Line #13 YMMV/Torchwood


1	''For ''[[Series/TorchwoodChildrenOfEarth Children of Earth]]'' [=YMMVs=], see [[YMMV/TorchwoodChildrenOfEarth here]].''\
2	''For ''[[Series/TorchwoodMiracleDay Miracle Day]]'' [=YMMVs=], see [[YMMV/TorchwoodMiracleDay here]].''\
3	''For ''[[Radio/TorchwoodTheLostFiles The Lost Files]]'' [=YMMVs=], see [[YMMV/TorchwoodTheLostFiles here]].''
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5	* {{Adorkable}}: Ianto may [[Recap/TorchwoodS1E1EverythingChanges look good in a suit]], but he also looks adorable and initially very out of his depth striding around the countryside in a raincoat and jeans. If [[Recap/TorchwoodS1E4Cyberwoman Cyberwoman]] established that Ianto was actually a character of some weight in the show, "Countrycide" establishes him as a character we actually ''like.''
6	* AlasPoorScrappy: [[spoiler:Owen, twice. His first death got him RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap.]]
7	* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
8	** Ianto Jones. Meek tea-boy, or a secretive BadassNormal who conned the con man? Ianto [[WhatCouldHaveBeen was originally intended as a much darker character;]] how much of this lingers on?
9	** Captain Jack can also be seen from an AntiHero to a borderline monster.
10	** The entire team. A group of highly skilled specialists defending the Earth from aliens or a bunch of selfish twits who are the very cause of the dangers they're supposed to be protecting humanity from.
11	* AntiClimaxBoss: Abaddon goes down pretty easy, considering that he's supposed to be a PhysicalGod.
12	* BaseBreakingCharacter: Fans are divided on whether Gwen is TheScrappy or a decent, well-liked character:
13	** The usual motive is for DieForOurShip reasons, due to her mutual UST with Jack interfering with the [[DieForOurShip beloved]] [[OfficialCouple Jack/Ianto]] relationship.
14	** She is also EasilyForgiven for her misgivings. While some can't stand it, some others argue that pretty much the whole team is EasilyForgiven: Tosh brought an evil alien into the Hub itself, Owen [[spoiler: killed Jack before knowing he couldn't die]], Ianto had his [[spoiler: killer cyberwoman girlfriend in the basement]], and Gwen set loose a killer alien on her first day by trying to show off.
15	** The whole thing with Rhys at the end of Series 1, when she selfishly drugs her boyfriend to erase his memory of her cheating on him for the sake of her own catharsis while attempting to dodge any real consequences for it, is a sticking point to those who dislike Gwen, while there are some that see it as an understandable mistake.
16	* BrokenBase: As seen in the above trope, some fans ran into a few problems with this over Gwen in the first two seasons. What really dug a divide between previously calm fans, however, were the events of [[spoiler: ''Children of Earth'''s Day Four and Day Five]]. Be careful about any criticisms OR compliments you have about [[spoiler:Ianto's death or how it was handled]]. And what Jack did on Day Five [[spoiler:[[WouldHurtAChild to Steven]]]] is a ''huge'' hot button issue.
17	* CompleteMonster: Now has [[Monster/{{Whoniverse}} its own page]].
18	* ContestedSequel: ''Miracle Day'' has split the audience right down the middle. Complaints include it feels detached from the ''DW'' universe, it is an American-British production versus purely British and has a lot of guest star plugging as a result, and it just wasn't up to par with the rest of ''Torchwood''. Praises include the premise of the series (i.e. how the world reacts to the removal of death), good character development, and an interesting SequelHook being set into place... although it is still LeftHanging for the time being.
19	* DieForOurShip:
20	** Gwen is perceived as getting in the way of Jack/Ianto, despite the fact that she married someone else.
21	** Others view Ianto and, to a lesser extent, Rhys as getting in the way of Gwen/Jack.
22	* DracoInLeatherPants:
23	** John Hart who manipulates everyone for his own gain, brings Jack's brother Gray to have his revenge, and sets off a chain of events that kills Owen and Tosh. Yet the fandom adores him and often claims his arguable love for Jack as a redeeming quality.
24	** Old-school Torchwood collectively. Practically every TV episode or ''Doctor Who'' Expanded Universe work that discusses Torchwood London (which fell in the ''Doctor Who'' two-parter [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E12ArmyOfGhosts "Army of Ghosts"]]/[[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E13Doomsday "Doomsday"]]), and Torchwood Cardiff before Jack became the man in charge and cut ties with London, makes it clear that they were outright evil, being dedicated to robbing and murdering innocent aliens in order to get weapons in the service of extreme imperialistic and racist British nationalism. By contrast, fanfic and commentary treats them like, at worst, ruthless people doing what they had to do to save humanity, and more often just a fun-loving hero team. Just because it's implied that some of them might have been LGBT at a time when British society as a whole was violently homophobic.
