Created By: MarqFJA on July 8, 2011 Last Edited By: Penzy on April 5, 2012
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Shana Expy

Short, flat-chested, bossy and violence-prone.

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Formerly Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere

Urusai! Urusai! Urusai!!!

A trend of the recent years, is a female character type, most commonly appearing in Light Novel series, and their anime adaptations.

In terms of personality, she has a Tsundere behavior, heavily leaning on the "Type A" side, and even more specifically, it's "Violent Approach". But unlike some others whose attitude only stems from their hot temper combined with awkward social skills with boys, hers seems to be an inherently dominant, bossy personality, almost to the point of evoking the position of a BDSM dominatrix.

This is often showed directly in how she adresses the Love Interest: Treating him as her property, refusing to acknowledge his free human status, even using belittling names like "dog", "slave", or "toy", instead.

In terms of plot relevance, she is usually the female lead of the work, in a POV Boy Poster Girl relationship with the male lead, and with a Supporting Harem of other girls as rivals.

Physically, she is portrayed with an immature, short body stucture, with no boobs to speak of, that is destined to result in a suppressed A-Cup Angst. The short body is further emphasized by her relatively long, at least waist length Rapunzel Hair, usually unkempt, or tied into Mega Twintails. They also tend to wear a Zettai Ryouiki (In fact, the "Grade S" classification of Zettai Ryouiki is based on a similar concept, though that requires only any twintails, and any kind of Tsundere behavior)

This character type was popularized by Shana of Shakugan no Shana, voiced by Rie Kugimiya, who went on to voice a series of similar characters, further emphasizing the similarities. These series of characters even had direct shout outs to the original, effectively using them as Expies of Shana, but then came some other, more indirectly related characters following the formula, and as the Fountain of Expies page description notes, this can result in the formation of a whole new archetype.

Well, that's what happened here.

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  • Vocaloid Rin Kagamine is generally pictured as this, usually toward her brother.

Community Feedback Replies: 110
  • July 8, 2011
    MarqFJA
    Was cut due to Eddie's current "English-only trope names" policy. If you wish to debate that, go here.
  • July 8, 2011
    Auxdarastrix
    WTF

    I'm just waiting for Ninja to get sent back to YKTTW.
  • July 8, 2011
    Auxdarastrix
    Anyway, I'm split. On one hand, I think this might possibly be done as a subsection of Fountain Of Expies. On the other hand, a heck of a lot of work was put into creating this trope, and the page image alone is pretty cool.
  • July 8, 2011
    Discar
    It's ridiculous to swap a good trope name for an obscure character-named title. Doesn't everyone agree that those need to go the way of the dodo? There are exceptions due to the grandfather clause, but this isn't one of them.

    Of course, I'm not blaming Marq for that.
  • July 8, 2011
    MarqFJA
    Thanks, guys. I appreciate that. For what's it worth, Eddie also stated another reason in the above linked thread: (paraphrasing) "One should not have to read another trope's article in order to understand another", i.e. no putting an existent trope name that is not immediately understandable by most readers (i.e. English speakers). Which I disagree with, personally; but this is not the time nor the place.
  • July 8, 2011
    SunnyV
    "Pettanko" should be formatted as pettanko.
  • July 8, 2011
    MarqFJA
    Tell the YKTTW system to accept edits to the laconic definition first! X< It's been refusing to accept any ever since I created the YKTTW.
  • July 10, 2011
    Discar
    Bump. I realize this problem is being discussed elsewhere, but Eddie isn't being very forthcoming.
  • July 13, 2011
    MarqFJA
    Rei Ayanami Expy was launched, and have yet to face any problems. Should we just keep this as Shana Expy and launch?
  • July 13, 2011
    Auxdarastrix
    Might as well.
  • July 13, 2011
    Discar
    Add Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere as a redirect. It's insane to do otherwise.
  • July 13, 2011
    MarqFJA
    Both it and Pale Haired Strange Kuudere are locked due to being cut. If we are to add them as redirects, we will first have to convince Fast Eddie.
  • July 13, 2011
    dangerwaffle
    "Shana Expy" is WAY more obscure and confusing than anything involving the word Tsundere. I mean I'm an anime fan and I've still never heard of this Shana person. If we can't mention Tsundere in the title, we've got to come up with something else that's better.

