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4	* AmericansHateTingle: Emil gets a lot of criticism from the western fandom for being whiny, feminine, and spineless. In the 2009 Tales Character Poll (an annual survey of ''VideoGame/TalesSeries'' fans in Japan), Emil came 10th out of ''every single VideoGame/TalesSeries character'', was ranked 12th in the 2010 poll, and 11th in the 2013 poll. And this is a series that has a large cast in each of their respective games alone.
5	* {{Anvilicious}}: The constant usage of the infamous phrase, "Courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality." So much so that this has actually become a joke in the fandom, at least when it's combined with another of Emil's statements. However, the use of it in the [[spoiler:not-so-final battle]] is actually pretty good, because Emil is trying to use it to make [[spoiler:Richter]] stop fighting him.
6	* AntiClimaxBoss: The final boss. Despite the SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic and the sheer amount of damage he can do in one combo, the fact is that the game's difficulty can't really keep up with just how broken Emil and Marta are.
7	** Special mention to the battles directly before and after the "final boss" - [[spoiler:Aqua's monster form]], while having plenty of HP, is basically just a punching bag with little means of actually harming the player. [[spoiler:Ratatosk]] himself only has [[spoiler:the same]] base artes [[spoiler:that you do]] to use against you, and has one of the lowest HP of any boss ingame.
8	*** Although there is a bit of FridgeBrilliance in there given that it is [[spoiler: literally a BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind, with Emil fighting himself.]]
9	* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The remixes of tracks from ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia'' mostly range from passable to "Jesus hell, was this composed on a Casio keyboard!?" The more somber version of [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0PP1VQuziQ&list=PL832097BBAE439743&index=57&feature=plpp_video Far From Our World]], though, could actually be considered ''better'' than the original.
10	** Also worth mentioning is [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZcZnrPGFrY this somber and mysterious version of the Derris Kharlan theme]] from ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia Symphonia]]''.
11	* BaseBreakingCharacter: Marta. Some see her as a supportive pillar that provides Emil with some much needed self-esteem, others see her as a clingy jealous girl that constantly bothers Emil. Still more people say she started as the latter but [[CharacterDevelopment grew into the former]].
12	* CaptainObviousReveal: [[spoiler:Lloyd didn't really become a villain. Everybody who played the first game, even for fifteen minutes, knows that there was absolutely no way in hell that Lloyd Irving would ever become a villain.]]
13	* ContestedSequel:
14	** Opinions are heavily split over the sequel. Some feel it's a dumbed-down waste of time, others think it's a perfectly fun sequel.
15	** Most of the criticisms of the game come from problems arising from most of the effort at the time focusing on ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia''. You only get Emil, Marta, and whatever monsters you can recruit for most of the game, and other characters you acquire can't gain levels, and the traditional free-roam overworld of the series is removed. Plus the soundtrack, which aside from a few SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic bits, is largely synthesized remixes of Symphonia's. [[spoiler: One other problem someone can have is that the game has ''quite a few'' {{Hopeless Boss Fight}}s, having one at the start with Lloyd (which the player will likely lose in a matter seconds), three with Richter (though the latter two can be won, particularly if you've over-leveled/gotten good equipment), plus the fight with Brute is no picnic even if it isn't hopeless. Even worse is that after the '''actual''' Final Boss, you have two extra fights (the first you're ''supposed'' to lose, and the one after affects nothing but one scene).]]
16	** Some critics despise the game for the trivial fact that the English voice acting was changed. This complaint is often the most vocal of all complaints and many hate the voice direction for the new characters.
17	* DemonicSpiders: End-game Vanguard soldiers become this once they start going into Over-Limit, rending them immune to flinching, meaning Unison Attacks are useless against them, and long-range attacks and Mystic Artes are the only way to damage them without retaliation.
18	** Hawk and Magnar are able to use skills to simulate Over-Limit as well, making far tougher than they should be.
19	* DieForOurShip: Shares a page with the rest of the franchise [[DieForOurShip/TalesSeries here]].
