Created By: TheChainMan on June 13, 2011 Last Edited By: Gardetrace on March 30, 2016
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Double Standard Nudity

A nude female has to be censored while a nude male doesn't, even in the same situation.

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Picture the riots if this was a girl peeing

So you've decided to see the newest anime, Bob and the Seven Haremettes. You're having fun watching it, it's a bit Strictly Formula but it has some nice comedy. It eventually gets to the mandatory Onsen Episode, and you're hyped up to see Alice in the nude! But wait, what's this? Censor Steam is covering her entire body from the neck down? And then they change to the men side and you see Bob's bare butt. For half a minute. What the hell? This show is aimed at males, and there isn't a Periphery Demographic, so what gives?

You've fallen on a Double Standard that says men are not to be censored no matter how much they show, but women are, always. This can sometimes be explained as Naked People Are Funny but Naked Men Are Funnier; however, when the men are clearly being used in a sexual way, there's no excuse.

One explanation is female nudity is seen as alluring, whereas male nudity is not. In the West (generalizing broadly), any amount of nudity will ratchet up the rating on a product very quickly; so since there's no point limiting the potential audience for the sake of something not thought to appeal to them, most nudity seen in films and the like will be female. In the East, however, male nudity, especially that of children, is seen as harmless and funny, so it crops up more often than the more risque female equivalent.

Note that the trope is fulfilled ONLY if something is actually censored AND its opposite-sex equivalent is not. If one of the sexes has nothing to censor (i.e., various cuts of Superman either show or censor naked baby Clark Kent's junk but the same movie has no naked baby Supergirl to either show or censor), then there's no double standard.

Compare Right Through His Pants, Male Frontal Nudity.


Examples

Anime and Manga
  • Hoshizora e Kakaru Hashi might be one of the most notable examples, simply because it's not even trying to hide how much they're playing up the Cute Shotaro Boy for Fanservice, yet he averts Nipple and Dimed and shows his bare butt while the girls get covered by streams of light. This turned the kid into a Base Breaker. A joke says if they're trying to boost DVD sales, they should censor him instead.
  • Oniichan No Koto Nanka Zenzen Suki Ja Nain Dakara Ne pulled up a Censor Box at utterly random times... yet never to cover Shuusuke's butt. Or Shuusuke's huge nipples. Or Shuusuke's yaoi-ish scene.
  • Inukami! has the main guy ending naked and mistaken for a streaker as a Running Gag, there are plenty of manlyGay almost-nude extras and the Big Bad walks around showing his naked lower body... but the girls never go beyond the rare Swimsuit Episode, and any more is censored if given the case.
  • Is This a Zombie? (AKA Kore wa Zombie desu ka?) forces main guy Ayumu to crossdress as a Magical Girl and gives Panty Shots and other similar shots of him. While the TV series isn't as bad as the other examples (It's not used much and the girls do get some Fanservice too), the OVA falls squarely into this as they crank the Female Gaze Up to Eleven and there are lots of shots of his ass the entire episode, yet the girls get much less Male Gaze (And it's tamer overall).
  • Baka to Test to Shoukanjuu is a non-nudity variant: Not counting how much they play Hideyoshi up, there's all the yaoi scenes involving Akihisa, who is also forced to crossdress at least twice. The girls get one of two breast-focused shots and the rare cosplay. It was so bad, the Pool Episode showed more of Hideyoshi than all of the girls put together!
  • Entirely averted in Berserk. Apparently stories set in Crapsack World Medieval Stasis make a point of showing all nudity equally.
  • The Onsen Episode of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. Do we get to see female nudity? Nope. But we sure get to look at Simon and Kamina's asses. Even worse, the y DVD version adds... Gimmy's shota penis, but no female nudity. At least the manga adaptation does have some actual female fanservice to compensate...
  • Little boys' genitalia in particular seem to be regarded as utterly nonsexual. Goku's can be seen several times throughout the course of Dragon Ball (He's 12 at the time, but drawn in a very childlike way). However, Dragon Ball Kai censors baby Goku's "dragon" and "balls".
  • Photon gets the same treatment of little boy genitalia being left uncensored.
  • Ditto Shin-chan.
  • In One Piece, the author didn't mind showing us Franky's hairy ass in a gag that lasted for two chapters. Same goes for Luffy and Usopp, who are not nearly as Squick - Usopp's ass being showed off in a bath scene and Luffy's ass being showed off in both the aforementioned bath scene and the hilarious "golden balls" scene. However, when the female characters, especially Nami, are bathing, we don't get to see anything that can't be seen when they are clothed (they are often wearing quite skimpy clothes though). No genitals (not shown at the male characters either, however), no nipples, not even an ass shot. The Anime shows Nami's ass a few times, though. Although her ass is poorly drawn. Go to 10:57 in the episode it's shown.
  • "Naruto the Movie: Road to Ninja" has an onsen scene where Naruto and Sakura are bathing with their bizarro world comerades. The male bath has no problem showing us all of the guy's asses, however, the female bath has a lot more steam to obscure the girl's assets. There, was one point where Bizarro Hinata's ass would have been visible, but the camera immediately goes to the next scene. An ass is an ass, isn't it?
    • Naruto Shippuden episode 311 is the prologue to Road to Ninja, and it has an onsen scene guilty of the same thing as the movie. There's a funny scene involving Hinata's floating breasts and Sakura getting jealous, but we don't see anything.
    • The Chikara filler arc in Naruto Shippuden follows the same pattern of bath scenes showing naked guy's asses, but not a naked girl's.
  • "Kill la Kill" knows it's guilty of this. Aikuro Mikisugi can flaunt his lazer nipples all he wants, but the women all lack nipples for some reason. In the final episode, everyone is naked, and there isn't a nipple to be seen on anyone who doesn't have a penis.

