Created By: Rikun on February 28, 2012 Last Edited By: Rikun on August 16, 2013
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Force and Finesse

A blunt force/precision slice pairing between fighters

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A subtrope of Red Oni, Blue Oni that could also be related to the Battle Couple.

This particular trope emphasizes the Red Oni, Blue Oni relationship by having a fighting style or weapon that reflects the user's personality. This often results in having a blunt force powerhouse and a precision cutter.

  • "The Force" is blunt, straightforward, and relies on sheer power to get through his battles. More often than not this guy would either use his bare fists or a really big sword to get the job done. He's probably on the slow side, but holy hell does he crush his competition. Expect this guy to be Unskilled, but Strong, at least relative to everyone else.

  • "The Finesse" is much more coolheaded and strategic in combat. He will often use a katana or an equally elegant weapon to slice through his opponents with deadly precision, or if he's unarmed he would prefer the use of karate chops or precision finger strikes. He's much faster than his hotheaded partner and likely weaker in terms of power, which emphasizes his Weak, but Skilled status.

These fighters are either rivals or allies, but often go head to head with each other. And while they're not exactly the same, the contrast between brute force and precision is always apparent whenever they show up.

Examples:

  • Scryed has Kazuma and Ryuhou. Kazuma's Alter gives him a big metal fist while Ryuhou has a stand with blades.
  • Asura's Wrath uses this dynamic with Asura and Yasha. Asura uses his fists for everything while Yasha prefers to use Razor Wind.
  • Fist of the North Star has Kenshiro's fists and Rei's slicing techniques.
  • Guilty Gear contrasts Sol Badguy's BFS with Ky Kiske's more traditional longsword
    • Ragna and Jin share a similar contrast in BlazBlue: Ragna's got his BFS while Jin has his katana.
  • Rurouni Kenshin exhibits this with Kenshin's precision reverse-blade and Sanosuke's BFS. Sanosuke later ditches his sword and relies on his fists, further enhancing this trope.
Community Feedback Replies: 44
  • February 28, 2012
    Chabal2
  • February 28, 2012
    Ryuuma
    Zoro (swordsman, cut) and Sanji (kicks and brute force) from One Piece.
  • February 28, 2012
    lebrel
    Needs A Better Title - the current one doesn't make it clear it's about a character duo
  • February 28, 2012
    TwoGunAngel
    Speaking of Berserk, Guts and Griffith in general. Guts is the BFS-wielding powerhouse of the two, while Griffith relies more on strategy and lethal precision and even wields what looks like a cross between a rapier and a katana.
  • February 28, 2012
    KZN02
    BIONICLE: Nidhiki (cutter, pincers) and Krekka (smasher, arms)
  • February 28, 2012
    thewriter
    The Slammer And The Slicer? The Brute And The Blade? The Smasher And The Slasher?

    Rex and Six from Generator Rex might count. Rex more than often uses his giant mechanical fists to beat down evos while Six uses his skills with a katana to slice and dice opponents.
  • February 29, 2012
    Arivne
    Smasher And Slasher?

    We try to avoid starting a trope name with "the" because it makes it harder to use in a sentence.
  • March 1, 2012
    Rikun
    Bumping up.

    Smasher And Slasher sounds like a good alternate title to me. Any way to change it?
  • March 1, 2012
    lebrel
    ^ Click the pencil at the right under the title block to open the draft for editing, and edit the title window
  • March 1, 2012
    JoeG
    • DC Comics: Hawk and Dove, especially when it was Hank Hall and Dawn Granger.
  • March 2, 2012
    Koveras
    Will go under Duo Tropes.

