Created By: Silent Hunter on February 23, 2009
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The Rest Of The Nuclear Club

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We need entries for the rest of the nuclear nations in the world- and some of the "possibles". Importantly, we need good titles.

They are:

Any suggestions?
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  • February 23, 2009
    Indefatigable
    Why is this a trope?
  • February 23, 2009
    NeeNee
    Why is the USA not on there? Russia? France? The UK?

    Assuming you are talking about nations that have nuclear weapons. The trope description is... interpretable.
  • February 23, 2009
    Kuciwalker
    Nee Nee: because we already have articles on those countries' arsenals.
  • February 23, 2009
    NeeNee
    I see (talk about hard to find). Well, if you really think it's needed to have pages for all other countries too, feel free to write them. I'll probably come down to copying The Other Wiki anyway.

    I would suggest using some more logical names though, or at least redirects. Or a nuclear index.
  • February 24, 2009
    32_Footsteps
    I'm assuming this would be a "Useful Notes on..." page?

    Though will we need pages for each one, or could we lump them together for now?
  • February 24, 2009
    Martin The Mess
    Eh, if someone else will launch and start them, I'll surf on by at some point and add to them. I've got some reference books here that would help.
  • February 24, 2009
    ShinyRocks
    Is 'having nuclear weapons' a trope?
  • February 24, 2009
    Silent Hunter
    The nuclear weapons of each country have appeared in fiction, so it's a sub-trope of Atomic Hate.
  • February 24, 2009
    Jallen
    Well okay the list is:
    • Nuclear Powers;
      • United States
      • Russia
      • United Kingdom
      • France
      • China
      • India
      • Pakistan
      • North Korea

    • Possibly
      • Israel
      • Iran
      • Syria

    • Nuclear sharing Programs
      • Belgium
      • Germany
      • Italy
      • Netherlands
      • Turkey
      • Canada
      • Greece

    • Former Nuclear powers
      • South Africa
      • Belarus
      • Kazakhstan
      • Ukraine
  • February 24, 2009
    Unknown Troper
    If the index collecting these doesn't quote "Who's Next" by Tom Lehrer, something will have gone horribly wrong...
  • February 24, 2009
    Unknown Troper
    Pipped to the post, argh!

    May as well go with the first verse, I guess.

    First we got the bomb and that was good
    Cos we love peace and motherhood
    Then Russia got the bomb, but that's okay
    'Cos the balance of power's maintained that way
    Who's next?
    Who's Next?, Tom Lehrer
  • February 24, 2009
    silver2195
    There's nothing "possibly" about Israel.
  • February 24, 2009
    JethroQWalrustitty
    It's an open secret, really.
  • February 24, 2009
    Some Guy
    Wait, wait, hold on- we have pages about countries' nuclear arsenals? Where?
  • February 24, 2009
    Praetyre
    I don't get it either.

    Title Suggestions:

  • February 24, 2009
    Unknown Troper
    why propose this when we could cut the prexisting pages? It's supposes to be useful notes for referance to media, not long rambling essays on whatever your area of expertise is.
  • February 24, 2009
    NeeNee
    Wait, wait, hold on- we have pages about countries' nuclear arsenals? Where?

    Go to Useful Notes. Search for one of the official nuclear weapon countries (which are the four in my first post plus China, but China doesn't have a nuclear page yet). Somewhere on that page should be a trope on the country's nuclear program, probably under some obscure name. Click the link to go to that page.

    Like I said, talk about hard to find.
  • February 24, 2009
    FastEddie
    Not sure either what the by-nation arsenal listings are for, myself. Whether or not a given country has a nuclear capability might make a difference in a story. I suppose there may be some in-story creditability to be gained by getting the missile names and yields right.

    Having that info scattered around a zillion different nation Notes doesn't help much. Seems like one Useful Note on nuke capabilities/details would be the way to roll, divided into sections by nation.
  • February 25, 2009
    Silent Hunter
    Fast Eddie: They're under Atomic Hate.

    Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine all dismantled their weapons or returned them to Russia too quickly for them to warrant separate pages.

    Redirects would be a good idea.
  • February 25, 2009
    Unknown Troper
    This is the first I'm hearing about syria, What did I miss?
  • February 26, 2009
    Martin The Mess
    Israel recently bombed into rubble a secret nuclear research reactor in Syria, apparently one built with help from North Korea. How much fissile material they produced, if any, before the reactor was bombed, no one knows. No one knows if they have any other such secret sites the Israelis didn't know about.
  • February 26, 2009
    Squall
    Israel's is easy: there's a very well-written work concerning, and named, The Samson Option.
  • February 26, 2009
    Unknown Troper
    China needs their own page.

    I think the rest could all be lumped into one "Others" page
  • February 26, 2009
    Silent Hunter
    I agree.
  • February 26, 2009
    Some Guy
    Why exactly do any of these need their own page? It's not like there's examples of any of these. Aside from the Manhatten Project, I can't recall very many works of media that actually use "hey, these guys have nukes" as a serious trope point. It'd be like having a page that said "hey, Israelis are Jews" and calling it a trope. We're supposed to be about theory and implications, not basic Real Life facts.
  • February 26, 2009
    NeeNee
    Useful Notes is all about Real Life facts.
  • February 26, 2009
    Some Guy
    Right, so one page. Not several.
  • February 26, 2009
    NeeNee
    Useful Notes is already hundreds of pages. A few more or less will hardly matter.

    I don't really see the point of making this either, but yours is not an argument.
  • March 1, 2009
    Silent Hunter
    I'll launch ~The Dragon's Teeth~ tomorrow.
  • March 1, 2009
    Some Guy
    My objection to this is that these are all completely mundane concepts. The articles about the nukes are written the same way a Wikipedia article is written. If they used obvious Exactly What It Says On The Tin names, this wouldn't be a problem. But we're giving them ridiculous, wacky, impossible to search for names instead, which defeats the entire purpose of them in the first place.

    To wit- Tropes are supposed to be concepts. They need catchy names in order for people to remember them. This is basic information. People do not search for The Dragons Teeth when they want to know about the Chinese nuclear program. Heaven knows why they would even search this site for information about the Chinese nuclear program in the first place.
  • March 1, 2009
    Praetyre
    Frankly, I don't see why the nuclear arsenals of nearly any nation need a page here (save for Cold War history and nuclear safety measures). But, I'm just suggesting titles.
  • March 3, 2009
    Silent Hunter
    Some Guy: People wouldn't search this site, no. But would any of use here ever visit FAS or Global Security.org on a whim?

    We're not Wikipedia. We crack jokes in these articles. We give examples of their appearances in fiction when Wikipedia is removing those categories. We don't provide stuff like CEP and length of second stage. These articles are here to educate people and help them understand, as well as write their own fiction.

    Yes, I will add redirects, but the articles have a point here.
  • March 17, 2009
    Squall
    For The Samson Option, the trope concept would technically be Take As Many With Us As We Can, mentioned elsewhere on here, or Ultimate Deterrent. The latter should definitely be a trope, if it's not already and I'm missing the exact phrase for it.

Three days must pass before this YKTTW is Launchworthy or Discardable

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