Created By: SeptimusHeap on August 13, 2013 Last Edited By: ShanghaiSlave on October 25, 2013
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Rule Of Cast Attractiveness

The cast of a work is on average more attractive than the general populace.

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The cast of a work is on average more attractive than the general populace.

The selection of cast members during the production of a work is not just a matter of how well an actor/actress plays a role; it's also about the actor's invariable individual characteristics.

Basically, the more people go to watch a given work a particular cast has a role in, the better. Or, in these terms, the more attractive a person, the more likely they will make a career as cast members.

Can lead to Adaptational Attractiveness. Supertrope to Hollywood Homely, Hollywood Old, Hollywood Pudgy and Hollywood Thin, Playing Gertrude and Real Women Have Curves. Compare Big Bra to Fill, Generic Cuteness and Most Common Superpower.

Please limit examples to discussed, conversed, lampshaded and justified entries.

Examples:

    Film 
  • Discussed in Last Action Hero, when the Genre Savvy kid points out that everybody's attractive, particularly the clerk who is way too attractive to be working at Blockbuster.
    I agree, she should be working with us... undercover

Indexes: Characters and Casting, Tropes In Aggregate

Community Feedback Replies: 59
  • August 13, 2013
    Larkmarn
    How is this related to Generic Cuteness or Hollywood Homely? Possibly as a supertrope to them?

    ... also, if it's discussed/lampshaded/etc. wouldn't it not be trivia?
  • August 13, 2013
    Koveras
    I thought this was already covered by Hollywood Homely, no?
  • August 13, 2013
    justanotherrandomlurker
    Doesn't this basically cover like every single TV show ever in today's day and age?
  • August 13, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    This is essentially a Trivia in aggregate about actor choices. I want only these Played With examples as "actor is attractive" is a) not an example and b) Fetish Fuel.

    • Generic Cuteness is about the style of animated characters. Not even close to this.
    • Hollywood Homely, to my understanding is "normal looking characters are portrayed as ugly In Universe". A subtrope of this maybe, but not the same.

    Part of my idea comes from these posts.

    And yes, this covers pretty much every work in this day and age, I suspect. That's why I want only Played With examples - a list of straight examples would be "any character in TV ever that I find hot".
  • August 13, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    When adapting a work can often lead to Adaptational Attractiveness.
  • August 13, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    ^I agree with making such a note.

    That said, I think it might be discussed to use this for casting in general instead of actors specifically.
  • August 13, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    Yeah, this works best as a casting trope.

    By the way, do we have enough of those to make an index, if we don't have one already?
  • August 13, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    So that's one vote in favour of expanding this to casting in general.

    As for Dragon's question, off the top of my head Hollywood Thin and Hollywood Homely seem like they exist because of this.
  • August 13, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    ^^ We have the Characters And Casting index.
  • August 13, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ Thank you.

    ^^ Certainly those tropes can come from this.
  • August 13, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    That said, if expanded to casts in general instead of actors specifically, would this still be a Trope In Aggregate as defined on that page.
  • August 13, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ Yeah.
  • August 13, 2013
    DAN004
    One of the Omnipresent Tropes I think? (Except this isn't really a trope.) :P
  • August 13, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    Part of the problem I have is that "actors are more attractive than average people" seems different from "casts are on average more attractive than average RL humans"
  • August 14, 2013
    robbulldog
    Discussed in Last Action Hero, when the Genre Savvy kid points out that everybody's attractive, particularly the clerk who is way too attractive to be working at Blockbuster.
    • I agree, she should be working with us... undercover
  • August 15, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    Added that, and rewrote the description a bit. Are there any more comments or examples?
  • August 15, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    I assume Big Bra To Fill is some kind of aversion to this, aye? And that Hollywood Pudgy, Hollywood Old, Playing Gertrude and Real Women Have Curves ought to be referenced if they are in any way related.
  • August 15, 2013
    lexicon
    This sounds like what used to be called Cookie Cutter Cuties
  • August 15, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    That would have been a consequence of this trope. Not the same thing, though.
  • August 15, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    So since there are In Universe examples, perhaps this could work as an In Universe Examples Only trope? That way, even though this is a legit concept, it could curb possible complaining.
  • August 15, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    I have difficulty imagining what an In Universe example for this would look like. The thing about Tropes In Aggregate is that isolated examples can't exist, In Universe or no.

