Created By: Fomar on April 10, 2012 Last Edited By: Fomar on November 1, 2012

The Badass (Faux)Normal Threshold

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Is the point at which A Badass Normal ceases to be a competent and capable baseline human in a world of Superhumans. And begins to operate on a superhuman level without being recognized as superhuman in-universe.

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  • April 10, 2012
    tdgoodrich1
    You're going to need to expand this quite a bit. I can't even begin to think of any examples because of how vague this description is. Speaking of which, examples beyond the Trope Namer would be helpful. This brings me to the next point: character-named tropes are generally frowned upon here.
  • April 10, 2012
    Lumpenprole
    James Bond would be a competent and capable baseline human. Batman is... well, super-competent is the best way I can describe it. It's worth noting that in DC's Godwave arc, even the non-powered "suits" were affected by it.
  • April 10, 2012
    AmazingLagann
    I believe that Batman would be the only one of about 3 people who fit this. I'd have to bring up a whole list of non supers and go through them one by one.
  • April 10, 2012
    Stratadrake
    Batman anything is a Bad Trope Namer these days.
  • April 11, 2012
    pawsplay
    I'm not even sure this is a real thing. In many cases, Batman is able to hang with the big guys because he has access to heavy firepower.
  • April 11, 2012
    captainsandwich
    i believe thats part of Power Creep Power Seep
  • April 11, 2012
    DmM
    What about the Spartans in Halo? They're basically regular humans who have been given advanced abilities by future tech to the point where they're pretty much superhuman. Noble Team from Halo Reach could easily hold their own against, say, Batman's rogues' gallery. Heck, they'd probably be able to take down Voldemort...
  • April 11, 2012
    kevinj
    The Doctor in Doctor Who is essentially just a below average (passed his exams with 51% at the second attempt) Time Lord, who becomes President, acts as a god deciding the fate of civilations purely on the basis of travelling a lot.

  • April 11, 2012
    JobanGrayskull
    Do you think Gordon Freeman would qualify? He does far, far more than your standard theoretical physicist.
  • April 11, 2012
    ladygem
    Badass Normal Threshold for the name? I don't think the Doctor would count, this should be limited to humans or to aliens who are established to not have anything resembling superpowers. Even if the Doctor's time travel doesn't count, his regenerations would. Gordon Freeman would count, as would Iron Man probably.
  • April 12, 2012
    ScanVisor
  • April 12, 2012
    tdgoodrich1
    ^Context?
  • April 12, 2012
    KingZeal
    Cap is called "peak human", but he often does things like toss an adult human being (wearing armor) a few dozen feet in the air. With one hand.
  • April 12, 2012
    HeartOfAnAstronaut
    Isn't this Charles Atlas Superpower?

    ""Non-superpowered" characters such as Batman could beat almost anyone in a fight, dodge bullets and withstand ridiculous amounts of damage ... Although most of the western versions of this trope don't actually have explicitly supernatural abilities, they can do things that would be absolutely impossible for normal humans."
  • April 12, 2012
    pawsplay
    ^ It is, kind of, but except with some examples using moxy instead of nigh-superpowers. There might be something in the "acts like a super even though isn't one" concept that is distinct from that one.
  • April 12, 2012
    Lumpenprole
    Badass Supernormal?

  • April 12, 2012
    pawsplay
    Like, if you could capture the quality that Batman, the Doctor, John Constantine, and Esme Weatherwax have, that would be the title I would be looking for. Someone who is far more competent when dealing with powerful threats than their weight class would suggest.
  • April 13, 2012
    Fomar
    I called this Trope the Batman Threshold because he was the best example of an observation that I made; if somebody has a cleverer name go for it.

    Simply put many Badass Normals...aren't normal at all. They possess attributes that enable them to function on a superhuman level. And nobody in-universe ever seems to realizes that said character has crossed a "threshold" from being capable competent baseline humans in a world full of superhuman;To being effectively superhuman.

  • April 13, 2012
    Lumpenprole
    ^^Those four together could dethrone God. :D

  • April 14, 2012
    pawsplay
    ^^ That isn't the trope I was thinking of. Probably the work that comes closest to calling this out in-universe is Watchmen. The costumed heroes are aware there is something that separates them qualitatively from normal humans. Additionally, they realize there is something about Ozymandias that makes him as much above them as they are above normal humans. The tricky part to describing this trope is that that different media, different writers treat this exaltation differently. Batman Begins does out of its way to justify his hypercompetence, while the animated series indicates, matter-of-factly, that he is a satori-like master of the martial arts who can transcend ordinary human limits.
  • November 1, 2012
    MarqFJA
    Bump.
  • November 1, 2012
    TheHandle
    ^^^ I'm sure there's some continuity in which they have, in some sense. Except maybe Esme. That we know of.
  • November 1, 2012
    DracMonster
    Is this supposed to be about a Badass Normal getting upgraded? Because Badass Abnormal covers that one.

    If this is about someone being classified as a Badass Normal in-universe when they're beyond human ability by real-world standards, it might work, but might be subject to some edit warring, since a precise delineation is a little hazy -- everything Batman does probably has an argument somewhere that it's possible in Real Life.
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