Live-Action TV

Real Life
  • Men can walk around bare-chested, nipples out for the world to see, without risk of getting fined with indecent exposure. Women cannot, by and large. The topfreedom movement seeks to redress this balance.
  • Inverted in a lot of countries. In Spain, the public TV sometimes shows women without any undergarments. The beaches are full of women without top undergarments. But showing male reproductive organ in full display is objectionable.

Community Feedback Replies: 102
  • June 13, 2011
    halfmillennium
    Not sure this is a trope. Nudity isn't necessarily fanservice.
  • June 13, 2011
    peccantis
    It's not like they're censoring because it's fanservice...
  • June 13, 2011
    Octagon8
    The trope page 'Hard Gay' is about some japanese entertainer. You probably mean Manly Gay.
  • June 13, 2011
    nnokwoodeye
    Oh I get it. It's a double standard trope about how Media Watchdog seem to think that since nobody would find male attractive (because Women Are Prudes and all men are straight) then male nudity is o.k. because it won't "corrupt" anyone"

    a good example would be how NYPD Blue got fined by the FCC for showing Charlotte Ross ass despite the fact that they had previously shown Dennis Franz ass with no repercussion

    Explained in detail here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZJ1v03cqoc

  • June 13, 2011
    TheChainMan
    @halfmillenium: Yeah, maybe I got carried on the "nudity" part. Perhaps I should tone that down?

    @peccantis: In Japan you have to censor genitals, but everything else is free game.

    @Otagon8: Thanks, I thought it was named Hard Gay because of Razor Ramon and didn't double check. I'll change it now.

    @nnokwoodeye: Yeah, that's right! I'll add that example right now and use your comment as the new laconic, thank you! (I can't change the laconic, so if this ends launched I'll fix it up then)
  • June 13, 2011
    MarqFJA
    ^ I thought you can change the laconic anytime you want to edit the draft.
  • June 13, 2011
    TheChainMan
    ^I tried to, but it doesn't seem to save the changes. Weird...
  • June 13, 2011
    jaytee
    I don't think this really has anything to do with fanservice...
  • June 13, 2011
    nabber
    Vampires Suck. Edward's butt was show for a decent amount of time...
  • June 13, 2011
    SalFishFin
    Note the similarity to Nipple And Dimed.
  • June 13, 2011
    Fanra
    a good example would be how NYPD Blue got fined by the FCC for showing Charlotte Ross ass despite the fact that they had previously shown Dennis Franz ass with no repercussion

    I think the reason for this might be more likely to be the change of political winds over the years then anything else. Censorship, by its very nature, is arbitrary and capricious. The FCC changes their rulings and opinions daily, based on the political winds blowing. After the "Janet Jackson Super Bowl incident" the FCC began to become more hardline and fine people for stuff that had been ok before.

    Currently, I think the penis is the most "offensive" thing you can show, according to the censors. Full frontal female nudity is less likely to cause problems then showing a penis.

    In other words, don't expect logic from censorship. It is illogical and ridiculous.
  • June 13, 2011
    randomsurfer
    Yeah, I disagree with that video re NYPD Blue. Dennis Franz's butt was shown once, several years previously. In the same scene Sharon Lawrence showed her butt too, and there was no governmental outcry. Ditto several other scenes on Blue. But winds change (as Fanra said), not the least of which was a different person in the White House.

