Created By: ClassyMythsJanuary 20, 2012 Last Edited By: GuilenOctober 12, 2013
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Standard Shonen Hero

Your average Shonen Lead character

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The Standard Shonen Hero is a character archetype most common in Anime and Manga, which is the standard for a Shonen Hero.

They includes the following:

  • The character has spiky anime hair.

  • The character is the Messiah.

  • The character is a Determinator.

  • The character is stupid. Or at least Book Dumb.

  • The character is loud.

  • The character has a strong bond with his Nakama.

  • The character is very forgiving and probably recruits many of his former villains into his band of True Companions.

Son Goku is the Trope Maker and the Trope Codifier, but not the Ur Example.

Anime

  • Son Goku is the Trope Namer.

  • Naruto.

  • Ichigo Kurosaki. While he's actually very intelligent, he is still a loud mothed hero with Anime hair and a strong
connection with his True Companions.

Western Animation

  • Aang.

Obviously, it can still be expanded. I just put these guys off the top of my head to get the ball rolling.
Community Feedback Replies: 60
  • January 20, 2012
    captainpat
    Yugi Moto is nothing like goku.
  • January 20, 2012
    ClassyMyths
    Yugi Moto being nothing like Goku?

  • January 20, 2012
    ryanasaurus0077
    Can't help you there; I'm currently working on a similar trope myself (involving Mio Akiyama from K On) that's gotten quite a bit of flak for being crappily written. Good luck on yours, though!
  • January 20, 2012
    ClassyMyths
    Thanks. I saw it. Good luck with yours. Mine is sloppily written. I brought it here to get it worked on before putting it out there. Still, it's quite obvious that Goku influenced these characters and several of the authors of other works have even stated that he was an influence, so I think this should work. I was actually surprised that it wasn't made earlier.

    I also believe that {Superman}} could probably have one made, but I'll wait until I'm done with this article before working on that one.
  • January 20, 2012
    Jordan
    I'll repeat what I said when I suggested this be cutlisted initially. I think it's quite plausible that Goku is the Trope Codifier for the heroes found in shonen adventure works, but that in no way makes those characters expies of him. I agree that there is a Standard Shonen Hero (there's a good discussion about this on the forums), but I doubt that these characters were created to be based upon Goku- which is what an expy would be.

    Incidentally, the Mio Akiyama Clone also strikes me as a terrible trope- if anything, it just seems like a case of a typecast actress.
  • January 20, 2012
    ParadiscaCorbasi
    Goku is also not stupid. He's simple. He doesn't care much one way or the other about things most people care about. He cares about his family and his friends, and his world. Threaten any of those and you see his intelligence come out because as a Saiyin he's a martial savant.
  • January 20, 2012
    ClassyMyths
    @Jordan But several authors have actually stated that they based their heroes off of Goku, so they would... in fact... be expies of him.

    @Paradisca Corbasi Goku thought that girls had monkey tails and thought a car was a monster. In Part 2 he becomes a little bit smarter, but he's still arguably the stupidest of the main Z-Fighters.
  • January 20, 2012
    undefined
    @Jordan Also, without even notocing it. Every one of those guys have spiky anime hair. They are all determinators. They are all very forgiving. They all have strong bonds with their true companions. Most of them are loud. Most of them are stupid. They share to many similarities for it to be just a coincidence.
  • January 20, 2012
    Jordan
    I totally agree that tons of shonen heroes have those traits, but I think it's really a bad idea to insist that the trope is that they are expies of a certain character. I haven't even watched the Dragon Ball series, but I know it was really influential. However, I would bet that lots of these characters have totally different backgrounds, etc. from Goku, and aren't necessarily drawn in a way that's visually similar.

    What's wrong with just having a Standard Shonen Hero trope that mentions Goku being influential in defining this type?

    For cases where Word Of God says the character was based on Goku, just note those under expy.

