Created By: troper810 on September 3, 2012
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All of Them Witches

The hero/ine finds him/herself the target of a witch cult conspiracy, and everyone including those he/she thought he/she could trust is one of them

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Film
  • Bay Coven
  • Black Candles
  • The Devil's Rain
  • The Initiation of Sarah
  • Paranormal Activity 3
  • Rosemary's Baby: trope namer
  • Satan's School for Girls
  • Spellbinder
  • The Wicker Man: Technically, they're Druids, not witches per se, but they're still part of a pagan cult conspiracy.

Live Action TV
  • K-9 and Company
Community Feedback Replies: 24
  • September 3, 2012
    Jordan
    This seems similarish but perhaps different than Flock Of Wolves.

    • As I understand it, in Nathaniel Hawthorne's story Young Goodman Brown, Brown goes off at the beginning of the story to make a Deal With The Devil (it's not clear how much he was conscious of this), and is mostly held back by the thought of being a disgrace to his Puritan community. As the story progresses, Satan lets him know that not only had his ancestors sold their souls, but at present, he and his wife were the only people in town that hadn't made a Deal With The Devil (several respected women are actually witches).
  • September 4, 2012
    troper810
    The Deal With The Devil trope is specifically about Faustian deals. What I'm talking about is not the same thing. The point of my proposed trope is that everyone is part of a cult conspiracy against the main character.
  • September 4, 2012
    69BookWorM69
    So this is Everybody Did It in a pagan cult Masquerade setting?
  • September 4, 2012
    bulmabriefs144
    I don't recall him intending to make a deal with the devil. But I do remember his wife "Faith" begging him not to go, and she's all in pink and sorta virginal-acting.

    You need an actual description, not just examples. Also, I think it needn't be witches specifically, it's more like all of your so-called friends are working with the Dark Side.
  • September 4, 2012
    troper810
    Well, Hollywood seems to love using this trope specifically for witches as my ten examples (twelve if you count remakes) prove, and I'm sure there are more. I admit my description is lacking so far.
  • September 4, 2012
    captainpat
    ^ And your example section. See Zero Context Example.
  • September 4, 2012
    randomsurfer
    In a Simpsons Treehouse Of Horror episode spoofing Bram Stokers Dracula it turns out that all the major characters except Lisa are vampires.
  • September 7, 2012
    Rognik
    Where's the trope write-up? Even the most basic trope has to be explained, no matter how self-explanatory the name is. Also, is there something special about witches? Is there no reason it cannot be expanded to "heroes stumble upon a conspiracy, only to find everyone is in on it and has nowhere to run"? I mean, the name is fine, I think, since witches are very rarely seen as good (and witches is a common substitute for a more powerful word), but you have a list of works with no explanation or justification for it. If this was a business proposal, I wouldn't tossed it without giving it a second look.
  • September 7, 2012
    Arivne
    Film
    • Race With The Devil. After witnessing a Satanic ritual human sacrifice, the protagonists flee. When they try to get help, they discover that the the local sheriff is a member of the cult. They're later pursued by many Satanists from a number of small towns in the area.
  • September 7, 2012
    Q
    The description as it stands makes it sound somewhat like Et Tu Brute but plural? I don't think that Everyone Is A Tomato except me is tropeworthy, even with a qualifier. This trope seems to be a blend between those and Never Trust A Trope; just applied to witches. Either way, the title needs to be more flexible, as this could apply to any group in which you realize that you're the only one you can trust. It also shouldn't be confused with being on the Wrong Side All Along, or being Locked Out Of The Loop, as some of the examples seem to be.
  • September 7, 2012
    AnEditor
    I disagree with the above post. Never Trust A Trope is about a particular class of people being inherently seen as evil (for example "redheads are evil" or "never trust a X nationality") so it has pretty much nothing to do with this trope. Everyone Is A Tomato is closer, but I think this trope has some characteristics that merit their own page. There's the horror, the betrayal of trust, the sinister nature of the activity (as opposed to, say, "everyone has superpowers"). The revelation is not just shocking, it's horrific and traumatic. And in this trope, it's not everyone; the protagonist is still excluded (at least, at this point).

    The name, for those who don't know, is a quote from Rosemarys Baby. It should probably change if we can find something better, since there are good witches and all. That being said, I personally think that the title sounds cool and doesn't do a bad job at being clear. It could possibly be kept as a redirect or be the main title if we don't find something better.

    Also, yeah, description.
  • September 7, 2012
    Q
    I'm familiar with exactly none of the examples listed in the actual article, so there's certainly a non-zero possibility of there being a trope in here somewhere. I also should have made it a bit clearer that my link to Never Trust A Trope was more in response to the second comment made by the trope's sponsor, as far as Hollywood attitude towards them goes. While the trope has been applied to witches, the same scenario has been used for zombies, druids, vampires, robots, and cylons. If you go looking for only witch examples, that's precisely what you'll find.

