Line #32 YMMV/TheLegendOfTheTitanic


1	!!Both films:
2	* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The very idea of a film where the ''Titanic'' disaster is not only treated as a "legend", but a ''misunderstanding where no one died'' would turn off pretty much anyone, especially those who were personally affected by it in some way.
3	* BileFascination: Many people watch one or both of the movies due to their bad reputations.
4	* HilariousInHindsight: There's an old [[Series/SaturdayNightLive Saturday TV Funhouse]] short styling itself as a trailer for a fictional Disney musical about the Titanic called "Titey". After all, how ridiculous would it be if there was actually a Disney-esque musical animated film about the Titanic, let alone ''two'' of them from [[WesternAnimation/TitanicTheLegendGoesOn completely unrelated studios]].
5	* QuirkyWork: In the first movie, you have evil shark gangs and magic moonbeams. The sequel takes this up to eleven with a scene where the talking dog is riding in a seahorse-driven chariot and shooting a magical flintlock pistol at some evil sharks.
6	* TheScrappy: Don Juan's not particularly liked given his strange infatuation with Elizabeth despite only speaking to her once. In the sequel, he's constantly rude to his companions whenever they're rightfully intimidated by their circumstances and constantly shills the morally dubious Atlantians.
7	* SoBadItsGood: Many viewers enjoy these movies for how badly ridiculous and nonsensical they are.
8	* UnfortunateCharacterDesign: The Sharks and dolphins have a fin placed in their crotch area. Some sharks do have fins in roughly that area, so there's at least some justification, but dolphins very firmly do ''not'' have such a feature.
9	* UnintentionallySympathetic:
10	** The officer in the first film tells Don Juan's friends that Smiley must be kept on a leash. After Don Juan and his comrades board the ship, Smiley goes back to pee on the officer's leg. One cannot help but feel more sympathy for the officer than Smiley since the former was just trying to do his job.
11	** The BigBad rat in the sequel [[VillainHasAPoint makes the obvious point that the King of Atlantis is not someone to be trusted,]] and is only trying to escape because he was forced into the situation in the first place. By the end, he and his minions lose their minds and are ultimately reduced to a CassandraTruth type of person.
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14	!!First film:
15	* AlternateCharacterInterpretation:
16	** Many viewers believe that the story old Connors told was either completely made up to entertain his grandchildren and/or to spare them from the harsh reality, or completely deluded himself about what actually happened to the ''Titanic'' due to his trauma. [[TakeAThirdOption Or he's simply senile]].
17	** This [[https://www.deviantart.com/wdghk/journal/The-Legend-of-the-Titanic-Review-Part-I-855175575 review]] offers quite a few:
18	*** Top Connors and Ronnie are romantically interested in [[HoYay each other]], [[DeliberateValuesDissonance but due to the norms of the time]], are confused about it and/or don’t fully realize it, and Connors is projecting his feelings for Ronnie onto the latter’s sister Stella.
19	*** Despite showing [[LoveAtFirstSight immediate]] [[PervertedSniffing interest]] in her and being a ''prince'', Don Juan never personally approaches Elizabeth (we are never given any indication that he knows about the latter’s engagement to Maltravers) leading to Smiley having to do the job for him. So does Don Juan just have very poor self-confidence?
20	*** On that same note, given how quickly Elizabeth’s father changes his tune about his daughter’s happiness suddenly mattering more to him than upholding her social status, his change of heart makes a lot more sense when you take into account that Don Juan is a prince. Marrying his daughter to European royalty trumps anything [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Maltravers]] has to offer.
21	* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The closing credits song, "Ocean Dreams" (or "Ocean of Dreams") sung by Cynthia Z.
22	* DesignatedVillain:
23	** Maltravers' manservant Geoffreys is a total MinionWithAnFInEvil, who even feels immense guilt just for ''spying'' on Elizabeth and Don Juan, and it's shown that he's mainly serving Maltravers out of fear of retribution, as the [[BadBoss latter]] makes it abundantly clear that he'll [[YouHaveFailedMe feed Geoffreys to the sharks should he fail him]], and yet Geoffreys is never given a chance to perform an HeelFaceTurn and suffers the same fate as his boss and Rachel at the end. Though he finally does get redemption at the end of ''Fantasy Island''.
24	** Taken to the extreme with Rachel and her sister's two cats. Unlike all the other animals, they are entirely [[FurryConfusion non-anthropomorphic]], and they spend all of their screentime either in the women’s arms or being carried around in pet carriers, [[AnimalJingoism never once do they cross paths with or menace the mice or cause trouble for Smiley and the other dogs]]. And yet they somehow still deserve to get lost (and presumably die) in the polar waters with the human villains, just because of CatsAreMean. Connors does have a throwaway line where he tells Ronnie that they are "snotty rich cats who kill for fun". The thing is, [[ShowDontTell we never see them kill anything]], let alone for fun, and neither does Connors. So it just comes off like he's [[FantasticRacism profiling them]].