    That's why I went with the solution used for Most Common Superpower.
  • August 15, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ That is counted as In Universe, since characters are noting it within the show.
  • August 15, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    What would an In Universe example of this look like, in your opinion?
  • August 15, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ Again, characters noting it in the show in the way you put in the description.
  • August 15, 2013
    Lumpenprole
    Averted in much British programming; it's almost as if the BBC has a mandate to keep homely actors and actresses employed.
  • August 15, 2013
    TalonisWolf
    What about the new Immortal Instruments Movie? Someone please confirm this, just so I have a better idea on what to look for.
  • August 15, 2013
    randomsurfer
    In the Gor book series it's mentioned on more than one occasion that the Beautiful Slave Girls are more attractive than most women on earth - specifically, the "most beautiful woman on Earth" is only slightly above average on Gor. This, however, doesn't preclude various factions on Gor stealing Earth women to become slaves on Gor.
  • August 15, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ That isn't casting.
  • August 16, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    OK, I added some items.

    Now, for the example suggestions:
    • BBC: If nobody has objections, I'll add that.
    • Immortal Instruments Movie: Don't know that, will need context.
    • Gor: Not what we are going for here.
  • August 19, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    Bump. Can we get more opinions on this, please?
  • August 19, 2013
    spiderwing
    Not sure how this fits in, but the BBC thing is interesting. I was initially impressed that Eve Myles got such a large part on Torchwood. Not that she's particularly unattractive, but she struck me as being very ordinary looking.

    Then I ran into (American based) fandom gushing about her being so very gorgeous. So *some* part of this may well come from "On TV therefore attractive" rather than "extremely attractive therefore on TV".

  • August 19, 2013
    KJMackley
    I think in basic principle this is covered by The Beautiful People, a "too good to be true" level of casting. It's already bordering on subjective so anything so specific as "just the main cast" would be a problem.
  • August 19, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ That's why I suggested this have In Universe Examples Only in the description.
  • August 19, 2013
    KJMackley
    A) There aren't a whole lot of examples after 33+ replies. B) It is basically The Beautiful People with fewer examples because you are limiting it to In Universe. C) If limited to In Universe discussions on the appearance of the characters it basically falls under Informed Attractiveness.
  • August 19, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ Well there would be more of a distinction if it was about the casting more than the actual beauty.
  • August 19, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    Re: The Beautiful Elite. The Beautiful Elite is about an elite group, that is often good looking. This is a casting trope.

    About Informed Attractiveness: Yeah, that doesn't count.
  • August 20, 2013
    KJMackley
    If this trope is "Attractive people get casted more" then it should be example-less because it is very broad and omnipresent, except maybe lampshade hangings like in that Last Action Hero example. If this trope is "The cast is abnormally attractive" I can't see it as an objective trope because "abnormally attractive" is subjective. I've already stated there is some strong similarities to The Beautiful Elite and Informed Attractiveness (I recognize the differences in principle but you have to consider what the examples will turn out to be, if 90 percent of examples overlap there is a problem).

    The only idea I could really get behind would be a "Everyone Is A Model" trope and list obvious aversions. The reason is that casting people who look good on camera is expected and virtually omnipresent. But deliberately casting people and making them look unattractive on camera is much more notable, after all see Beauty Is Never Tarnished. Scrubs once lampshaded the idea (in reference to Greys Anatomy) while taking note that their cast and extras had some less-attractive people. The Big Bang Theory also goes out of their way to make their cast very unfashionable and awkward, even the fashionable Penny can sometimes be seen in dirty clothes.
  • August 20, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    This trope is exactly what the laconic talks about. Also, so far I don't see any overlap with Informed Attractiveness and The Beautiful Elite.
  • August 20, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    "then it should be example-less because it is very broad and omnipresent"

    That assumes it's never called out in works, when it is.
  • August 20, 2013
    KJMackley
    Then where are the examples? Seriously, if it is so rampantly called out in works then we should have several dozen lampshades by now instead of two (Last Action Hero and Scrubs). My "Everyone is a Model" suggestion seems to be what the trope is getting at but I don't see how it is viable as an active trope when an editor can choose any work at random and point out that the cast is attractive. That is one of the difficulties of all Tropes In Aggregate tropes, because how do you break down widespread trends into single examples?
  • August 20, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    OK, mate? I specifically said that I only want lampshaded, discussed, conversed and justified entries. These examples you are concerned about are not on anyway.