    The Simpsons: Bart and Homer, and a few other males have shown their butts several times (and Bart's penis in The Simpsons Movie) but no equivalent female nudity has been shown.
  • June 13, 2011
    TheChainMan
    @jaytee: Well, the "Trope Namer" (so to say) were the Fan Service-based animes that censored the girls but left the guys alone, despite being aimed at straight males, which is kind of Completely Missing The Point of fanservice in the first place. And thus I came with the trope idea.

    I do, however, agree it needs a better name. Male Nudity Is Not Objectionable? Nudity Double Standard?

    @Fanra&randomsurfer: So, do I leave the NYPD Blue example or take it off? Expand on it to remark times have changed?
  • June 13, 2011
    nshady
    Name? Don't Mind The Guy?
  • June 14, 2011
    SmashingMelons42
    From what I've seen, it seems like male nudity is often used because Naked People Are Funny, but female nudity is (somehow) inherently sexual, and thus too offensive to show in many cases. At least, that's my best guess.
  • June 14, 2011
    batgirl1
    Ancient Greece ran on this trope. Statues of men tended to be nude, with each muscle lovingly chiseled. For statues of women, on the other hand, it was "Oh, gods! Put a dress on that thing!" Then again, much is said about Ancient Greece...
  • June 16, 2011
    Kaoy
    ^That's not really true. Aphrodite was nearly always depicted as nude and it went in and out of style for women in togas to wear two straps, which would make it a dress, as opposed to one, which would make it three-quarters a dress.
  • June 16, 2011
    peccantis
    Was she? I thought they liked to dress the statues up nicely, as well as paint them. At least that's what our art teacher said.
  • June 16, 2011
    Ardiente
    ARGH. Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. Onsen episode. That is all.

    Entirely averted in Berserk and in A Song Of Ice And Fire. Apparently stories set in Crapsack World Medieval Stasis make a point of showing all nudity equally. Another point they have in common are the bizarre, squicky sex scenes.
  • June 16, 2011
    peccantis
    ^please elaborate the TTGL example to avoid X Just X.
  • June 16, 2011
    TheChainMan
    I know what he means, so I'll add it with a proper explanation. Thanks!
  • June 16, 2011
    batgirl1
    @Kaoy: Eh, I'd call Aphrodite the exception, rather than the rule. There was definitely a Double Standard, especially in the early days.
  • June 16, 2011
    Generality
    The Greek thing is just untrue. There are tons of Greek statues featuring nude or seminude women. As far as I know, the ancient Greeks didn't have a nudity taboo for either gender.

    In the modern day, however, I'd say this boils down to a perspective on fanservice: Female nudity is seen as alluring, whereas male nudity is not. In the West (I'm generalising here), any amount of nudity will ratchet up the rating on a product very quickly; so, since there's no point limiting the potential audience for the sake of something not thought to appeal to them, most nudity seen in films and the like will be female. In the East, however, male nudity, especially that of children, is seen as harmless and funny, so it crops up more often than the more risque female equivalent.

    Little boys' genitalia in particular seem to be regarded as utterly nonsexual. Goku's can be seen several times throughout the course of Dragonball (He's 12 at the time, but drawn in a very childlike way). Photon gets the same treatment.
  • June 16, 2011
    peccantis
    ^I meant actual clothes, not ones integrated into the statue itself. Much like deity statues in India are dressed with real cloth and flowers.
  • June 17, 2011
    randomsurfer
    In the original version of Superman The Movie baby (or 3-years-old) Kal-El was shown full-frontal with little to no hue and/or cry. It was even shown uncensored on TV a time or two. Current TV cuts have a big censor fuzz over his privates though.
  • June 17, 2011
    ginsengaddict
    Real Life: Men can walk around bare-chested, nipples out for the world to see, without risk of getting fined with indecent exposure. Women cannot.
  • June 17, 2011
    TheChainMan
    Well, given the replies I've taken off the Ancient Greece example and added the examples, plus Generality's explanation. Thanks!
  • June 17, 2011
    Teeth
    This kind of contradicts Right Through His Pants in a way. Perhaps it's to do with female nudity being used for Fanservice and male nudity instead used for comedy, but rarely (Sadly) the other way around?
  • June 17, 2011
    Epif
    Averted in True Blood, where we're shown both boobs and boners in orgy scenes brought about by Marianne in Season 2.

    Or maybe it's zigzagged, since I don't remember seeing much male nudity outside of Season 2 (though there is definitely female nudity in Seasons 1-3).
  • June 19, 2011
    TheChainMan
    So, any more examples?
  • June 20, 2011
    shojokakumeigosalyn
    >>>Manneken Pis, a fountain shaped like a little boy peeing. There are many fountains inspired on it, but all are boys, not girls.

