned him that not even Poseidon can save ships that are sucked into Charybdis' whirlpool. When the shipmates are watching the maelstrom in terror from a safe distance, six of them are seized and eaten by Scylla.
      Later, Odysseus' ship has been wrecked by a storm, and Odysseus is drifting on a piece of wreckage back into the strait, when Charybdis starts to suck in the sea. The raft is sucked into the whirlpool, but Odysseus manages to hold on to a branch of the large fig tree growing on the rock above Charybdis. At evening, Charybdis regurgitates the water, and the raft comes up again. Odysseus recovers it and paddles away.
      • In book 3 of The Aeneid, Aeneas' fleet of Trojan refugees draws near the Strait of Messina with the intent to pass it, when the growing current and a thundering noise make them realize at the last moment that they are approaching the infamous Charybdis. They immediately turn around and row for their lives, and, hours later and utterly exhausted, manage to escape the suction of Charybdis.
    • Norse Mythology: According to Prose Edda, King Frodi of Denmark had a magical mill called Grotti which was so huge it had to be turned by two giantesses. Grotti was robbed by the viking Mysingr, who loaded it on his ship and used it to create salt. But his greed was so great that he did not make the mill stop even when the salt was becoming too heavy, and the ship went down. The mill is still turning on the sea-bottom, making the sea salty and causing a maelstrom where the sea falls into the mill-eye.
  • July 3, 2014
    MichelleJHowe
    Lord Gro Awesome stuff! The Prose Edda one is kind of hard to place in either mythology or literature, but I went with mythology for now. I changed the wording a bit on the Charybdis one since I wouldn't say whirlpools are the Ur Example (they don't actually suck ships in or even look like this, after all) they just served as the basis for it. Still works, though! :D

    oneuglybunny Holy crap! How... that animation played for, like, two seconds! Awesome eye (and/or memory)!

    I still have to add a relevant Real Life example or two of Mega Maelstrom's baby cousins at some point. I think the original inspiration for Charybdis and Poe's work would work. I'll get to that eventually. Kind of swamped with work and deadlines, atm.
  • July 4, 2014
    oneuglybunny
    ^ Well, CDD is one of my fave movies. Anyway, nudder one comin':

    Western Animation
    • The villainous aquatic mutant Adolpho from "A Creep In The Deep" episode of Loonatics Unleashed can orchestrate sea creatures to swim in unison to create vortexes that swallow bridges, seaside condos and luxury liners.
  • July 4, 2014
    oneuglybunny
    Oops, did it again...

    Film
    • The sea witch Ursula from Disney's The Little Mermaid, having wrested the crown and trident away from King Triton, stirs the sea until she has formed a huge vortex, with mermaid Ariel trapped on dry sea bed at its bottom. Ursula then toys with poor Ariel, who has little room to dodge the deadly bolts.
  • July 5, 2014
    LordGro
    Giving some meat to a few Zero Context examples:

    Literature
    • In Edgar Allan Poe's short story "A Descent Into the Maelstrom" (1841), the narrator is awed by watching the "Moskoe-strom" (it should be Moskstraumen or Moskenstraumen), described as a gigantic whirlpool of "more than a mile in diameter", from a mountain top in the Lofoten islands. His guide, a local fisherman, then tells him a story of how he and his two brothers were sucked into the Moskoe-strom in the middle of a storm. While the fisherboat was spiralling at high speed around the edge of the funnel, the fisherman had time to observe that small, cylindrical objects were sucked slower into the funnel than other objects. By lashing himself to an empty barrel, the man managed to outlast the whirlpool and was saved, while his elder brother clung to the fishing boat and was sucked down. This is the Trope Codifier for the modern era.
    • At the end of Jules Verne's Twenty Thousand Leagues Under The Sea (1869), Professor Aronnax and his friends are just trying to flee from the Nautilus in one of her skiffs, when they realize the submarine has been caught by the Lofoten maelstrom. They want to turn back, but the current rips the skiff away from the Nautilus. Professor Arronax then loses consciousness by bumping his head; when he comes to he and his friends are in safety in a fisherman's hut in the Lofoten. He doesn't know how they escaped the maelstrom, or whether the Nautilus escaped.