  • March 3, 2012
    Ryuuma
    Natsu and Gray from Fairy Tail: Natsu is the hot-blooded smasher who use his fire dragon magic and fists to tear enemies apart with raw power. Gray, on the other hand, has many moves that rely on making weapons out of ice, including axes, swords, blades, spears and scythes.
  • March 4, 2012
    pawsplay
    Gotrek and Felix of the Warhammer Fantasy novels are, respectively, a massive dwarf Troll Slayer and a human bard.
  • March 9, 2012
    thewriter
    Bump

  • March 10, 2012
    Koveras
    I feel that "Slasher" in the current title doesn't really bring the point across. It makes it sound like this trope is about duos armed with a blunt and a bladed weapon, which is similar to the intended brute force/precision dichotomy, but not the same. I would suggest Smasher And Fencer but it doesn't rhyme...
  • March 10, 2012
    pawsplay
  • March 12, 2012
    Koveras
    Swiftness doesn't equal weapon finesse.
  • March 12, 2012
    pawsplay
  • March 12, 2012
    MrTerroFace
    Batman:Arkham City has two twin brothers named Sickle and Hammer. Guess what they do.
  • March 13, 2012
    pawsplay
    Promote the cause of the working man?
  • March 13, 2012
    Sandry
  • March 14, 2012
    Koveras
  • March 15, 2012
    thewriter
  • June 23, 2012
    Noah1
  • June 27, 2012
    GeminiSparkSP
    Dante and Vergil? The former being the smasher, while the latter being the slicer.
  • June 30, 2012
    Koveras
    Some Rolling Updates would earn this one my hat...
  • June 30, 2012
    Generality
    Mr. Croup and Mr. Vandemar in Neverwhere. Croup does most of the important hurting, such as assassination and Cold Blooded Torture, because Vandemar's violence is so unwieldy that it's seldom useful except as a vague threat.
  • August 11, 2012
    Noah1
  • August 11, 2012
    Koveras
    OP hasn't been spotted in over a year, someone needs to take over this one and incorporate all the feedback in this thread.
  • August 11, 2012
    acrobox
    An event match where Ike and Marth work together is framed this way in Super Smash Bros Brawl.
  • August 11, 2012
    acrobox
    Maybe call it Precision And Power
  • August 11, 2012
    DrRadon
    "The Princess Bride" has master fencer Inigo Montoya and Fezzik played by Andre the Giant.
  • March 9, 2013
    thewriter
  • March 10, 2013
    Koveras
    ^ The title would appear to exclude female and mixed gender examples...
  • March 10, 2013
    StarSword
  • March 10, 2013
    Arivne
    Tabletop Games
    • Dungeons And Dragons module T1 The Village of Hommlet. Two of the NPCs living in the Inn of the Welcome Wench are Kobort, a hulking fighter with superhuman strength who has a sword and an axe, and Turoko, a monk who uses daggers in combat.
  • March 10, 2013
    thewriter
    Just Brute And Blade then.

  • April 24, 2013
    Noah1
  • April 24, 2013
    Koveras
    This one needs an updater to actually change the title and add all the examples.
  • April 24, 2013
    acrobox
    I like Force And Finesse because as the description acknowledges it doesnt have to include swords or cutting weapons as Slasher or Blade imply
  • April 24, 2013
    oneuglybunny
    These aren't characters, but they fit the trope's parameter so well:

    Literature
    • Two ancient elven-made swords discovered by Bilbo Baggins and company in Tolkien's The Hobbit are the dagger-like Orcrist and the cutlass-like Glamdrang. The orcs call these weapons "Biter" and "Beater" respectively. Hobbit Bilbo comes to wield Orcrist, while dwarf Thorin wields Glamdrang.
  • April 24, 2013
    Koveras
    Um, actually, Gandalf took Glamdring. Thorin got Orcrist, and Bilbo, an unnamed dagger he dubbed "Sting".
  • April 25, 2013
    oneuglybunny
    Huh, I'd always thought Bilbo simply dubbed Orcrist "Sting" because he was unaware of its history. Orcrist and Glamdrang still glow bluish when near orcs, right? I'm an old grunk, so I may be taking facts from an early printing.

    Ooh, but I can think of another example of dagger versus cutlass:

    Film Animated
    • Peter Pan with a dagger battles Captain Hook with a cutlass in their climactic duel.
  • August 16, 2013
    Rikun
    The original author here, and I'm actually really liking the Force and Finesse title. I've changed it to reflect the new dynamic.
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