Created By: dragonslip on August 2, 2012 Last Edited By: dragonslip on August 8, 2012
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If you’d done as much research as I have….

This is a common strategy to appear like you’ve won an argument when you haven’t

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There are many tricks people use to appear like they’ve won an argument without having to actually logically demonstrate why their position is correct, argumentum ad populum, accusing the other side of trolling. One particularly egregious example is to state something to the effect of “well if you’d researched the subject as much as I have you’d see why my position is correct” which often results in the other side backing down as it puts them in the possession of either having to redo all their research on your vague say so, or looking like lazy anti-intellectuals for refusing to do so
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  • August 2, 2012
    tryourbreast
  • August 2, 2012
    dragonslip
    are you saying they are are the same thing or that this should be a sub trope?
  • August 2, 2012
    KJMackley
    You need fictional examples to clarify what the trope is about. Otherwise it is just a "Hey, doesn't this annoy you!" kind of thing. Lies Damned Lies And Statistics may be something close to what you are proposing.
  • August 3, 2012
    MorganWick
    Right now this is just a Stock Phrase.
  • August 3, 2012
    dragonslip
    is that bad?
  • August 3, 2012
    Arivne

  • August 3, 2012
    MorganWick
    ^^Well, Fast Eddie says he'll cut any new stock phrases on sight, so...
  • August 3, 2012
    dragonslip
    "Fast Eddie" who?
  • August 3, 2012
    randomsurfer
  • August 3, 2012
    TheHandle
    Yeah, the trope is definitely interesting. You just need to find examples. This would be a subtrope of Appeal To Authority, specifically to one's own authority, by proclaiming oneself an expert, and by contrast, proclaiming the other not to be. The Nietzsche Wannabe will often use a variation of this along the lines of "if you knew as much about humanity as I do" or "if only you were able to get out of the old-fashioned morals that were indoctrinated into you".
  • August 5, 2012
    Arivne
    Be sure to add this to the Logical Fallacies index when it's launched.
  • August 7, 2012
    randomsurfer
    Many of Conservapedia's admins use this on a regular basis to stifle dissent, but most especially owner Andy Schlafly. Quite amusing when he says things like "I doubt you've taken half the statistics courses I have" to a professional, degree-holding statistician with 34 years experience in the field.
  • August 7, 2012
    NoirGrimoir
    I don't think I've ever even seen something like this come up in fiction. Does this even count as a trope? And if this is just "When someone says, 'I researched the topic so take my word for it without further explanation', then we'd probably be listing every explanation in fiction ever." I don't really know if there is a point to this. I think you should just add an addendum onto Logical Fallacies and be done with it.
  • August 7, 2012
    Polarbear2217
    Appeal to Knowledge?

    Appeal to Experience?

    Appeal to Research?

    Appeal to Education?
  • August 8, 2012
    dragonslip
    @Polarbear2217

    what are those?
  • August 8, 2012
    surgoshan
    In debate circles, this is known as the Argument From Authority. It is, half the time, a logical fallacy, the other half of the time it's just an unconvincing argument.

    The argument is effective because of the simian (and other animals) drive to respect authority. Humans and others possess, to varying degrees, an innate desire to bow to authority, whether derived from age[[hottip:*:Respect your elders.]], physical strength[[hotip:*:Might Makes Right]], or simple experience [[hottip:*:It is ridiculously easy to boss around the new guy at work.]]

    • It's a logical fallacy when it's used, with or without actual experience to shut up your interlocutor.
    Either the user isn't actually an expert:
    "My degrees in chemistry tell me there's no global warming."
    "You dropped out of community college and got a job with Fox News."
    or there isn't consensus among experts.
    "Dentists all agree that you should use our toothpaste."
    "Actually, 20% disagree, bitch."

    • It's unconvincing even when the user is correct because actual logic and evidence is always more effective than "Because I say so." It's more effective still than "Because some other guy says so.
  • August 8, 2012
    KingZeal
    Related to Trust Me Im An X.
  • August 8, 2012
    dragonslip
    surgoshan

    the problem with "actual logic and evidence" is most people don't undersatnd epistemology well enough to recognise those things when they see them
  • August 8, 2012
    polarbear2217
    @dragonslip. Possible titles. Sorry, should have been clearer.
  • August 8, 2012
    rodneyAnonymous
    This is silly. It is totally meaningless to say "I have done research" without being able to cite the source(s); the proper answer is the debate version of "pics or it didn't happen". If you allow an argument to be won that way, you deserve to lose it. Whereas an Appeal To Authority certainly might be used as a storytelling device, this diluted version would not. Not a trope.
  • August 8, 2012
    dragonslip
    @rodneyAnonymous

    I get into a lot of arguments in You Tube video comment sections, people pull this on me all the time

  • August 8, 2012
    ccoa
    What happens in real life is not always a trope. Have you ever seen this happen in fiction?
  • August 8, 2012
    dragonslip
    @ccoa

    I feel like I have if you know what I mean, I just can't put my finger on a particular example
  • August 8, 2012
    rodneyAnonymous
    Did you keep a straight face while offering YouTube comments as a counter-example? For that matter, which point was that meant to counter...?
  • August 8, 2012
    FastEddie
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=0ls2js2y81i14u88xf9pnlc0&trope=DiscardedYKTTW