| 1 | * AntiClimaxBoss |
| 2 | ** [[Anime/TheBigO Big Fau]] is probably one of the most pathetic bosses in franchise history, rivaling the [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Evangelion Unit-01]] in ''[[VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsAlpha Super Robot Wars Alpha 3]]'', due to having fairly weak attacks and such a low accuracy stat that players won't need to use "Spirit Commands". The only hard part is destroying the [[Anime/OvermanKingGainer Overdevils]] which can be done easily, so long as players are careful. He's followed by another easy battle with unlimited turns in the scenario to get the SR Point. |
| 3 | ** Despite being a DuelBoss against whom only [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Setsuna F. Seiei and the Exia]] are available, [[spoiler:[[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Alejandro Corner in the Alvaaron]]]] can be made into this in ''Hakai-hen''. It only has around 20,000 {{Hit Point}}s, and if the Exia's weapons have been decently upgraded, Setsuna has his "Ace Bonus" unlocked[[note]]Deal 50% more damage to Gundams and/or units equipped with GN Drives or GN-Tau Drives[[/note]], and players cast his "Soul" Spirit Command[[note]]Deal 2.5 times the damage for the next attack[[/note]], he can easily deal damage in excess of 30,000 with a single strike. |
| 4 | ** In the same spirit as the above, ''Saisei-hen'' gives us [[spoiler:[[Anime/ArmoredTrooperVOTOMS Wiseman]]]] as a boss for the second half of the final ''Anime/ArmoredTrooperVOTOMS'' scenario between him and [[Anime/ArmoredTrooperVOTOMS Chirico Cuvie]]. The anti-climactic part is not one super-unit, but rather a mob of [[Anime/ArmoredTrooperVOTOMS Blood Suckers]] with about 12,000 {{Hit Point}}s each, yet no special features; these Blood Suckers can be finished in one attack. [[spoiler:Of course, this is what Wiseman wants to happen]]. |
| 5 | ** Shikū, the PostFinalBoss in ''Jigoku-hen'' has half the {{Hit Point}}s of [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Granzeboma]]. Justified since the scenario takes place in an epilogue, while the ''actual'' FinalBoss for the story's climax is [[spoiler:the Anti-Spiral King's Granzeboma]]. |
| 6 | * SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic |
| 7 | ** When a rumor that "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-O1X9GDJD4 Back Alley Space Boy]]" wouldn't be the theme to ''Anime/DaiGuard'' was disproved, the Internet went nuts, given it's one of the best instrumentals in ''Hakai-hen''. The same can be said of the arrangement for "HEATS" and "Kanjite Knight". |
| 8 | ** While the {{Leitmotif}} for [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ2 Crowe Broust]] in ''Hakai-hen'', "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQzaLOZwnMI Close Game Life]]", is a little underwhelming, his MidSeasonUpgrade theme "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5aaddvtbgs&feature=related The Unbreakable]]" in ''Saisei-hen'' more than makes up for it. |
| 9 | ** On the villains' side, we have Asakim Dowin and his incredibly catchy "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O_1WNsvGZM Black Stranger]]". Likewise, there's the strangely heroic-sounding "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAl-MxsHFpk Untrue Crystal]]", as well as the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y2dL3LAstk various]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM0y7KpuauQ Ark]]-[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNusv4Wu-cY&feature=related Saber]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcwW_hYlULY&feature=related themes]], [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg plus]] "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpNYYJfHhV0&feature=relmfu The Song of the Homicidal Doll]]". Finally, [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ2 Uther Insaraum]] and "The King's Love is for His People" [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCUeVmboXtk&feature=relmfu may be one of the best]] boss {{Leitmotif}}s in [=SRW=] to date. |
| 10 | ** For participants of ''Saisei-hen'', "[[Anime/ShinMazinger The]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdN1wx6UzxE Guardian]]", "[[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 TRANS-AM]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMEGOLNQp50 RAISER]]", "[[Anime/CodeGeass O]][[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kqxo0kqlOg 2]]" and others soon became fan favourites. |
