Created By: ScorpionGame on July 9, 2013 Last Edited By: ScorpionGame on July 12, 2013
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The Challenger

A tough, secondary character challenges the hero, establishing the true pack leader for the audience

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The Badass Challenger is a big, tough, minor character who steps up and challenges the hero's authority in front of everyone. This is often seen in Proud Warrior Clans and war movies/novels. The hero wants to go north, but the Badass Challenge says "we go south." In seconds, the Challenger goes berserk, drawing his weapons and saying "who are you to tell me what to do?" This is a dick measuring contest of the finest order and helps establish the hero as the true Badass, who puts the challenger in his place with physical violence, a Death Stare or a cold threat, spoken low. After the Badass Challenger submits to the true hero's authority, they often have a manly laugh about it.

Example:

  • Minor spoilers for Game of Thrones*

One of the finest examples of this is when Greatjon challenges Rob Stark at his first war planning session. He openly threatens Robb's legitimacy to lead them and draws his sword. Rob's Dire Wolf attacks, taking off two of Greatjon's fingers. Greatjon submits and they all have a manly laugh together.
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  • July 9, 2013
    StarSword
  • July 10, 2013
    ScorpionGame
    Hmm. So are you referring to the title "Badass Challenger" as a Snowclone? I guess I can see it, but a quick search shows that there are at least a dozen tropes named for "Badass" on the site, so I am not sure it qualifies, unless we are removing all of them. There is the "Badass Princess," the "Badass Pacifist," the "Badass Bookworm," etc, etc. The "Badass Challenger" is a technique writers use to established who is the toughest guy on the block for readers. It is directly related to the Badass character trope, just as the pacifist and bookworm variations are as well. I also feel that folks will be able to more easily identifiable if it is related to other tropes based on the title, as clearly the writers of "Badass Pacifist" and other did as well. Please explain a bit more if you disagree as I am open to hearing what folk have to say. This is my first attempt at a trope after all. Thanks for the reply.
  • July 10, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    ^ Actually, the problem is that there are too many badass tropes on this site already. A new trope-to-be is a lot more welcome in many a troper's eyes if it doesn't have the word badass in its title.
  • July 10, 2013
    MissKitten
    How about simply The Challenger? The badass part seems a bit redundant.
  • July 10, 2013
    Arha
    All the tropes with badass in their name is what makes them a snowclone in the first place. We're trying to get rid of them.
  • July 10, 2013
    ScorpionGame
    LOL. All right. Good to know. I am cool with The Challenger.
  • July 10, 2013
    DamianYerrick
    Top two YKTT Ws as I write this are "The Challenger" and "Strapped To A Rocket". That got me thinking that readers are likely to confuse it with the Space Shuttle that broke apart violently in January 1986 when an O-ring failed less than two minutes after liftoff.
  • July 10, 2013
    ScorpionGame
    Also, I'm sure it's all established cannon by now, but I might as well throw my hat into the ring anyway. I like tropes that are related to have similar names. I can see the desire to have them all sport unique names, but for understanding how tropes are linked, similar naming can act as a kind of mnemonic device. It's just easier to remember. If every name is different, just to be different, it can be confusing. Perhaps another topic like this is out there on the site, but because it's a strange name it doesn't get found and nobody uses it. But if you allow people to search naturally, based on things easy to remember, it can really help the deep linking concept the site uses. I'm sure this has already been hashed out a 100 times here, but I stand firmly on the side of similar naming for related concepts as a good thing. Of course, if the group decides otherwise, so be it.
  • July 11, 2013
    ScorpionGame
    How about the Number One Challenger, to borrow a phrase from boxing? Or Maybe the Number One Contender? Or we could just flip it back to Badass Challenger and say I was right in the first place. :)
  • July 11, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    ^^ The whole reason a snowclone is considered bad is that it shares a similar name with a trope that it isn't really connected to at all. For example this trope is more about challenging a character's authority and leadership rather than "badassery", which makes it a bad snowclone.
  • July 11, 2013
    DAN004
    Can go hand in hand with Underestimating Badassery.
  • July 11, 2013
    randomsurfer
    Hey here's an idea...how about an example??

  • July 12, 2013
    ChaoticNovelist
    One more in favor of fewer snowclones. 'The Challenger' is alright but 'Authority Challenge' is more to the point. That's the heart of this trope, right? Someone challenging another's authority?
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