Created By: MisterDrBob on August 14, 2011

We Have Counted

A villain responds quite literally to a hero's appeals, which have now backfired.

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The villain has the hero captured. The hero makes some protest along the lines of: you don't know what you're unleashing! The villain turns around and states quite explicitly what the hero was going to say, proving that he knows exactly what he's doing, and the hero's pleas don't make a lick of difference. Trope namer is Batman: The Animated Series when Batman tells Ra's al Ghul that his plan will cost countless lives. His reply? "Actually detective, we have counted. 2,056,586,000."
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  • August 14, 2011
    ParadiscaCorbasi
    I think we have this one: this is Unhand Them Villain I think.
  • August 14, 2011
    KingZeal
    No, this is different. Unhand Them Villain is when the hero's Exact Words can be twisted into wickedness. This is basically to subvert Gone Horribly Right: the hero claims that villain can't possibly fathom what they're unleashing, but the villain basically says, "No, we know this is going to be bad. We just don't care."

    That being said, you need to rename. Fast Eddie is going to cut this if it even vaguely sounds like dialogue.

    As for examples... Hm. Maybe this one works, I dunno:

    • In the Iron Man anime series, a Mad Scientist has invented a method of controlling the weather and sold it to the first terrorist group willing to fund him. When someone points out that the terrorists will eliminate him once he's outlived his usefulness, he basically says "So? As long as my research lives on."
  • August 15, 2011
    MisterDrBob
    Ok, so what would you recommend as a new title? I'm fairly sure I've seen some articles with titles that sound like dialogue (If You Kill Him You Will Be Just Like Him comes to mind), but whatevs. If you think it needs a different name, I'll rename. I just don't have any better ideas.
  • August 15, 2011
    KingZeal
    In Dogma this happens when Bethany and Rufus confront the person behind Bartleby and Loki's actions, (it's Azrael) and tell him that, if the pair were to succeed, "everything gets blinked out of existence, even you!" His response? "I'm actually counting on it."
  • August 15, 2011
    Bisected8
    So this is when the hero tries to tell the villain what the side effects of their plan are and the villain responds that they either know and don't care or that it's exactly what they want?

    As a new title; Villain Already Knew, Knows But Doesnt Care, What They Want Anyway, Warning The Villain Of Their Goal, Exactly What Is Planned, Villain Is Counting On It, A Sacrifice The Villains Willing To Make?
  • August 18, 2011
    MisterDrBob
    The entire point is that they know. They may not care, but more often, it's exactly what they want.
  • August 21, 2011
    KingZeal
    Bump. This is a good trope. I'd like to see it get some love.

    How about this as a trope name: Evil Plan Collateral Damage.
  • August 23, 2011
    MisterDrBob
    Mmmmmm....not sure I like that one. I was thinking earlier today "That's The Idea" or Counting On It would be good. Thoughts?
  • August 23, 2011
    Ultrayellow
    Those both sound like it's the actual plan, rather than just a side effect. Unless I'm misunderstanding, it seems the trope is about the villain not caring, not the villain working toward that specific goal.
  • August 25, 2011
    HiddenFacedMatt
    That being said, you need to rename. Fast Eddie is going to cut this if it even vaguely sounds like dialogue.

    This.
  • August 25, 2011
    MisterDrBob
    @Ultrayellow: You have a point there. @ Hidden Faced Matt: Huh?
  • August 25, 2011
    HiddenFacedMatt
    I'm seconding King Zeal's point.
  • March 22, 2012
    HiddenFacedMatt
    Bumping to see if Mister Dr Bob is still interested in going ahead with this trope.
  • March 26, 2012
    MisterDrBob
    Absolutely! Sorry, my school and personal life has gotten hectic. First, I think we need more examples, and I'm still not sold on any of the name suggestions. Thoughts?
  • April 4, 2012
    MisterDrBob
    Another example is the first episode of Fantastic Four Worlds Greatest Heroes when Reed initiates it with "You don't know what you're doing!" and Doom responds with "I know exactly what I'm doing."
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