| 11 | ** Special mention goes to Scenario 29 of ''Saisei-hen'', where a background music named "The Advance of Warhorses" pops up at the beginning, which makes Chirico go nuts. This song is remade from the original ''Red Shoulder March'' of ''Armored Trooper VOTOMS'', since Banpresto couldn't purchase the song's license, but this version is very well-conceived. [[LongSongShortScene Too bad players only get to hear it in a few scenarios or so]], nor can they set it as a unit's music. |
| 12 | ** In ''Jigoku-hen'', we have "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhWB7DKwsgM Tomorrow In Sight]]", {{Leitmotif}} for [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ3 Hibiki Kamishiro]], along with his MidSeasonUpgrade {{Leitmotif}} "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PikcahRn4fg The Hope Called Taboo]]". Furthermore, [[spoiler:pre-FaceHeelTurn]] [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ3 Advent]] with "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waPZCnQfjmY The Son of Sun]]" and "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj1zYzV06ig Lost Soldiers]]" for [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ3 Gadlight Meonsam]]. |
| 13 | ** In ''Tengoku-hen'', we have the "[[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ3 Sidereal]]": |
| 14 | *** Gaia Emperor Australis' theme "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yuKhA95KUU The Delusional God of War]]". |
| 15 | *** Barbiel the Needle's theme "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cjq5aOYfEo Sabbath of Resentment]]". |
| 16 | *** Shikuu, who already appeared in ''Jigoku-Hen'' as a PostFinalBoss, has his ominous theme "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFDBs7N8e4A&index=29&list=PLfD5zeGDpUkyZODtoiSFYDflGo_QF5FtM Assemblage Of Corpses]]". |
| 17 | *** Straus' theme is "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjketD1--8s&index=51&list=PLfD5zeGDpUkyZODtoiSFYDflGo_QF5FtM Soaring Golden Ox]]". |
| 18 | ** Hibiki gets another MidSeasonUpgrade in the form of the "Geminion Ray" for ''Tengoku-hen'' [[spoiler:upon reaching the Quarrelling Twin Spheres Third Stage]], which had many players saying he's not "badass enough for it because it's so good": "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQqyWirssA0&list=PLfD5zeGDpUkyZODtoiSFYDflGo_QF5FtM&index=46 The Taikyoku Overaiser]]". |
| 19 | ** The theme of the FinalBoss [[spoiler:Supreme God Z]] for ''Tengoku-hen'' "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1ZEmXc_Ciw&index=54&list=PLfD5zeGDpUkyZODtoiSFYDflGo_QF5FtM The God Who Watches Over The End]]". |
| 20 | ** "Main Theme" for ''Dancougar Nova'' counts as this for those who were afraid they'd be stuck with the rather bad rendition of "Tori no Uta" the ''Z'' trilogy uses. Sadly, since this {{Leitmotif}} is technically meant for use by the Nova Eagle, it does not appear in ''Saisei-hen'' or ''Jigoku-hen'', since the Dancougar is acquired much earlier or is already combined. |
| 21 | ** The return of [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack "Beyond the Time"]] in ''Z3'', after its long absence in the series. Doubly so with its use in one of the best levels in ''Jigoku-Hen'', as listed below. |
| 22 | * [[Awesome/VideoGameLevels Awesome Video Game Levels]] |
| 23 | ** ''Z'' scenario 36: "[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Operation Angel Down]]". Instead of pitting [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Shinn Asuka against Kira Yamato]], it's hero vs. hero for the entire cast. Anime/MazingerZ vs. Manga/GetterRobo? [[Anime/GenesisOfAquarion Aquarion]] vs. [[Anime/{{Gravion}} God Gravion]]? [[Anime/{{Xabungle}} Xabungle and Walker Gallia]] fighting [[Franchise/{{Gundam}} Universal Century Gundams]]? Yes, yes and yes. |