    Edit- It also strikes me, when I think of Farm Boy type characters that lots of Western young male heroes are idealistic and less than intellectual. Seems to me that it's just the norm to give characters for young male audiences certain traits.
  • January 20, 2012
    jate88
    I think you might be a able to form a subtrope of the Ideal Hero out of this but I'm not sure if it could be considered an expy. Someone mentioned Standard Shonen Hero which might be a good name for it.
  • January 20, 2012
    ryanasaurus0077
    Jordan: Shana Clone also involves a typecast seiyuu; however, I understand my shortcoming there: there's actually more Shana clones that aren't voiced by Rie Kugimiya than I've listed Mio clones that aren't voiced by Yoko Hikasa.
  • January 20, 2012
    FallenLegend
    This seems to be a complaining "trope"
  • January 20, 2012
    FallenLegend
    plus character named tropes aren't allowed anymore
  • January 20, 2012
    ClassyMyths
    I'm not complaining about anything. How is it a complaint?
  • January 20, 2012
    ClassyMyths
    @Jordan The similarities seem to be to much for it to be a coincidence, you know? Everything from the appearance, to the attitude, and many of them are Big Eaters. Several Mangaka have out right stated that they were influenced by Goku, such as Luffy, Naruto, and Ichigo. And if I'm not mistaken, the creater of Fairy Tail said they drew influence from Luffy, making Natsu an expy of an expy in a sense.
  • January 20, 2012
    ClassyMyths
    ^They also share a backstory with missing parents, living in isolation. It just seems to be to similar to be coincidence, you know?
  • January 20, 2012
    ClassyMyths
    ^Although, that is a little bit vague... I'll admit that much.
  • January 20, 2012
    FallenLegend
    there is nothing new under the sun being inspired by a charcter =/= expy. In fact Standard Shonen Hero is better name
  • January 20, 2012
    Catbert
    See also this forum thread that discusses this very sort of thing.

    Also, Standard Shonen Hero is a much better name.
  • January 20, 2012
    animeg3282
    i do like Standard Shonen Hero . Good Is Stupid is common here
  • January 20, 2012
    ClassyMyths
    @Fallen Legend Except it's quite obvious that the characters were based on Son Goku. 20+ Characters that came after Goku who just happen to be messiahs, who easily forgive their enemies, care deeply for their True Companions, have Anime Hair, are Big Eaters, loud and passionate, with missing parents, an evil powerup, are really stupid, with Word Of God statements that some of them are in fact based on one of the most well-known and influential characters in Japanese Aniamtion and they aren't expies? They're expies by definition.St

    With that said, I wouldn't be against calling it Standard Shonen Hero, but it's quite clear that they were heavily influenced by Goku and it should be noted as such in the article.
  • January 20, 2012
    ClassyMyths
    @Fallen Legend Since when are characer named tropes not allowed? I thought it was only if the character was well-known enough. If someone wanted to name a Trope after... Jesus, or Hercules, or Batman I'd think most people would know about them. While I don't expect most people to know about Goku, since this ismainly an anime specific trope, nearly all anime fans would have at least heard of Goku so it works.
  • January 20, 2012
    captainpat
  • January 20, 2012
    ParadiscaCorbasi
    I would still say Goku is not stupid. Uneducated, yes. Ignorant, yes. But he had a tail himself, so if no one taught him different, that's not a really stupid thing to think other people would have tails too. And there are lots of media in which someone who has never seen a car before thought it was a monster or some other sort of living thing.
  • January 20, 2012
    ClassyMyths
    Does that mean Shana Clone will be renamed to Abusive Tsunder Loli? Will Rei Ayanami Expy be renamed Stoic Blue Haired Robot Girl (I know she's not a Robot, but she is cold and trying to become more human)? Will Char Clone be renamed Mysterious Masked Ace Pilot?
  • January 20, 2012
    ClassyMyths
    @Pandisca Corbasi But that's just the thing. He wasn't knowledgeable about anything outside of fighting. Not math, or the sciences, history, geography, languages etc.. He wasn't smart. That's for sure. He was Book Dumb.
  • January 20, 2012
    Oreochan
    Can you at least explain why these characters are expies of Goku to prevent Zero Context Examples? Also, do the characters have to fit all the criteria or just some of it?
  • January 20, 2012
    Jordan
    I think Char Clone isn't quite comparable because while there are outside examples, a lot of them are various characters in different Gundam series- in this case, it

    's the same "creators", so it's a lot easier to show expiness. Mysterious Masked Ace Pilot would be a good alternate title though. I'm not sure what I think about the tropes/names Shana Clone and Rei Ayanami Expy versus those alternate names (although I think the word loli should die in a fire). I guess because those are recent patterns it might be easier to identify expies.
  • January 21, 2012
    Ekuran
    Can't we just call this Standard Shonen Hero?
  • January 21, 2012
    Arivne
  • January 21, 2012
    ClassyMyths
    @Oreochan I already did.

