Created By: PMiller1 on February 27, 2011 Last Edited By: MorningStar1337 on June 5, 2015
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Fictional Zodiac

The astrological equivalent to the Con-Lang

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Fictional Zodiac Theme (You can edit this, To make it longer.)

Sometimes Western and Eastern zodiacs and the Druidic Tree Birth Signs just don't cut it. Inventing new zodiac and horoscope systems is a nice way to add depth to a world different from ours, and a completely new birth sign/horoscope system can be used to give a basis for foreign myths and superstitions.

Often they would be related to Constellations, an elemental system, Animal and Mythical Motifs or other themes. As the Western Zodiac as the basics of astrology fictional deviations would be used to inform character traits be connected to destiny. However it is just as likely that they are just parodying those concepts and not take them seriously. Regardless of which, 12 would be the most common number for the signs, as both Eastern and Western variants have themnote 

Compare Constellations, Eastern Zodiac and Western Zodiac.

Examples

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     Fan Works 
  • Fan-written supplemental material for the Ravenloft setting gives it a zodiac based on the symbolism of the Tarokka deck, a Tarot-Expy published for use in Ravenloft games.

     Film  
  • Thir13en Ghosts has the Black Zodiac corresponding to the thirteen ghosts needed to activate Basileus's Machine and open the Ocularis Infernum.

     Literature 
  • In Discworld the Disc has its own version of the zodiac. It involves such signs as The Small Boring Group of Faint Stars and Khefin's Eye 1-4.

     Tabletop Games 
  • Eberron has the Dragonmarked Houses, With 12 Dragonmarked for each Houses. (Phiarlan and Thuranni both use the same Dragonmarked, The Mark of Shadow) and the 12 Moon.

     Video Games 
  • The Elder Scrolls has the thirteen birthsigns that the player can choose during character creation for certain bonuses.
  • Final Fantasy XIV has the Twelve. a pantheon of twelve gods that correspond to an element, a month and a certain type of era. Players can pick one of them for an elemental bonus but this is more for flavor purposes.
  • Pokémon Black and White has introduced a fictional zodiac loosely based on the Western one. The mons Incorporated into his are (in order of month) Sawsbuck, Simipour, Alomomola, Whimsicott, Boffulant, Klink, Crustle, Braviary, Gothorita, Scollipede and Fraxure.

     Western Animation 
  • Kim Possible has "Animology", an color/animal type personality quiz that gets treated like horoscopes (in that some people consider it BS and other don't). There is also an emphasis on "Soul-Mates" (with certain combinations considered to be particularly compatible with others).
  • The Winx Club official site has a fictional zodiac using mythical creatures such as Pegasus, Gryphon, Dragon and Triton.


Community Feedback Replies: 59
  • February 27, 2011
    NateTheGreat
    Marvel Comics has a criminal organization with this theme.
  • February 27, 2011
    PMiller1
    Oh Nice. Westerm or Eastern?
  • February 27, 2011
    Arivne
    Edit: Western Zodiac examples deleted because this YKTTW has shifted to fictional Zodiacs.
  • February 27, 2011
    PMiller1
    Er... It would nice if you tell us if it Westerm Zodiac or Eastern Zodiac.
  • February 27, 2011
    peccantis
    Does it make any real difference? I'd wager the eastern zodiac is used similarly.
  • February 27, 2011
    AymNaija
    Can you explain this trope a little better? I'm thinking its when something uses the zodiac eastern or western as its theme but that'd make more sense to be on those pages.
  • February 27, 2011
    kuyanJ
    I think you mean Motif, rather than brand?

    The trolls in Homestuck each correspond to a zodiac sign.
  • February 27, 2011
    PMiller1
    Take a Look at The World Ends With You and Dragonmarked Houses (Add Them Myself). Mega Corp that use the ever Zodiac for they 12 Brands.
  • February 27, 2011
    PMiller1
    @Knyan J: No, Maga Corp that use 12 (or 13) Brands that have some Zodiac theme in theme.