| 24 | ** In ''Saisei-hen'', just about everyone loves [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDFetkztTIA Scenario 29]]: the battle occurs in the middle of a city on fire and numerous events occur in rapid succession - [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Ali Al-Saachez and Graham Aker]] can be fought, [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Lucrezia Noin]] joins ZEXIS, [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Trowa Barton]] regains his memory and returns to the party, there's a tiny window to play around with the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Gundam Epyon]] and [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Heero Yuy]] reappears and trades [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Zechs Marquise]] for the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Wing Gundam Zero]], the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 00 Gundam]] gets the [[MechaExpansionPack 0 Raiser]], [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Allelujah Haptism and Marie Parfacy]] reunite with new attacks for their units AND Allelujah and [[SplitPersonality Hallelujah]] fuse personalities to become a true SuperSoldier. |
| 25 | ** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbvmfDsxP9Q Scenario 24 space route]] in ''Saisei-hen'' has garnered praise from fans for having wave after wave of {{Mooks}} attacking. [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Chang Wufei and Duo Maxwell]] also return with the MidSeasonUpgrade to their Gundams, and [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Tieria Erde]] gets a new attack for the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Seravee Gundam]]. |
| 26 | ** Scenario 57 in ''Jigoku-Hen'', [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack "BEYOND THE TIME"]], for the overall subversion of the ''Axis Shock'' event from the movie, Char Aznable and Full Frontal's characterizations, the revelations and conclusions, and the return of the titular soundtrack in all of its glory. Check ShockingMoments down below for more details. |
| 27 | ** The FinalBattle of ''Jigoku-hen'': [[TrailersAlwaysSpoil as expected from the trailers]], the eponymous Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann is playable; awesome already, [[spoiler:until EVERYONE in Z-BLUE reaches size "infinity" as per the series to combat the [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Anti-Spiral]]]]. |
| 28 | * BrokenBase: Now with its [[BrokenBase/SuperRobotWars own page]]. |
| 29 | * CharacterRerailment: ''Awakening of the Trailblazer''-era Setsuna's characterization, at least when compared to his {{Flanderization}} trend followed by [[VideoGame/SDGundamGGeneration several of the games]] [[VideoGame/GundamVsSeries he was previously featured in]], as those prefer to default his lines and behavior to those from when fighting the ELS - thus making him sound more hesitant and pacifistic towards ''any'' enemy he encounters. Here, Setsuna's characterization matches his post Season-2 side-stories and Movie appearances much more closely, especially because most of said movie's events take place during ''Tengoku-Hen'', giving Setsuna a whole game and a half worth of screen time and development before that. |
| 30 | * CrossoverShip |
| 31 | ** Shinn and [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Setsuko Ohara]], and through that, Shinn has mellowed enough to [[FixFic fix some of his more objectionable personality problems]] from his home series. It helps they still care for each other when they meet again in ''Saisei-hen'', and things escalate in ''Tengoku-hen'' when [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Lunamaria Hawke]], who is an OfficialCouple with Shinn, directly asks if he actually likes Setsuko. |
| 32 | ** [[Anime/CodeGeass Kallen Kouzuki]] and Chirico: they had much chemistry since ''Hakai-hen'', spent time fighting alongside one another, and even some ShipTease moments (some in front of [[Anime/ArmoredTrooperVOTOMS Fyana]], even). |
| 33 | * DemonicSpiders |
| 34 | ** "[[FanNickname DAMONic Spiders]]", as the case may be: "[[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ2 Dimensional Beasts]]" have high {{Hit Point}}s, barriers, can inflict StatusEffects, good accuracy/evasion rates (and will only go higher due to their "[[CriticalStatusBuff Prevail]]" pilot skill[[note]]The lower the HP, the greater the increase to accuracy/evasion/critical/armor stats[[/note]]) and HP/EN regeneration. As one user on Website/SomethingAwful put it, "It's like someone decided [[Anime/MacrossPlus the Ghost X9]] should be more annoying". |
