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3	* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
4	** Given that Paris is said to be a huge womaniser, is it possible he really loves Helen? Or is he just going to drop her when he gets bored, and move onto another woman who takes his fancy?
5	** Did Briseis only fall for Achilles out of AMatchMadeInStockholm?[[note]]Unlikely since her behaviour does not show any sign of Stockholm Syndrome, which involves attachment even while being abused.[[/note]] Or was she genuinely impressed by him not being a total "dumb brute"? Or a third camp suggests that she may have decided to become his lover out of pragmatism - as Achilles was at least decent to her and therefore a better option than being gang raped by the other men. Another way to read their sex scene is that she may have expected she would be raped soon, and chose to give herself to Achilles as a way of making sure she at least had some choice in losing her virginity.
6	** The film drops the Greek Gods from the plot, but employs MaybeMagicMaybeMundane. Achilles says that he's seen them personally. Creator/JulieChristie appears as Thetis - who was a sea goddess - and spends the entirety of her scene in the water, which seems to be a hint to her being a goddess. Achilles defaces the statue of Apollo and eventually loses his cousin, and dies just as he's about to be with the woman he loves. So the Gods very well could be manipulating events offscreen.
7	** Helen nearly giving herself up to the Greeks after the first day of battles. Does she think it will help, and wants to prevent further bloodshed on her account? Or does she know it's hopeless, and just wants to be punished in some way to relieve her guilt? She later claims that Menelaos "lived for battle", which is ''blatantly'' contradicted by his sincere desire to make peace with Troy in the film's opening. Was she trying to alleviate Paris' guilt over his cowardice, or did she simply assume that Menelaos was a BloodKnight since he, by his own admission, had always fought his older brother's wars for him without question, with Helen never bothering to ask her husband if he ''really'' enjoyed it or not?
8	** Speaking of Menelaus, he claims he wants to kill Paris as a matter of honor, but he's willing to violate a pact by promising Agamemnon that the latter can sack Troy regardless of how the duel with Paris ends. Was Menelaus simply a hypocrite whose claims of honor were empty? Was he so obsessed with killing Paris that he rashly told Agamemnon what he wanted to hear to get his revenge? Did he figure the Trojans deserved it for breaking SacredHospitality (a ''very'' big deal in Ancient Greece, presided over by none other than ''Zeus himself'') earlier in the film? A bit of all three?
9	*** Did Menelaus toss his shield aside at the start of his duel with Paris out of confidence that he wouldn't need it to win (and he ultimately didn't), or did he do it to lure the inexperienced prince into facing him head-on (which Hector bluntly told his brother ''not'' to do)? Either makes sense: Menelaus certainly has a lot of confidence in his abilities (and rightly so), and he's experienced enough to notice that Paris is smaller and likely quicker, but has ''also'' never fought before, and thus can be tricked into not playing on his strengths.
10	* AluminumChristmasTrees:
11	** Achilles being portrayed as blond seems like AdaptationalDyeJob except he is actually described as golden-haired in the myths.
12	** Patroclus actually was a kinsman of Achilles and they were not lovers in the Iliad, but merely close friends who were at the most AmbiguouslyBi. The portrayal of them as lovers is Post-Homeric.
13	** The equipment of the armies in the movies was mostly rather un-Hellenic and bears little resemblance to the Hoplites of antiquity (exceptions like Achilles's myrmidons notwithstanding). Though it's debatable whether the attire we see on screen is historically correct, we can say for sure that a traditional Hellenic look the viewers most likely are used to would definitely have been out of place: The events the Iliad was modelled after had taken place hundreds of years before the rise of Athens and Sparta and the times of Classical Greece, and before the Bronze Age Collapse.
14	* AngstWhatAngst:
15	** Priam has no ill-will towards Helen for eloping with his son and getting a war started. Even when Paris is about to fight to the death because of it, he kindly asks Helen to sit next to him and call him "father". The extended cut explains that he has extreme faith in the gods, ever since Hector miraculously recovered from a fever as a child after a night of prayer, so he presumably accepts that Helen is there because the gods willed it (which to be fair is how it was in the original mythology).