25	* EnsembleDarkhorse:
26	** [[EvilFormerFriend Suzie Costello]] and [[LoveableRogue Captain John Hart]] are both incredibly popular antagonists despite each of them only appearing in two episodes, Suzie's both [[StarterVillain at the beginning of Season 1]] and John Hart's [[TheDragon both at the end of Season 2]].
27	** PC (later Sergeant) Andy Davidson is well-liked for his cheery, optimistic, down-to-earth demeanour and for being one of the few genuinely likeable characters in the show.
28	* FauxSymbolism: "[[Recap/TorchwoodS1E13EndOfDays End of Days]]" has this in spades. Abaddon[[note]]A.K.A. TheDevil[[/note]] is unleashed by Owen, Gwen, Ianto and Tosh opening the rift, going against Jack’s explicit orders not to. Jack ends up performing a HeroicSacrifice to stop Abaddon, even dying in a CrucifiedHeroShot. He remains dead for several days, then rises and immediately forgives those who betrayed him.
29	* GeniusBonus: In "[[Recap/TorchwoodS1E5SmallWorlds Small Worlds]]", the faeries quote W.B. Yeats' poem ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stolen_Child The Stolen Child]]'' in their entreaties to get [[spoiler: Jasmine]] to go with them, [[spoiler: as well as at the end of the episode.]]
30	-->''Come away, O human child!''
31	-->''To the waters and the wild''
32	-->''With a faery, hand in hand.''
33	-->''For the world's more full of weeping than you can understand.''
34	* GrowingTheBeard: Many people say this of the second season, compared to the first. Whether or not this made it great, good, or simply less painful to watch [[BrokenBase depends on who you ask.]] The tone certainly became much more consistent and less {{Wangst}}y, and the main characters more competent...and then [[spoiler:half the cast was killed off one by one.]]
35	* HarsherInHindsight: Ianto's offhand comment that his dad was a master tailor in "[[{{Recap/TorchwoodS2E9SomethingBorrowed}} Something Borrowed]]" leaves a different taste in your mouth after ''Children of Earth''.
36	* HilariousInHindsight: Creator/TheBBC wouldn't allow the Doctor to appear in the series because it was geared towards adults. Flashforward a decade and the Doctor appears in the first episode of ''Series/Class2016'', which had just as much, if not more, adult content.
37	* IronWoobie:
38	** Ianto Jones, who's been through just about everything. One of only 27 employees of Torchwood One [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E13Doomsday to survive Canary Wharf]], he saw his girlfriend turned into a killer cyborg that eventually had to be shot in front of him, he was half beaten to death by cannibals, and [[MindRape mind raped]] by an alien into thinking he's a murderer. And he does most of it with the wry efficiency of someone who was effectively hired to clean up after the team.
39	** Jack is probably the biggest Iron Woobie of the series. Dear god, he's been buried alive, had all the life sucked out of him, was buried in concrete, and in ''Series/TorchwoodMiracleDay'' was murdered over and over again in a butcher shop. He's also died over two thousand times and spent a year being tortured to death over and over. Oh, and he was also [[spoiler: forced to kill his own grandson in order to save the rest of Earth's children the day after his boyfriend died.]] How Jack isn't a babbling mess by now is kind of a mystery.
40	** Then there's Tosh. She was forced to [[spoiler: commit treason because her mother was being held hostage. Then, instead of getting rescued, UNIT sentences her to isolation]] until Jack shows up and recruits her for Torchwood. The man she has a crush on is a jerk who won't give her the time of day, but at least she has regular contact with him. Another love interest was a soldier suffering from PSTD who had to go back to a time that didn't understand the disorder. Then there was her other love interest Mary who was revealed to [[spoiler: be an alien criminal who was using her the entire time]]. When Tosh finally does tell Owen she loves him, [[spoiler:it's in a recording she made in the event of her death, and he's not alive to hear it either]]. That poor woman never got a break.
41	* JerkassWoobie:
42	** Owen spends the first half of season one being pure Jerkass, with the woobie elements coming in later.
43	*** Though the Woobie elements have been hinted at since "[[{{Recap/TorchwoodS1E3GhostMachine}} Ghost Machine]]", where Owen is deeply affected by witnessing a young woman's brutal rape and murder from years ago. The machine ''did'' cause him to feel her emotions, but that doesn't change that Owen was deeply affected to the point of nearly killing her (now old and mentally unsound) murderer - yet when the old man was dying, Owen's instincts as a doctor kick in and he tries to unsuccessfully save his life.
44	*** As revealed in [[Recap/TorchwoodS2E12Fragments "Fragments"]], Owen had a fiancée, a fellow doctor named Katie, and they were very much in love, but she was infested by an alien brain parasite that disguised itself as a tumor and gave her ''very'' early-onset Alzheimer's symptoms. When she was operated on, it released a gas that killed her and everyone else in the room. That's how Owen and Jack met.