| 35 | *** DifficultySpike ensues when facing those Dimensional Beasts with MAP weapons in ''Hakai-hen''. In the last scenario, a few carry stats akin to a MiniBoss and their MAP weapons ''[[FriendlyFireproof do not hit allies]]''. Thankfully in ''Saisei-hen'', Bull- and Rhino-type Dimensional Beasts have less {{Hit Point}}s, don't have HP/EN regeneration and barriers...[[ThisIsGonnaSuck that is, until the Artificial-type appear mid-game]], as the weaker ones are even ''stronger'' than the old Rhino-types. |
| 36 | ** ''Saisei-hen'' Scenario 15 introduces the "Axio Burglars", each equipped with a "Jamming Device" which makes allied units two grids around them given accuracy/evasion rate increases by 10%, ''and'' these bonuses stack if they're adjacent to one another. This makes evasive {{Real Robot}}s like [[Anime/OvermanKingGainer King Gainer]] or a [[Anime/ArmoredTrooperVOTOMS Scopedog]] very prone to their strong attacks (their strongest even reduces Will), while it's almost impossible to hit them without using Spirit Commands. [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ2 Marilyn Catto]] in her Axio Burglar (later "Pearl Fang") only makes it worse, since she's always there to lead them and boosts their/her accuracy/evasion rates with her "Command" pilot skill[[note]]Unit projects a command field; allies within the field receive accuracy/evasion bonus rates depending on the distance from the unit[[/note]] ''and'' her unit's own "Jamming Device". |
| 37 | ** One ''Saisei-hen'' scenario pits players against a large number of Blood Suckers. Unlike the ones Chirico faces later (see AntiClimaxBoss), these Blood Suckers are surprisingly accurate and agile, especially if players make the mistake of not taking them down in one shot, allowing their "Prevail" to kick in. The fact the scenario takes place indoors, rendering any unit bigger than a size "M" non-usable, doesn't help. |
| 38 | ** In ''Jigoku-hen'', this honor goes to the [[Anime/TheBigO mass-produced Bigs]]: while most {{Mooks}} in the game can be dealt with a OneHitKill by a strong enough unit, the Bigs easily endure attacks from fully upgraded ones thanks to their large size, enormous armor rating and their pilots' defense stat. They also come in hordes, particularly in their last appearance for a play-through. |
| 39 | ** For ''Tengoku-hen'', the "[[Anime/Gundam00AWakeningOfTheTrailblazer ELS]]" have the same assimilation mechanic as the "[[Anime/FafnerInTheAzureDeadAggressor Festum]]" from ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsUX'', where each successful attack reduces a pilot's Will by 10. Those unlucky enough to have their Will reduced below 80 are automatically destroyed without respect to {{Hit Point}}s. Finally, they have the natural ability to bypass barriers and the "Ignore Size Modifier" pilot skill[[note]]Negate damage penalties when attacking larger units[[/note]]. |
| 40 | ** A few scenarios [[spoiler:before the mandatory "Shinka" event]] in ''Tengoku-hen'' pits players against a number of Angeloi Arcas. These aren't quite the prior {{Mook|s}} units fought from time to time, as they are now piloted by ''level 75'' pilots, with each Angeloi Arca boasting an armor rating of '''3200'''[[note]]For reference, the late [=1700s=] are where armor values for robots at that point usually begin.[[/note]]. Unless offensive-based Spirit Commands are used, destroying one will become difficult, as all the while players are getting smacked by these units' astounding accurate and damaging attacks. |
| 41 | * DifficultySpike: |
| 42 | ** Until Scenario 15 of ''Saisei-hen'' the game's a cakewalk, especially if it's imported a save data from ''Hakai-hen''. However, this stage pits the player against [[spoiler:Marilyn and her Firebug Squad]]. Not only are they powerful, accurate, and mobile, Marilyn has a high level of the "Command" pilot skill[[note]]Pilot emits an aura boosting accuracy/evasion rates to allies; the higher the level, the greater the aura, and the closer to the pilot allies are, the greater the accuracy/evasion rates[[/note]], granting adjacent enemies immense accuracy/evasion boosts. Several other scenarios also qualify, particularly ones where [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Geraud Garce Bantail]] appears. |