    The girl version exists, actually. The Other Wiki says her name is Jeanneke Pis.
  • December 5, 2011
    LeeM
    ^ Surely the point about male peeing statues is that male pee is, um, steerable...
  • December 5, 2011
    Likely
    Might want to add a bit more explicit comment about not including "averted" examples from Western works, where Right Through His Pants is the dominant trope.
  • December 6, 2011
    LordGro
    There is some truth to the Ancient Greek thing as described by batgirl1. The Other Wiki says on its Greek art article:
    In the Archaic Period the most important sculptural form was the kouros (...), the standing male nude (...). The kore (...), or standing clothed female figure, was also common, but since Greek society did not permit the public display of female nudity until the 4th century BC, the kore is considered to be of less importance in the development of sculpture.
    And also:
    Praxiteles made the female nude respectable for the first time in the Late Classical period (mid 4th century): his Aphrodite of Knidos, which survives in copies, was said by Pliny to be the greatest statue in the world.
    So Greek art started out with this trope in effect, but the outlook changed in the late Classical period.
  • May 26, 2012
    AgProv
    Don't ignore the fact that a lot of gratuitous female nudity happened on TV and film screens in the 1960's and 1970's where most directors and producers were male. What else do you expect? But from the 1990's onward more and more directors, programme commissioning execs, et c, were female. As The Chippendales proved, women are not more high-minded than men with regard to wanting to see attractive examples of the opposite sex naked. So with women calling the shots and producing the programmes, of course you will get minimal female nudity but lots of sausage for the girls...

    Besides, I watched the first night of British "Big Brother" only to realise (as several hidden cameras lingered on an athletic black guy naked in the showers for nearly ten minutes, covering him lovingly from several angles) that this was evidently aimed at women and the other affluent demographic, gay men. Nothing there for we heteros, despite several cute girls being present. So it's not just for women - gay men appreciate gratuitous male nudity, too! (Hmm. Aren't there a disproportonate number of gays in TV?)
  • May 26, 2012
    TheHandle
    Given the current content policies, I'm not sure this page won't be instantly locked upon completion. Seems like a creepy descriptions magnet. You know, getting into too much detail, unfortunate implications...
  • May 26, 2012
    Folamh3
    The topfree movement is all about this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topfree
  • May 27, 2012
    Wii
    I think this needs to be made into a general trope about nudity double standards… maybe something like "Bare Body Bias". The description would read something like this:

    Nudity! Because Naked People Are Funny and Sex Sells, there is no shortage of nudity in modern media. You can turn on the TV and catch a glimpse of Naked People Trapped Outside, or see some poor schmuck walk right into a surprise party wearing nothing at all. The boys can stop by a Bikini Bar, while the girls drive by Hot Men At Work while on their way to Mr. & Mrs. Fanservice's house, and come the Beach Episode, everyone's wardrobe will suddenly consist solely of Barely There Swimwear. So, as an enterprising young TV executive, you decide to spice up your new prime-time television show with some Fanservice by giving one of your attractive young stars a Shirtless Scene. Surely this will please your viewers, and when the ratings go up ...Wait. You gave a Shirtless Scene to a woman? You are so six-hundred-thousand dollars worth of sued.

    Yes, society still has its norms, and civilization's self-appointed Moral Guardians stand ever at the ready to enforce them. Arbitrary as they may be, the specific patches of skin and body parts that can and cannot be seen are Serious Business, and failing to adhere to these restrictions lands you in hot water almost instantaneously. Though standards are different the world over (see Our Nudity Is Different), Western civilization has mostly settled on these rules:
    • With one significant exception, standards for women are much, much tighter than they are for men. Most of the female breast can be safely bared without much more than some raised eyebrows if you're reasonably far from children's entertainment, but the nipple and areola? Even the hinting to its presence can be considered obscene, and as far as the public conscience is concerned, any actual exposure means that the work is pornographic. This is in stark contrast to men, who are completely exempt from this this rule; a man can be topless for any amount of time at all, as long as he wants, and he won't turn any heads for it (or maybe he will...). Likewise, a person's behind simply cannot be uncovered; at the very least, a Thong Of Shielding must be provided... if they are a woman. Men? Nobody cares; after all, All Women Are Prudes, so there's nothing sexual about a man's ass, right? Also, the vulva must never be shown, ever; at that point your work officially becomes porn. There is only one thing in all of human anatomy that is less acceptable than the female genitalia...
    • ...the male genitalia. Male Frontal Nudity is the zenith of human indecency in the eyes of Western culture, and more extreme than even the female counterpart, so there's kind of a twisted bit of balance; while women have more "unacceptable" areas, the unacceptable area of a man is the most strongly reviled. Again, there's a touch of All Women Are Prudes, flavored with a helpful dose of heterosexism; nobody finds men attractive, so there's absolutely no one who'd enjoy the display. Any visual indication that a man even has anything "down there" is considered quite distasteful; a bulge can be considered obscene, and certainly will be if it gets any detail whatsoever. Oh, and any glimpse of the genitals themselves, no matter how insignificant, is grounds for the highest content rating.