16	** Andromache lets Helen comfort her after Hector is killed, and hold her baby during his funeral. Even though Hector was her LivingEmotionalCrutch and got killed because of Helen's affair, she likewise shows no ill-will towards her or Paris. Notably in ''Theatre/TheTrojanWomen'', Helen is blamed by both Andromache and Hector and Paris's mother Hecuba (who's AdaptedOut in this).
17	* AudienceColoringAdaptation: The movie influenced subsequent media portrayals of the Trojan War.
18	** The movie bucks centuries of convention in the arts by avoiding a "classical Greek hoplite" look, due to taking place earlier than those visuals would have existed. Contrast this to earlier SwordAndSandal movies about the Trojan War, including ''Film/HelenOfTroy'' from 1956, and also the miniseries of the same name from 2003. Later portrayals like ''VideoGame/WarriorsLegendsOfTroy'', ''Series/TroyFallOfACity'' and ''VideoGame/ATotalWarSagaTroy'' also avoid the classical hoplite look. While the movie is not unique in this (''ComicBook/AgeOfBronze'' started in 1998, for instance), it's the most well-known version to do so.
19	** The ''Fall of a City'' TV series and the trailer for the ''Total War Saga'' video game have their own takes on the movie-original scene where Achilles yells for Hector to come out of Troy. In the show he kills Trojan prisoners until Hector shows up, and in the game's trailer it happens in the middle of a battle.
20	** The ''Warriors'' game copies the look of Achilles in the movie with the long blond hair (though as mentioned, he was described as having blond hair in the myths) and the black armor and shield, and also his signature leaping downward attack.
21	* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Just listen to the movie's end theme, "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd6KhPcwLHs Remember]]", by Josh Groban.
22	* BaseBreakingCharacter: Patroclus is either a [[TheWoobie Woobie]] who just wants to fight for his people and his death is one of the ultimate tragedies, or an immature brat whose idiotic pride got a lot of innocent people killed.
23	* BestKnownForTheFanservice:
24	** A variation. A large amount of press for the film consisted of women's magazines {{Squee}}ing over "Brad Pitt in a skirt!" Creator/BrianCox even admitted in his memoir that he had a hard time focusing on the scenes because he was so distracted by Pitt's sculpted physique.
25	** Creator/OrlandoBloom and Creator/EricBana are also on {{Fanservice}} duty for nearly three hours, both getting plenty of {{Shirtless Scene}}s and their regular clothes showing plenty of skin too.
26	** And for the reverse, Creator/DianeKruger walks around with beautiful golden long hair, occasionally nude (and you see much more in the extended cut) and the camera is all too happy to show off her beauty. She was immediately included on People magazine's "50 Most Beautiful People in the World" list that year - at Number 44.
27	** How does one tell the difference between the theatrical cut and the extended version? If it's not the longer sacking of Troy, it's Helen going topless (she only has ShouldersUpNudity in the former).
28	* BrokenBase:
29	** On whether Helen deserves sympathy or not. Those who say she doesn't point out that she started a war and gets away scot-free, while showing minimal guilt. Those who think she does deserve sympathy point to her attempt to give herself back to the Greeks, and the look between her and Hector before he goes to fight Achilles - where she is clearly sorry for what she's done. Other characters point out that Helen's elopement was merely an excuse for the Greeks to invade - and that Agamemnon outright says he only wishes to conquer Troy, regardless of Helen. It's up to the viewer whether this is CharacterShilling or not.
30	** There's also the reduction of the siege from ten years to a number of weeks or months. Some claim TheyChangedItNowItSucks and wonder why they'd even adapt the story if the ten year siege was going to be shortened. Others argue that there would be no way to properly make a ten year war work in a film - and that the gist of the story is intact. They also point out that ''Literature/TheIliad'' did not actually depict all ten years either. The Iliad shows the period of AchillesInHisTent, then Hector's death and funeral. A period of few weeks, which ends up being the middle-act of the film, with the opening scene and finale borrowed from events mentioned second hand or in later epics.