| 43 | ** The space route in the first route split of ''Jigoku-hen'' offers players ''Zeta Gundam'' units (who typically are some of the weakest units in franchise history) sans the Zeta, Heero and [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Duo Maxwell]] (using [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Leos]] instead of their Gundams), Hibiki, and Shinn. One scenario in this route pits the party against a bunch of real robots with conspicuously high HP and evasion rates escorting the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamUnicorn Kshatriya]] (who must be defeated in a set number of turns to receive the "SR Point") and [[ThatOneBoss Haman]] with her trademark [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Quebeley]], alongside her having the "Leadership" pilot skill, making the fight against the {{Mooks}} even harder. |
| 44 | * EnsembleDarkhorse |
| 45 | ** [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ2 Shiony Regis]] from ''Hakai-hen'' is a mostly non-combatant villain who's a SmugSnake at times, but she utterly ''dominates'' the ''Second Z'' fanart. |
| 46 | ** The BigBad from ''Z'' is also well liked by fans for being a villainous AscendedFanboy, having an entertaining, insane personality, with liberal use of GratuitousEnglish. |
| 47 | * FanDislikedExplanation |
| 48 | ** One of the reasons for the divide of whether ''Tengoku-hen'' was worthy of a GrandFinale installment like ''Alpha 3'' or not was that many characters [[BackFromTheDead killed in previous installments returned for this game]], most without much explanation and/or HandWaving. Naturally, the latter is seen as lazy, shoddy writing, earning the writers flak for skimping out on {{Crossover}} material. |
| 49 | ** Background information regarding [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Asakim Dowin]] had been rewritten in ''Tengoku-hen'', so much that it has little to no relation to the description seen in the character's profile back in the ''first game'', particularly [[spoiler:the "sins" he mentions throughout the saga]]. The fact that this character's final line of dialogue is [[spoiler:a parallel to the opening lyrics of "Neppu! Shippu! Cybuster!", the {{Leitmotif}} belonging to [[Characters/MasouKishin Masaki Andoh]]]], triggering an abundance of WildMassGuessing and MindScrew for many players, has led them to point towards WriterCopOut for neglecting built-up origins in favor of {{Retcon}}s. |
| 50 | * FanNickname: See [[FanNickname/SuperRobotWars here]] for the entries. |
| 51 | * FanficFuel: What were the missing Z-BLUE members doing in ''Tengoku-hen''? According to [[Anime/OvermanKingGainer Gain Bijou]], who sent a letter to [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Rand Travis]] off-screen, they're busy fighting the Sidereal faction, providing plenty of {{Fanfic}} material. |
| 52 | * FirstInstallmentWins: The first game is widely seen as one of the best games in the entire ''Super Robot Wars'' franchise with very few noteworthy complaints. The sequels are typically seen as good, yet lesser games for a variety of reasons, not least of which is the growing pains from swapping platforms with each numbered entry. |
| 53 | * GoddamnedBats |
| 54 | ** In ''Saisei-hen'', any enemy faction aligned with the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Earth Federation]] will get "[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Mobile Dolls]]" with the "Support Defend" pilot skill[[note]]Unit can provide defensive support to an adjacent ally[[/note]] and most have barriers like "Planet Defensors"[[note]]Nullify damage below 2000[[/note]]. Attacks will constantly be blocked if players haven't been upgrading their units' weapons, not to mention the Dolls hit hard with the "Ignore Size Modifier" pilot skill. |
| 55 | ** During the last scenario resolving the ''Anime/ShinMazinger'' and ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00'' plots, Missile Mechanic Beasts and Gaga, respectively, appear by the numbers. While they aren't particularly hard to destroy, their {{Suicide Attack}}s are quite accurate. In fact, players won't earn any {{Experience Point}}s or credits if they're destroyed this way. |
| 56 | * GoodBadBugs: |
| 57 | ** The first ''Z'' has an audio glitch where certain characters' voice lines play back at incorrect pitches. By far the most notable one occurs when performing a TRI attack with [[Anime/SuperDimensionCenturyOrguss Kei, Maaie, and Lieea]], as Lieea's voice is lowered and slowed down to the extent that it sounds demonic. |
