Sympathy For the Hero YKTTW Discussion
|Sympathy For the Hero|
A villain, gray character or bystander feels sympathy or pity for a heroic character.Needs Examples
You are an honest and honorable man, Lord Eddard. Sometimes I forget that, I have met so few of them in my life. When I see what honor and honesty have won you, I understand why.Sympathy for the Devil. There, a hero or Anti-Hero feels sympathy for or relates to a bad guy. Here, a bad guy, morally gray character or Innocent Bystander feels sympathy or pity towards a hero, usually because Being Good Sucks and No Good Deed Goes Unpunished. Of course this may also be just a ploy if done by a villain, and can easily be a lead in to a Not So Different speech, offering to rule together, a Hannibal Lecture and/or trying to Break Them by Talking, etc. Compare It Sucks to Be the Chosen One and Antagonist in Mourning.
- During the Kindly Ones volume of The Sandman, Lucifer notes that while he once swore to destroy Dream (over a fairly trivial matter) he now feels almost sorry for him when he sees the mess that Dream has gotten into.
- There's a scene in The Prophecy where Satan briefly commiserates and shows sympathy to Detective Daggett, (a cop who years earlier lost his faith just before he was set to become a Catholic priest) about how hard it is to believe and keep faith.
- Villain Protagonist Yuri Orlov shows a grudging respect and admiration for Hero Antagonist Agent Valentine several timea in Lord of War, noting Valentine's honesty and integrity, as well as showing some sympathy when Valentine is about to be betrayed by the system he has risked his life defending.
- In the 2003 film version of Peter Pan, Hook uses a Hannibal Lecture on Peter to take away Pan's flight and distract him. Throughout it Hook talks about how Wendy will grow up, and move on, leaving Peter alone, forgotten, and old. At the end he suddenly looks tremendously sad and adds "Just like me".
- Spider-Man2: after Spider-Man saves the train from falling off the tracks, he's exhausted and almost falls off the train. The people in the train pull him back in and lay him on the floor. Peter's lost his mask in the fight, so everyone in the train can see how young he is. One man notes with sympathy "He's... just a kid. No older than my son." One young bystander gives Peter back his mask, and they promise to keep his secret. Then when Doc Oc returns, they all vow to protect him. Unfortunately Doc Oc doesn't have a problem with that.
- In A Song of Ice and Fire, The Spymaster Varys berates Mr. Honor Before Reason himself, Ned Stark, for the various huge political mistakes that Ned made in attempting to be The Good Chancellor until Ned says that it was all in attempt to be merciful to innocent children. At that point Varys makes a statement that both admires Ned's integrity and weighs the cost of those mistakes, (Ned is injured and feverish while Locked in the Dungeon, his best friend was murdered, one of his daughters taken captive by his enemies, all of his men killed, etc.) where he basically concludes that no wonder other people don't try to be a hero like Ned.
- Near the end of the Lord of the Rings series, Saruman does a bit of this mixed with hatred (Saruman being The Resenter after all) to Frodo when Frodo shows him mercy despite Saruman doing his best to destroy Frodo's homeland and after Saurman's attempt Back Stab him.
Saruman rose to his feet and stared at Frodo. There was a strange look in his eyes of mingled wonder and respect and hatred. "You have grown, Halfling," he said "Yes, you have grown very much. You are wise, and cruel. You have robbed my revenge of its sweetness, and now I must go hence in bitterness, in debt to to your mercy. I hate it and you!"
- Near the end of the Harry Turtledove series World War, Nazi commando Otto Skorzeny has a moment where he both admires the bravery and skills of a couple of Polish sharpshooters sent after him. (He mentions even complementing one on his marksmanship while handing the guy his trigger finger.) He also has a moment of pity for the city full of Jews and Poles that he is about to blow up.
- In The Bible, Pontius Pilate only reluctantly allows Jesus' execution, acknowledging that he had done no wrong by Roman laws. This has carried over to numerous portrayals of Pilate.
- In Gor book Outlaw of Gor, when Tarl returns to Gor he finds that his city has been reduced to rubble by the Priest-Kings, and a mind-altered representative of the Priest-Kings shows up to inform him that it's all Tarl's fault. But Tarl sees that the man who is being used as a puppet by the Priest-Kings is crying for him - he feels pity for Tarl, the one emotion that's forbidden in Gorean custom.
- In the novelization of the Mortal Kombat movie, Goro sadly tells Johnny Cage's friend Art that Art fought well just before killing him at Shang Tsung's command.
- In one X Files episode that takes place in a carnival, a member of the freak show wonders how Mulder can bear to be so perfectly normal in appearance.
- This was the central idea for the song Superman by Five For Fighting. John Ondrasik said the inspiration was thinking about how Superman is missing out on living because of his Chronic Hero Syndrome.
- In Cyrano de Bergerac, De Guiche, initially a villainous character, comes to feel great respect for Cyrano. He recognizes that Cyrano doesn't prosper because he never sacrifices his principles, and he (De Guiche) lives a life of prosperity because he does, and part of him wishes he had Cyrano's moral courage.