31	** Other changes from the source material like the gods not having onscreen roles, what or who else gets left out, and which people die instead of survive and vice versa help make this film divisive but at least ripe for interesting discussion among fans of Classical mythology and literature. For instance, those who wish the gods had a more visible presence would essentially prefer the film be in a different subgenre, from just "historical-style" sword and sandal to more overt "fantasy" sword and sandal like ''Film/JasonAndTheArgonauts'' and ''[[Film/ClashOfTheTitans1981 Clash of the Titans]]'', the latter of which was remade six years after ''Troy''. Those who are fine with no visible gods are often interested in the inherent {{Demythification}} approach the film takes.
32	* CatharsisFactor:
33	** [[spoiler:Menelaus, being a hedonistic jerk who always made Helen feel like she was nothing and then wanting to kill her for running away from him, getting stabbed by Hector feels like the appropriately karmic outcome to his actions.]]
34	** [[spoiler:While it happens a little too fast, the bloodthirsty Agamemnon taking a dagger to the neck by Briseis after having been the insufferable conqueror and usurper he's been long since the movie began is still therapeutic--and especially because it means that he doesn't get to live to see out the rest of Troy's destruction ''or'' continue to possess the other lands he already took over either.]]
35	* CommonKnowledge: The portrayal of Achilles is typically referred to as having been "straightwashed" despite the fact that Achilles and Patroclus actually were kinsmen and close friends and were not portrayed as lovers in the Iliad, being AmbiguouslyBi at the most. The portrayal of them as lovers is post-Homeric.
36	* CriticalBacklash: Despite being roasted by critics and seen as only mildly entertaining at best when it first came out, there are many fans who enjoy the movie on its own merits; enjoying the action scenes, spectacular production values and characterization of several figures.
37	* CrossesTheLineTwice: In the extended cut, Archeptolemus pompously tries a BadassBoast to the Greeks looting the temple, bragging that Apollo will protect him. The soldiers pick him up and throw him out the window.
38	* DesignatedVillain: Menelaus, arguably. He's the [[SacredHospitality moral victor]] in his dispute with Paris, and so the film gives him a number of KickTheDog moments (as well as having heroic characters slander him as a warmongering BloodKnight... when his very first scene has him [[InformedFlaw making peace with his enemies because he's tired of war]]) to try and tip back the scales. Also, it's clear that Agamemnon, his own brother and the true villain, exploits his plight to satisfy his own greed. AdaptationalVillainy is also working against him here.
39	* EnsembleDarkhorse:
40	** Ajax actually dies very early on in the movie, before it's even got to the one hour mark in the extended version. You wouldn't know it thanks to Tyler Mane making him such a MemeticBadass. He gets a lot of love for taking forever to die.
41	** Odysseus as well of course, given that he's played by Creator/SeanBean, in one of the roles where he's not the villain and doesn't die.
42	** Andromache doesn't get as many scenes as Helen or Briseis, but she's pretty popular for Saffron Burrows's SilkHidingSteel performance and chemistry with Eric Bana.
43	* EstrogenBrigade: Although this is a RatedMForManly action movie, it has a large amount of female fans. Creator/BradPitt, Creator/EricBana and Creator/OrlandoBloom all have {{Shirtless Scene}}s - Pitt especially spending the whole movie in very skimpy armor.
44	* FridgeBrilliance: In ''Literature/TheIliad'', whenever Achilles gets so royally pissed off at Agamemnon that he risks dissolving the Greek alliance, Athena, known for her wisdom and temperance in battle, is the one who restrains him from acting rashly. In the film, whenever the conflict between Achilles and Agamemnon starts to get out of hand or threatens the Greek alliance, Nestor talks the men down by appealing to their rationality and invoking TheNeedsOfTheMany - effectively standing in for Athena in the more mundane setting.