    I think I should remove the Zodiac Killer, Becasue that well... Thay not really Brands of any corporations, Just some one who's name after the Zodiac.
  • February 27, 2011
    cocoy0
    Zodiac motif? Would that be like the various mobile suits in Gundam Wing? (e.g., Leo, Aries, Virgo)
  • February 27, 2011
    PMiller1
    @cocoy0: I didn't say it was Zodiac Motif.
  • February 27, 2011
    Mozgwsloiku
    the mass produced mecha in Gundam Wing series are named after zodiac signs, starting with the most basic leo and aries, through fully robotic virgo, ending with the Libra cannon.
  • February 27, 2011
    Stratadrake
    Zodiac Brand Name is too specific. Expanding it to motifs in general seems better, though I could swear we should have a zodiac-themed article already....
  • February 28, 2011
    PMiller1
    Alright. I rename is as Zodiac Motif.
  • February 28, 2011
    Koveras
    Actually, we already have this motif covered under Western Zodiac and Eastern Zodiac respectively.
  • February 28, 2011
    PMiller1
    ... Good Point.
  • February 28, 2011
    Euodiachloris
    What if you get mixed-up systems? Any elemental system that e.g. uses Eastern AND Western pick-'n-mix symbology. Avatar the Last Airbender is almost a case of this: Air may be a part of Buddhist thought, but it's not part of the Eastern Zodiac associations you see for the year signs (in the Library). For 'Air' in the Western sense of the signs, you need to look to aspects of the Wooden and Metal signs in Eastern. Just a thought.
  • February 28, 2011
    Koveras
    Fictional Zodiac could be a new trope, if there are enough examples.

  • February 28, 2011
    PMiller1
    Yes, That Will do :D
  • February 28, 2011
    Bisected8
    In Discworld the disc has its own version of the zodiac (they are currently in the Year of the Fruitbat).
  • February 28, 2011
    INUH
    Isn't the Eberron example a lineage thing?
  • February 28, 2011
    PMiller1
    @INUH: Well the Dragonmarked do see like Eberron Zodiac. I don't know really.
  • March 1, 2011
    INUH
    I don't think it works, though, as not everyone gets a dragonmark. I'm a little rusty on my Eberron, but don't you have to be born into one of the families? Not to mention that there are "abberant dragonmarks," which are entirely new ones created when two of them mix in a way that just doesn't work for a zodiac.

    http://eberron.wikia.com/wiki/Dragonmarks
  • March 1, 2011
    randomsurfer
    • In Mostly Harmless the discovery of the 10th planet, nicknamed Rupert, throws all of astrology into chaos.
      What about all those star charts and planetary motions and so? We all knew (apparently) what happened when Neptune was in Virgo, and so on, but what about when Rupert was rising? Wouldn't the whole of astrology have to be rethought? Wouldn't now perhaps be a good time to own up that it was all just a load of hogwash and instead take up pig-farming, the principles of which were founded on some kind of rational basis? If we'd known about Rupert three years ago, might President Hudson have been eating the boysenberry flavour on Thursday rather than Friday? Might Damascus still be standing? That sort of thing.
  • March 1, 2011
    PMiller1
    Well how about the Eberron's Moons?
  • March 1, 2011
    Bisected8
    The Elder Scrolls isn't a mobile phone game....
  • March 2, 2011
    INUH
    ^^Possibly. I don't actually know much about those, so you'll need to be more specific. Do they act as a zodiac in any way?
  • March 3, 2011
    PMiller1
    Well, They do go like One Moon for One Month and 12 Zodiac are like the 12 Month.
  • March 3, 2011
    INUH
    Well, then, I'd say they're definitely an example.
  • March 7, 2011
    PMiller1
    Thank You.
  • June 7, 2011
    cocoy0
    So, is it more like Dragonlance's Krynn constellations? Paladine, Takhisis, Reorx, Mishakal, etc.)
  • June 7, 2011
    featherwings
    Or perhaps, Kingdom of Loathing's Zodiac?
  • February 18, 2012
    Catbert
    Bump
  • February 18, 2012
    KZN02
    Pokemon: Gen 5 introduces a horoscope
  • May 23, 2014
    SharleeD
    • Fan-written supplemental material for the Ravenloft setting gives it a zodiac based on the symbolism of the Tarokka deck, a Tarot-Expy published for use in Ravenloft games.
  • February 9, 2015
    jormis29
    Who wants to grab this?
  • February 9, 2015
    MorningStar1337
    I'll take this then.
  • February 10, 2015
    StarSword
    The signs in The Elder Scrolls apply to the whole franchise, not just Oblivion.
  • February 10, 2015
    Generality
    Made a correction to the Discworld example.
  • February 10, 2015
    VoidKnightsc
    Does this have to be a whole Zodiac system, or does it include fictional constellations? Or would that be a separate (super) trope?