    (Incidentally, she's not an anime character and was created in the 1970's, but Lessa from the Dragonriders Of Pern books seems to pretty much fit the description given.)
  • July 15, 2011
    MarqFJA
    I'm open to suggestions.
  • July 15, 2011
    Discar
    Well, Eddie has proposed a compromise, where Japanese terms can be used for Japanese examples. I think that would work fine here, and a redirect can be whatever the English alternative for Tsundere will be (maybe Tiny Tyrannical Harsh/Sweet).

    Anyway, we can wrap this up relatively soon, no matter which side that discussion ends up.
  • July 18, 2011
    neoYTPism
    So long as we have Tsundere, this may as well be named Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere.
  • July 18, 2011
    Sackett
    Aren't the examples exclusively Anime?

    This trope developed in anime, is only seen in anime (Lessa is not this character, she's a Defrosting Ice Queen plus Little Princess). It's the epxy of a specific anime character that has developed into it's own trope, in anime.

    If it's only in anime then a Japanese name should be fine. Perhaps that should be pointed out to Fast Eddie, since he seemed to feel it was okay to have a Japanese name if it was an anime only trope.
  • July 18, 2011
    Sackett
    Little Princess isn't a trope?

    What do we call it when you have a character who is a petite woman who also has a position of command- usually either royal or noble blood, but occasionally just being really really rich.

    That does overlap with this trope occasionally (see Nagi), but not even close to always.
  • July 19, 2011
    MarqFJA
    That seems tropable. You're free to YKTTW it.

    ^^ Eddie's real problem with Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere and Pale Haired Kuudere is that he considers "having to understand another trope first in order to understand this one" is a big no-no to him, i.e. the title cannot have a trope name that does not at least convey some of its definition to an English speaker at first glance.
  • July 19, 2011
    Sackett
    Doesn't "Tiny Tyrannical Something" give some hint to the English speaker.

    I'm just sitting here stumped about how to come up with a better concise title.

    Pale Hair Kuudere I'm not particularly broken up about as personally I think Blue Haired Emotionless Girl would be the better way to sum it up.

    But this title has it all, alliteration, brevity, and to all fans of anime they will immediately understand it- and it only occurs in anime.

    I'd understand Fast Eddie's objection better if we had non anime examples, but there are none.
  • July 19, 2011
    peccantis
    ^well it's got two defining terms more than "Somecharacter Expy".
  • July 20, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    Tsundere is just a hard concept to sum up in a way that is short and to the point. Though Westerners recognize what a Tsundere is if it's explained to them, we just don't have a word or even short phrase that is a direct approximate to the word itself. I think trying to cobble together one that will be more confusing and awkward than just using the word, even if some people will have to look it up to know what it is.
  • July 21, 2011
    dangerwaffle
    OK, I really think Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere is the best option and there's no reason for objections if it's an anime-only trope.

    But assuming the objections remain, how about we just give up on finding a way to sum up "tsundere" in English and go with Tiny Tyrant Girl?
  • July 21, 2011
    MarqFJA
    Because it's horribly, inaccurately broad, and thus a Trope Decay-magnet.
  • July 21, 2011
    dangerwaffle
    Well, it's not that I don't agree, I just think that's kind of inevitable if we don't use tsundere or at least something that makes it clear this is pretty much an anime-only thing.
  • July 21, 2011
    Sackett
    However, perhaps Eddie would be more willing to let Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere go out if we have a trope to cover the more general supertrope of "Tiny Tyrant Girl" (which does exist).

    That would help ensure that people looking for that trope wouldn't instead be trying to shoehorn their examples into an anime only trope.
  • July 21, 2011
    peccantis
    So sad it isn't a more restricted expy... we could've gotten Tiny Tyrannical Twintails Tsundere :>

  • July 22, 2011
    Prime32
  • July 22, 2011
    FastEddie
    Much better than Shana Expy -- a character name plus a term most people would have to look up is almost a perfectly bad title.
  • July 22, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    ^^^^ This is a good idea, Sackett, you should submit the YKTTW.
  • July 22, 2011
    MarqFJA
    ^^^ Again, inaccurate.