    Super Trope to Nipple And Dimed and Male Frontal Nudity. See also Our Nudity Is Different. Has a causal relationship with Fully Clothed Nudity, Thong Of Shielding, Barely There Swimwear, Wardrobe Malfunction and so on. Related to most of the Partial Nudity Tropes and factors in to many of the Nudity Tropes.

    For examples (if any), series/works or scenes with notable contrasts could be mentioned. For example, in Greys Anatomy, there is a scene implied to immediately follow a Shower Of Love between Addison and Mark. Addison is wearing a bathrobe covering most of her body; Mark steps out of the bathroom in nothing but a very carefully-placed towel.

    Well, there's that. 'Tis my suggestion, anyways.
  • May 30, 2012
    Noah1
  • May 30, 2012
    NightNymph
    I'm pretty sure we see a lot more naked guy rears than female ones in Rescue Me. Butt then again I could have a remembering bias, so feel free to correct me.
  • May 30, 2012
    NimmerStill
    The Simpsons occasionally averts it; Marge's butt has been seen a couple of times. But no where near as much as Bart's and Homer's. The ending of "The 138th Episode Spectacular" in season 7 gives a "nice" summary.

    Similar in Futurama, with Leela and Amy's butts seen occasionally; Fry's, Hermes's, and the Professor's seen much more.
  • July 8, 2012
    AgProv
    The two absolute, non-negotiable, no-no's even on liberal British TV are the erect male penis and the open female labia. Everything else has been seen. A male knob is OK so long as it is slack, and full-frontal females are OK so long as it's pubic hair only (shaven fannies are not seen because of what is then on unconcealed open display).
  • July 8, 2012
    JonnyB
    In a lot of R rated movies and softcore porn in the US, at least until relatively recently, it's been the opposite. It's been perfectly acceptable to show full female nudity, but a man's genitalia were always hidden or obscured.
  • July 8, 2012
    pcw2727
    Should be titled "male nudity is less objectionable".
  • July 8, 2012
    rosebud64
    "This can be sometimes explained as Naked People Are Funny but Naked Men Are Funnier; however, when the men are clearly being used on a sexual way, there's no excuse."

    What if there's an Estrogen Brigade?
  • July 8, 2012
    pcw2727
    @Wii

    I'm working on one. It's under "Sliding Scale of Acceptable Nudity"
  • July 8, 2012
    animeg3282
    Ah I see. I was going to discuss how on Game Of Thrones you see every woman's king's landing strip, but no peen.
  • September 5, 2012
    EdnaWalker
    Subverted in A Goofy Movie; one scene features a side character who is a toddler who wears a blue dress running away from Pete trying to take a picture of her. In the scene, she isn't wearing a diaper and her butt is showing.
  • September 5, 2012
    MrRuano
    Watchmen plays this as straight as possible with Doctor Manhattan. While there are women who might get a rare shot of ass here and there, Jon gets to swing his junk around without much consequence. This was also a major point of contention with the movie.
  • November 6, 2012
    EdnaWalker
    Subverted in one episode of The Amazing World Of Gumball; Gumball and Darwin's teacher, Miss Simian's butt shows and Hilarity Ensues.
  • November 10, 2012
    EdnaWalker
    Bump?
  • January 19, 2013
    EdnaWalker
    Pantsless Males Fully Dressed Females could be a subtrope for animal characters.

    For animal characters, this Double Standard trope is applied to the human-bodied Petting Zoo Person, not so much to the more animal-bodied Funny Animal and Civilized Animal. This trope doesn't apply to the Nearly Normal Animal, Talking Animal, or Partially Civilized Animal just like it doesn't apply to real life animals.
  • January 19, 2013
    Architect
    What about Segregated Censorship for a name?
  • January 19, 2013
    Architect
    Or, to clarify, Gender-Segregated Censorship. But the original one is alliterative, so take your pick.
  • January 19, 2013
    Sackett
    Actually I think Male Nudity was considered worse. At least I remember Dances With Wolves being controversial for the distant shot of a nude Kevin Costner, with comments about how shocking male nudity was.
  • January 19, 2013
    ArcadesSabboth
    Would Nudity Double Standard be a good title?
  • January 20, 2013
    Architect
    ^ I like that one.

