Line #55 YMMV/Wicked


1	For the books, see [[YMMV/TheWickedYears here]]. For the first part of the film adaptation, see [[YMMV/WickedPartOne here]].
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3	!!Tropes applying to the musical:
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5	* AccidentalAesop: Two wrongs don't make a right, and don't involve innocent people within your petty feuds. Glinda is rightly furious at Elphaba for eloping with Fiyero behind her back, but it was her fault that the magic shoes end up on Dorothy's feet. When Elphaba confronts her for stealing shoes from a dead woman and her own sister, Glinda obliviously says, "they're just shoes!" and tries to justify it as revenge for Elphaba taking Fiyero. She realizes her mistake when Elphaba kidnaps Dorothy and is close to murdering her to get the shoes back -- Glinda stuck them tightly with magic so Dorothy, who would be more than happy to surrender the shoes, can't get them off. Glinda doesn't exactly apologize, but she tells Elphaba that killing an innocent girl isn't like "Elphie" at all.
6	* AccidentalInnuendo: From "As Long As You're Mine": "If it turns out it's [[JizzedInMyPants over too fast]]..." To the point where we're not sure it ''was'' accidental.
7	* ActorShipping: Thanks to the high amount of HomoeroticSubtext in the script, supplemented by their professed adoration of each other in interviews, many fans have shipped original Elphie and Glinda actress Creator/IdinaMenzel and Creator/KristinChenoweth. Ironically, these rumours probably are matched only by the rumours that the two hated each other. The latter are Jossed and largely never heard of anymore. Both have confirmed they are friends.
8	* AdaptationDisplacement: Part of why fans of the book are so nervous about a movie version of the musical being made is that it will further cement into people's minds that ''this'' is the official ''Wicked'' story, and people will continue to forget about and ignore the books.
9	* {{Adorkable}}:
10	** Elphaba in the first act of the musical. Oh, she's got a biting tongue alright, but she's also socially awkward and her attempts to interact with people, as well as her mannerisms when excited, come off as rather endearing.
11	** Fiyero shows shades of this. Mostly once he starts falling in love with Elphaba. Even moreso in the book, where he's shyer and more soft-spoken.
12	* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Once you take in the WordOfGod that Glinda was in love with Elphaba, it puts quite a few scenes in a new light.
13	** Speaking of love...does Boq really love Glinda or is he fascinated by the most pretty and popular girl at Shiz who is way out of his league?
14	* AwardSnub: It lost the Best Musical Tony to ''Theatre/AvenueQ'', which didn't have as much longevity[[note]]''Avenue Q'' ran on Broadway for six years, moving Off-Broadway after a three-week hiatus. The Off-Broadway run closed in May 2019[[/note]]. Of course, while ''Wicked'' has undoubtedly eclipsed ''Avenue Q'' commercially, the Tony winner ''was'' far more acclaimed.
15	* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: More like Big Lipped Alligator ''Object.'' The Clock of the Time Dragon, which played an important role in the book, is completely cut from TheMusical with the exception of its unexplained presence above the stage. All it does is look scary while audiences try to figure out what the hell it's supposed to be, then freak them out by coming to life at seemingly random intervals.
16	* BrokenAesop: ''Wicked'''s primary question, "what makes one wicked?", and all the messages that go with it, end up mildly broken due to the LighterAndSofter adaptation. For all of Elphaba's problems, in the musical, she is never truly wicked, so the musings seem kind of pointless. Also, the (admittedly depressing) [[AnAesop Aesop]] of "No good deed going unpunished" is broken by Elphaba getting a happy ending in contrast to the extreme DownerEnding of the book. Though the lesson might be that people "have wickedness thrust upon them" specifically ''because'' Elphaba doesn't have to do anything wicked to be declared the Wicked Witch.
17	* BrokenBase: Which Elphaba is the best? Safe to say that the fandom is ''heavily'' divided on the subject.
18	* CanonDefilement: Just like ''Wicked'' the book is to the original movie and ''Oz'' novels, so is this in turn to that book. Some [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks don't like it]] while others [[PragmaticAdaptation prefer the changes]].
