Created By: MorningStar1337November 17, 2013 Last Edited By: MorningStar1337December 5, 2013
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Legacy Boss Battle

Boss fight from one game appears in another game as a bonus boss

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NOTE: This YKTTW is here because I'm sure that Legacy Boss was a trope. but the article and list of examples was missing. So I'm not sure if it was deleted or move. So I'm making this in the hope of finding it or replacing something that seemed to never existed.

Indexed, Video Game Bosses, Video Game Tropes

A Legacy Boss Battle is a boss from one game that appears as a boss in a later installment, often as a Bonus Boss and as a result generally much harder than the original boss fight. Though some storyline bosses can fit as well.

If the boss' game of origin is from another franchise, than these may be Mythology Gags or Lawyer Friendly Cameos.

Of important note, is that most Legacy bosses are only fight able in the post game and don't have any role in the plot. So Big Bad Final Boss examples don't qualify unless the Big Bad of the game his cameo is in is different, or because the fight feels more familiar than the context would indicate.

Compare and contrast Degraded Boss, Recurring Boss Template, Previous Player Character Cameo, Sudden Sequel Heel Syndrome and Giant Space Flea From Nowhere. Nostalgia Level is the Level version.

Examples

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     Action Adventure 

     Hack and Slash 

     Platformer 

     Real Time Strategy 
  • Warcraft III has an optional fight against an enormous monster called the Butcher, a boss from the Diablo series.

     Role Playing Game 

     Turn Based Strategy 


NOTE: I'm not sure if I should Include Previous Player Character Cameos (like Red) or recurring Bonus Bosses (like Baal). However, I'm am sure that bosses that had roles to play in the plots of their debut game and the games they appear in afterwards (Like Xehanort) don't count unless they were a Bonus Boss first (and those case would be inversions). That may change if I rename it Nostalgia Boss Battle.
Community Feedback Replies: 48
  • November 17, 2013
    DAN004
  • November 17, 2013
    DAN004
    Maybe you should explain Red, Baal and Xehanort?
  • November 17, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    ^

    • Red: Previous Player Character Cameo.
    • Baal: The Bonus Boss that appears in most (See the ZHP example for one exception) of Nippon Ichi's titles since La Pucelle, so he might not have a game of origin for the Legacy, instead being a meta Recurring Boss. So I'm not sure if he qualifies for this ether.
    • Xehanort: The Big Bad of the entire Kingdom Hearts Series so far. He and his Gambit Pileup makes him directly and indirectly responsible for the plots of each of the games. as such he doesn't count because (and I'm judging by the DQ 9 example here) he has a role other than Bonus Boss, in fact he's not even a Bonus Boss (except in Birth By Sleep and the Final Mix version of the first game, but those are meant as an Early Bird Cameo for a certain incarnation) and the Big Bad of a particular game is one of his incarnations, so technically not the same person.

    tl;dr I'm not sure if Previous Player Character Cameo examples or recurring Bonus Boss examples qualify for this trope. If they did, than the Rougelike and Turn Based Strategy folders might be a bit bigger.
  • November 17, 2013
    DAN004
    Explain more about Red plz.

    Baal (recurring Bonus Boss) shouldn't count.

    When exactly Xehanort is a Bonus Boss?
  • November 17, 2013
    DAN004
    Laconic: "Boss fight from one game appears in another game"

    You should as "as a Bonus Boss" there. Otherwise it's Recurring Boss.

    BTW, another
    • In Mega Man Zero 3, taking a secret detour in the second fortress stage will take you to a teleporter. Go inside, and you'll meet Phantom from the first game, or rather his "ghost" since he died. Defeat him and you'll get the Infinity Plus One Foot Chip.
  • November 17, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    ^^ Red was the protagonist of Pokemon Red/Blue/Green/Yellow and thus not a boss, until Generation II.