25	** The elderly officer who tells Don Juan that he needs to keep his dog on a leash. Mind you, the man was just doing his job and spoke to Juan in a polite manner, and yet the latter just snubs him and lets his entourage gang up on the man and intimidate him into submission with threats of violence. And then, Smiley comes back to urinate on the man's leg, just because he thinks it's funny.
26	* HoYay: Connors and Ronnie are quite touchy-feely throughout the film. Makes more sense than when Connors ended up with Stella, who he only shared a few lines with.
27	* MemeticMolester: Don Juan gets this treatment in some circles, mostly due to him sniffing Elizabeth's glove.
28	* MoralEventHorizon: Maltravers crosses it when he arranges for the Titanic to be sunk.
29	* {{Narm}}:
30	** The whole romance between Elizabeth and Don Juan, given that it's founded on pretty much nothing other than Don Juan [[PervertedSniffing sniffing]] the former's glove. They don't exchange a single line before deciding that they are meant for each other. It’s like the filmmakers were trying to one-up the LoveAtFirstSight trope from vintage Disney films.
31	** One mouse accuses the others of FantasticRacism when they mock him for liking a human woman:
32	---> "There's one thing I'm not, and that's a racist."
33	** Don Juan's apparent shyness about approaching Elizabeth personally, despite the fact that he’s a ''prince'', making it look like he has very poor confidence.
34	** Ice constantly using gratuitous [[JiveTurkey gangster slang]] while talking to Geoffreys.
35	** Old Top Connors' voice. He sounds like a bad impression of [[WesternAnimation/ChipNDaleRescueRangers Professor Nimnul]]. The same applies to Geoffreys' SimpletonVoice.
36	** [[{{Kaiju}} Tentacles']] abrupt introduction during the third act of the film is quite silly.
37	** When the Carpathia shows up to rescue everyone, the film tries to have a serious moment where Connors sheds a tear and reminds Ronnie of the heroes who gave their lives to make sure everyone else survived. But it rings hollow given that the only ones who died in the movie were Camembert the mouse and Tentacles the octopus. Everyone else, ''including the captain'', survived. [[spoiler:And then it turns out that Camembert and Tentacles survived too.]] It's hard to take Camembert's death seriously given it happens due to having electric wires tied to his mustache.
38	* NightmareFuel: The absolutely pointless scene where Geoffreys imagines what his boss will do to him if he doesn't follow orders, ''[[EatenAlive feed him to Ice]]''. While it may not be gory, the ImagineSpot is gratuitous and considering Geoffreys doesn't undergo any redemption here, the scene only seems to serve the purpose of scarring whatever poor kids have parents stupid enough to let them watch this.
39	* {{Padding}}:
40	** At one point, the movie cuts to an empty hallway, then the camera pans to another empty hallway (which is just the first hallway flipped horizontally) for no reason, and then pans back to the first hallway to show some characters walking along it.
41	** The subplot about the whales, which takes up a massive portion of the plot.
42	** A whole scene is dedicated to a boy handing out newspapers about the Titanic's successful launch and the upcoming engagement of Elizabeth and Maltravers. A man asks for a copy. The boy gives it to him. We then get to watch the man silently reading the newspaper before it switches back to the actual plot. The story starts with everyone boarding the ship safely and Elizabeth arguing with her father about Maltravers, so the newspaper scene isn't conveying anything that the audience doesn't already know.
43	* {{Squick}}:
44	** Don Juan grabbing Elizabeth's glove from the air and then ''sniffing'' it.
45	** Smiley urinating on the first officer's leg before boarding.
46	* StrangledByTheRedString: Both the romances in the film are pretty rushed.
47	** Don Juan and Elizabeth get together after he sniffs her glove. That's their entire interaction before they decide they're meant to be.
48	** Connors and Stella also only share one or two scenes of any meaningful interaction yet still end up getting hitched as well.
49	* TearJerker: It's depressing to see Captain Smith and the other passengers safely in New York, smiling and happy, when you know what happened to them in real life.
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52	!!Second film:
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54	* AngstWhatAngst: Our heroes seem to care very little about the fact that they're stuck in Atlantis forever, even though on the surface Don Juan has his Romani friends, Elizabeth has her father, Connors has a wife, and Ronnie has a sister and family.
55	* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Broomali's scene. A girl doll appears, reveals itself to be a Scot who's been cursed to look that way, though the curse in question is really just having a wig and makeup put on him. He then asks for the chance to remove his curse, removed his wig, kills an enemy, is made general, and never appears again.