19	* CaptainObviousReveal:
20	** Given all the times Fiyero makes explicit mentions of [[spoiler: himself or others being brainless]] it's not much of a shock that he [[spoiler: becomes The Scarecrow, especially since we already see the origins of Dorothy's other two companions by the time this is made clear.]]
21	** The repeated foreshadowing in "Sentimental Man" of the Wizard [[spoiler:describing himself as a father figure]] makes it easy to deduce that he is [[spoiler:Elphaba's biological father]] -- even more so if you recognize the voice of the [[spoiler:potion seller]].
22	* CriticalDissonance: The musical received a [[SoOkayItsAverage lukewarm]] reception at best from critics, but has since gone on to become one of the most successful and beloved productions by theatergoers.
23	* DieForOurShip: Fiyero is often villainized by Elphaba/Glinda shippers due to him being Elphaba's main love interest. A lot of fics turn him into a self-centered jerk or flat-out abusive boyfriend who doesn't deserve Elphaba. While he starts off somewhat mean, a lot of these shippers tend to ignore his character development for the sake of their ship.
24	* FanPreferredCouple: Despite Elphaba [[OfficialCouple being canonically paired]] with Fiyero and running away with him in the end, most fans prefer to pair with Glinda, due to the pair's friendship being the heart of the play and feeling like they have better chemistry. It certainly helps that both the original book's author and several cast members have said [[WordOfGay that they feel like Elphaba and Glinda are in love with each other]] and could have ended up together if things had played out differently.
25	* FoeYayShipping: "What Is This Feeling?", which has the added benefit of having lyrics that make it sound exactly like a [[SillyLoveSongs Silly Love Song]], except for the fact that it's about two people absolutely ''hating'' each other.
26	* GeniusBonus: Fiyero's line "learn to live the unexamined life" is a reference to Creator/{{Socrates}}'s dictum "The unexamined life is not worth living."
27	* HeartwarmingInHindsight: "Popular" is about how Galinda plans to make Elphaba popular. Well Elphaba certainly became popular to fans of the play.
28	* HilariousInHindsight:
29	** Thanks to Creator/IdinaMenzel's later role as the voice of Queen Elsa in ''WesternAnimation/{{Frozen\|2013}}'', quite a lot of things about Elphaba suddenly seem even more interesting.
30	*** In ''Wicked'', Elphaba is a misunderstood older sibling, has magical powers, has a dramatic IAmBecomingSong ("Defying Gravity"), and stars alongside a blonde-haired actress whose first name is [[Creator/KristinChenoweth Kristin]]. In ''Frozen'', Queen Elsa is a misunderstood older sibling, [[AnIcePerson has magical powers]], has a dramatic IAmBecomingSong ("Let it Go"), and starring alongside a blonde-haired actress whose first name is [[Creator/KristenBell Kristen]]. [[WesternAnimation/Frozen2013 Coincidence?]] Well, maybe, but that doesn't stop it from being both hilarious and awesome.
31	*** It's not just Idina Menzel, but also applies to Caissie Levy, the first actress to play Elsa in the [[Theatre/Frozen2018 Broadway musical adaptation]], and Caroline Bowman, who originated the role of Elsa on the North American tour. Incidentally, Patti Murin, who plays Anna, was Glinda in the first national tour of ''Wicked''.
32	*** When Glinda confronts Elphaba near the end and says "I mean they're just shoes... let it go!". Try to hear that now without mentally playing "Let It Go" in your head. In fact, Savannah Stevenson at one point [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzGeniwUpQc sang a few seconds of "Let It Go"]] during that scene. It certainly helps bring some levity to an otherwise quite sad scene.
33	*** One part of "No Good Deed" goes, ''Is that all good deeds are/When looked at with an ice-cold eye''.
34	*** [[CriticalDissonance Although definitely the more popular show]], it lost the Best Musical Tony to ''Theatre/AvenueQ''... At least over a decade later, Idina Menzel ended up working with the composers of ''Theatre/AvenueQ'' on ''WesternAnimation/{{Frozen\|2013}}'', which has a ''hugely'' popular song that is what "Defying Gravity" has been for ''Wicked'' (and won Best Original Song at the Oscars to boot).