    The following example refers to this map; we could create a Maps category or just put it under Other:
    • The Carta Marina of Olaus Magnus (1539) depicts a large swirl in the sea amid the Lofoten islands, captioned Hec est horrenda Caribdis ("This is the horrible Charybdis"). There is also a small ship in the middle of the maelstrom that is apparently just being sucked down.
  • July 10, 2014
    MichelleJHowe
    oneuglybunny - I was just about the add the Little Mermaid one! xD Great stuff.

    Lord Gro - Hey, thanks. Saves me the trouble of looking it up. :D

    I also added some Real Life examples. Kinda wish I watched more Anime. xD; Anyone know if One Piece ever had one of these?
  • July 10, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ Not sure if this counts
    • In One Piece, this is actually exploited by the heroes once: Near the end of Enies Lobby arc, Sanji secretly sneaked out of his boat to hijack the control of the giant door on the waters they're on, causing it to slowly shut down and create giant whirlpools and water currents. The big Marine ships have difficulty on navigating through the currents, but the much smaller Straw Hat ship doesn't.
  • July 10, 2014
    MichelleJHowe
    Dan004 - I'm... actually not sure. o.O It sounds like it does, though. I also found a character called "Jinbe/Jimbei" apparently creating one in Epsiode 450 at about 6:10. Not sure how to phrase it, though; does he create them by magic? Is it a machine that's doing it? Are they naturally occurring here? xD;
  • July 10, 2014
    oneuglybunny
    Video Games
    • Dirk the Daring, the hero of Dragons Lair, at one point must pilot a rowboat along a subterranean watercourse, dodging maelstroms left and right. If Dirk times himself correctly, he can skirt the vortexes and continue downstream; otherwise, Dirk goes down the vortex to his doom.
  • July 11, 2014
    Arivne
    Tabletop Games
    • Dungeons And Dragons. The monster fish known as the Afanc could swim in circles and create a whirlpool powerful enough to suck a ship up to 60 feet long down to the bottom.
  • July 11, 2014
    LordGro
    It would be nice if the description could tell more about the physics of real maelstroms. I found this article, which seems to be well-researched, and which claims that tidal maelstroms do not exert any suction at all; as in, a floating object near a maelstrom will be carried in circles but not actually drawn towards the center. But maybe there are people out there who can sort out this stuff better than me.

    More information on the Mythbusters test would also be nice, as the article I just linked actually dismisses their results because they did not create a real vortex.
  • July 15, 2014
    MichelleJHowe
    oneuglybunny and Arivne - Great examples, guys! :D

    Lord Gro - Nice find! I changed it a bit. I think what I did should work since if people want to learn about it beyond the basics, they can research it, and the two currents flowing against each other sums up pretty much what you need to know with the additions. Unless you still think there should be more? And someone else might know more about the Mythbusters test, but I've never seen it personally.

  • July 16, 2014
    Chernoskill
    Literature / Role-Playing Games

    • In the Dragonlance world of Krynn, at the center of the Blood Sea of Istar lies a giant vortex known as the Maelstrom. It was created when the Gods destroyed the city of Istar during the Cataclysm. The Maelstrom constantly stirs up the soil causing the water to look red which is how the sea got its name, though the legend on Krynn was that the color was really caused by the blood of all those who died in Istar.
  • July 16, 2014
    SeptimusHeap
    Added a hat, since I do not see any issues with the description (and the Real Life aspects in my mind don't need much commentary).
  • July 16, 2014
    Dalillama
    Charybdis also makes an appearance in Pyramid Scheme.
  • July 16, 2014
    LordGro
    Sorry I have to play the part of the devil's advocate again, but I don't think it is ready to launch. Not because of the RL stuff, but because the style of the description needs polish. The entire line about the guy losing his lunch seems rather distracting. Since the trope has no inherent relation with Vomit Discretion Shot, it shouldn't mention it. No hat from me at this point.

