Created By: JSL on March 14, 2012

Maturity Through Immaturity

Blood, tits and saying "fuck" alot = mature

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The story telling technique which substitutes gore, nudity and swearing for actual maturity.
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  • March 14, 2012
    Aries
    Well, the thing is, those things ARE mature. Its the reason why those things bump the rating from PG-13 to R. Sure they may be used in an immature way, but, blood, tits, and saying "fuck" alot DOES = mature.
  • March 14, 2012
    c0ry
    Perhaps "Maturity Is Obscene" might be a better title. What you're trying to do is show when possibly shocking overuse of "adult" topics are used to indicate maturity.
  • March 14, 2012
    Catbert
    I get the feeling that this will turn into an argument about the meaning of maturity. This also sound suspiciously like a complaining "trope".
  • March 14, 2012
    DragonQuestZ
    I have seen some In Universe reviews and videos that comment on this, such as some on Atop The Fourth Wall.
  • March 14, 2012
    JSL
    "Maturity Is Obscene"? I like it! Thanks for the suggestion,c0ry
  • March 14, 2012
    TBeholder
    Attempt At Maturity?
  • March 14, 2012
    Aries
    "Maturity is Obscene" is a much better title. I like it myself. It puts the trope on the more neutral side, and less like a "complaining trope" like Carbert says. And even if that were the case, it could be a subjective trope placed in the YMMV.

    I STILL see one problem though... Can you tell us what seperates this from Avoid The Dreaded G Rating?
  • March 14, 2012
    DragonQuestZ
    That is to avoid alienating audiences. This is "our work is mature because we tackle mature matter... which is boobs, blood, and bad language".
  • March 14, 2012
    captainpat
    I can't see anyway that this won't devolve into complaining. Also it's definitely not a trope.
  • March 15, 2012
    Deboss
    I'm with captainpat.
  • March 15, 2012
    TheChainMan
    This is the reason some fanfics and fansubs have Obligatory Swearing: to show they're more mature, the former than the source work, the later than Western animation.
  • March 15, 2012
    Koveras
    Lampshaded in a few Zero Punctuation reviews. I think it was either about Gears Of War or some Dark Fantasy RPG.
  • March 15, 2012
    JSL
    @Aries, I'm not talking about Avoid The Dreaded G Rating. I'm talking about works where the G rating isn't even considered, or at the very least go far, Far beyond what is need to avoid the G rating.
  • March 15, 2012
    Catbert
    I think this Needs A Better Description before I can really judge its merits or try to provide examples.
  • June 23, 2012
    Noah1
  • June 23, 2012
    Xtifr
    Sounds like Darker And Edgier But More So to me.
  • June 23, 2012
    Andygal
    No this is when a work tries to be Darker and Edgier but has a superficial view of what that actually entails.
  • June 23, 2012
    Psi001
    This is an attempt to be Darker And Edgier but still from a very juvenile point of view, since many will tell you there is more to mature content than just being graphic and explicit.

    • A common complaint issued to Shadow The Hedgehog which was largely maintained a similar cheesiness as the previous Sonic titles, albeit with cliche concepts such as guns, blood and extremely forced swearing added to the mix.
  • June 23, 2012
    Xtifr
    "Still from a very juvenile point of view" is very common with Darker And Edgier. I'm not seeing the distinction.
  • June 23, 2012
    randomsurfer
    Played With in this Calvin And Hobbes strip:
    Calvin: The TV listings say this movie has "adult situations." What are adult situations?
    Hobbes: Probably things like going to work, paying bills and taxes, taking responsibilities...
    Calvin: Wow, they don't kid around when they say "For Mature Audiences."
  • October 14, 2015
    Noah1
  • October 14, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ I don't bump defective ykktws like this for a reason, son.
  • October 15, 2015
    Snicka
    As far as I remember, a YKTTW with the very similar concept (a work trying to act mature by adding a lot of profanity, sex and violence, but still do it in a childish way) was discarded quite recently, because "mature" and "immature" are way too subjective terms to decide whether a work belongs to either or the other category.
  • October 15, 2015
    robinjohnson
    This needs to be a lot less complainy, but if it becomes a usable trope, I suggest this for the page quote:

    "I find that if you take the various popular song forms to their logical extremes, you can arrive at almost anything from the ridiculous to the obscene, or, as they say in New York, sophisticated."
  • October 15, 2015
    DAN004
    ^^ Was it "Supposedly Mature Series"?

    Yeah, all these talks about maturity makes me wondering what the hell "being mature" is supposed to be. I wish it isn't "agreeing with the majority".
  • October 16, 2015
    Snicka
    ^ Yeah, I think that was the name.

    I think "mature" can mean "addressing complex (social, political, psychological etc.) issues in an intelligent, insightful way" - i.e. the show is for adults because it addresses issues too complex for a child. And this trope is meant to be "using a lot of profanity, while still having a naive view on these issues" - i.e. the show is for adults only because its vulgarity is inappropriate for children.
  • October 16, 2015
    Rjinswand
    ^ So it's pretty much just a play on words, on 2 different meanings of the word "mature":
    • "Themes that are considered serious and associated with psychological and emotional maturity"
    • "Age rating that encompasses everything considered inappropriate for children"

    Anyways, I personally find the presumption that psychologically and emotionally mature adults are expected to appreciate only intelligent and insightful discussions of complex sociopolitical issues and can't enjoy some purely non-serious subtext-free entertainment, a bit... immature :)
  • October 16, 2015
    DAN004
    And then here's me thinking that it's nothing bad for a work to have profanity, high-level violence, sex etc and not explore them in an insightful way. There might've been more interesting things than thinking too deeply about those, especially in Camp works or those who are in the "silly" side of Sliding Scale Of Silliness Versus Seriousness. See: Rule Of Cool, Rule Of Fun, and maybe Rule Of Sexy.

    Tl;dr they don't have to be (called) "immature" just for doing it.
  • October 16, 2015
    robinjohnson
    Calling swearing and sexual content "immature" is highly subjective (and, in the case of sexual content, manifestly wrong.) Should this be called something like Maturity Is Obscene? (Er, not that "obscene isn't subjective... this is a problem.)
  • October 16, 2015
    Rjinswand
    Really, it's just a play on words. Do we actually need it as a trope?
  • October 16, 2015
    lakingsif
    Isn't there a very similar yk running around called something like Immature Maturity right now?

    EDIT: It's Supposedly Mature Series, and I personally think they should be merged for a generic "Maturity Is Obscene" or "Maturity Is Juvenile" trope,
  • October 16, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ "Maturity is Juvenile" sounds like an oxymoron.

    Maturity Is Obscene is okay... or maybe Refuge In Maturity instead? (See Refuge In Audacity cuz it's related too)
  • October 16, 2015
    Snicka
    ^ Well, we also have Refuge In Vulgarity, which is currently a redirect to Vulgar Humor (which is also related to this).
  • October 17, 2015
    Rjinswand
    ^ So if we have Refuge In Vulgarity and Refuge In Audacity, why do we need this one then?
  • October 17, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ Because someone finds the idea that those things being called "mature" is ridiculous. Well, I can only blame the age rating system for that...
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