35	*** In "What Is This Feeling?", Elphaba pins Galinda's personality down to one word: "Blonde". What is Elsa? A blonde.
36	** The German-language productions deliver some gems.
37	*** Fiyero swings into the scene on a vine in a cornfield. Two years prior to assuming the role for Wicked Oberhausen, Anton Zetterholm originated the titular role in ''Tarzan'' the musical in Hamburg. His predecessor in Wicked Stuttgart (2008), Mark Seibert, also auditioned for the role of Tarzan and lost.
38	*** Willemijn Verkaik (incidentally, the Dutch and German voice for Elsa, and has played Elphaba in the English, German, and Dutch-language productions) made her premiere as Elphaba alongside Mark Seibert's Fiyero in Stuttgart. Her last show in Oberhausen was played with Anton Zetterholm as Fiyero.
39	*** The German-language, and European in general, theatre scene is ''tiny'', leading to Fiyero going on to play either Elphabas' lover or son in ''Theatre/{{Elisabeth}}''. Just using the actors named above: Mark Seibert went on to play Death, and Anton Zetterholm Rudolf, opposite Roberta Valentini's Sisi. Willemijn Verkaik did play Sisi, but only in Switzerland.
40	* HollywoodHomely: Green skin paint is far from enough to make most Elphaba actresses look bad. Even beyond the skin paint, the makeup for Elphaba plays this straight. In Act I, when Elphaba is a dowdy student, her face is made up to look plain and severe -- the equivalent of "no-makeup makeup" on a normal skin tone. In Act II, her makeup is noticeably more glam.
41	* HypeBacklash: Despite its enormous success, many have come out calling it underwhelming and cliche. The show has also been pointed to as a negative influence on the future of musical theatre, with it being argued it popularized the emphasis on belting over more intricate character driven songs, as well as the over reliance on making stories out of famous [=IPs=] rather than more original works.
42	* JerkassWoobie:
43	** An ultimate subversion with Nessarose when [[spoiler: Elphaba finally casts a spell allowing her to walk again, when she becomes an outright [[UngratefulBastard Ungrateful Bitch]].]]
44	** The Wizard, who never had a family and was never really loved on Earth, and just wants to make up for that in Oz, only for it to [[spoiler: cost him an actual chance at a family, namely with his daughter Elphaba.]]
45	* LGBTFanbase: Elphaba and Glinda have both become lesbian/bisexual icons due to their subtext-heavy relationship. Even the official Twitter for the play gets in on it during Pride Month.
46	* MagnificentBastard: The Wizard in the musical adaptation serves as a figurehead and icon for the people of Oz. Being a [[AffablyEvil genuinely paternal figure]] to Oz, he tries to [[WellIntentionedExtremist unite them]] by presenting them with an enemy. He begins robbing the sentient animals of Oz of their voices and their sentience. When his to-be protege, the magical Elphaba, challenges him on what he does, he declares her an enemy of the state, and when she returns, nearly convinces her to join him again, explaining that his lies are for the good of his people. Using his charisma and resources, he convinces Dorothy and her party to kill Elphaba. With Elphaba driven out and forced to fake her own death, The Wizard finds himself successful, only to leave Oz upon [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone realizing]] that, in fact, [[spoiler:[[LukeYouAreMyFather Elphaba was his own daughter.]]]]
47	* MoralEventHorizon:
48	** In the musical, [[spoiler:Morrible crosses it by sending the cyclone after Nessarose.]]
49	** Meanwhile, Nessarose crosses it by [[spoiler:ripping out Boq's heart in an attempt to gain his love. She then crosses it further by acting like an UngratefulBastard when Elphaba manages to save him]].
50	** As for [[spoiler:Boq, it's his riding out to kill "the witch" when he knows very well that if not for Elphaba he would be dead. His reaction is a stark contrast to Fiyero's gratitude, where he thanks Elphaba.]]
51	** Subverted when [[spoiler:Elphaba decides to no longer try to be good and captures Dorothy, intent on reclaiming her sister's shoes. Glinda arrives to talk her down, which buys enough time for Elphaba to get Fiyero's message.]]