    ^^ Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere is also much better than Shana Expy, because it actually conveys the essence of the character type. The only problem with it now is that you're opposed to having a trope title in the name if it is not more or less always understandable to the average English speaker/reader.
  • July 22, 2011
    dangerwaffle
    ...Is Tiny Torch Girl supposed to be more understandable than Shana Expy? Because the first image it calls to mind is a five year old girl holding a torch, not a short aggressive anime tsundere.
  • July 22, 2011
    Bushranger
  • July 22, 2011
    MarqFJA
    ^^ Which reminds me of another point: The trope is explicitly anime/manga-specific, just like Rei Ayanami Expy. I'd like to know how is it possible for the average anime fan to not understand at least the basic gist of what a tsundere is.
  • July 22, 2011
    Bushranger
    ^ Heck, even before I got into anime at all I had the gist of "tsundere". The word seems to be reaching the point of becoming one English rifled out of Japanese's pockets (to paraphrase the old quote).
  • July 23, 2011
    peccantis
    Couyld we open a TRS discussion just to get a crowner for the name? Otherwise we're going to have a long long YKTTW with counting all votes etc.

    My pick would still be Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere, even though you wouldn't know what Tsundere means the Tiny Tyrannical gives a good clue about the character type. Shana Expy doesn't tell you anything, it's just a pretty obscure character name and "Expy" which also gives zero info as for what the character actually is like.

    The link would nearly always have a character's name or at least gender-specific pronoun nearby so in the end for the Tsunders-nonsavvy it would be "Tiny Tyrannical Girl", that isn't a bad approximation.
  • July 23, 2011
    terrafox
    Just pick a name and launch it already. A trope with a bad name is better than no trope at all.
  • July 23, 2011
    peccantis
    ^would help if you offered your own, in-depth view about which name should be used.
  • July 23, 2011
    MarqFJA
    ^^ Doing as you say risks having the trope being cut summarily; back when it was launched as Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere, it was cut by Fast Eddie within an hour of being cutlisted by someone else within an hour of its launch. Also, take into consideration Eddie's current "clarity has priority" direction regarding trope names.
  • July 23, 2011
    Bushranger
    I honestly fail to see how the current name has the slightest hint of inclarity. (And the whole recent wave of renaming tropes to more generic and sometimes PC names Just Bugs Me, but that's another fish). Flat Fearsome Femme might get the same point across though...
  • July 23, 2011
    peccantis
    ^and the current name as you wrote that was...? If you meant Shana Expy, I fail to see how you fail to notice that most of the world probably never heard of this Shana person.
  • July 23, 2011
    Bushranger
    Ah, sorry. My brain didn't transmit everything to the fingers; by "current name" I meant Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere.
  • July 24, 2011
    terrafox
    "Viscious Half-Pint" (not to be confused by Bratty Half Pint)
  • July 24, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    ^ Half-pint usually refers to actual little kids, these are mostly just teenage lolis. How about Abusive Lolita Love Interest?
  • July 24, 2011
    Sackett
    I think using "Lolita" in another trope title would be awful. Also, they aren't a Lolita (as that term is usually used to refer to a young girl who pursues an older man).
  • July 24, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    Abusive Loli Love Interest then, Loli in anime is a pettanko or young and small-looking character, regardless of age.
  • July 24, 2011
    dangerwaffle
    I have never heard anime fans use "loli" to describe a character over the age of twelve, so that seems misleading at best.
  • July 24, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    It says right on Token Loli, that they merely have to be young in appearance which all these characters are. But whatever, just a suggestion.
  • July 25, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    I say either Vicious Half Pint or (if Fast Eddie reverses his stance for the name and approves of it) Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere.
  • July 25, 2011
    MarqFJA
  • July 25, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
  • July 25, 2011
    FastEddie
    No reversal. Flat Fearsome Femme works.
  • July 25, 2011
    peccantis
    I don't like Flat Fearsome Femme, it has nothing on the inner sweetness or the actual smallness of the character. Of course, Tiny lacks the implocation of flatness.
  • July 25, 2011
    terrafox
    Petite Pettanko Powerhouse?

  • July 25, 2011
    dangerwaffle
    Well, I'm familiar with "loli" being used for characters who are Really 700 Years Old or whatever but have the actual body of a child, which seems to be what the Token Loli article is mostly talking about, but that's different from just being short and flat-chested. Maybe if there was something to indicate more specifically...I don't know.

    Flat Fearsome Femme doesn't indicate that it's an anime term in any way, so I predict it's going to collect an endless series of non-anime examples who are female, smaller than a C-cup and mildly aggressive. Could be the best we can do though.

    Been trying to come up with English equivalents for "tsundere" and the closest I can get is "temperamental," which connotes both "really angry and irritable" and "prone to sudden changes of mood." Tiny Temperamental Love Interest?