    For a start, I have removed all the sinkholes to YMMV tropes like Crazy Awesome, What An Idiot and Understatement. Pretty sure that as a rule, YMMV items should not be potholed or linked from the main wiki. Also, the pothole to Too Dumb To Live was just a sinkhole in my eyes, and mentioning the name of the trope in a trope description is not a Title Drop.

    I also want to bring up the trope name once more. While I consider "Mega Maelstrom" at "acceptable" level, I'd like to throw in two possible alternatives that occured to me, because strained alliterations have really begun to grate on me.
  • July 16, 2014
    Elementis
    Legend Of Zelda:The Wind Waker does then when you choose to teleport when at sea, or when you fight one of the giant sea octoroks.
  • July 16, 2014
    DAN004
    ^^ maybe add that ppl tend to liken a maelstrom with the whirling water seen on a sink, which does suck.
  • July 16, 2014
    DAN004
    • In Crash Bandicoot 2, whirlpools are a common obstacle in the river levels. Get too close into it and you'll be sucked into the river, costing you a life.
  • July 17, 2014
    MichelleJHowe
    I'll just say "thanks for the examples and feedback guys!" and put them in. Blanket thanks all around.

    Lord Gro - Actually, I agree with most of your points and were aware of them. Thus why I said I was going to polish the description later. For reasons already stated, the name stays. Plus:

    • Into The Maelstrom - Often, but frequently it doesn't. Apealing because of the trope codifier, but it sounds more like an event than an object. Even if it is a very large object, I feel it doesn't really fit.
    • Maelstroms Suck - I DO like consistency on TV Tropes, but this trope isn't about Malestroms sucking, it's about them being unrealistically large. They also frequently do NOT suck just as often as they do. Maelstroms are frequently good things in fiction as well, so the other definition of "suck" doesn't work either. This would be trying to shoehorn the trope into something it isn't for the sake of supposed consistency. Though I see what you were trying to go for and, like I said, I like consistency. I just don't feel it's accurate nor does it feel like it meshes with the other Suck tropes. Plus Everythings Worse With Snowclones.
    • Mega Maelstrom - [See older post's explanation] and it's inclusive of all versions of this trope. And I have a soft spot for alteration (and so does TV Tropes in general, it seems, so it's consistent as well) so too bad. :P I'd hardly call it strained, but that's me.

    Also, I could be completely wrong about this, but isn't it normally considered rude edit someone else's YKTTW? I've never seen edits by someone other than the person who's running the show. Still, no harm done, and your removals are fine. I mostly just did them because it had been awhile since I've edited anything and was experimenting. Plus it's so overdone, it's habit. xD;

    I feel mixed about the opening paragraph, though. I'll look up some guidelines for guidance. EDIT: Wanted to keep something a little humorous, but you're right that it didn't really relate. Changed. :) I've also learned that folders are the new default. Also changed. xD;
  • July 18, 2014
    randomsurfer
    Non-controversial edits to a ykttw (such as formatting) by someone other than the sponsor are encouraged, since once you post it to ykttw, just like a trope page proper, it isn't "yours."
  • July 19, 2014
    MichelleJHowe
    Fantastic! :D I've just never see it done. o.O Or does the "edited" go away if the original sponsor edits? Plus I know launching someone else's YKTTW is still taboo. (And, in this case, thank you ever so much for the edit, Lord Gro! Saves me from removing it all. Haha. Not to mention all your other help and feedback and general awesomeness.)

    So... what is considered controversial? I glanced through the YKTTW administrava page but I didn't find anything. Though, I have historically been blind as a bat when looking for things. xD

    Also, sidenote: I don't want to seem stubborn about the name thing; this is everyone's TV Tropes, after all. I just strongly feel it fits the guidelines the best.

Three days must pass before this YKTTW is Launchworthy or Discardable

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