56	* DesignatedHero:
57	** Taken to the extreme with Re. He is depicted as the BigGood. However, he looks and acts like a BigBad.
58	** Don Juan acts bossy and condescending to the other protagonists whenever they show any doubt or fear and is a total YesMan in favor of everything the Atlanteans force on them.
59	* EsotericHappyEnding: The film has Elizabeth, Don Juan, Connors, Ronnie, and the dog happily living on a desert island despite the fact that they were given immortality without their consent and will never be able to see their friends and relatives again.
60	* FanonDiscontinuity: Many choose to ignore this film so they can accept the implication from the grandmother mouse that the first film was just a story made up by the grandfather mouse.
61	* FridgeHorror:
62	** Where did Razor-Teeth get that captain's uniform he wears?
63	** The film unintentionally makes Atlantis a terrible place to live. The fact that you're never allowed to leave and forced to drink an elixir that gives you eternal life. Your only way of contact of the outside world was a magic mirror that would allow you [[WhoWantsToLiveForever to see your loved ones grow old and die.]]
64	** It's mentioned that screwdrivers were banned from Atlantis. Later a sentient one shows up out of nowhere. As Doug Walker noted, if that screwdriver was alive, does that mean an entire community was banned from the city?
65	* HarsherInHindsight:
66	** "This liquid looks pretty! Let's drink it." The liquid in question is colored green. In these days, one of the more well-known drug detectors will turn the drink green when it discovers a date rape drug.
67	** In the beginning of the film, Elizabeth, Don Juan, Smiley and the mice venture into the ocean on a submarine to see the remains of the Titanic which ends up being destroyed by a shark and they nearly die at the bottom of the ocean because of it. In 2023, 5 men ventured to the bottom of the ocean in a submarine to see the Titanic, and ended up dying when the submarine imploded.
68	* {{Narm}}:
69	** Oddy's attempt at a threat.
70	--->If something bad happens to my friends, I'll rip every tooth out of that shark and I'll make them into the most beautiful necklace you've ever seen!
71	** Mr. Ice's rap.
72	---> "Yo, yo, yo! Look at my teeth!"
73	** When Connors (the non-Brazilian mouse) suspects the sharks are attacking, his worried statement about it is hard to take seriously due to the actor sounding far too happy and the animation showing the character smiling. Try reading the below statement in a happy voice.
74	---> "There's something definitely wrong here. And we're in trouble. Trust me! It's really big!"
75	** Don Juan's line "[[CaptainObvious All we have to do is win]]".
76	* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler:The scene at the end, when the escaped rats are all seen in an insane asylum and the BigBad rat, who's the only sane one (and who did nothing wrong) is condemned to stay there. Especially the nurse giggling madly while the doctor talks about how there's no hope of them recovering and makes a horrifying face]]. [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality The protagonists all laugh when they see this.]]
77	* OneSceneWonder: Broomali only has one effective scene where he rants about his situation and blows up an enemy ship. However, his character concept is so goddamn insane, nonsensical and out of nowhere that it is a massive endeavor to just forget he exists.
78	* RootingForTheEmpire: Just about everyone who's seen this movie sympathizes with the rats because they want to get out of Atlantis and kill [[TheScrappy Pingo]]. It should be noted that they ''do'' want to TakeOverTheWorld, however.
79	* TheScrappy: Pingo has this reputation for being both quite creepy and annoying, as well has having a bizarre musical number.
80	* {{Sequelitis}}: While its predecessor was already one of, if not the most reviled adaptations of the ''Titanic'' sinking, this movie is largely considered to be even worse, owing to a significant visual downgrade, characters that are very gullible, and a plot that manages to be both unsettling and flat-out insane.
81	* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: The melody of the song that Pingo sings in Atlantis is vaguely similar to the melody of Northern Irish band Divine Comedy's cover of Noel Coward's "Marvelous Party".
82	* TakeThatScrappy: The red dolphin seems to have been aware of how annoying Pingo was, as she points out to the queen that Pingo will become even more annoying if he keeps on getting spoiled.
83	--> "Your highness, if you carry on encouraging him like this, Pingo will become so vain he'll end up being totally unbearable!"
84	* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
85	** The King of Atlantis is intended to be a good guy, yet he does not allow Elizabeth, Don Juan, or the others to return to the surface, makes them immortal without their consent, and forces them to live in Atlantis forever.
86	** The way Pingo tells our heroes that they can't go back home. Rather than using any kind of bedside manner, he performs a creepy song and dance routine before happily blurting it out. Don Juan claims the delivery was actually a good thing, but Smiles' and especially Elizabeth's reactions clearly contradict this.

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