    Dragonlance has a whole bunch of constellations but I'm not very familiar with them.
  • February 10, 2015
    Karalora
    Discworld also has constellations associated with the time of one's birth. Rincewind's birth sign is the Small Boring Group of Faint Stars.
  • February 10, 2015
    MorningStar1337
    ^^ The former, Fictional Constellations are in internal subtrope to a trope I made long ago
  • February 11, 2015
    randomsurfer
    Monty Pythons Flyingcircus: In the "What the Stars Foretell" sketch, the two characters are born under Derry & Toms (Mrs. Trepidatious) and Basil (Mrs. O).
  • February 11, 2015
    MorningStar1337
    I;m gonna need specification on if this is under "made-up constellations" or this before adding (though the latter is pretty likely).
  • February 12, 2015
    randomsurfer
    Mrs O: What are you?
    Mrs Trepidatious: I'm Nesbitt.
    Mrs O: There's not a zodiacal sign called Nesbitt.
    Mrs Trepidatious: All right, Derry and Toms.
    Mrs O: (surveying paper) Aquarius, Scorpio, Virgo, Derry and Toms. April 29th to March 22nd. Even dates only.
    [snip[
    Mrs Trepidatious: Mmm. What's yours, Irene?
    Mrs O: Basil.
    Mrs Trepidatious: I'm sorry, what's yours, Basil?
    Mrs O: No. That's my star sign, Basil.
    Mrs Trepidatious: There isn't a...
    Mrs O: Yes there is, Aquarius, Sagittarius, Derry and Toms, Basil. June 21st to June 22nd.
  • February 12, 2015
    MorningStar1337
    ^ I don't think it counts then. This trope seems geared more to fictional zodiac systems, not inserting a gag into existing ones
  • February 18, 2015
    randomsurfer
    It'd be a Downplayed example, IMO.
  • February 18, 2015
    MorningStar1337
    ^ still I think it might be better served in Constellations instead. I'll consider adding the example.
  • February 21, 2015
    SteveMB
    Depending on whether it requires a tie to the constellations, "Animology" ("a lame cross between astrology and a personality quiz") in the Kim Possible episode "Animal Attraction" might fit.

  • February 21, 2015
    MorningStar1337
    ^The Constellations aspect is not needed, only the Greek zodiac has a direct tie to the constellations. Still I'm gonna need more infomation on that (it's been a while since I last watched Kim Possible that the only thing I remember is that Kim finds it pseudoscience because of Senor Senior Jr.)
  • February 26, 2015
    SteveMB
    Basically, it assigns a color-animal combination (Kim turns out to be a "blue fox", for example). It's not really clear how much the "astrology" part enters into it (most of the references are to the "personality quiz" part), so it might be a pretty weak example.

  • February 26, 2015
    MorningStar1337
    Fair enough I'll add it.
  • February 27, 2015
    Illemar
    The Discworld example is not of a zodiac. It's just a naming system of centuries and isn't tied to birth signs.

    • The Discworld zodiac involves such signs as The Small Boring Group of Faint Stars and Khefin's Eye 1-4.
  • March 17, 2015
    MorningStar1337
    Okay are there any examples? Anything wrong with the description?
  • April 6, 2015
    MorningStar1337
    Okay, I need help extending the description, any ideas?
  • April 6, 2015
    GiorgioDaneri
    Web Original
    • The Winx Club official site has a fictional zodiac using mythical creatures such as Pegasus, Gryphon, Dragon and Triton.
  • April 8, 2015
    MorningStar1337
    Okay can we expand on the description?
  • June 5, 2015
    Lythande
    The Eberron example needs rewritten for grammar, but I'm not familiar with it to be confident in doing so.

    I would add the Ravenloft example up above under a "fan works" category.

    I'm not sure what to add to the description, except that it's common for them to tie into constellations... May also be tied to elements, animals, plants, or for the very creative something entirely different. I think it says pretty much anything it needs to, really (and I like what it says)... Say it doesn't have to be taken seriously? May or may not grant powers (especially in games) or inform the personality of characters? There's probably a directly proportionate link between how seriously it's taken in-universe and how much it informs the characters, and someone who defies the characteristics of their zodiac is likely to be some sort of Chosen One or deliver an Aesop about fighting fate. (I have no examples to back that up, mind.)

    See also Eastern Zodiac, Western Zodiac, Constellations... goes on Stellar Index (and hopefully more I can't find at the moment, because one index is sad).

    Possible page image from here: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Birthsigns_(Oblivion)
  • June 5, 2015
    MorningStar1337
    ^ I feel like such an idiot right now...

    Anyway I expanded the description. I'll launch it around Monday
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=c4bmwdepvok0eohrlv3oai0w