    Except it's quite obvious that the characters were based on Son Goku. 20+ Characters that came after Goku who just happen to be messiahs, who easily forgive their enemies, care deeply for their True Companions, have Anime Hair, are Big Eaters, loud and passionate, with missing parents, an evil powerup, are really stupid, with Word Of God statements that some of them are in fact based on one of the most well-known and influential characters in Japanese Aniamtion and they aren't expies? They're expies by definition.

    There are several Word of God statements that some of these characters were based on Goku. However, as I said before, Standard Shonen Hero sounds good too.

    Also, of the characters I listed the one with the lowest amount of similarities was Yugi. And he still fit 80% of the criteria.
  • January 21, 2012
    Stratadrake
    Group of shonen heroes

    [fixed by Stratadrake - don't paste image UR Ls directly in the YKTTW.]
  • January 21, 2012
    Catbert
    Classy Myths, the prevailing sentiment these days is to avoid trope namers if at all possible, especially when there is another name that is more descriptive and widely accessible.
  • January 21, 2012
    ClassyMyths
    ^Fair enough. So, are Trope Namers going to be changed to things more excessible? Are things like The Pollyanna and Adam and Eve the only ones that'll be left. Things that almost everyone knows?

    Personally, considering it's an anime specific trope, I believe Goku would be recognizable enough. However, as I said... I'm not opposed to Standard Shonen Hero. In fact, I think it sounds pretty good. But at the very least, he's the trope Trope Maker and the Trope Codifier.
  • January 21, 2012
    ClassyMyths
    ^*accessible.
  • January 21, 2012
    ClassyMyths
    Or as an alternate name.
  • January 21, 2012
    captainpat
    The Pollyanna is a pre-existing term. These character's while inspired by, aren't expies of goku. The consensus seems to be for Standard Shonen Hero, so I'd just rename it that. Better now, that in a trs thread.
  • January 21, 2012
    DracMonster
    This is a VERY Omnipresent Trope. Might be "aversions and subversions only" territory. Or where its put in another genre such as Anime Tenchou in Lucky Star.

    The Pollyanna is almost certainly TRS fodder, it'll likely get a rename at some point.
  • January 21, 2012
    ClassyMyths
    @Captainpat Several of them have Word Of God statements that they are expies of Goku, such as Naruto, Luffy, and Gon. Just like on the Shana Clone, Char Clone, and Rei Ayanami Expy pages there are pictures of the Trope Namer with their expies, I've found images of Goku with his Expies (The Standard Shonen Heroes. I like how SSH sounds honestly and wouldn't be opposed to it, but as I said it should be mentioned in the article that Goku's the Trope Codifier, the Trope Maker, and/or as an alternate title.

    @Drac Monster What is TRS?

    So now that we have that stuff out of the way, and have settled on Standard Shonen Hero. Can we work on adding examples and fix it up until its ready to be published?
  • January 22, 2012
    NoirGrimoir
    I actually wouldn't include Ichigo, he's not an Idiot Hero and that's pretty much a prerequisite for this. Another thing these guys have in common is they're usually a Big Eater. Yugi and Aang definitely aren't this either. Haru Glory probably counts, though.
  • January 22, 2012
    DracMonster
    @ClassyMyths: TRS = Trope repair shop forum (where renames are hashed out.)
  • January 22, 2012
    Ryuuma
  • January 22, 2012
    ClassyMyths
    @Noir Grimoir There are many types of stupidity. Ichigo's usual strategies revolve rushing in and cutting someone. Yugi's not a big eater, but he still fits most of the criteria, and I'm pretty sure Aang was a big eater, but I'd have to rewarch the series. They all still fit 80% of the criteria.
  • January 22, 2012
    Stratadrake
    Just a reminder to not paste image UR Ls directly in the YKTTW, it breaks formatting.
  • January 22, 2012
    TheHandle
    Disneys Hercules would be a Western version, wouldn't he?
  • January 22, 2012
    bulmabriefs144
    Trope Namer Syndrome.