45	* HarsherInHindsight:
46	** On the first day of the siege, Achilles lets Hector go free saying "it's too early in the day for killing princes". He later fights Hector to the latter's death in the morning.
47	** Briseis likewise says "I don't want anyone dying for me". The two men she says that to, Agamemnon and Achilles, do indeed die for her; albeit the former via her stabbing him in self-defence.
48	** Priam is nothing but welcoming to Helen when she arrives in Troy, even asking her to call him "father". Diane Kruger later confessed that she hated working with Peter O'Toole and how rude he was to her on set.
49	* HilariousInHindsight:
50	** With Achilles' trademark finisher resembling a certain leaping assassination technique from a certain video game series and at least three of the Greco-Roman gods comprising the [[{{Precursors}} First Civilization]], maybe Achilles was really [[Franchise/AssassinsCreed an Assassin]]. Amusingly, there really ''is'' [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII an Assassin named Achilles]].
51	** The fact that this is one of the few movies where Creator/SeanBean's character (Odysseus) doesn't die, a movie where over half the named cast members die, ranks up there as well.
52	** A major plot point is Achilles getting sick of being at Agamemnon's beck and call. Which happens every week in the first season of ''VideoGame/LBXLittleBattlersExperience''.
53	** Creator/SeanBean plays Odysseus here and would later play Zeus, the king of the Greek gods, in the film adaptation of ''Literature/{{Percy Jackson\|AndTheOlympians}}''.
54	** WordOfGod is that the filmmaker didn't want Helen to appear in the film, feeling no actress could live up to the audience's expectations. He compromised by casting an unknown actress - and half the press came from journalists snarking that Diane Kruger wasn't pretty enough.
55	** Creator/DianeKruger makes things go very badly for Creator/RoseByrne here. A couple of years later, they starred together in ''Film/WickerPark'' - where Byrne gets her own back. She splits up Kruger's relationship and tries to sleep with her boyfriend in her place. Furthermore Byrne's character in ''Troy'' chooses to become a virgin priestess, whereas in ''Wicker Park'' she's sleeping with two men.
56	** The film stars William Stryker, Vanisher and Moira McTaggart from the X-Men films[[note]]Bryan Cox was Styker in X-Men 2, Byrne played McTaggart in two films and Pitt had a brief appearance as Vanisher in Deadpool 2[[/note]].
57	** Orlando Bloom would play a man defending a city from siege in ''Film/KingdomOfHeaven'' the same year, also having an affair with a queen in an unhappy marriage. He almost didn't do the film because he had just done ''Troy''. Brendan Gleeson stars in an antagonistic role in that too.
58	* HoYay: When Achilles gives his RousingSpeech, Eudoras is seen looking at him in a way that's clearly meant to show how much he respects Achilles - but ends up looking like he's gazing lovingly at a crush. Understandable, because-- again--Creator/BradPitt in a skirt. In addition, his devotion to Achilles seems romantic at times, and they even part with Achilles kissing him on the forehead.
59	* ImprovedByTheReCut: The Director's Cut is widely considered to be superior. It includes more sex and violence, more CharacterDevelopment (especially for Odysseus and Priam) and there's more of the actual Sacking of Troy.
60	* ItWasHisSled: Oh, so very much. From who in the movie dies, to the Greeks succeeding in destroying Troy.
61	* JustHereForGodzilla: Although the impetus for starting the war, Helen is actually in the film less than one would expect. However, she has plenty of fans for Diane Kruger's beauty and subtly heart-breaking performance. Indeed, this is one of the more sympathetic takes on Helen - where she was more commonly seen as either a CosmicPlaything, DamselInDistress or ManipulativeBitch beforehand. Many would watch the movie just for Helen.
62	* LoveToHate: Creator/BrianCox [[ChewingTheScenery chews the scenery]] and makes Agamemnon such a charismatic villain that he's one of the favourite characters in the movie.
