Created By: MarqFJAMarch 9, 2012 Last Edited By: DiscarJanuary 19, 2013
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Band of Heroes

A group of heroes working together as a team.

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Born from this TRS about Five Man Band; specifically, from this post and the ones after it.

Tags: No Launching Please, How Did We Miss This One, Rolling Updates
Indexes: Ensembles, The Index Team

Title Voting: Band Of Heroes (2 votes), Team Of Heroes, Heroic Team, Hero Team, Heroic Ensemble (2 votes), Fellowship Of Heroes (1), and The Team (4 votes).

A group of people formed up into a team, whose members are split along particular roles and possess skills which complement one another and contribute to the entire group in their own unique way. Many of the most common team roles are listed under The Index Team. The Team may or may not have an actual name of its own.

Most importantly, the Team has to have teamwork as its basic modus operandi; that is, they would seek to tackle any problems that any of their group encounters together, unless circumstances dictate otherwise (e.g. one of them has been ambushed while away from the others, or the problem involves participating in an official competition of one-on-one matches).

They can sometimes be a Ragtag Bunch Of Misfits. They may eventually become a Fellowship Of True Companions, if they don't start as one in the first place.

If the team's membership is large enough, there may be two or more characters holding the same "role", though often in different ways; a team may for example have an Omnidisciplinary Scientist-slash-Gadgeteer Genius as the tech-savvy Smart Guy and The Strategist-slash-The Chessmaster as the tactics/manipulation-savvy Smart Guy. Likewise, you may have two Big Guys, each of whom has a distinct fighting style -- e.g. one is the long-range heavy-weapons specialist with a mean haymaker if you come up close, the other is the Big Freaking Sword-wielding close-quarters bruiser -- or they're a Battle Couple duo, with the female half being possibly a case of Cute Bruiser and/or Muscles Are Meaningless (unless Amazonian Beauty is in play), and their respective fighting styles follow some sort of a "masculine vs. feminine" contrast (and not necessarily with the "right" sex)

This is the Super Trope to Power Trio and Team of Five. If it's a military group, it's The Squad. If enough members are legitimately Badass, it may also be a Badass Crew. They can also be a Dream Team. Compare and contrast Band Of Brothers.

Examples

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[[folder: Anime & Manga]] [[/folder]]

[[folder: Film - Live-Action]]
  • The Fellowship of the Ring in The Lord Of The Rings, which was formed for the purpose of destroying the One Ring by going into the deepest parts of Mordor and casting it into the volcanic fires of Mount Doom, where it was originally forged.
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[[folder: Live-Action TV]]
  • In Noob by Season 3, the Noob guild has six members, and goes through two notable temporary seventh ones.
    • The show has an Ensemble Cast, with Artheon being the closest to the Five Man Band definition of The Hero. All There In The Manual states that Fantom (temporary member) fills the Jack Of All Stats aspect.
    • Omega Zell is The Lancer to Artheon.
    • The Big Guy (and usually tank) role has Artheon, Nazetrime during her brief tenure, then Fantom gets hired due to his capacity to fill the role despite the opportunity to show it never coming up afterwards.
    • The Smart Guy (and usually the one who nukes), is shared by Gaea (mostly self-serving planning), Ivy (Gadgeteer Genius), Artheon as part of his Leader role and Fantom on select occasions.
    • The Heart / The Chick role is shared by Sparadrap and Couette, who are also both (sort of) The Medic.
    • The Sixth Ranger is naturally Golgotha, the closest thing the team has to a second permanent big guy. Couette, qualifies also with her sporadic presence and Ystos is somewhere between this and Big Brother Mentor.
  • Firefly maintained an ensemble cast that portrayed the nine crew members of the ship, Serenity. The crew is driven by the need to secure enough income to keep their ship operational, set against their need to keep a low profile to avoid their adversaries.
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[[folder: Video Games]]
  • Every one of the Suikoden games has it. One Hundred Percent Completion requires having 108 characters on your team, a significant number of which are fighters, and using all their abilities to succeed in certain areas. Go ahead and try to divide them all up into classic character rolls.
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[[folder: Webcomics]]
  • The Order Of The Stick is a group of six adventurers and eventually two TeamPets. Some of the roles are distributed among several characters, notably by having two or three major damage-dealers and two people capable of outsmarting the leader.
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Community Feedback Replies: 77
  • March 9, 2012
    dalek955
    Not sure we need this. We already have a swarm of tropes about groups of heroes. If you really want a page for every type of such a group, I suggest you make it a subindex, rather than a trope.
  • March 9, 2012
    lu127
    This should not have examples. It's too general, and can only work as an exampleless supertrope.
  • March 9, 2012
    MarqFJA
    ^^ Band Of Heroes is intended to be the Super Trope to all of those tropes.