    Diminutive Dominatrix?
  • July 25, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    Yeah, those could work. If Fast Eddie passes by again, we might know what he thinks of those suggestions. (He's already considering Flat Fearsome Femme).
  • July 25, 2011
    BishyT
    Although I like Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere, I think dangerwaffle's Diminutive Dominatrix is a good alternative.

    I also have a suggestion: Little Miss Maniac or Miniture Manical Missy.
  • July 25, 2011
    Discar
    I still think Eddie needs to explain himself here. This is an anime trope, about an anime expy of an anime character. It will never be used outside of anime pages, and Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere is perfectly understandable to any anime fan. If we use anything else, there's always the chance it will be misused as something more literal than its supposed to be. Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere is Exactly What It Says On The Tin.
  • July 25, 2011
    MarqFJA
    ^ This, and said anime character is by design an exaggeration of the tsun-dominant variation of the Tsundere character type, i.e. Tsundere is the number one element of this trope, Pettanko being the number two, and short stature being number three.
  • July 25, 2011
    Speedball
    Funny, I Thought It Meant an expy of Shannah from Fans. Who also has a rail-thin build and a short temper.
  • July 25, 2011
    Bushranger
    ^^ ^ Also, I'd like to point out the movement to "clarify" (= dumb down) trope names so "everyone will understand them" falls down on one argument: if somebody doesn't understand what a trope name on a work's page mean, they can click on it and learn. "Oh, that's what that means. Cool." No muss, no fuss, and the trope name actually -means- something instead of being forced to cater to the lowest common IQ denominator.
  • July 25, 2011
    peccantis
    ^as long as the name isn't obscure enough to be immediately forgettable. But that's not the issue with Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere. Tiny and Tyrannical should be plenty enough memory cues to bring back the idea of this trope, no?
  • July 25, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    On the chance we don't get to punch through Tiny Tyrranical Tsundere, I second the use of Tiny Temperamental Love Interest.
  • July 26, 2011
    HiddenFacedMatt
    ^ Why wouldn't we get to punch it through? We already have Tsundere.
  • July 26, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^ Tsundere may fall under the Grandfather Clause as far as this whole "English titles only" policy is concerned.

    ^^ As Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere is relatively new, the Grandfather Clause doesn't cover it. Fast Eddie hath spoken.
  • July 26, 2011
    Bushranger
    Even though the (vast) majority consensus is that it's the preferred title? Sigh...

    I think Tiny Tempermental Love Interest isn't quite ideal. Flat Fearsome Femme works better (IMHO, since I first proposed it ;) ), but either way, Just Launch It Already. If things ever swing the other way for T3 (which should, in the meantime, redirect to it) we can always move it over later.
  • July 26, 2011
    MarqFJA
    ^ Like I've said before, his last-stated reason for keeping that name cut was essentially "no trope name should have another trope's name in it if that would make non-fans forced to read the latter trope's article to understand what the former trope's meaning is."

    Hmmm... How about Tiny Temperamental Spitfire? The name has to maintain the Tsundere duality in some way.
  • July 26, 2011
    Raso
    We going to launch this?

    ^ we have tons of them though... we have 3 specifically for The Libby.
  • July 27, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    We should revolt passive aggressively. We can put it under one of the other titles but everywhere there's a wick or pot hole, do it under the title Tiny Tempermental Tsundere >.<
  • July 27, 2011
    Speedball
  • July 27, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^ Let's go with that name and Go For Launch. (Wow, I never thought my impatience would lead me to be the second to use the Stock Phrase for YKTT Ws gathering dust, albeit using an official alternate name for it.)
  • July 27, 2011
    FallenLegend
    Character named trope... Rename? Or TRS
  • July 27, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    ^Basically the title everyone likes ( Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere ) is now unexceptionable because of Fast Eddies campaign against Japanese-named tropes and tropes names that require knowledge of another tropes. We're just trying to find one at least half as good.
  • July 27, 2011
    MarqFJA
    Tiny Temperamental Spitfire vs Flat Fearsome Femme. Pick what you think best illustrates the trope definition, not what you like best.
  • July 27, 2011
    Raso
    Spitfire = Genki Girl and the other is just plain bad...

    ^^ so then we need to rename Caffeine Bullet Time, Lovable Libby, every damn Mary Sue trope and about 400 other tropes on this site... this one should not be singled out.. being a Tsundere is required for this no exceptions.