    Another clarification of my earlier one could be Segregated Sexual Censorhip - but I think that might be pushing the syllables a little too far.
  • May 5, 2013
    EdnaWalker
  • May 6, 2013
    randomsurfer
    'round these parts the title is usually Double Standard Blank not Blank Double Standard.
  • May 6, 2013
    EdnaWalker
  • May 6, 2013
    DunDun
    Thirding Double Standard Nudity.

    Also, why is the caption blue? I thought it was a pothole.

    Also also, male nudity is typically the one to be censored or just completely absent in film and television. Female nudity tends to, as far as I can tell, be limited to nipples (which is a double standard given how no one cares if there's a penis). Can we separate the examples into "Males being Censored" and "Females being Censored"?
  • May 7, 2013
    Melkior
    Edited the laconic and description for spelling and grammar.

    The Simpson's Movie example might need to mention that versions made for overseas viewing actually don't always show Bart's penis, probably due to the distributors' perception of local standards.
  • May 7, 2013
    Desertopa
    I think this could use a better page illustration, considering that, as another troper has already pointed out, there is a female version of the Manneken Pis, meaning that the Real Life example referencing it is also incorrect.

    I think this is a legit trope, and I'll throw my hat in if it gets a more accurate illustration.
  • May 7, 2013
    DunDun
    Wait, if Right Through His Pants is "there is far more female nudity than male nudity," then why is this trope acting like male nudity is okay while female nudity is not? Right Through Her Shirt much? I mean, this is basically an inverse of Right Through His Pants.
  • May 7, 2013
    AmyGdala
    Because there isn't a single standard by which male nudity is acceptable but female nudity isn't. There's one standard - Right Through His Pants - which features clothed men and nude women. There's another standard whereby Naked People Are Funny, which often translates as a Gag Penis (there is no equivalent Gag Vulva, though there are Gag Boobs). There is a standard by which men can appear topless but women can't; this is a cultural standard that goes far beyond media. There is a standard by which breasts are acceptable so long as we see no nipple, and there's a related standard whereby buttocks are acceptable so long as we see no full crack.

    Double Standard Nudity would be a far better index than a trope.
  • May 7, 2013
    DunDun
    An index of nudity double standards sounds great. I don't really care either way, though. If this stays a trope, I would rather see the examples organized into "Males being Nude" and "Females being Nude". If it's turned into an index, I would rather see the tropes be organized into "Male-centric", "Female-centric", and "Either/Or".
  • May 7, 2013
    SquirrelGuy
    A Truth-in-Television example, sort of. In many American high schools from after WWII until sometime in the '60s or even the '70s, boys' swimming classes were held nude. The girls' classes... were not. Ostensibly this was to keep swim trunks' fibers from clogging up the pool filters, though the (larger surface area) swimsuits issued to the girls -- typically unflattering tank suits or "bloomers" with skirts -- were somehow immune to loose fibers. Another explanation given is that men were expected to join the armed forces someday, and would have to deal with the likes of group showers in a barracks anyway.
  • May 7, 2013
    Westrim
    Many of the examples have a serious problem with objectivity. They seem to have a bitter tone rather than a neutral or humorous one.
  • May 8, 2013
    DunDun
    ^Agreed. I feel like any examples for this trope should explain how it was a double standard. Like the Dragonball example; were there any 12-year-old girls? I know there were, but the example is written in such a way that there's no mention of how the example is actually a double standard.
  • May 8, 2013
    m8e
    Just throwing this out here but Male Nudity Is Not Sexualized might fit as a name, because... well sometimes this trope is used because the male body is seen as something ugly (or even revolting) instead of something sexy.

    But that might be another trope?
  • May 8, 2013
    Omeganian
  • May 14, 2013
    Omeganian
    Concerning the image at the top; there is a female version of Manneken Pis... it's extremely controversial (to the extent of being protected by iron bars) for some reason.
  • May 15, 2013
    DunDun
    ^The caption should be changed to say something about the controversy and the need for the female statue to be protected. "The female version of this needs iron bars to protect it." This is about the double standard; the lack of a female statue just means there hasn't been one yet, but the vandalism of a female statue when the male ones don't is a double standard.
  • July 23, 2013
    SquirrelGuy
    Historical note (unverified): It used to be that men had to keep their tops covered at the beach or pool, same as women. This is why all those old-timey swimsuits covered the torso on men, usually a matching tank top, or those outfits with the horizontal stripes that are pretty much only played for laughs nowadays. Supposedly, one summer in the 1930's, the weather in New York was brutally hot. This being before the advent of air conditioning, enough men started taking off their shirts that "they can't arrest everyone", and it stuck.
  • July 24, 2013
    RoseBride
    Until recently this kind of censorship was also true for any kind of anime broadcasted in Latin America, Dragon Ball, Ranma 1/2, Saint Seiya, DBZ, female nudity was unacceptable but every instance of male partial of full nudity was always shown.
  • July 24, 2013
    paycheckgurl
    The documentary This Film Is Not Yet Rated talks a bit about this phenomenon. Because of the way films are rated in the US, film makers are not allowed to use a similar scene getting a lower rating as a defense for why their film should have a have the same lower rating. This leads to things like an orgasm scene from a women's perspective getting an NC-17 (the most restrictive rating and a marketing/distribution death sentence) but a similar scene with a male getting an R. The film talks about how a naked hetrosexual male masturbating in American Beauty got an R but a gay female masturbating through her clothes in But Im A Cheerleader got the dreaded NC-17 for it's initial cut because of double standard.
  • July 24, 2013
    CluLegacy
    I vote for naming it Double Standard Male Nudity
  • July 24, 2013
    jayoungr
    Might be worth tossing in a reference to the Male Gaze, which is one of the factors leading to this phenomenon. (Though I agree that this trope stops at penises.)
  • December 13, 2013
    EdnaWalker
  • December 13, 2013
    ShanghaiSlave
    seconding Clu Legacy.