    That being said, take the Battlestar Galatica example on Everyone Is A Tomato. Wouldn't that be a Recycled In Space version of this trope? You have every element present, up to and including the betrayal of trust. Tropes Are Flexible, after all. If a description can be copied word-for-word from one article into another, how is it a separate trope?
  • September 7, 2012
    mythbuster
    The Jackie Chan Adventures episode "The Chan Who Knew Too Much." Everyone they run into is a magister and tries to kill them.
  • September 7, 2012
    pointlessproductions
    I think what needs to be decided is whether it's more significant that they're all witches, or just that the hero is the only one left out. Is there something about the others being witches that adds a different spin on this reveal? Obviously, in the examples, it's a negative experience, but there can be a negative version of the similar tropes that already exist. If there is a reason why witches are special, I would say make that the focus of the description.
  • September 7, 2012
    AnEditor
    ^^^ I think you're right about the importance of being familiar with the examples. Otherwise it might be difficult to see how this is distinct from other tropes (if it is). Perhaps it would help if I expanded on one example. It's the only one I'm familiar with, but it fits the laconic perfectly. The example is Rosemarys Baby.

    Rosemarys Baby is a thriller about a woman who is targeted by a cult, raped by one of them, and gets pregnant with the Antichrist as a result. I know, nice, huh. "All of them witches" is the phrase she uses when she learns that all her neighbours, including her supposed friends and her husband, had been involved in the conspiracy. (@pointlessproductions: In this context, "witches" is not a neutral term for a supernatural being. It's just used to express abhorrence and fear, so no, I don't think there's anything special about witches per se, although only the OP can tell us definitely.) Now if you look at Everyone Is A Tomato, it doesn't say anything about the hero being the target of a conspiracy. It says there is something- not neccessarily sinister, just something that has to be kept secret-that practically everyone has in common, and the hero is shocked when he finds out. There can be a conspiracy, but it's not neccessary. If there is one, the hero doesn't have to be the target, or betrayed by his loved ones. All these things might happen incidentally, but they're not in the actual trope description, whereas this one seems to be defined by them.

    Hopefully this helped make things a little clearer. I think this one might be tropeworthy, but it needs a description and expanded examples as it seems to have generated some confusion.
  • September 7, 2012
    TwoGunAngel
    Yeah. This trope tends to crop up a lot in Religious Horror works. Sometimes it's witches, sometimes it's cultists, but whatever they are, they're in league with something bad. And they're all after you. Most of the time, it's set in a Town With A Dark Secret.
  • September 7, 2012
    Q
    If there's nothing special about witches, then there's no reason to restrict the title and description, aside from Trope Namer Syndrome, perhaps. By using more general terminology and descriptions, it could be understood as a more deceiving variant of Everyone Is A Tomato. This would also cover cases in which everyone in a small town turns out to be cannibalistic serial killers. I'm fairly sure we have that trope already, though. Those aren't tomatoes, per se, but would still be considered tomatoes due to their status within the story. I think there's enough examples of that sort of scenario to make it tropeworthy.

    And you're right that Everyone Is A Tomato doesn't say anything about the things you mentioned. That's because it doesn't have to. The same trope applies whether everyone is a killer tomato, or a friendly tomato, or an indifferent tomato, or a tomato masquerading as an apple.

    Edit due to ninja: And I was totally trying to find Town With A Dark Secret. Just mentally add a Pothole in the right place when you come to it.
  • November 3, 2012
    troper810
    randomsurfer is the only one who seems to understand. His/her example definitely fits the All Of Them Witches trope albeit with vampires instead of literally witches. After reading Everyone Is A Tomato, I still have no clue what that's about. I have a feeling it's more of an inside joke between certain tropers rather than an actual trope per se.
  • November 3, 2012
    WeAreAllKosh
    An example expansion of one I'm familiar with:

    The 1988 film Spellbinder centered around a man who rescued a Damsel In Distress from her abusive Satanist boyfriend, and subsequently entered a relationship with her. Throughout the movie, he is constantly protecting her from threats from the old boyfriend and his cultist associates. Only at the very end do we see that he was drawn into an elaborate trap, orchestrated by the girlfriend herself, that led him to "willingly" come to a place where he was to serve as a Human Sacrifice for that Satanic cult--which it turns out a few of his supposed friends, including a cop whom he'd asked for help, also belonged to.
  • November 3, 2012
    DracMonster
    Eldritch Perfect Conspiracy

    Everyone Is In On The Supernatural Conspiracy

    Actually, though, this seems to be covered by Town With A Dark Secret:

    "Everybody in a small town is in on a secret. A terrible secret that nobody outside the town must know. The visiting protagonist slowly begins to suspect that something is wrong. "

  • November 3, 2012
    DaibhidC
    Regarding whether it's similar to Flock Of Wolves, I personally would add to the description something like "Contrast with Flock Of Wolves, where none of them are really witches". (Or adjusted phrasing for whatever title we end up with.)

    And, having said that, I found an example in Flock Of Wolves which I think fits this trope better:

    • Philip K Dick wrote a story called The Eyes Have It where an Inspector Javert character who hunts aliens (indistinguishable from humans except for glow-in-the-dark eyes) and dissects them informs his superiors that there is an alien spy among them. It turns out they are all aliens
  • November 3, 2012
    TBeholder
    wot iz "a witch cult conspiracy"?
  • November 3, 2012
    Earnest
    • Not witches, but sort of cult-like are the bad guys in Hot Fuzz who are killing everyone who doesn't live up to the "model English village" ideal and would get their town to lose a silly little prize. Everyone protagonist Nick Angel runs into in any kind of prominent position around town (including his boss at the police station) is in on it.
  • November 4, 2012
    AnEditor
    @troper810: /facepalm Just because you don't have a clue what a trope is about doesn't mean it's an "inside joke".

    That said, it's also not the same trope as this, so whatever.
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