    ^ If the Troper Consensus concludes that it is indeed unfeasible for this trope to have an example list, then it will be made exampleless. Keep in mind, however, that we're still in the process of hammering out the definition; it may get narrowed down a bit such that there's no need to make it exampleless.
  • March 9, 2012
    dalek955
    I second no examples. Still think it should be made a subindex. Remember, indices can have large descriptions, so you could still use your written definition.
  • March 10, 2012
    Discar
    I suggested this one before (or agreed with someone else's suggestion, can't recall), but it got shot down. I still think it's a great idea; the various Five Man Band roles show up a lot, even though the actual band of five is getting increasingly rare. It should work as a high-level supertrope.

  • March 11, 2012
    shimaspawn
    This needs examples because all those subtropes are decaying thanks to Missing Supertrope Syndrome causing them to get examples shoved in whatever happens to be the closest trope. It's bad for all of the subtropes. Not having examples her would perpetuate the decay.

    Ideally, this would be a supertrope + index with examples to stop the trope decay.
  • March 12, 2012
    Belian
    • The Video Game/Suikoden games. Every Suikoden game. 100% completion requires having 108 characters on your team, a significant number of which are fighters, and using all their abilities to succeed in certain areas. Go ahead and try to divide them all up into classic character rolls.

    I'm not sure how people ended up choosing the Five Man Band in the main page, but it could not have been easy.
  • March 12, 2012
    shimaspawn
    ^ It sounds like it should probably be removed. A lot of Five Man Band examples are badly shoehorned because they lacked a proper supertrope.
  • March 15, 2012
    Soupdragon
    I would actually feel for a most triumphant example per subtrope instead of leaving with just more potholes. I have had problems with searching whole indexes of supretropes to see if this or that trope is the one I'm looking for.
  • March 16, 2012
    Discar
    Made a minor formatting fix.

    Anyone have any problems with the title? We've still got the Needs A Better Title tag, but I think Band Of Heroes is perfect.
  • March 16, 2012
    shimaspawn
    ^^ That just causes edit wars and is generally a bad policy. The point of supertropes is to catch examples that don't fit in subtropes.
  • March 18, 2012
    MarqFJA
    I'm thinking of including a list of the tropes that Band Of Heroes frequently uses from The Index Team or the Heroes index, with brief explanations of their role in the team. So far, I have The Leader, The Lancer, The Smart Guy, The Big Guy, The Chick, The Face, and Big Good. Any opinions?
  • March 18, 2012
    shimaspawn
    Band Of Heroes can use any archetype. It's that high level of a trope. I think that would just make a mess of the description.
  • March 18, 2012
    Aries
    What about... oh I don't know... the goddamn Justice League?!
  • March 18, 2012
    shimaspawn
    ^ Write it as a full example. That's bad form.
  • May 13, 2012
    Discar
    Bump.
  • May 19, 2012
    Discar
    And another bump. Right now, we just need more examples.
  • May 20, 2012
    Xtifr
    Hmm, one good way to find examples would be to look at the wicks for Five Man Band, and pick of some of the many, many shoehorned and misapplied examples that actually belong here.
  • August 10, 2012
    Discar
    BIIIIG bump. Someone (Marq, I assume) tagged this as No Launching Please, but the lack of this trope is still causing problems for Five Man Band. Let's wrap this up.
  • August 10, 2012
    LordGro
    Between the name and the description, it's not quite clear to me how general this trope is supposed to be. The definition says that teamwork is decisive, but "Band of Heroes" wouldn't necessarily imply that. If teamwork is central to the definition, then it should be "Team of Heroes" (or "Hero Team", "Heroic Team") rather.