    As for Xehanort two if his incarnations were bonus bosses (Xemnas in KH Final mix, and Young Xehanort in Birth By Sleep), however they were both Earlybird cameoes, so I don't think they qualify.
  • November 18, 2013
    DAN004
    ^ Then Red is Previous Player Character Cameo. :P

    @Xehanort: Is there any story leading to the bonus fight itself?
  • November 18, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    ^ @Red: duh =P

    @Xehanort: The Xemnas fight has him appear, there's some dialogue, but I for got what it is. The Young Xehanort one has zero context whatsoever, in fact you can only face him in a New Game Plus. Of course since they were meant as Checkhov's Gunmen and play major roles in II and DDD, respectively. that I'm sure that they don't count, even if there is story leading to the fight.
  • November 18, 2013
    DAN004
    So... does Xemnas in Final Mix fights the same as in KHII? And does Young Xehanort appear in another game?
  • November 18, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    ^ Yeah pretty much, and Young Xehanort was the Mysterious Figure in Birth By Sleep, then a key player in Dream Drop Distance.
  • November 18, 2013
    DAN004
    ^ They're both inversions, then: Appearing as Bonus Boss first and then a regular boss later :P
  • November 18, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    Fair enought, I'll add Xehanort in as an inversion(s)
  • November 19, 2013
    CM302
    Super Mario Galaxy 2's Boss Blitz Galaxy? It's a Boss Rush bonus mission, where all five bosses are ones from the original game not fought anywhere else.
  • November 19, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    ^ oh yeah, can't believe I forgot that one.
  • November 19, 2013
    MrRuano
    House Of The Dead 4 has the special campaign's endboss, the Magician, who appeared before as the endboss of the first game and the boss before the Boss Rush of the final level in the second. Although the first return does not get explained, Letting him fire his final attack lets him summon an army of clones at the player.
  • November 19, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    ^ I'm not sure that qualifies. Does that campaign have a story to it (It probably won't count if it does, unless its an Excuse Plot) or do you have to clear the main game first to unlock it?
  • November 19, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    Also, does Gilgamesh in Final Fantasy count? Unlike Baal, he actually was a boss in of one of the stories before becoming a recurring Bonus Boss (I think it was VI)
  • November 20, 2013
    DAN004
  • November 20, 2013
    KarjamP
    Could Legacy Boss Battle be a better name for this trope?
  • November 20, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    ^ depends, would Bonus Boss Battle be a better name for Bonus Boss? would Final Boss Battle be a better name for Final Boss? This trope will be kept as Legacy Boss for consistency.
  • November 20, 2013
    KarjamP
    Bonus Boss is a common video game term used nowadays, so it's not as ambiguous as this one, which could mean a past boss of a company or something.

    Besides, the only use of that term for exactly this meaning that I know of is in the Dragon Quest seriesnote , thus, meaning that this trope technically violates "Trope Namer Syndrome".

    Also, consistency isn't really a legit reason to keep the name.

    In fact, that's the reason why the guideline "Everythings Worse With Snowclones" exist in the first place.
  • November 20, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    Good Point, I'll change it to Legacy Boss Battle. Also. I'm not sure if techinal violations are reason to change the name entirely. (An example would be Twenty Percent More Awesome, a trope partialy named for a meme from My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic, yet the name does not directly refer to the show.)
  • November 20, 2013
    SpoonElemental
    I would like to point out to all the people saying Red doesn't count. You can fight him in Black and White 2 as well as every single gym leader, champion and elite four member so he DOES count as an example.
  • November 20, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    ^ so, Baal has been a Bonus Boss since his first appearance in La Pucelle. and he still does not count. (That said The World Tournament and other bosses do count), also, I'm sure that Koga can't be fought in that game(s).
  • November 21, 2013
    KarjamP
    @Morning Star: You're right about that.

    It's clarity that we want from trope names.

