Created By: ccoa on January 10, 2012 Last Edited By: IlVit on December 19, 2012
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Tropes in Aggregate

Tropes that are only patterns if you look at a whole genre or all fiction, rather than taken case by case

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Tropes In Aggregate

Sometimes, a trope isn't the tree. It's the whole forest.

That is, when you see something used in fiction, it can seem to not mean anything. It's an artistic choice on the part of the creator, but it has no actual meaning beyond that and you might be tempted to label it "not a trope."

Until you look at a whole genre, or even all of fiction, and notice that this particular artistic choice happens a lot. A lot more than it ever happens in Real Life, in fact. It's nearly universal to a genre.

What you have here is an Aggregate Trope. It's a storytelling pattern, but that pattern only becomes apparent when you take all the examples as a whole rather than look at individual examples.


Tropes that are only a trope in aggregate:


Help finding more aggregate tropes on TV tropes would be appreciated. Thanks!

Community Feedback Replies: 49
  • January 10, 2012
    FastEddie
    What do you think about making a subsection for Common Complimentary Colors?

    The ones I mentioned in the thread:
    • Green & Orange
    • Green & Purple
      • Very common as a costume color scheme in comics
      • Sometimes overlaps with Green & Orange by giving a green-purple costume to a redhead.
    • Orange & Blue Quite common in posters and ads. (I may be wrong, but I even think there's an existing trope about that)
    • Yellow & Blue (probably not as common) Blondes in blue costumes (again, comics examples: e.g., Supergirl, Stargirl, Cap America, Sue and Johnny Storm, etc.)
  • January 10, 2012
    Zulfiqar
    Also, I think maybe some Animal Tropes apply here? E.g., Playful Otter: otters are playful in Real Life, and most fictional otters are playful, but still it's a trope.
  • January 10, 2012
    ccoa
    Hmm. I think it would be better to spin that into it's own trope, and then index it here. It's definately a trope, but it probably deserves a better description about why it happens than a subsection, and it could catch examples that don't have a specific subset until there are enough to spin off into subtropes (or you could make the subtropes now, your choice).

    EDIT: Are otters more playful in fiction, though? I'm not sure it's still a trope if the pattern doesn't differ from real life in some way. Need to think about that. Any thoughts on it?
  • January 10, 2012
    troacctid
  • January 10, 2012
    Zulfiqar
    @ccoa: [offtop] Well... You're welcome to stop by the Everythings Better With X Trope Repair Shop thread then :) One of the tropes we discussed there was Everythings Wetter With Otters which got recently changed into Playful Otter. I'm a bit suspicious of its tropability myself, but looks like many people accept it. There are more Animal Tropes like this one, actually (e.g., Cute Kitten or Creepy Cockroach), I just mentioned it as one example... [/offtop]

    @troacctid: Thanks a lot! Added it here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=rnjtkhumub99tvbe66wi0feh
  • January 10, 2012
    Madrugada
    Redheads tend to be costumed in green" is Redhead In Green. Blue and Orange color choices in film and posters is Orange Blue Contrast, recently renamed from Teal And Orange
  • January 13, 2012
    jate88
    Why do I get the feeling this is tied closely to minority rights?
  • January 13, 2012
    ScanVisor
    This is the most meta YKTTW of all time. I love it.
  • January 13, 2012
    IsaacSapphire
    Jate88's got a point. A lot of minority-related tropes fit under this; Black Dude Dies First, Black Best Friend, Girls Need Role Models...
  • January 13, 2012
    ccoa
    I'm not sure about Black Best Friend, because the trope is pretty meaningful even if it weren't everywhere. Added Black Dude Dies First and Humans Are White, though. Girls Need Role Models is an audience reaction. I'll look at some other race and sex tropes and see if anything pops out at me.
  • January 13, 2012
    nielas
    So these would be tropes that stand out because they are statistically more common than they should be? ie Black Dude Dies First is a trope because statistically in America at least more white people should be the first to die just because of the racial composition of the population. If fewer movies used the trope then it would no longer be a trope and become more People Sit On Chairs. Correct?

  • January 13, 2012
    ccoa
    Yep. Pretty much.
  • January 13, 2012
    ScanVisor
    Sorry, I forgot what Depraved Bisexual means. Comment Deleted.
  • January 13, 2012
    ScanVisor
    Also: Compare and contrast Unfortunate Implications.
  • January 13, 2012
    ScanVisor
  • January 27, 2012
    DracMonster
    Hmmm... can a "meta" page be subjective? That has a zen-like dissonance to it. I understand the reasoning behind the idea but I'm wondering if this will be Edit War prone.
  • January 27, 2012
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ The real issue is knowing that there is a lack of author intent otherwise. This might be best left with no examples, save for a few key ones.
  • January 27, 2012
    DracMonster
    Agreed. Also, if something is included in a genre because it's universal to that genre, I think Omnipresent Trope covers it already.
  • January 27, 2012
    DragonQuestZ
    I think Most Common Superpower is a good key example, since the trope is partly about the aggregate aspect of the trope.
  • February 21, 2012
    jate88
    Wouldn't all tropes be People Sit On Chairs if it wasn't for the fact that people keep using them?
  • February 21, 2012
    ccoa
    This isn't "people keep using them". It's "they are only a trope because they are omnipresent or nearly so."