    Double Standard Index ho! EDIT, i forgot the actual camelcase, but we have it.
  • December 13, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    As has been stated numerous times already, a female version of the Manneken Pis does exist. Please do something about that real life example.
  • December 13, 2013
    DAN004
    Um... doesn't Male Frontal Nudity already cover this?
  • December 14, 2013
    VoixOff
    Is that a trope to complain ? It seems that the whole point is to rant: "not enough female nudity for my taste ! "

    And yet when you go to collect data, females character are more likely to get gratuitous nude scenes than males... Your One Piece exemple seems biaised: Nami gets nude in Thriller Bark (and almost raped) and a lot of skin is showed. Boa Hancok gets a bath scene, i think. You tend to see some boobs and (no nipple, but i think males don't have some either ).

    I think people may tend to treat male nudity as funny in comics and anim because Most Author Are Males, no ? They tend to draw attractive female with somewhat exceptional body type and more average-looking male, or at least the sexy isn't a factor. You can tell women and gay comic artists by the way they draw men, sometimes

    Same for Game of Thrones: you seem to think that's equal opportunity nudity, but people tend to disagree, and the consensus seems to be there is too much cheesecake and barely some beefcake. And there is certainly a double standart since there is a lot of female full frontal nudity (plus, young, waxed, and all together very modern) and for male full frontal nudity, there was only "hondor" (which is arguably fandisservice) And maybe Theon, but then again, given the scene, it's more disservice than service, and served with another side of nude girls.

    (It's a bit less easy to determined in the books, but still, female's bodies may tend to be more described. It's particularly noticeable in Dany's chapters because it's weird for someone to described her own breasts in her internal monologues.)

    http://www.vulture.com/2013/03/plea-for-more-male-nudity-on-game-of-thrones.html http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6905751/hbo-should-show-dongs?referer=http://www.themarysue.com/hbo-should-show-dongs-collegehumor/

    Same for Berserk: the infamous rape scene is extremely detailed and goes on for several pages, leaving nothing to the imagination. Compare with the treatment of Gut's: a single frame, maybe too and you don't get close ups on various details as for Casca's. . That's not really "equality" Many attractive females characters get sexualized nude scenes only for the purpose of shock value. I didn't checked up on this manga for some time and i was told the author grew less interested drawing this proto-hentai stuff, but still: that's hardly equality. Maybe scenes of monstrous orgy are equal in their representations but that's debatable, as he may showcase more female bodies / skin than males.

    I also feel like the way the standart heterosexual sex scene is framed seems to showcase the female body more: even in movie marketed as feminist, such as "The girl with the dragon tatoo", we got several eyefull of Rooney Mara 's butt (and boobs) but Daniel's Graig's remains to be seen. (He is supposed to be naked in the strangulation scene but, hey, not in the movie)

  • December 14, 2013
    EdnaWalker
  • May 16, 2014
    EdnaWalker
    Bump?
  • May 16, 2014
    Snicka
    Double Standard Nudity is the best name suggestion by far.
  • May 16, 2014
    Westrim
    This has existed for 3 years, let's get it launched one way or another by the end of the month. Changing the name.
  • May 16, 2014
    Snicka
  • May 16, 2014
    DAN004
    Hey, we have Male Frontal Nudity already.
  • May 17, 2014
    Westrim
    And that trope is entirely about the notability of the penis appearing in media, judging from reading it. That's not only not the same as this as I understand it, it's nearly the opposite. Please, instead of shouting the trope name in bold, explain why you think they are the same.
  • May 17, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ Male Frontal Nudity is about saying that male nudity is okay while female nudity isn't. Exactly like this ykttw's laconic.
  • May 17, 2014
    Westrim
    The first two sentences are "We all know that the Moral Guardians of America loathe and fear the female nipple, or yet more fearsome, vulva. But there is one thing that is even more vile, disgusting and taboo in their eyes: the penis." It is entirely about the notability of the penis appearing in media. By implication, that means the rest of the male body is okay, but it doesn't actually say or address that at all.
  • May 17, 2014
    gallium
    ^^"Male Frontal Nudity is about saying that male nudity is okay while female nudity isn't"