| 58 | ** ''Saisei-hen'' has two that [[GameBreaker trivializes the game]]: the first is available so long as clear data from ''Hakai-hen'' is present, and players choose to start a new game via data linking. Progressing to the screen where it asks if players want to continue, then back-tracking to the title screen causes 500,000 credits to be added to the link data credit total; this can be repeated indefinitely. |
| 59 | *** The second one is a minor, but significant bug: in the ''Second Z'', it's possible to leave space on the sub-order menu before enacting sub-orders for party members who are not sortied out into combat, thus players are allowed to go back and fill those spaces and activate orders for them if they wish to. In ''Hakai-hen'', filled rows are locked out, but in ''Saisei-hen'', it's possible to visit an unfilled row, switch to a filled row (by pressing the L or R buttons while holding down the triangle button), then swap out one pilot for another who hasn't been given orders yet. This means the player is no longer forced to choose who gets sub-orders when the cast becomes too large. |
| 60 | ** In ''Tengoku-hen'', it's possible to use the D-Trader part "Insalaum's Treasure"[[note]]Cast the spirit command "Love" on the user.[[/note]] ''twice'' in one scenario just by having Hibiki in the Genion use the item, then immediately transforming into "[[SuperMode Genion GAI]]" and the item is now usable again. The same result will occur when changing from the Genion GAI to the Geminion Ray. |
| 61 | ** On the bad side of the bugs, if players use the "Try Again" song from [[Anime/{{Macross 7}} Basara Nekki]] on [[Anime/{{Diebuster}} Nono]], then transforming [[Anime/{{Diebuster}} Nono's EVO-4 to Buster Machine No. 7/Diebuster]], the {{Status Buff}}s are removed. |
| 62 | * HeartwarmingInHindsight: If [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Stella]] was obtained, she has a support attack for Shinn where she says she will protect him. [[spoiler:In the film ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDFreedom SEED Freedom]]'', Stella's spirit appears to protect Shinn from the Black Knights. Whether it is in life or death, Stella will always try and protect Shinn where she can]]. |
| 63 | * HilariousInHindsight |
| 64 | ** An image from ''Z'' made the rounds during the game's initial release, showing a man in a black and gold outfit with a full face mask, talking to [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Gilbert Durandal]] and saying "They call that man 'Orange'." [[Anime/CodeGeass Guess what series]] makes its [=SRW=] debut in ''Hakai-hen''? |
| 65 | *** Likewise, ''Famitsu'' magazine once posted a hoax article for a fake entry called "Super Robot Wars U" as an AprilFoolsDay joke. Among the series listed was ''Anime/DaiGuard'': cue the cast listing for ''Hakai-hen''. |
| 66 | ** ''Hakai-hen'' included a "[[Anime/{{Macross7}} Fire Bomber]]" music CD as an equippable part, serving as a ContinuityNod to the fact several ''Anime/MacrossFrontier'' characters (particularly [[Anime/MacrossFrontier Ozma Lee]]) are fans. Players get to see them {{Squee}} in person since ''Anime/{{Macross 7}}'' is in ''Saisei-hen''. |
| 67 | ** The term "Char's Counterattack" has always been a bit of a misnomer in that [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack movie]], since [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam Char Aznable]] and the "[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Neo Zeon]]" are the aggressors. [[spoiler:The spin on this in ''Jigoku-hen'' makes this no longer a case]]. |
| 68 | ** [[http://i.imgur.com/TylcPSK.jpg This]] {{Yonkoma}} from ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsJudgment'' features the ''[[Literature/FullMetalPanic Tuataa De Danaan]]''. Again, this is no longer the case in ''Jigoku-hen'' [[spoiler:as it is converted into a '''flight-capable, space-faring battleship''']]. |
| 69 | ** ''Anime/AquarionEVOL'' made the [[MyFutureSelfAndMe interactions]] between the casts of the [[Anime/GenesisOfAquarion original show]] and ''EVOL'' ironic: [[spoiler:while ''Tengoku-hen'' has [[Anime/GenesisOfAquarion Apollo]] and [[Anime/AquarionEVOL Kagura]] on pretty good terms right from the start, ''Aquarion Love'' had the two hate each other at first smell, which triggered the fight between Apollo in the Solar Aquarion and Kagura in the Aquarion EVOL]]. |