63	* MemeticBadass: Achilles. "[[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny Who would win?]] Achilles or...?" ([[Film/ThreeHundred Leonidas]]/[[Film/{{Gladiator}} Maximus]]/Franchise/{{Superman}}/[[Website/ChuckNorrisFacts Chuck Norris]]...) Experts have even pronounced him "[=Str8 gangsta=]", unusually for the time period. ''WesternAnimation/{{Beowulf 2007}}'' fans [[https://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=DrkguvGFnrE debate at length:]] ''"Achilles is kinda cheating with the heel thing..."'' And the answer is: [[RunningGag Achilles]].
64	* MemeticLoser: Among wrestling fans, Nathan Jones getting killed in a CurbStompBattle in the film's prologue is seen as a punchline to his disappointing WWE run.
65	* MemeticMutation:
66	** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnYdteja7Y0 Agamemnon's laugh and pointing]] at Menelaus and Paris's battle gets used a lot as a reaction image to [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments particularly funny events/posts]].
67	** "[[https://m15m.livejournal.com/1487.html COUSIN. TOTALLY COUSIN. IN CONCLUSION: COUSIN.]]" A running gag in Creator/CleolindaJones' "Troy in Fifteen Minutes" parody, mocking the movie's [[HaveIMentionedIAmHeterosexualToday heavy emphasis on Achilles and Patroclus having a solely familial relationship,]] even though the portrayal of them as lovers is Post-Homeric meaning having them as friends and kinsmen is more accurate.
68	** "Imagine a king who fights his own battles. Wouldn't that be a sight." (Insert name of warrior king here.)
69	* MoralEventHorizon:
70	** Practically every Greek soldier, save Achilles and Odysseus, crosses it when they sack Troy in the Director's Cut.
71	** If Agamemnon hadn't already crossed it, "I gave her to the men!" made him sail over it like he was launched from a cannon.
72	* {{Narm}}:
73	** Creator/BradPitt's accent seems a likely place. This is primarily for the sake of balance, but the film does have a kind of ''Film/RobinHoodPrinceOfThieves'' silliness to it.
74	** The film goes to great, almost absurd lengths to assure the audience that Achilles is straight and that his ''cousin'' and surrogate little brother figure Patroclus is also straight.[[note]]Granted this actually was the case in earliest versions of the story, with even the ''Iliad'' just saying they were kinsmen. Them being lovers is NewerThanTheyThink, and Briseis was also Achilles's lover in mythology too, so he's bisexual at most.[[/note]]
75	** Nigel Terry's performance is quite amusing at how pompously he delivers his statements, particularly "Apollo has desecrated their flesh".
76	** Patroclus' "anguished" rant about why they should stay in the war. Mostly because Creator/GarrettHedlund is the only one in the cast NotEvenBotheringWithTheAccent and the resulting speech sounds ridiculous with his Minnesota accent.
77	** Achilles stands outside Troy and screams "HECTOR!" at the top of his lungs over and over for about five straight minutes, while Hector inside the city gradually says his goodbyes to his father, brother, wife, fellow soldiers, etc, all while the audience can hear Achilles still yelling outside the walls. It's a wonder Achilles hadn't lost his voice by the time Hector finally emerged for their duel.
78	** In the director's cut, there's the Trojans' hilariously over-the-top behavior at the funerals after the first battle. A OneWomanWail plays as several widows are MilkingTheGiantCow.[[note]]Actually TruthInTelevision. Ancient cultures had professional "mourners" who were hired to perform at funerals.[[/note]]
79	** Ajax's BadassBoast to the Trojans comes across as unintentionally funny, as they're all too busy fighting for their lives to hear him, and his self-bestowed [[TheMagnificent epithet]] makes it sound like he's a construction worker.
80	--->'''Ajax:''' I AM AJAX, BREAKER OF STONES! LOOK UPON ME AND [[LargeHam DESPAAAAIR!]]