52	* NarmCharm: By themselves, the song's lyrics are rather cheesy (especially the casual use of {{Perfectly Cromulent Word}}s as per the worldbuilding), but in the context of the story, combined with the amazing vocals and score, not to mention the performance itself, they manage to become SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic.
53	* OneTrueThreesome: In the musical, things would never have turned into quite the tragedy it did if only Elphaba/Fiyero/Glinda had been a thing. [[ThreesomeSubtext There's enough subtext on all ends for someone to make a case for it too.]]
54	* ShipToShipCombat: It exists within the book fandom but it's more common in the musical fandom. Gelphie (Glinda/Elphaba) vs Fiyeraba (Fiyero/Elphaba) is the most common by far.
55	* SignatureSong: "Defying Gravity."
56	* SpiritualAdaptation: While there will be a forthcoming film adaptation of the book and the musical that will eventually be released, there have been at least three movies made by Creator/{{Disney}} in 2013 that some strong parallels to the story no less:
57	** ''Film/{{Maleficent}}'' is basically ''Wicked'' with the titular character and the Moors Kingdom as stand-ins for Elpehba and the Land of Oz.
58	** ''Film/OzTheGreatAndPowerful'', just like ''Wicked'', is also an origin story for an important character in the Oz mythos, in this case Oscar Diggs, though we do see the birth of the Wicked Witch of the West. Just [[BodyHorror not how you'd expect it]].
59	** ''WesternAnimation/Frozen2013'' is a big-budget AnimatedAdaptation of ''Wicked'' with even Creator/IdinaMenzel starring as an emotionally conflicted sorceress who lives alone in a castle.
60	* {{Squick}}: As explained in the Stephen Schwartz biography book, ''Defying Gravity: The Creative Career of Stephen Schwartz from Godspell to Wicked'', in the song "For Good," the line "You'll be with me like a handprint on my heart" was originally written as "footprint on my heart" but changed because it was felt that the former would be this. His wife, Carole, was the first person he presented the song too and she said "It's just icky, it's like someone stepping on my heart."
61	* TearJerker:
62	** Elphaba apologizing to [[spoiler:Nessarose's corpse and sobbing]].
63	** "As Long As You're Mine", especially considering [[spoiler: what happens ''immediately after''.]]
64	** Pretty much ''everything'' in the finale qualifies: "For Good", [[spoiler:the melting scene]], Chistery's first time speaking, [[spoiler:the Wizard finding out he was Elphaba's father]], and the ending.
65	** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-iin8SZXOo Kristin Chenoweth's last "For Good"]] is even sadder than most -- she authentically breaks down. Her entire last performance basically consists of her voice breaking with every line.
66	** The realization that Fiyero likely jumped into that cornfield not intending to come out alive.
67	%%** "For Good". "No Good Deed" certainly counts, too. "I'm Not That Girl" is definitely a sad moment.
68	* TearDryer: The ending leads to the inevitable. [[DoomedByCanon Elphaba]] is melted after being doused by a bucket of water thrown by Dorothy. As Glinda sobs over the death of her best friend, [[spoiler:the "Scarecrow" stumbles onto the scene, opens up a trap-door, and a very much alive Elphaba pops up and is reunited with Fiyero.]]
69	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: While the two leading ladies both get a big showcase, it's been noted by some that their supporting cast are sidelined with fairly thankless roles.
70	** Perhaps the worst case of this is The Wizard. His character is actually pretty interesting, what with his kind hearted nature causing him to do evil. Unfortunately, he's mostly OutOfFocus throughout the show. And then there's his final scene, where [[spoiler: he learns he's Elphaba's father, and mournfully allows himself to be exiled. On paper this sounds like a huge moment, but the sparse dialogue and use of music makes the moment fly by]] making this major development feel quite rushed.
71	%%* {{Wangst}}: "No Good Deed", for some.
72	* WriterCopOut: Somewhat. In the book, as in the original movie, Elphaba dies after Dorothy throws water on her. Apparently wanting a more family-friendly ending for the musical, [[spoiler:it turns out that she was FakingTheDead.]] However, as mentioned on the main page, it's still a BittersweetEnding [[spoiler:in that she and Fiyero can never return to Oz nor tell Glinda that they're alive and well.]]

Context YMMV / Wicked