Created By: smittee on November 28, 2012 Last Edited By: smittee on November 30, 2012
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No Pears in Hollywood

Who's Afraid Of Jennifer Lopez's Butt

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This trope refers to film and music videos where the lead female actor or musical performer is slender or trim, but has a distinctively low waist-to-hip ratio, and where the film or video consistently obscures her distinctive figure with a range of filming and production techniques.

Notable examples: Jennifer Lopez and Beyonce. Their full profiles front-on or side-on are rarely seen in film or video. Camera shots are head and torso only, angled so the perspective affects waist to hip or butt dimensions, or cut to new angle/scene before any 'full reveal' of body shape might occur.

The music videos for Nicki Minaj are examples of a counter-trope.
Community Feedback Replies: 21
  • November 28, 2012
    spacemarine50
    How does this compare to Hollywood Thin, Hollywood Homely, and Hollywood Pudgy?
  • November 28, 2012
    SeptimusHeap
    A few tips:

    The concept looks tropeworthy to me, but it will need curation to keep it in line with No Lewdness No Prudishness.
  • November 28, 2012
    MorganWick
    This sounds disturbingly like a Licence To Whine.
  • November 28, 2012
    smittee
    @spacemarine50: thank you for the links. I did search before proposing, but I am pretty new at this, so didn't see these (and may have missed others too). I think this differs in that the Hollywood Thin/Homely/Pudgy tropes are physical 'archetypes', whereas I'm trying to describe what I suspect is a deliberate production decision to hide physical features. Maybe my proposed trope is related to those tropes as attempts to force conformity to an archetype, or to disguise features of an actor that don't conform with an expected physical 'archetype'.

    @Septimus Heap: Thank you for the helpful links and advice. I misunderstood the standard expected at this entry level, so I'll correct the first person problem and mull over the template too. I see how the "No Lewdness No Prudishness" is relevant, but I don't know how to comply beyond editing out slang - which might undermine the point if I futz the edit. I appreciate your reply. And I'll look up Trope "curation" before asking how that happens...

    @Morgan Wick: The link sent me to an empty page. Can you correct the link, or explain how "licence to whine" connects?
  • November 28, 2012
    SeptimusHeap
    License To Whine means "a page whose purpose is to allow Complaining''. We don't allow pages that exist to allow complaining.
  • November 28, 2012
    KarjamP
    Also suffers from Trope Namer Syndrome.
  • November 28, 2012
    smittee
    @Septimus Heap: Coolio and thank you for that extremely prompt reply and info. No whingeing here: a trip down the rabbit-hole on this site got me curious about the movie The Cell, so today I watched it. That re-stirred my curiosity about the rationale behind the hip-hiding phenomenon... and eventually I ended up here, proposing a trope. To think I found you guys while looking up Heinlein.
  • November 28, 2012
    smittee
    @Karjam P: sadly, yes. I was going for the play on "Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf", and I'd just watched The Cell, AND Jennifer Lopez was the first person I'd noticed the phenomenon applied to.

    Any suggestions?
  • November 28, 2012
    smittee
    Deleted, thanks to advice.
  • November 28, 2012
    KarjamP
    You know it's possible to edit replies?

    Just press the pencil icon by your comment.

    In fact, it's possible to edit ALL comments, including those that aren't your own. But doing so without a good reason is not right.
  • November 28, 2012
    DracMonster
    Um, ok, we had a Baby Got Back trope that was basically this as I understand it. It got cut and locked because it was constantly decaying into a fetish page despite repeated cleanups.

    If this does go through it would likely need to be locked on launch.
  • November 28, 2012
    HeartOfAnAstronaut
    Maybe there's a broader trope here about minimising your flaws (I'm speaking figuratively, obviously I don't think that J Lo or Beyonce are in any way physically flawed) or hiding them from cameras? Americas Next Top Model did a few challenges and full episodes devoted to that topic, I'm sure there are plenty of fictional characters who are fussy about how they're filmed and photographed, there's an episode of The Simpsons where a photographer smears vaseline on the lens before photographing Homer... etc etc.
  • November 28, 2012
    SeptimusHeap
    Baby Got Back was something completely different.
  • November 28, 2012
    DracMonster
    ^Actually youre right now that I reread the description. I think it would have the same problem, though. It still looks like a license to objectify.

    There was a HUGE amount of whining to have it restored and I can just see that faction gravitating to this. A more generalized "hide the flaws with camera angles" trope would work if we dont have it.
  • November 28, 2012
    HeartOfAnAstronaut
    We have one about disguising actresses' pregnancies with props and camera angles I believe, but I can't remember what that is.
  • November 28, 2012
    Stratadrake
    Wow, this title is so awkward one "Better name" tag just won't suffice.
  • November 28, 2012
    MorganWick
    The laconic would probably make a better title.
  • November 29, 2012
    smittee
    Okay, I slept on it and woke up knowing that I threw my observation in the ring prematurely and presumptively. I presumed my proposal would be fleshed out or killed by other contributors, and I was naive about protocols and thorny issues. So I'll just sit myself over there in the corner for a while, with my Dunce Hat on, and try to reactivate a few ancient and atrophied academic neurons...

    While I'm doing that:

    @Karjam P: I glared at that screen looking for the 'edit comment' function, but didn't think to click a pencil icon. Thanks for being kind to a dumb newb.

    @Drac Monster: Seems I stumbled into a dangerous alley in an unfamiliar town. Without seeing the cut "Baby Got Back" page, I think my proposal is closer to being inverse- or counter- to that trope. It's not about lewdness/prudeness/fetish-flamewars, it's about what seems to be a deliberate production/editorial decision and the tools used to achieve it...

    @Heart Of An Astronaut: I agree, I think there are broader tropes here about... well, maybe "editorial control of visual character presentation" is more accurate than "minimising flaws". Even so, the notion of minimising natural "flaws" was a trigger for me thinking about this trope - why does it happen in some shows that me and mine watch, who decides it is important to keep these physical characteristics off the screen, and what values are at play? I do think this trope is value-related. The trope about disguising pregnant actors is pretty close, except that's more about continuity for production, characters, and story.

    "The Cell" supplies another related example too: the height differential between Vince Vaughn and Jake Weber is consistently obscured throughout the movie. Canted cameras, slouching, staged positioning, conveniently draped jackets, use of perspective, quick angle cuts or moving field of view, blah blah. Vaughn's natural relative height is distorted throughout. It's not like Weber is a midget, so whuh?

    @Stratadrake: yeah, I know. I already conceded on that one.

    @Morgan Wick: thank you, and I reckon I'll make that change for now. It's in the music industry as well as film, so I don't like the "Hollywood" reference, but until something better comes along...

    I'll go tidy up my draft and develop it some. Thanks for the input guys.
  • November 29, 2012
    spacemarine50
    I think this trope is enforcing Hollywood Thin. Still think those 2 are the same, or same enough to merge.
  • November 29, 2012
    MorganWick
    I think this is specifically about the butt, but that might just make it The Same But More Specific. If not, though, Hollywood Backside?
  • November 30, 2012
    DracMonster
    @smittee: You're correct. The problem is, the page would STILL end up calling attention to women's bottoms.

    However, having said that, it would have a much more objective definition of what is and is not appropriate, so controlling decay would probably be easier.
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