45	** Gray is either this or a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, given that the reason he's criminally insane and psychotic is because he was kidnapped and tortured by "the worst possible creatures you can imagine" as a child after his beloved older brother let go of his hand. This doesn't stop him from crossing the MoralEventHorizon later, though, and even John Hart tells Jack that the chances of redeeming him after what he's seen and done are slim to none.
46	* {{Moe}}: Tosh is a cute and shy dork who has [[AllLoveIsUnrequited unrequited love]] for her coworker Owen, who is unfortunately both a {{Jerkass}} toward her and also oblivious to her feelings [[SleepsWithEveryoneButYou while having interest in nearly everyone else.]] Between that, dealing with IntelligenceEqualsIsolation, and [[spoiler:her tragic death]] in Season 2, she is widely considered one of the show’s biggest {{Woobie}}s and a character that most fans like to shower with love and sympathy. The HotLibrarian look that she sports helps a lot too.
47	* MemeticMutation:
48	** "Bloody Torchwood!" [[note]] The reaction of an elderly lady with ''the'' thickest Welsh accent imaginable to Torchwood's antics in ''[[Recap/TorchwoodS2E1KissKissBangBang Kiss Kiss Bang Bang]]'' [[/note]]
49	* MoralEventHorizon: Gray burying Jack alive in a constant cycle of suffocation and revival for almost 2000 years. He was planning on eternity. Even John [[EvenEvilHasStandards protests when he finds out]].
50	* {{Narm}}:
51	** The first series tried to take advantage of its post-Watershed time slot by making some of its episodes as violent and nihilistic as possible, but ironically that just made it seem as juvenile as a morbid, edgy teenager. That's how we ended up with Creator/OwenTeale whispering he eats people because it makes him happy. Fortunately, the second season struck a much better balance at being mature without so much mindless crass vulgarity.
52	** "Cyberwoman" focuses on a woman who has been partially converted into a cyberman, having been rescued halfway through the process. Sadly, this is represented by her wearing what can only be described as "[[WTHCostumingDepartment cyberman-themed bondage gear]]", complete with metal panties and inbuilt high-heels. It's a ''bafflingly'' {{Stripperiffic}} choice in an otherwise bleak and tragic episode, and makes every dramatic scene laughable as she laments her terrible fate and struggles to resist her programming while looking like a comic-con strippergram. Even Creator/RussellTDavies [[https://youtu.be/rh-ggPejTdg?si=hqU8JKICrxUjKg3g&t=468 thought it was an odd decision on the creative team's end]]:
53	-->'''Davies:''' There are a lot of men on the team who are ''absolutely'' determined to make that Cyberwoman costume as sexy as possible. I've got ''no'' idea what they mean, I'm the one sitting there going "couldn't she do with a messy little bikini bottom in case she gets cold in this environment?", so ''apparently,'' it's very very sexy.
54	* NeverLiveItDown: Owen using alien drugs to make a couple have sex with him, essentially ''raping'' them.
55	* ParanoiaFuel: The Night Travellers could be hidden inside film canisters in anyone's basement.
56	* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: The more we learned about Owen, the more likeable he became, especially after [[spoiler:his death - not only did this mean he couldn't be a LoveableSexManiac[=/=]ReallyGetsAround sort anymore (though he'd grown out of it by now), it also enabled him to have more depth as a person in his following episodes, and when he's KilledOffForReal later it's utterly heartwrenching, even if part of this is because Toshiko went at the same time.]]
57	* RonTheDeathEater:
58	** Many fans viewed the extremely negative depiction of UNIT in "[[Recap/TorchwoodS2E12Fragments Fragments]]" as an example of this trope.
59	** Gwen has a tendency to get this treatment in fan works, to the point you could make a drink game out of taking a shot every time a fic's description says "Gwen bashing. Not for Gwen fans".
60	* TheScrappy: Owen, an apparent attempt to create a [[TheCharmer Jack-the-Lad]] type character that failed dismally. In the story world he's supposed to be some kind of [[TheCasanova love god]], but Creator/BurnGorman's performance comes off strangely froglike and charm-free. It doesn't help that when we first see him he's getting women to sleep with him by using a special spray he nicked from Torchwood supplies that made him irresistible (which more than a few fans saw as essentially Owen raping unwilling sexual partners). However, in the second series, the writers acknowledged all of this and took constant digs at him early on. His popularity increased with his character arc through the second season, only for [[spoiler:him to be killed off in a heartbreaking final episode]].
61	* StrangledByTheRedString:
62	** Owen going bananas over Diane after knowing her for all of a week.
63	** The overly romantic light that Jack and his relationship with the real Jack Harkness was painted in might count too, as they only know each other for a couple of hours.