    TRS I guess.
  • July 27, 2011
    Jsor
    I just want to point out that if the objection is to a trope name in the title, Shana Expy is just as bad, since Expy itself is a trope. If we say "Expy is okay, but Tsundere isn't" then you're making value judgments about what type of tropes are okay to have in titles, which is going to get hairy. And no, expy isn't self explanatory enough that an average English speaker could guess what it means, at least not any more than they could Tsundere if they're given context.
  • July 27, 2011
    Bushranger
  • July 27, 2011
    Sackett
    Tiny Tyranical Tsundere is the best name because it is the most exact, without referring to the character that kick-started the whole thing (Shana).

    It's a character type that is an Expy of an anime character and so it only occurs in anime.

    This a trope about a specific type of character: She's always a Tsundere, she's always short, petite and flat, smaller then others her own age. She's got a huge chip on her shoulder, and is aggressive and hostile as her surface persona. She's always in the possible love interest age zone.

    The other terms being flung around are too broad and will invite trope decay. Non anime examples will be shoehorned in.

    Because it only occurs in anime, according to Eddie's post in the guidelines thread, a reference to Tsundere shouldn't be disqualified from the title.

    However, I could understand a desire for a trope to be created about the broader Tiny Tyrant Girl supertrope (Tiny girl orders everyone around and expects to be obeyed) that does exist elsewhere. (Shana basically combined Tiny Tyrant Girl with Tsundere and Older Than They Look).

    That's reasonable that there should be a trope like that to make sure non-anime examples don't get shoehorned into a truly narrow trope.

    So I think the best solution would be to create Tiny Tyrant Girl, and then create Tiny Tyranical Tsundere, with a line noting that: "This trope really only appears in anime and anime inspired works, so check out the Tiny Tyrant Girl super trope and see if your non-anime examples fit better there."

    If Tiny Tyranical Tsundere is absolutely off limits, then I have to vote for Shana Clone, because that's already the most common term for it in the fandom, and all the other names suggested so far will lead to trope decay.
  • July 27, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    ^ I agree with this. Someone trope Tiny Tyrant Girl would you?
  • July 28, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
  • July 28, 2011
    MarqFJA
    ^^^ This, and a thousand times this.

    ^ You want it to get cut within one hour of a premature launch? Well, I don't.
  • July 28, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^ If I'm allowed to (am I?), I could "grab" this YKTTW instantly for the sole purpose of retitling it as Tiny Tyrant Girl or whatever suits your fancy best, so please think over which title will be the best choice for it to get out of Development Hell. Personally, right now I'm leaning toward Tiny Tyrant Girl.
  • July 28, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    No no, Tiny Tyrant Girl is a different, closely related trope. It's basically a tiny female (of any age or appearance) who acts brutally dominating. Unlike this trope, it would have none of the physical requirements, except shortness, nor the requirement of being a Tsundere or a love interest or being an Anime character.
  • July 28, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    On second thought, if I'm allowed to, I'll grab this YKTTW and change the title to what Fast Eddie himself thought would be a good title (Flat Fearsome Femme). Of course, there's other titles to choose from, but if Eddie decides a certain title works, so be it. I really can't argue with that.
  • July 28, 2011
    jcdietz03
    (+1) to Sackett. Why can't would be tropers look up another trope to understand the title? Tsundere is a Tropes Of Legend. Most tropers will know what it is. A trope title must be clear. Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere clears that bar. I think the original title is clear, concise AND witty.

    An alternate title for Tsundere (if we can't have Tsundere) is hot-and-cold relationship / hot-and-cold girlfriend. If you change it to that it no longer works (Tiny Tyrannical Hot-and-Cold Girlfriend).

    No problem with changing the name if tropers agree the name should be changed and agree on an alternate name. This is being changed because Fast Eddie says so. Yes, it's a bad name for non-anime fans. However, it is an anime-specific trope.
  • July 28, 2011
    Discar
    ^^ Don't do that. You can't just launch something because its been up too long. Especially under a title no one supports.

    ^ I would say that non-anime fans would understand it too. But it doesn't matter, because its anime only.
  • July 28, 2011
    Sackett
    If it can't be launched as Tiny Tyranical Tsundere, then launch it as Shana Clone since that is a pre-existing fan term for this trope.

    The other pre-existing fan term for it is Rei Kugimiya Tsundere which is worse.
  • July 28, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    ^ Yeah! Let's go with Shana Clone and get it Ready For Launch.
  • July 28, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    If the Tsundere ban gets lifted we can always change it to the preferred name later.
  • July 28, 2011
    Sackett
  • July 29, 2011
    jcdietz03
    Do we need to start our own YKTTW for Shana Clone?

