Page Action: The Mario
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Whether to rename The Mario
. There's a long discussion in the forums you may want to read first.
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+42 (yeas:98 nays:56)
Does The Mario
need to be renamed?
for yes, DOWN
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- Trope has fewer wicks than other similar Competitive Balance tropes
- Amount of wicks is two standard deviations below the mean among its peers. That's comparable to scoring a 300 on the SAT. The only trope among its peers with a character-based, video-game-centric title is exactly the one with this problem.
- Character named trope; the name doesn't have any additional context about the character to help convey the trope's meaning to non-familiar viewers.
- Searches for the trope are dominated by Mario himself, even when given clues such as "+character" and "+balanced" to make it understand that we mean the trope. There is not nearly as much use for this trope with our meaning as there is for e.g. Fragile Speedster.
- Character is known for other aspects than this trope.
- It is listed on the Everything You Wanted To Know About Changing Titles page as a bad name.
- The Grandfather Clause does not apply. And even if it did, that would not be a valid reason to not rename it.
- Despite performing less well than similar tropes, there's a lot of use, indicating a healthy trope.
- Trope has a healthy growth rate, averaging 130+ new inbounds per month over the last year-ish.
- The Mario is less common than some of the other Competitive Balance tropes and has a narrower application (for example, it's rare to see it outside of Video Games), so it's not surprising if its numbers are lower than some of its peers.
- General policy is to rename based on whether a trope is showing actual signs of being broken, not based on whether the name sounds like it should be confusing, and the actual stats here are indicative of a trope that's working okay as is (regardless of any theoretical problems it ought to have).
- Repair action is already being taken—a Jack-of-All-Trades trope is being split away. This may help clear up any existing confusion about the definition without the need for a rename.
Wick Check results:
Wick Check #1
, September 10th, 2010:
Note that the definition apparently being used was not "balanced stats", it appears to have been "multi-talented or jack-of-all-trades character"
- Sample Size: 45
- Random? Looks like it.
- Correct: 39
- Incorrect: 2
- Questionable: 4
- Results: 86% correct, 4% incorrect, 9% questionable.
. Because of this discrepancy, this wick check's validity is dubious.
Wick check #2
, April 18th 2011
As with wick check #1, the definition being used does not appear to be "balanced stats" but rather "jack-of-all-trades, multi-talented, or all-rounder". This wick check should be treated as being of dubious validity.
Wick check #3
- Sample size: 25
- Random? No, in order starting at the top of the list
- Correct: 20
- Incorrect: 1
- Questionable but assumed to be correct: 4
- Results: Correct: 80%, Incorrect: 5%, Questionable but assumed to be correct: 15%
, July 20th, 2011:
Wick check #4
- Sample size: 10
- Random? Yes
- Correct: 7
- Incorrect: 1
- Don't know: 2
- Results: 70% correct, 10% misused, 20% don't know.
, July 23, 2011:
Wick Check #5
- Sample Size: 27
- Random? Yes
- Clearly Correct: 10
- Clearly Incorrect: 5
- Can't tell: 7
- X, Just...X: 5
- Results: Correct: 38%; Incorrect: 18%; Can't tell/X, Just...X: 44%
, July 13, 2011:
The definition that was used is in question, since several of the "Correct" examples use terms like "all-arounder" or "well-rounded" but appear to be referring to range of abilities rather than stat balance.
- Sample Size: 49
- Random? No; in order starting from the bottom of the list
- Correct: 31
- Probably Correct: 2
- Not Sure: 6
- Wrong; Clearly meaning "Multiple occupations or talents": 9
- Wrong: referring to Mario the character: 1
- Results: Correct: 63%; Probably Correct: 4%; Not sure: 2%; Wrong: 20%
- The Mario found in: 726 articles, excluding discussions. This title has brought 2,404 people to the wiki from non-search engine links since 20th FEB '09.
-5 (yeas:3 nays:8)
Total number: 2. Number shown: 2.
Total number of votes: 165