64	** Ianto accused Captain Jack of being a monster after the Captain killed Ianto's Cyberman-girlfriend in defense (long story). However, Ianto goes back to shagging Jack by a few episodes with no significant on-screen development. Mellows somewhat in Season 3 when the two actually have more frequent conversations and develop a more emotional relationship.
65	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: By the end of the first two series of Torchwood, Toshiko suffers from a lack of notable episodes centered around her besides [[LoveInterests a love interest]] for the [[MacGuffin MacGuffin of the week]] or a SatelliteLoveInterest for Owen Harper. Torchwood is a five-man ensemble show with the series focusing the most on Gwen and Jack, with Owen getting CharacterDevelopment through Series 2 and Ianto having some serious moments in [[Series/TorchwoodChildrenOfEarth Children of Earth]]. Even Rhys has more exposure and CharacterDevelopment than Toshiko in the entire run. While Toshiko has had a [[Recap/TorchwoodS2E12Fragments rather depressing backstory]], it doesn't make up for the fact that Toshiko rarely has a chance to stand alone as a character without being used as a love interest or a supporting character to either Jack, Gwen, or post-death Owen.
66	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
67	** Gray hated his brother Jack and went through a hellish life as a slave for savage aliens who abducted him because Jack failed to protect Gray when they were children and said aliens invaded their home, killing their father. They frequently killed and abused humans. Jack has to chloroform and cryofreeze Gray after he goes on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge, killing Owen and Tosh in the process. This makes him a serious villain in the series, and Jack intends to unfreeze him one day and deal with him. Except that the Hub and its cryofrozen patients get blown to kingdom come in "Children of Earth: Day One". That would include Gray. But... we never saw where Gray's cryofreeze capsule was sent after Jack checked it into the morgue, so it's unclear if Gray is dead or alive now.
68	** Creator/JohnBarrowman feels that Jack's story of how he lost three years of his memory in the Time Agency needs to be told after being brought up but never explored in narratives.
69	** Cryptic plot points such as Torchwood 4 being "lost, but we'll find it one day", Jack's missing years and Time Agent past (mentioned above), the mystery of the Weevils and where they come from, and the creepy little girl with the Tarot cards, coupled with the presence of the Time Rift hanging over the city spitting out ancient alien artefacts and Davies's ham-handed attempts to give the Torchwood Institute a rich and interesting history, make ''Torchwood'' seem like it's going to play the long game, setting up interesting long-form plotlines about fighting aliens in Card-- Oh, no, wait, Davies got bored. Let's blow up the Hub and move to America instead!
70	** Suzie's second death ends on an ominous note with Ianto reminding Jack that gloves usually come in pairs. This was most likely meant to imply that Suzie could eventually come back if another character out there stole the glove and planned to use it to revive her. Considering her second appearance depended entirely on a MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning plan, it was reasonable to think she could pull it off again. However, she never came back and then [[KilledOffForReal the lab got destroyed with her frozen body still inside of it]]. Creator/BigFinish seems in the process of explaining these in their ''Torchwood'' ranges and ''The Lives of Captain Jack''.
71	* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Whereas ''Series/DoctorWho'' and ''Series/TheSarahJaneAdventures'' had hopeful and optimistic outlooks on life and the universe, this show offers a darker and more cynical worldview with copious amounts of sleaze, violence, gore and existential angst, populated by deeply flawed and borderline unlikable characters (the main character formerly a campy and fun hero).
72	* UncertainAudience: One of the problems about the first season seems to have been that the writers and directors were all over the shop about whether they were doing a DenserAndWackier HotterAndSexier show full of fanboy RuleOfCool moments and fangirl feels, or a grey rain-soaked ultra-depressing cop show with barely-relevant SF {{MacGuffin}}s. This led to some weird juxtapositions between episodes and even more disturbing results when the two seemed to overlap.
73	* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Gwen has a bad case of this trope in Series 1, when she decides that the only way to cope with all the new and frightening things she's discovering about the universe is to cheat on her boyfriend with the office JerkAss, confess to said boyfriend to assuage her guilt, and drug said boyfriend so he'll have no memory of the confession and she could feel better without facing the consequences. Her boyfriend even calls her a "selfish bitch" to her face for the sheer callousness and selfishness she exhibits while drugging him. Despite this, she's shown as TheWoobie in the scenes after Rhys's reaction.
74	* TheWoobie:
75	** The 'cash cow' from "[[Recap/TorchwoodS2E4Meat Meat]]". Also the main alien from spin-off novel [[NothingIsScarier ''Into the Silence'']]. The latter also counts as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, and the way in which it finds refuge is oddly SugarWiki/{{heart\|warming moments}}[[TearJerker warming]].
76	** Practically all the cast do this at some point.

Context YMMV / Torchwood