20	* EnjoyTheStorySkipTheGame: The general consensus seems to be that the gameplay is a passable ''Tales'' gameplay bogged down by unnecessary {{Mons}} mechanics (especially when the reason most people would play a sequel to ''Symphonia'' is to play with the original characters in their party, not a bunch of random monsters,) and that said mechanics are too convoluted for their own good. When the previous characters ''do'' appear, however, they're still as entertaining as ever, and certain new characters like Tenebrae play off them very well, and while Emil is a BaseBreakingCharacter, he's also frequently compared to Luke fon Fabre from ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'', who is also purposefully insufferable to start with before undergoing major CharacterDevelopment partway through.
21	* FanNickname: Some have come to referring the altered versions of Emil's artes by names referring to the elements that alter them (like Demon Fang becoming Black Fang when infused by darkness due to the Tenebrae skill, or Burning Havoc, Phoenix Gale, & Ravaging Thunder for Havoc Strike, Phoenix Rush, and Ravaging Tiger when infused with their respective elements through skills).
22	* FridgeBrilliance: Why does Richter have a [[LimitBreak Mystic Arte]] that is the opposite element of his character element? [[spoiler:Because he's trying to be something that he's not. He's actually a kind and caring individual, but he is resorting to cold-hearted evil as part of his BatmanGambit to resurrect his friend]].
23	** One could easily make the same case for [[spoiler: Ratatosk. After all, his strongest Arte is Light Element and his apparent element is Dark.]]
24	** Yuan is the new caretaker of the Giant Kharlan Tree, which contains Martel's spirit. He and Martel were planning to marry before she was StuffedInTheFridge. Where ''else'' would he be?
25	* GeniusBonus:
26	** A little squirrel appears when you start solving a puzzle in the Ginnungagap. Seems random, but this is because in Nordic mythology, Ratatosk, the guardian of the World Tree... is a squirrel. Knowing this can also make mentions of [[DeathbringerTheAdorable "the demon lord Ratatosk"]] a SugarWiki/{{Funny Moment\|s}}, from Richter of all people (since he's the only one who seriously believes that Ratatosk is one).
27	** As well, although the name of the World Tree is never revealed, people with passing knowledge of Nordic mythology will also have no problem guessing that it is [[spoiler:Yggdrasill]]. (Or people who played the prequel and/or sequel games.)
28	* GoddamnBats: Actual bats too. The Were Bats attack very quickly and come in packs, and tend to swarm around your characters and deplete their health before they can retaliate.
29	* HarsherInHindsight: Emil's mancrush on Richter goes from hilarious to creepy once their full backstories are revealed and you consider how it must look from Richter's point of view.
30	* HilariousInHindsight: There's a poster of Lloyd that has a mask that the protagonists consider tacky, and Lloyd's, effectively, a masked vigilante in the background here. That said, his previous actor, Scott Menville, voiced another masked vigilante, [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans2003 Robin]].
31	* HoYay:
32	** Watching Emil and Richter interact for most of the game is a little like watching a high schooler's first awkward romance.
33	** There was a bit of this in Flanoir wen you first meet Decus, with his "You must have a crush on me too!"
34	** How about ''Zelos'' being the first one to figure out [[spoiler: there's a fake Lloyd going around]]... because [[spoiler:''Lloyd doesn't smell like that'']]! Not to mention that even Emil noticed he "worships the ground Lloyd walks on". At least he only pretends to be stupid at times.
35	** Emil also thinks Regal would look dashing in a suit, holding a rose between his teeth.