81	** Agamemnon's war cry after watching Hector kill Menelaus is very hilarious.
82	* NarmCharm:
83	** Achilles vs. Hector is clearly heavily choreographed that it looks more like a dance in places than a fight. But is it still a kickass fight scene? Absolutely.
84	** Achilles calling Agamemnon a "sack of wine" can make viewers giggle due to sounding like an UnusualEuphemism to modern ears, but once one realizes that similar phrasing dates back [[OlderThanTheyThink to the Iliad itself,]] the writers get points for having ShownTheirWork.
85	* NightmareFuel: [[RapePillageAndBurn The Sack of Troy]], especially in the more graphic director's cut.
86	* OlderThanTheyThink:
87	** Andromache and Astyanax avoiding their mythological fates and escaping Troy with Aeneas was previously seen in the 1956 film ''Film/HelenOfTroy.'' The difference here is that Aeneas is DemotedToExtra.
88	** Peleus undergoing DeathByAdaptation was previously seen in the 1962 film "Fury of Achilles".
89	* OneSceneWonder:
90	** Creator/JulieChristie appears in just one scene as Thetis, and yet manages to be very memorable. It helps that Thetis is the only deity to appear in the film, and it's left open whether or not she actually is one.[[note]]Achilles later tells Briseis that he's seen the gods, and Thetis spends her whole scene standing in the ocean - which could be an implication that she's the daughter of Poseidon.[[/note]]
91	** Nestor has very little screen time, with only one big dialogue scene, and yet John Shrapnel is very well remembered. Ditto for Creator/JulianGlover as Triopas.
92	* QuestionableCasting:
93	** Creator/BradPitt as Achilles [[BrokenBase was quite a stretch]] among audiences at the time, but there are many who enjoy him in the role.
94	** Creator/GarrettHedlund as Patroclus is a close second, with his awkward uneven performance not quite cutting it.
95	* RetroactiveRecognition: This was one of Creator/RoseByrne's first big roles. She would become far more recognisable for ''Film/TwentyEightWeeksLater'', ''Film/{{Bridesmaids}}'', ''{{Film/Insidious}}'' and of course playing Moira [=McTaggart=] in the ''Film/XMenFilmSeries''.
96	* TheScrappy: Paris is not well liked by fans due to starting the whole war to begin with, killing Achilles in the end, and [[KarmaHoudini getting away with it all]]. Even Creator/OrlandoBloom didn't think too highly of the character, calling him a cowardly wimp. Granted, this is accurate to legend... not that it stops the movie from trying to salvage his character somehow.
97	* SignatureScene:
98	** Achilles vs. Hector seems to be the one thing ''everyone'' remembers from this movie due to the excellent cinematography, aided by Pitt and Bana [[NoStuntDouble doing it themselves]] and impressive fighting style, making it genuinely tense even if you already know the outcome.
99	** Achilles and his loyal Myrmidons StormingTheBeaches is also particularly noteworthy.
100	** The actual sacking of Troy, especially in the Director's Cut. Along with King Agamemnon's monologue during the sacking: "Let it burn. Let Troy burn. Burn it. For Menalaus. Burn it. Burn Troy. I promised you, brother. I promised you. Burn it. Burn it for Menalaus."
101	* SoOkayItsAverage: Generally felt to be one of the weaker entries during the early 2000s wave of big budget fantasy costume epics, but generally works better when simply taken as a big summer action film than as an adaptation of its source material and is aided by fantastic production values and some terrific action scenes as well as an impressive cast who elevate the material.
102	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Even with the film going for a {{Demythification}} approach, it could have been fun to still include Cassandra in some way and have her come across as a madwoman whose prophecies [[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane are ultimately proved right]].
103	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
104	** Paris's backstory of being prophesied to bring about the fall of Troy at his birth, and being raised as a shepherd for most of his life would have been interesting to work in, and could possibly have made it more understandable why he makes such stupid decisions if he hasn't been prepared for a life of royalty.