    Take, for example, King Arthur's Knights of the Round Table. No doubt they're a literal band of heroes; but they are not particularly known for teamwork. So maybe either the name is a bit too broad, or the definition a bit too specific.
  • August 12, 2012
    Arivne
    ^^ The OP Marq FJA hasn't edited this in five months. It is therefore considered Up For Grabs according to the rules on that page and No Launching Please.
  • August 12, 2012
    acrobox
    instead of this being Band Of Heroes (which implies action and adventuring series) why not call in like Group Dynamics that way it can take all the shoe horned examples of Five Man Band, allowing for any number of people with distinct or overlapping roles. what people really want, and use Five Man Band for, is to list all the main characters and their usual characterization in one spot on the trope page anyway regardless of genre or premise
  • August 13, 2012
    Xtifr
    I definitely think this is worth salvaging in some form or other.

    This is currently a shoehorned and incorrect example under Five Man Band. Sadly, it's also the page image for the Live Action TV section of that trope, when it doesn't even fit the trope

  • August 15, 2012
    MarqFJA
    Sorry, been sidetracked by real life, and also dismotivated after what seemed like countless bumpings of this YKTTW draft to little effect; I figured I could try again after the then-recent uproars about drastic policy changes settled down. Nice to see that someone else cares enough to help out.

    And to be honest, the teamwork part of the definition was an attempt on my part to avoid Trope Decay, though it seems to have backfired. Should we relax that requirement a bit?

    ^^^ Does it count if I come back to regular editing/posting here?
  • August 24, 2012
    Xtifr
    I'm in favor of keeping this about teams, even if it means changing the name. "Any random collection of heroes who (temporarily) work towards a common goal" doesn't seem much like a trope. :)

    Do we want a lower limit? My opinions on allowing duos is...mixed. But three would certainly seem to be enough.
  • August 24, 2012
    SeptimusHeap
    Maybe we should start the description with the "teamwork" rather than the "band" limit. The teamwork is key; the band less so.
  • September 11, 2012
    MarqFJA
    I'm open to suggestions.
  • September 15, 2012
    Nazetrime
    I know of a couple teams that have been shoehorned into the Five Man Band that have a better place here :
    • Live-Action TV
    • In Noob by Season 3, the Noob guild has six members, and goes through two notable temporary seventh ones.
      • The show has an Ensemble Cast, with Artheon being the closest to the Five Man Band definition of The Hero. All There In The Manual states that Fantom (temporary member) fills the Jack Of All Stats aspect.
      • Omega Zell is The Lancer to Artheon.
      • The Big Guy (and usually tank) role has Artheon, Nazetrime during her brief tenure, then Fantom gets hired due to his capacity to fill the role despite the opportunity to show it never coming up afterwords.
      • The Smart Guy (and usually nuker), is shared by Gaea (mostly self-serving planning), Ivy (Gadgeteer Genius), Artheon as part of his Leader role and Fantom on select occasions.
      • The Heart / The Chick role is shared by Sparadrap and Couette, who are also both (sort of) The Medic.
      • The Sixth Ranger is naturally Golgotha, the closest thing the team has to a second permanent big guy. Couette, qualifies also with her sporadic presence and Ystos is somewhere between this and Big Brother Mentor.

    I think The Order Of The Stick should be here also (as three different people have The Big Guy role for starters), but need more time figuring out the other roles in case they are spread also.

  • September 20, 2012
    ChaoticNovelist
    I like this. 'Group of heroes' is what's behind a lot of Five Man Band misuse. With this we can bleed off that stuff.
  • October 6, 2012
    MarqFJA
    ^ Exactly why I made this in the first place.
  • October 9, 2012
    Xtifr
    So, lets go through all the Five Man Band subpages, grab examples that don't fit there, and move them here. We'll have this thing full of examples in no time! :)

    (Also, check the history of the FMB subpages for recently-cut examples.)

    eta: Also, don't forget to advertise this YKTTW on the FMB cleanup page in the Special Efforts forum, if you haven't already.
  • October 9, 2012
    Nocturna
    ^ Though the only examples which should be grabbed are ones that don't fit in the Five Man Band direct supertrope (two pairs of foils and a mediator) either.
  • October 10, 2012
    norsicnumber2nd
    ^ Not until it's launched?
  • October 10, 2012
    Nocturna
    ^ Huh? I was saying that incorrect examples from Five Man Band should first be considered for its direct supertrope, and then, only if they don't fit that either, they should go here (as this is the broadest level supertrope).
  • October 10, 2012
    norsicnumber2nd
    ^ I was wondering if you should ignore the direct supertrope until it's launched. Doesn't matter though.
  • October 10, 2012
    Nocturna
    ^ There's Sandbox.Five Man Band Cleanup for sorting examples pre-launch.
  • November 16, 2012
    Tutups
    Not sure if this is subversion due to use of Black Comedy but Supernatural Ep5.13

