Created By: Viv on October 17, 2009
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Non State Superpower

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One vision. One Purpose. Peace through Power.
-- Motto, the Brotherhood of Nod

Sometimes in fiction we see terrorist groups and various anti state groups capable of go toe to toe with regular army of the state. They may have the capacity to field aircraft, tanks, even battleships... almost as if they had billions in tax revenue and massive installed infrastructure themselves. Particulary eregrous are examples where these groups are shown fighting battles against modern Great Powers like USA, Russia, the EU, China, India, ect.

Needless to say this is highly unrealistic. A modern Main Battle Tank costs $100 a pop, a battleship can cost a billion dollors. Al Qaeda contested Iraq with barely 500 fighters, the Viet Cong had APCs and the occasional Light Tank, but they had the might of the USSR supporting them. The Taliban were defeated by a cavalry charge. The only rebel movement to ever have an airforce, the LTTE, could field a proud armada of 5 swedish trainer propeller planes. Although this doesn't mean that such irregular forces can not win, but to do that they need the tactics to match their strengths, namely Guerilla Warfare.

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Community Feedback Replies: 21
  • October 17, 2009
    Viv
    Eh, sorry about the double post.
  • October 18, 2009
    Dhavaer
    I'm pretty sure a tank costs more than $100. Did you mean $100 thousand?
  • October 18, 2009
    Unknown Troper
    isn't that $100 per cannon shell?
  • October 18, 2009
    Arivne
    According to The Other Wiki:
  • October 18, 2009
    Tezcat
    I like this idea. Often overlaps with Nebulous Evil Organisation , but not always (think the armies fielded by SHIELD in the Marvel Universe.)
  • October 18, 2009
    Unknown Troper
    I don't really see how the Traitor Legions are an example of this. They probably started out with all the worlds their legions had conquered, not to mention the others that fell after.
  • October 18, 2009
    random surfer
    HYDRA et al. in Marvel Comics.
  • October 18, 2009
    Frodo Goofball CoTV
    • Not sure if the Rebel Alliance, Trade Federation, or Banking Guild from Star Wars count or not.
    • James Bond Villains: Spectre had helicopter gunships, Hugo Drax had his own personal space program, etc.
  • October 19, 2009
    LatwPIAT
    Eh, Nod started by controlling over 50% of the World's most valuable resource, and they still weren't strong enough to take on actual superpowers. I think they're quite justified, even if they're a Non State Superpower. By Tiberian Sun, they've effectively become an actual state.
  • October 19, 2009
    Iron Salticus
    In Code Geass, it seems like all the resistance groups have Knightmare Frames. Justified in some cases where they were stolen from Britannia, but others seem to be custom models.
  • October 19, 2009
    Nomic
    The Traitor Legions are an example of this because they wield armies powerful enough to take on the Imperial forces in battle despite not having a massive infrastructure. In their case there are justifications, tho. They took with them all the stuff they had before they turned traitors, and regularly get new equpment by looting Imperial equipment or by buying/trading with the Dark Adeptus techpriests. Also the Nature of the warps causes the laws of physics to be rather malleable which might help.
  • October 19, 2009
    Unknown Troper
    Title-wise, you may want to play on the term "NGO" in some way- "NGO" stands for "Non-Government Organization", referring to a group with some national or international influence who exist outside of any government.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGO
  • October 19, 2009
    deuxhero
    NGO Superpower is the most plain title we can get, anything punny by keeping it clear?
  • October 19, 2009
    rjung
    Government-Free State? I'm kinda shying away from "superpower" because it makes me think of flight, X-ray vision, that sorta thing.
  • October 19, 2009
    ViktorCrowford
    I think NGO Superpower is perfect. Government-Free State just doesn't work, that sounds more like a state without government, i.e. anarchy.

    Code Geass example: With the Black Knights it's partly justified, since they only got their hands on Knightmares after they stole a Britannian shipment, and for a long time the only custom model they have is Kallen's Guren. It's harder to explain with Todoh's Knightmares, though he apparently only has five of them (for himself and the "Four Holy Swords"), so in the Geass universe it's comparable with having five tanks - not likely, but possible.
  • October 19, 2009
    jason taylor
    The Rebel Alliance in Star Wars ?
  • October 20, 2009
    Unknown Troper
    Real Life subversion: the United Nations.
  • October 20, 2009
    Iron Salticus
    ...but un-subverted in the Left Behind novels, because the authors rolled a 1 on their Research Check.
  • October 25, 2009
    ShayGuy
    So who wanted to launch this?
  • October 25, 2009
    Giant Space Chinchilla
    so >.> <.< if there are no objections I'll go ahead an launch it tommorow
  • October 25, 2009
    arromdee
    Partly covered by Fiction 500.
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