105	** The extended cut confirms that Andromache had lost seven brothers in the Spartan Wars, but the movie curiously leaves out the detail from mythology that Achilles was responsible for killing each of those brothers. The fact that she lost seven brothers and eventually her husband to Achilles could have provided some interesting material.
106	* TookTheBadFilmSeriously:
107	** As seen above, this film and its qualities are a matter of great debate. What is not, however, even among trained Classicists, is the quality of Creator/PeterOToole in his turn as Priam during his scene in Achilles' tent. That is the original Iliad, with all of Priam's pain and loss, realised.
108	** One could argue that Diane Kruger imbues Helen with a lot of sincere emotion and character layers that one can't help but sympathise with her, even after all the trouble she's caused, and elevates the character far above the MsFanservice she was intended to be.
109	** Saffron Burrows likewise brings plenty of gravitas to the role of Andromache that one could be forgiven for assuming her scenes are straight out of ''Theatre/TheTrojanWomen''.
110	** Creator/EricBana resists the urge to chew scenery with the rest of the cast and gives Hector considerable depth, as a loving brother and husband who is forced into a conflict he wanted no part of by family obligation and wants nothing more than to avoid the horrors of war that he has seen up close and return home. His chemistry with Saffron Burrows makes their relationship far more compelling than one would expect and makes Hector's death at Achilles' hands genuinely sad to witness.
111	* UnintentionallySympathetic: Sure, Menelaus was willing to wage war over losing his wife, which is too far. But his hospitality was exploited, his wife cheated on him[[note]]Although in this case, Helen was only his wife because she was forced into it and couldn't leave the marriage regardless of her unhappiness.[[/note]] and his brother used him for his own selfish ambitions, meaning that he is a victim even [[AdaptationalVillainy in this adaptation]].
112	* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
113	** Achilles was planning to sail home and live a new life with Briseis. Then Patroclus decides to impersonate Achilles and fight as him. Hector killing him sparks Achilles into fighting Hector to the death. Achilles later dies during the fall of Troy. While the wooden horse thing may have happened anyway, Patroclus' actions led to his cousin being killed, and Hector's child being left fatherless. All because of HonorBeforeReason.
114	** The film expects us to empathize with Paris at least to an extent, (he is admittedly a much more mature person by the end of the film instead of the petulant child he was at the start of it) but the whole Trojan War being somewhat his fault (he gave Agamemnon the pretext he needed to launch an invasion), his extremely petty and infantile reasons for doing so (which involve stealing another man’s wife, albeit a trophy wife who bore no love for him, which is especially bad when you consider, as a handsome and charming young prince of Troy, he can presumably have just about any woman he wants), and his DirtyCoward behavior, both in the duel with Menelaus (he makes a big deal about how he’s going to settle it just between the two of them, only to chicken out and ''beg'' his brother to save him when he begins to lose after he explicitly said that he wouldn’t do that, leading to the truce being broken and more bloodshed on both sides) and his treacherous killing of Achilles (shooting him with an arrow whilst his back is turned and he's standing literally ''right next to Paris's own cousin'') in revenge for his killing of Hector (which you can of course easily argue is just as much Paris's fault, perhaps even ''more'' so), plus the fact that [[SparedByTheAdaptation he apparently gets to survive]] [[KarmaHoudini completely unscathed despite all the ruined lives he is partially responsible for by the end of the film]], make him '''very''' hard to sympathize with.
115	* TheWoobie:
116	** Andromache who must watch as her husband is killed and their baby left fatherless. Things don't end well for her in the original mythology either.
117	** Despite the mess she causes, Helen is still fully aware of everyone she's condemned to death. She even tries to give herself up to the Greeks, despite knowing it will do nothing, all because of her guilt. What's more is that she was trapped in an unhappy marriage since her teenage years. Paris was the one thing that brought her happiness, and because of it a war got started.

Context YMMV / Troy