36	* MagnificentBastard: [[TheManBehindTheMan Richter Abend]], a former scientist seeking to kill the genocidal spirit Ratatosk and to resurrect his friend Aster, who was killed by Ratatosk. To accomplish this, Richter [[DealWithTheDevil makes a pact with the demons of Niflheim]], who give Richter the strength to face Ratatosk and a promise to resurrect Aster on the condition that Richter kills Ratatosk, which will destroy the barrier stopping the demons from invading the mortal world. However, Richter devises a plan to doublecross the demons by sacrificing himself after Ratatosk is dead and Aster is revived. Exploiting the tension between the peoples of Sylvarant and Tethea'alla, Richter uses Solum's core to control Brute, the leader of the Vanguard, turning it into a violent anti-Tethe'allan movement. Richter uses this ethnic violence to cover up his quest to find and kill Ratatosk. Along the way, Richter befriends Emil and teaches him self-confidence. After Emil stops Richter's plans, Richter works together with the newly-reformed Ratatosk to hold back the demons of Niflheim for a thousand years. Also, in the GoldenEnding, he ultimately gets what he wants, by convincing Ratatosk to let Emil, [[spoiler:the one who bears the form of his dead friend]], live out a normal life.
37	* NightmareFuel:
38	** One of the fights the player must lose is interrupted by [[spoiler:Commander Brute]] laughing as the screen goes blank. If the player performs Marta's special attack at just the right moment, he starts laughing contemptuously over her appeal to the god of healing, interrupting the animation with a fade to white.
39	** Emil's origin story. [[spoiler: Identity of one dead kid, body of another dead kid, animated by an ancient spirit bent on genocide]].
40	* RetroactiveRecognition: Those who know [[Creator/JaniceKawaye Janice Kawaya's]] more recent roles - such as [[VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses Lysithea]] - are likely to be surprised hearing her voice in this game, as both [[TheStoic Presea]] and [[SoftSpokenSadist Alice]].
41	* SpiritualLicensee: A teenage boy dressed in blue and black, and his SuperpoweredEvilSide, have adventures, which culminate in the SuperpoweredEvilSide finding out his identity, and involves summoning and commanding monsters. The overall BigBad is a figure from said SuperpoweredEvilSide's past, a recurring antagonist is a white haired youth (well, said youth's SuperpoweredEvilSide in one case) said SuperpoweredEvilSide becomes good through ThePowerOfFriendship, and [[spoiler: the FinalBattle is a duel between the protagonist and his alter ego]]. Is this VideoGame/TalesOfSymphoniaDawnOfTheNewWorld?, or Manga/YuGiOh?
42	* SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing: While some of [[Creator/JohnnyYongBosch Bosch's]] other roles are more famous, his performance of Emil is perhaps one of his best. He starts off as a [[ExtremeDoormat total wimp]] with an ''incredibly'' whiny voice, alternating to a LargeHam when Ratatosk mode is activated, and then over the course of the game starts [[CharacterDevelopment becoming much less obnoxious]] and his method of speaking even changes to fit it. At the end, Bosch even maintains two ''distinct'' methods of speaking for Emil and [[spoiler: the true Ratatosk]], and the latter doesn't even go as LargeHam as he was before. Despite that it was created (and localised) on a budget, Bosch ''really'' [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously performed to a much higher standard than he needed to]].
43	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: The entire original Symphonia party. Not only can they not level up, making them quickly become useless in battle, the story keeps finding one rather contrived excuse after another as to why the entire group can't stay in the party the entire run of the game once met, something that the Tales series is usually pretty good at avoiding. The amount of wasted plot and character development potential as a result is staggering. What's more, this is the only reason why the Mons system is even needed in the game at all.
44	** It gets particularly worse for Sheena in which the game does everything it possibly can to force you to bench her. First, she does not have access to her summon spirits. The cut scenes do show that she can still summon them so it's puzzling why she is unable to perform them in battle. Second, and probably most egregious, you are forced to equip the skill "Unlucky" on her. What's the problem with that? It cuts your earned gald for the battle. While most battles don't reward you with gald anyway, the small amount that does means Sheena should not be in the active party when it happens.
45	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: [[spoiler: The "a shapeshifter did it" explanation of "Lloyd"'s actions in Palmacosta cuts into an interesting plot idea. The Centurion Cores cause insanity, giving us an excellent opportunity to examine a darker side of Lloyd's character and possibly take his character in a new direction. Instead Deceus is revealed to been the one doing it.]]

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