Created By: tryourbreastMay 29, 2012 Last Edited By: tryourbreastJune 6, 2012

Absolute Positioned Firing

Keep shooting at the same position and angle while enemies are staying at where you can't hit.

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When you have a vehicle, ship, airplane... that has turrets mounted on it, it's pretty normal that there will be some dead angles where not a single turret can hit there. Some can even have a dead angle as huge as a semisphere. If the enemies are attacking at where your weaponary can't reach, you should move yourself so that they are out of the dead angle, or just get some support fire, isn't it?

But usually, you won't. You just maintain where you are, keep shooting and wasting your ammo or energy (which is very jarring when nothing is at your firing range), while the enemies are still at the vulnerable spots that your weapon can't shoot there. And you do nothing about them. The whole firing doesn't even react to enemies at the safe spot, or outside the effective firing range - if someone is sitting at here, they'll be able to watch the whole firing like firework show for some time.

Of course, static turret mounted on ground won't count - they can't reposition at all, and the ground cannot either.

See also More Dakka. Compare Spam Attack, A Team Firing. Contrast Point Defenseless, where you're at the firing range instead of the safe spot, and Hero Tracking Failure, where someone actually try to cover the safe spot. Equivalent to a static safe spot in Bullet Hell. Oh, and if you actually do this, you are Too Dumb To Live.

Examples

Games

  • The spellcard Icicle Fall -Easy- of Cirno in Touhou. It leaves a static safe spot in front of the face, which players can keep shooting here at point blank. She doesn't react to this, however.
    • But once you consider the fact that Cirno is an idiot, it's not that surprising.
Community Feedback Replies: 15
  • May 29, 2012
    Lumpenprole
    In WWII, bombers were supposed to fly in formation and cover each other with overlapping fields of fire from their defensive guns. Then the Germans figured out that a bomber was defenseless from directly below, and devised upward shooting guns: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Schrage_Musik&redirect=no
  • May 30, 2012
    Arivne
    ^ Of course that didn't work against bombers with belly turrets like the B-17 and B-24.
  • May 30, 2012
    Arivne
    ^^ Of course some WWII bombers had belly turrets and weren't defenseless from below, like the B-17 and B-24.
  • May 30, 2012
    Lightblade
    Could be one of the ways Point Defenseless manifests itself.
  • May 31, 2012
    Arivne
    Apparently some other Troper was trying to add a post at the same time as I was making my 2:27:59 post above and the Wiki somehow overwrote/merged them. I'll put it below.


    Would Approaching Face Fadeout be a subtrope of this?
  • May 31, 2012
    tryourbreast
    ^^ Point Defenseless is different: you're at the firing range, the weapons just missed you all the way instead. In this trope, you're in the safe spot, not a single weapon can target at you, but they keep firing without repositioning anyway, so the safe spot remains safe.

    ^ I think that's not a subtrope, it sometimes overlap with this though.
  • May 31, 2012
    Hertzyscowicz
    In Equilibrium, Gun Kata seems to be based on the other guy doing this.
  • June 2, 2012
    tryourbreast
    ^ I would suggest clarifing it before adding it to example. At least I don't recognise it as an example as a layman to that work.
  • June 2, 2012
    Stratadrake
    Please eliminate the Example As A Thesis and state the trope thesis up front.
  • June 2, 2012
    nameheregrrer
    Would it count as an example if the ship/whatever with the blind spot is trying to move to bring them to bear but the attackers are able to outmaneuver them?
  • June 2, 2012
    Stratadrake
    If I'm reading the thesis (hidden in paragraph 7) correctly, no....
  • June 2, 2012
    tryourbreast
    ^^ That's Hero Tracking Failure.

    And for the thesis thing, I've cleared it.
  • June 5, 2012
    AgProv
    Real Life: late model British heavy bombers were provided with belly guns to cover what had previously been a fatal design flaw. These were automatic guns with no gunner to fire them but still came as a shock to the Luftwaffe. German infantrymen being trained in infantry anti-tank tactics were specifically trained in exploiting the blind spots presented by Allied tanks - for instance, the front machine gun in a Russian T-34 could not be depressed low enough to deal with an attacker up to fifteen feet in front of it. Therefore a resolute attacker could pop up in this dead zone, throw a magnetic mine, and roll to safety on the other side. German infantrymen received a "kill" badge for every enemy tank they destroyed, and multiples of fives earned them various degrees of the Iron Cross.
  • June 5, 2012
    Neospectre
    I think it would count if the enemy has, let's say, a limited range weapon (ex. guns such as shotguns in shooters have a maximum effective range outside of which they do no damage, no matter how accurately you fire); would it be this trope if the enemy could get closer but chooses to continue firing fruitlessly?
  • June 6, 2012
    tryourbreast
    Of course, outside the maximum effective range is just like having them inside a safe spot.

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