    ^^So you think we should only include a couple aggregate tropes as examples?
  • February 21, 2012
    KingZeal
    I personally think this is a terrible idea.

    You're going to have a nigh-impossible time proving a distinction between what this is and People Sit On Chairs.
  • February 21, 2012
    ccoa
    An omnipresent trope which does not have External Consistency cannot be People Sit On Chairs.
  • March 13, 2012
    KingZeal
    What I'm saying is that this page would make it difficult to nigh-impossible to neatly define what does and does not have external consistency. Since we're currently undergoing the whole People Sit On Chairs revolution and also trying to fix Missing Supertrope Syndrome, it's going to be harder than ever to prove what tropes do and do not have the external consistency you're speaking of.
  • March 13, 2012
    Koveras
  • March 13, 2012
    abk0100
    How does this have anything to do with People Sit On Chairs?
  • March 15, 2012
    ccoa
    People equate common to meaningless. It's part of the misuse of People Sit On Chairs.
  • March 15, 2012
    pawsplay
  • November 20, 2012
    johnnye
    I think this should perhaps be left without a list of tropes. Just a note that "this applies to a lot of tropes relating to race and gender stereotypes", plus a couple of examples in the description. But I think it's a worthwhile Trope Trope.

    The problem is that it is subjective. All tropes rely to some degree on the cultural world they're "born" into. An author who saw TV Tropes might say "I didn't put him in a long coat because "long coats are badass", I did it because he lives somewhere rainy and wants to keep his suit dry!" -- that is, he wasn't playing on that trope, it's just a coincidence. But equally, he might admit that a character didn't just happen to be both Black And Nerdy, it was a conscious attempt to increase the number of intelligent black main characters.
  • November 20, 2012
    shimaspawn
    <Mod Hat>

    The description is wonderful. The list of tropes is probably better off not there because it seems to be causing confusion and speculation. Just launch the description without a list as a useful definition.
  • November 20, 2012
    acrobox
    i agree with shimaspawn.

    everyone knows what this means intuitively.

    examples are going to bog us down in specifics that will lead to Edit Wars or it getting so broad that it becomes Chairs.
  • November 20, 2012
    KingZeal
    In that case, should I adopt and launch this?

    Oh wait, ccoa is sponsoring it. She can go ahead if she likes. I thought the sponsor had abandoned it.
  • November 21, 2012
    Arivne
    ccoa hasn't posted here since March 2012, so this is Up For Grabs.
  • November 21, 2012
    KingZeal
    Then I guess I'll launch it if there's no objections.
  • November 21, 2012
    MorganWick
    I think the two-month rule should be modified if the YKTTW itself has been languishing for that time. Of course, it could be argued that the sponsor should keep on top of it and launch/bump/discard as appropriate...
  • November 24, 2012
    SeptimusHeap
    Any objections to launching this?
  • November 24, 2012
    KingZeal
    And if we do, should we remove the list of tropes?
  • November 24, 2012
    SeptimusHeap
    Not sure. Most of the "confusion" seems to rely on the lack of a contrast with People Sit On Chairs: I know Tropes In Aggregate is defined by statistic, but I don't know how to phrase this.
  • November 24, 2012
    ArcadesSabboth
    nvm.
  • November 24, 2012
    m8e
    Fast Eddie edited this last and he didn't remove the list, he made a small correction to it too. He is god. :p

    Seriously: This needs the list. Just Launch It Already unless it should be sorted differently with subsection for colors and stuff.
  • November 24, 2012
    KingZeal
    I'd rather have Word Of God on this. As I mentioned above, eventually, you're going to get to the problem where people misunderstand this and either EVERY trope is one in aggregate or none of them are.
  • November 24, 2012
    SeptimusHeap
    Word Of God on what? On a trope? Don't see how it could work.
  • November 24, 2012
    KingZeal
    It was a joke. m8e called Eddie "God".
  • November 24, 2012
    Stratadrake
    @m8e: That means nothing since Eddie didn't leave a comment about his reasoning, much less a "mod hat" comment (like shima did).
  • December 18, 2012
    WaxingName
    *bump* Can we launch this?
  • December 18, 2012
    IlVit
    Can we please launch this?
  • December 18, 2012
    Luc
  • December 18, 2012
    chihuahua0
    Yeah, launch.
  • December 18, 2012
    WaxingName
    Problem is that Ccoa isn't here. Maybe I'll ask the other moderators if I can launch it myself.

Three days must pass before this YKTTW is Launchworthy or Discardable

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