    Naruto is a bit like Ichigo Kurosaki, in that they both have sort of forbidden dark power, that they are playing host to. This is a totally different model than Son Goku.

    Also, what you're talking about could apply to half The Hero types in existence.
  • January 22, 2012
    ClassyMyths
    ^I completly disagree. Off the top of my head, to Heroes that came to mind were Superman and Luke Skywalker. Both didn't fit the description (1 or 2 of the criteria maybe, but the guys I've listed fit it at least 80%).

    It's also quite clear that Goku was the catalyst for it, and many creators have actually admitted that there heroes were based on Goku.

    @Stratadrake Sorry. I didn't know.

    @The Handle I don't think he fits the trope enough. He fits about half of the criteria. Maybe less.
  • March 3, 2012
    Ryuuma
    Gama from Gamaran and Yaiba from, well Yaiba. The former however is much more cool-minded and serious than your usual shonen hero.
  • August 4, 2012
    SeptimusHeap
    Bumping this. Got this ever resolved?
  • August 4, 2012
    abk0100
    ^^^^"Naruto is a bit like Ichigo Kurosaki, in that they both have sort of forbidden dark power, that they are playing host to. This is a totally different model than Son Goku."

    Dude, Goku turned into a giant ape monster and killed his grandpa. That doesn't count as "forbidden dark power"?
  • August 4, 2012
    Koveras
    Looks like Clare from Claymore is an almost perfect Inversion: she is a girl with smooth hair, smart, reserved, and generally mistrustful (except with a very few later on). In fact, the only trait she shares is being a Determinator and a Messianic Archetype much later in the manga.
  • August 4, 2012
    Rognik
    I think I'd add to the description that the hero tends to be Obvilious To Love. Whether he is a Chaste Hero, or just ignorant of the love interest's fascination, love will be the domain of female characters only.
  • June 15, 2013
    Damr1990
    bump?
  • June 15, 2013
    MissKitten
    This thing is a year old, I'm guessing OP abandoned it or something. Unless someone is willing to improve the decription and fix the Zero Context examples perhaps this should be discarded?
  • June 15, 2013
    KingZeal
  • October 3, 2013
    Cider
    Goku is stupid. He gets called idiot in every other chapter of the comic. He can live with very little and is a combat savant but he is bad with numbers (what comes after 19?), not particularly empathetic or able grasp social subtitles(he repeatedly ditches his friends and doesn't really get why they are bugged by it), is overly trusting and optimistic (that dude who sold his soul for the power to defeat you, he will totally come around if you tell him to enough), he could not even tell a male from a female until the latter stages of puberty. Goku was not just stupid though. He was also isolated from society and human contact of any kind for most of his childhood, his dead parental figure may have been a pedophile and he was brain damaged on top of all that...but he was still stupid.

    And if Goku is the trope codifier, super strength or something along those lines should be added to the list along with big eater. Loud could be removed. Goku was often too noisy at inappropriate times but being loud in general was not a particular character trait of his. Otherwise I say we discard this if the original poster has abandoned it.
  • October 3, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    Okay example expansion:

    • Aang from Avatar The Last Airbender doesn't have spikey hair (or hair at all for that matter), but he is energetic and child-like and as The Avatar, the only person that master all four Elemental Powers the world had to offer actually five, he's The Messiah that is supposed to save the world from a 100 year war.
  • October 3, 2013
    xanderiskander
    I say discard. It's over a year old. Seems abandoned since the OP has not objected when people asked about discarding it. The description is so badly defined that it's not really possible to to tell what the actual intention of this page is, and you don't have enough information to make a good description from this either.
  • October 3, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    I disagree. I get the idea, it's about the standard hero of a Shonen; a specific character archetype that must fit the criteria of the bullets. The description just needs to be worded better (would someone more familiar with anime/manga than me please jump in on this?)
  • October 12, 2013
    Pichu-kun
    I was just gonna YKTTW a similar trope along the lines of Shana Clone and Rei Ayanami Expy but with Goku. I'd say the common traits are:

Three days must pass before this YKTTW is Launchworthy or Discardable