    And using only certain referenced Played With examples is a widespread, perfectly acceptable way of obtaining examples for Tropes In Aggregate. See Most Common Superpower and There Are No Therapists for example.
  • August 21, 2013
    KJMackley
    I think I am giving off the wrong impression. I like the idea but I've had several YKTTW's where it ends up "Good idea, where are the examples?" That's the same feeling I'm getting with this trope when thinking of "playing with" examples, unless we list straight examples I think that pretty much all important facets of this idea are covered by the tropes I and others have mentioned, leaving really nothing for this trope to catalog.
  • August 21, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    The example thing is worrying in fact. That said, I think we could make a case for having this trope exampleless.

    As for the "covered by other tropes" bit, still not seeing it, to be honest.
  • August 22, 2013
    KJMackley
    Well just think about it, for being a supertrope to a lot of other tropes it has an awfully narrow criteria to be an example. A production has to be meta enough to be aware it is not depicting a real life sampling of the population with regards to attractiveness... exactly. The same general idea is what drives tropes like Informed Attractiveness, which demands that among a cast of exceptionally attractive people you have to make it clear which one is the MOST attractive (which would not be as difficult if the "sampling" was more true-to-life). Or The Beautiful People where the characters are both abnormally attractive and living in a highly idealized world (when realistically not everyone in such a world is attractive too).
  • August 22, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    The example criteria are there because "attractive cast" is too problematic to use as an example.

    Informed Attractiveness, from the description, seems to rely in part on this concept.

    The Beautiful Elite (which is the proper name; The Beautiful People is a redirect) has this to say ". They are more fashionable than anyone else, more sophisticated and charming than anyone else, and are usually fabulously rich." That makes it sound to me it's about a subgroup in a society.
  • August 22, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    Ah, now I see. The Beautiful People was misused as, in part, "attractive cast" and that caused it to be renamed.

    And yeah, lampshaded entries would fall under Informed Attractiveness. Which makes me think that maybe turning this into a supertrope akin to Symbolism may work better.
  • August 22, 2013
    FastEddie
    This just restates Hollywood Homely.
  • August 22, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    That sounds more like an effect of this, rather than exactly the same.
  • August 22, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    ^ Exactly and SeptimusHeap already said that in the fourth post on this page.

    EDIT: Why am I telling you this since it was you who said it? :D
  • August 25, 2013
    XFllo
    When I saw the working title, I immediately thought of tropes like Fair Cop, Hot Mom, Hot Dad, Hospital Hottie, Hello Attorney, Hot Scientist... I thought this might work as an index of related tropes.
  • August 25, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ Yes, that is a good point.

    Also, not too fond of the name. It makes it look like a Rule Of Index trope.
  • August 25, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    I suspect that these tropes there are at least in part occupation-specific variants of this.

    I didn't think of the Rule Of Index thing. Maybe Law Of Cast Attractiveness?

    Also, someone will have to define Hollywood Homely for me. That page's description rambles quite a bit - some parts of it talk of this, others don't.
  • August 25, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    ^ The laconic of Hollywood Homely: Beautiful people pretending to be ugly.

    It basically means that even when viewers are supposed to consider a character ugly, that character is still played by an actor/actress who's anything but ugly. In Hollywood a woman called "Ugly Betty" is just America Ferrera with braces and glasses.
  • August 25, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    OK, I am seeing what's going on there. Hollywood Homely will need a TRS, since half of the description talks about this, then it ends into a "Please note this is only when they are called ugly In Universe" note. I'll bring it up in Trope Description Improvement.
  • August 25, 2013
    KJMackley
    Hollywood Homely is basically "Informed Ugliness," where the standards of beauty are so high that perfectly attractive individuals are labeled unattractive because that is the demands of the character. It's one of the many side effects of this trope.

    The honest truth is that the idea is perfectly valid but I don't think we lose anything by not having it, since Hollywood Homely and Informed Attractiveness basically cover both sides of the spectrum. It's just a very broad and vague concept about the fact people who look good on camera will get cast over those who don't.
  • August 25, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    This is not meant to be lampshaded, though. Also, I recall in previous TRS threads that there are various "attractive cast" tropes which ought to be rolled together into a supertrope so that they don't proliferate. Dispersing them through several tropes with lots of unrelated material does not help, which is why we use supertropes.

    eta: You know, I am willing to leave this exampleless if it creates so much bickering.
  • September 9, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    Anyone else? I really want to have a definitive discard/continue decision here.
  • September 9, 2013
    jamespolk
    This is not a trope. All this is saying is that actors as a group tend to be prettier than the rest of us.
  • September 9, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    Yeah, there was the idea of making it Trivia, because of that.
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