    That's not true. The trope Male Frontal Nudity states explicitly that the penis is the most forbidden thing in media. Nowhere in the trope discussion does it say that male nudity is more OK than female nudity in any respect.

    As far as this trope goes—I can't see a trope. Showing butts is OK more or less for both sexes. Nipples are OK for men but not for women. Genitalia is naughty for women but naughtier still for men.
  • May 17, 2014
    zarpaulus
    • Inverted in episode 4 of Farscape, a mercenary prisoner tries flashing Zhaan to shock her, all we see is his scarred chest. Zhaan's response is to say "I guess your culture has a nudity taboo" and drop her robe, the camera goes behind her and clearly shows her buttcrack.
  • May 17, 2014
    DAN004
    Since the description mentions the West, I guess a perspective from the East (Japanese in particular) should be mentioned too. Namely, it is okay with them to portray naked young boys in an innocent or humorous way.
  • May 17, 2014
    acrobox
    ^ Same applies in the west. A Dexters Lab example comes to mind

    • Dexters Lab: In the episode Dexter's Rival, part of his morning routine sequence has him happily dancing in the shower and we see him naked form behind. In Dee Dee's equivalent scene in the episode Dee Dee's Rival the curtains are closed and you only see her silhouette in the shower.
  • May 18, 2014
    DAN004
    What I figured: This ykttw is why Male Frontal Nudity is glaring whenever it happens.
  • June 29, 2014
    EdnaWalker
    Bump?
  • June 30, 2014
    Statzkeen
    "As far as this trope goes—I can't see a trope. Showing butts is OK more or less for both sexes. Nipples are OK for men but not for women. Genitalia is naughty for women but naughtier still for men. "

    If anything, that means that the double standard can work both ways and this trope shouldn't be for only one-way situations (especially when the name doesn't indicate that).
  • July 21, 2014
    Likely
    Using Double Standard Nudity for the above gives the impression that this particular double standard (more male than female nudity) is the default, when it is very often the reverse. Double Standard Nudity should be a parent trope for Male Frontal Nudity, Right Through His Pants, and this proposal, reworked to be clear it is about those situations when male nudity is more acceptable than female.
  • July 21, 2014
    bejjinks
    This is far from ready to be published, Westrim. I find the opposite of this double standard hundreds of times more often than I find this double standard. I've even complained to Bing because using Bing search engines, I nearly always find pictures of naked women. I could be doing a search for cute kittens and I'll get naked women.

    All this double standard depends entirely on the culture you grew up in and the attitudes of the people who make the media. I have a nudist friendly attitude that doesn't see nudity as sexual. I've seen enough nudity of both male and female kinds that I neither lust after it nor freak out over it anymore.

    This trope sounds like it was written by a horny teenage boy who just wants to complain because he hasn't seen enough female nudity yet. It's heavily biased and does not represent what is typical in the media, which is that female nudity is still many times more common than male nudity. The only exception to this is as Wu mentioned, women have a much larger "unacceptable area" than men. But if that is the trope, the title and description need to be changed to reflect that.

    Perhaps the title should be Bloomers And Boxers or Double Standard Modesty so that it isn't about which one is naked but about how much of the naked body is censored. That is, women are depicted naked more often than men are but when they are depicted, it is usually as a silhouette or behind a screen. While the very rare times the male is naked, nearly 99% of his body is shown.
  • December 6, 2015
    Darkton
    I think people are misunderstanding what this means. It's not about a standard within all forms of media. It is usually for a specific work in mind. There's definitely something noticeable when Homer has shown his butt a lot more times than Marge's, and all the examples where hers is shown that I can think of come from a single episode. There's definitely something up when the Mayor of Townsville can show off his ass to all, but when the time comes for the girls, they're hiding theirs with hands that should be used for the front.

    The fact is, often times the male butt is used as the subject of a joke, for humor because it is considered "ugly." While the female butt, when it appears in media, is used to sexualize the character and almost never for comedy. This is what make people see pedophilia in Inside Out with Riley showing her behind, yet when Son Goku goes full frontal, no one bats an eye.

    So it may need a title change to something like Naked Men Are Funny Naked Women Are Sexy.

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