    That rule's there to curb trope namers since it's not often the name would be clear if it has one (that's why I said technically. :P ).
  • November 21, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    ^ Okay, I also removed the ZHP example because I think that example would be disqualified in this guideline (valvoga was a bonus boss in Makai Kigdom, his first appearance and then in ZHP)
  • November 21, 2013
    Larkmarn
    Why not name it to Nostalgia Boss Battle to fit in with Nostalgia Stage? I also think it's much clearer than Legacy Boss Battle, which could have a few meanings (and this one isn't one of the first that comes to mind for me).
  • November 21, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    ^ That may require reworking the trope to include recurring Bonus Bosses and Previous Player Character Cameoes. Also, wouldn't that make this just a snowclone to the other trope (Which is the reason I named it to Legacy Boss Battle instead of keeping it as Legacy Boss)?
  • November 21, 2013
    Larkmarn
    Snowclones aren't inherently bad, they're only bad if they're a bad snowclone. In this case, however, I think the snowcloned title would be more indicative than Legacy Boss Battle.
  • November 22, 2013
    GoldenDarkness
  • November 22, 2013
    MaxWest
    The final boss of Phantasy Star I, Lassic, returns as a boss in Phantasy Star IV, though he's called Lasheic in this game. However, he's not a bonus boss; you have to defeat him to advance the storyline.
  • November 22, 2013
    TrueShadow1
  • November 23, 2013
    KarjamP
    @Larkman, I was giving an example of when consistency isn't always a good thing.

    I wasn't accusing the trope name of being a bad snowclone. :P

    Anyway, I think it's ambiguous, because unlike Bonus Boss, the "Legacy" part of it implies it's an title instead of an adjective (ie, a boss which is part of a legacy, or even a literal old boss that didn't appear in a past installment). Thus, it's not indicative that it's specifically referring to battles with bosses from previous games.

    That, and Bonus Boss is a common term nowadays, while Legacy Boss in its current definition only seems to refer to the Dragon Quest series, according to Google (the only other common search result is apparently Rogue Legacy, but even then, it only picked it up because of the fact that the game's name has the word "Legacy" in it as well as the fact that there's boss battles in it).
  • November 23, 2013
    Chabal2
  • November 24, 2013
    PhantomDusclops92
    • The Doc Robots from Mega Man 3 are all identical, but they have the movesets of the bosses from Mega Man 2.
  • November 24, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    ^ Um do you encounter them in the main story?
  • November 24, 2013
    KarjamP
    If you mean the Doc Robots, then yes.
  • November 24, 2013
    GoldenDarkness
    Speaking of Mega Man, Mega Man 10 has Downloadable Content, among them three stages featuring bosses from the Game Boy games. More specifically, the "Mega Man Killers"
  • November 25, 2013
    Surenity
    In the Sky Sanctuary Zone in Sonic The Hedgehog 3, Metal Sonic reprises two Dr. Robotnik battles from the previous gams before you fight him one on one.
  • November 25, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    ^ Sonic the hedgehod does not seem like the type of game that has Bonus Bosses, that seems more like a Final Boss.
  • November 26, 2013
    KarjamP
    ^The trope says "often as a Bonus Boss", not "always a Bonus Boss".

    Meaning, it doesn't have to be a Bonus Boss to count as this trope.

    (You should've already know that, due to you being the trope sponsor).

    Anyway, to add on to the sonic example,

  • November 26, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    ^Okay I fixed that part. one of The qualifiers for this trope is that the boss has to have no effect on the plot. so a Big Bad Final Boss (especially one who's been the big bad of multiple game such as eggman) wouldn't count.
  • November 26, 2013
    KarjamP
    ^Removed a hat, because tropes are supposed to be flexible.

    Therefore, I don't think limiting it to just a form of Bonus Boss is a great idea.

    Also, technically, the various Eggman bosses from various games, while being technically Eggman, are different bosses altogether.

    Therefore, "no baring on the plot" would apply to the Sonic Advance example there, since there's no reason for Eggman to reenact the boss fights from the first two console Sonic games.
  • November 26, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    ^You make a good point.
  • November 27, 2013
    DAN004
    Compare Degraded Boss.
  • November 29, 2013
    ShanghaiSlave
  • December 4, 2013
    troacctid
    Recurring Boss Template definitely wants a mention.
  • December 5, 2013
    GoldenDarkness
    The Updated Rerelease of Bravely Default features optional bosses from Final Fantasy The 4 Heroes Of Light that will be distributed online.

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