    Dean: Well... this is it. Sam: This is what? Dean: Team Free Will. One ex-blood junkie, one dropout with six bucks to his name, and Mr. Comatose over there. It's awesome. Sam: It's not funny. Dean: I'm not laughing.

  • November 18, 2012
    Irrisia
    The first season of Digimon Adventure: Taichi, Yamato, Koushiro, Mimi, Jou, Sora, Takeru, and later addition Sixth Ranger Hikari. Plus, 7 or 8 team pets.
  • December 18, 2012
    MarqFJA
    Is the current description okay? I'm getting the feeling that it's a bit clunky.
  • January 6, 2013
    Discar
    The current description is fine. Or as good as it's gonna get in YKTTW, anyway. Can we please launch this now? The Five Man Band cleanup has been held up a bit because this is stalling.
  • January 6, 2013
    LordGro
    As teamwork is so vital according to the description, maybe the title should be Team Of Heroes, Heroic Team or Hero Team rather.

    Edit: Come to think of it, Heroic Ensemble might be the most accurate name.
  • January 6, 2013
    lexicon
    I'd like Fellowship Of Heroes. I think that makes them sound most united.

    • Firefly maintained an ensemble cast that portrayed the nine crew members of the ship, Serenity. The crew is driven by the need to secure enough income to keep their ship operational, set against their need to keep a low profile to avoid their adversaries.
  • January 7, 2013
    Discar
    So far we've got Band Of Heroes, Team Of Heroes, Heroic Team, Hero Team, Heroic Ensemble, and Fellowship Of Heroes. Everyone, cast your votes.

    Speaking of which, did we ever get that tech to attach crowners to YKTTW's implemented?
  • January 7, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    No. Might be something to work on here

  • January 8, 2013
    LordGro
    To me, "Band Of Heroes" suggests something that is closer to Dream Team (btw, the description should probably mention Dream Team somewhere).
  • January 9, 2013
    Nazetrime
    I like Heroic Ensemble best.

    • The Order Of The Stick is a group of six adventurers and enventually two Team Pets. Some of the roles are distrbuted among sevral characters, notably by having two or three major damage dealers and two people capable of outsmarting the leader.
  • January 11, 2013
    acrobox
    this might be throwing a wrench in it, but is the fact that they are Heroes in the adventuring or superheroic sense necessary?

    Can't these kind of ensembles belong to characters in say a Sitcom or a Real Life sports team or presidential cabinet or something. Or does heroes in this case mean protagonists?

    and even then, can't villainous / antagonistic teams have these kinds of group dynamics as well?
  • January 11, 2013
    Discar
    This was created to deal with Five Man Band. We'll worry about Five Bad Band later.

    And it just means "heroes" as in "protagonists."
  • January 11, 2013
    Thecommander236
    Not related to Band Of Brothers.

    How's about Elites Are More Glamorous? Has anyone compared those two together?
  • January 12, 2013
    Discar
    I'm not seeing any connection to Elites Are More Glamorous. That's just about how stories tend to focus on Army Rangers, SWAT, and so on. It doesn't really have any relation to teams except for the fact that elites tend to work in teams.
  • January 13, 2013
    MarqFJA
    I cast my vote to The Team, given that we have The Squad. BTW, shouldn't we do this via crowner? It's more reliable for counting the votes.

    ^^ Why is not related to Band Of Brothers? The two can overlap.
  • January 13, 2013
    Telcontar
    The Team is so bland; I prefer Band Of Heroes, or perhaps Team Of Heroes.
  • January 13, 2013
    Thecommander236
    The Team may confuse people. Band Of Heros may confuse people as well. Because of Five Man Band...
  • January 13, 2013
    Discar
    ^^^ You can't attach crowners to YKTTW's. I suppose we could make a crowner and provide a link at the top, though.
  • January 14, 2013
    Discar
    Bump again. C'mon, we just need votes. Not more examples, not help with the description, just votes.