    PROBLEM ALERT: Shana Clone is a redirect to Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere. I suppose it could be edited though.
  • July 29, 2011
    MarqFJA
    Okay, final count for "yes votes" on launching as Shana Clone.... Starting now, and closing after 24 hours.
  • July 29, 2011
    Sackett
    Yes to launch as Shana Clone (there's a reason it was a redirect to Tiny Tyranical Tsundere).
  • July 29, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    Like I said earlier, yes to launching as Shana Clone.
  • July 29, 2011
    Auxdarastrix
    Yes to launch as Shana Clone
  • July 29, 2011
    FastEddie
    No, to Shana Clone. Means absolutely noting. It is a named based title.
  • July 29, 2011
    Auxdarastrix
    I guess we better kill Bruce Lee Clone then. And Elvis Impersonator.
  • July 29, 2011
    FastEddie
    Not remotely in the same class of reknown.
  • July 29, 2011
    Unknown Troper
    No to launching as Shana Clone, Yes to launching as FFF.
  • July 29, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    I guess Flat Fearsome Femme will have to do, then...
  • July 29, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    I just don't like the word "femme", I only ever hear it as an adjective, as in "feminine", so it makes no sense to my ears. If you'd replace it with "female" then I'd be more on board with it. Also, according to Dictionary.com, "Femme" is slang for a lesbian who adopts a feminine role in a relationship. Which is so not what we are going for.

    I think at this point I'd actually go for Palmtop Tiger despite my former aversion to it. Or how about Delicate Dominating Dame?
  • July 29, 2011
    ryanasaurus0077
    Eddie, what do you think of either Flat Fearsome Female or Palmtop Tiger?
  • July 29, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    Even though Palmtop Tiger is an existing nick name for one of the expies, though, we might want to change it to Palmtop Tigress just to show it's about female characters.
  • July 29, 2011
    dangerwaffle
    Out of the options that are currently available (and just to be clear, Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere is obviously, objectively the best option and none of the objections to it make any sense in this context, but putting that aside), I'd go for either Palmtop Tigress or Diminutive Dominatrix.

    Not wild about Flat Fearsome Femme because (1) it's pretty vague (2) "femme" sounds weird (3) it seems really odd to pick out "flat" as the distinguishing physical characteristic when "short" or "long-haired" both seem like more obvious ones.

    Or, you know, we could just throw our hands in the air and go with something like Diminutive Long Haired Flat Chested Anime Girl Who Acts Abusive Toward Her Love Interest But Has A Hidden Sweet Side. I'm almost okay with that at this point. Since we're prioritizing clarity and all.
  • July 29, 2011
    Discar
    Go for Palmtop Tigress. It's completely meaningless outside of context, which is a good thing--no one is going to link this as anything but the actual trope. Also, there's a TRS on the subject, with a crowner.
  • July 29, 2011
    Otaku155
    Why dont we allow the sponsor of the trope to choose the name based on what he or she has heard people use. Lets stop rewriting culture and allow it to flourish naturally. I think we should take a stand against the culture rewriters, the cronies on this site that want to rename tropes because they personally dont like the names
  • July 29, 2011
    Bushranger
    ^ This.
  • July 29, 2011
    tnafan121
    Screw it, I'm launching it.
  • July 30, 2011
    EmbracingShadows
    Does Shinku from Rozen Maiden qualify? I mean, doll or not she's got the physique, and she practically takes over Jun's daily life and puts him through a fair amount of Domestic Abuse, not to mention calling him a servant when technically he's her master. She also has shades of kuudere thrown in for good measure, but beneath all that she truly cares about him (though whether it's romantic or platonic remains ambiguous, ignoring the anime-only kiss on the cheek she gives him).
  • April 5, 2012
    gundamgundam
    Truly, why was this renamed as "Shana clone"? You should have called it "Shana Ripoff", since that's what the article is implying. Seriously, the title seems to be made by some Shana fanboy who has the delusion that ALL tiny tsunderes are a ripoff of Shana, which is utterly ridiculous. And the worse of all is that the article doesn't make any sense anymore, if the new policy banning "Weird" "Foreign sounding" tropes continues, somebody should make another Tvtropes specially for Japanese stuff instead of creating biased, mediocre and deplorable tropes like "Shana clone", for God's sake.
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