    Speaking of which, I'm casting mine for Band Of Heroes.
  • January 14, 2013
    Thecommander236
    Band Of Brothers is a series.

    I vote Band Of Heroes. If it needs to be changed later we'll chuck the thing in the repair shop. Now, excuse while I edit the page a little. I have a distinct feeling that this will get very long in the future so I changing it to folders and counting up the votes.

    Also, start looking through the Index Index to find the right indexes/indices this should be filed under when launched.
  • January 14, 2013
    Thecommander236
    Added namespace, folders, totaled the votes, and I will now do a grammar and spell check. I'm not changing wording or meaning. I'm just making it neat. Marq FJA gets all the credit for a fine Super Trope.

    Did that. Forgot the [[/folder]] command. Folders do not appear in YKTTW, but they when you transfer the stuff over after you launch it. Good luck.
  • January 14, 2013
    Discar
    Generally, I just folderize it after it gets out of YKTTW, since it's easier once it's actually on the wiki, but this works too.
  • January 14, 2013
    Thecommander236
    K. Good on ya.
  • January 14, 2013
    acrobox
    I vote for The Team personally
  • January 14, 2013
    Thecommander236
    Added the vote. Band Of Heroes is still winning.
  • January 14, 2013
    Thecommander236
    Can we make the Laconic "This is about a group of heroes working together as a team," so it isn't a fragment?
  • January 15, 2013
    MarqFJA
    Wait wait WAIT! What about non-heroic examples? Do we have any (anti)villain examples of the trope? If there's enough, we may have to do way with the "Heroes" part of the title.
  • January 15, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
  • January 15, 2013
    Thecommander236
    My advice? If this is a Super Trope, take examples from the Sub Tropes and reword them because you don't want to a copywriting prick. Take examples from related tropes as well. Always. I say, ALWAYS! Make sure that you delete the parts from those examples that are not related to the trope or are Natter. I freely admit that I did this in Dramatic Sit Down. Just make sure you aren't violating the law or the rules.
  • January 15, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    There are no subtropes of this except Five Man Band, and that has strict rules. We won't make any more subtropes as these are The Same But More Specific of this.

    Also, "prick" is generally discouraged terminology when talking to people.
  • January 15, 2013
    Discar
    @ Marq: We'll probably have to deal with Five Bad Band and some sort of Band Of Villains trope eventually, but for right now, this is just for Five Man Band.
  • January 15, 2013
    Thecommander236
    Fair enough. I wasn't calling one it. I was just making a point.

    You are forgetting Five Bad Band, though, if this can include villainous examples.
  • January 15, 2013
    acrobox
    i dont feel like there's any reson why this cant apply to villanous teams, or even non heroic teams. Which is why I voted for The Team anyway.

    People just want a trope so they can list out all the main characters and their most salient roles in one place on the trope page. I say make the super trope as broad as possible. The Team.

    The specific types are already covered by Five Man Band Power Trio Four Temperment Ensemble etc.
  • January 15, 2013
    Thecommander236
    Oh damnit, I forgot. I voted Band Of Heroes and this includes villains. Well, we could call it Band Of Heroes League Of Villains.

    Wow, that sounds corny. I wish I could say I was high when I said that. I change my vote to The Team since none of the options sound better.
  • January 15, 2013
    Thecommander236
    Bump, so people can see my edit.
  • January 15, 2013
    Nocturna
    @commander: Examples go on the most specific subtrope applicable. If an example is on a subtrope, it shouldn't also be on the supertrope (as being on the subtrope automatically means it's part of the supertrope).
  • January 15, 2013
    Thecommander236
    Fair. E. Nough. But you can use related trope examples that also fall under the same category.
  • January 17, 2013
    Discar
    So are we broadening this to include villains or not? I'm still on the fence, but if everyone else wants to I'm not going to make a fuss. Though if we are broadening it, I'm moving my vote to The Team.
  • January 17, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    Pick The Team.
  • January 19, 2013
    Discar
    Well, The Team is leading by 4 votes versus 2. Time to launch?

    Also, I made a few minor tweaks to the description to broaden it from just heroes.
  • January 19, 2013
    SeptimusHeap
    Yes. For the record, the Three Rules Of Three applies to names as well.

Three days must pass before this YKTTW is Launchworthy or Discardable