| 70 | ** After ''Saisei-Hen'', the series might have ended up predicting Anime/CodeGeass' future involving [[spoiler: Lelouch's survival]] through their own take on it. The announcement of such might have also fixed a potential plot hole regarding [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 the use of Celestial Being's technology]] in return. |
| 71 | ** The casting choice of Creator/DaisukeHirakawa as the bug-nut crazy, GratuitousEnglish-spewing The Edel Bernal proves to be hilarious. One of the GratuitousEnglish word of choices he used was "World"/"WARUDO". Years later, the voice actor was chosen to voice [[Manga/JojosBizarreAdventureStardustCrusaders Noriaki Kakyoin]], who's infamously killed with an ability known as "The World"/"ZA WARUDO", which makes that particular Engrish by The Edel Bernal even more hilarious. For further hilarity, one of the characters you recruit has [[Creator/TakehitoKoyasu the same voice as the guy who had that murderous ability.]] ([[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Neo Roanoke/Mwu La Fraga]]), so you can 're-create' an inversion of that death by having him deliver the finishing blow against The Edel Bernal. |
| 72 | ** Setsuna's "YOU ARE ALSO GUNDAM" line to Ple-Twelve in Z3 Tengoku-hen now becomes this, as in SD Gundam Battle Alliance, Marida does a CallBack ("I too, was once a Gundam"). |
| 73 | * KeepCirculatingTheTapes: Due to it being split between two games as well as being released only on the PSP, Z2 is ''incredibly'' difficult to get ahold of due to both the fragility of the PSP after considerably use and the uniquely-formatted mini-discs being very finicky after too much use. Even finding music or gameplay of Z2 is a challenge, entirely because both games were on the PSP. |
| 74 | * MemeticBadass |
| 75 | ** Once ''VOTOMS'' got in beginning with ''Hakai-hen'', Chirico began ascending into this with little more than a simple Scopedog. This reaches the point where ''Jigoku-hen'' showed players how [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqAmzPj9bLE Chirico can use the Scopedog]] and beat a PhysicalGod effortlessly. |
| 76 | ** Likewise, ''Tengoku-hen'' with "[[Literature/FullMetalPanic Bonta-kun]]": [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUOI6zz-Yr0 most bosses]] are essentially ineffective against it. |
| 77 | ** See Memetic Mutation below. Anime/{{Godmars}} can kick everyone's ass without even moving. |
| 78 | * MemeticMutation: Now with its own [[Memes/SuperRobotWars page]]. |
| 79 | * MoralEventHorizon: [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ2 Shikuu]] crosses it [[spoiler:when he kills the pregnant [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ2 Annalotta Stohls]], causing the Geminides race to go extinct]]. Mitigated slightly when ''Tengoku-hen'' revealed [[spoiler:[[EvenEvilHasStandards he spared her twin offspring]]]]. |
| 80 | * SugarWiki/MostWonderfulSound |
| 81 | ** The sound the "[[Anime/AfterWarGundamX Twin Satellite Cannon]]" makes when it locks on, right before it fires, is glorious. |
| 82 | ** [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Simon]] and his shout of "[[ThisIsADrill Giga Drill Break]]", [[spoiler:particularly in the ''Jigoku-hen'' finale of the ''Gurren Lagann'' plot while using the titular galaxy-sized HumongousMecha]]. |
| 83 | * {{Narm}}: Take a look at the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Sazabi's "All Range Attack"]] when it uses its [[LaserBlade beam sabers]]. While faithful to a segment of its fight from the movie, it looks like a child throwing a temper tantrum at the robot. |
| 84 | * NeverLiveItDown: Mixed with MemeticMutation - in ''Tengoku-hen'', Sumeragi has a one-off line excusing a bunch of non-returning characters by way of saying "No, let's split our forces to keep the enemy busy". Unfortunately, the {{Mecha}} board of Website/FourChan turned this line of dialogue into one where it essentitally states "Sumeragi gets rid of everybody". |
| 85 | * NightmareFuel |
| 86 | ** The ultimate attack from [[spoiler:[[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ The Edel Bernal]]]]: he creates a rip in the fabric of space-time, briefly showing off a rather ominous looking eye before a massive, rainbow-colored horde of evil...somethings...burst out in a massive stream, with the Chaos Lemures leading them like some demented band leader, and with the horde making a cacophony of creepy impish giggling. They swoop up, grab the hapless victim(s) and carry them into a dimension of pure rainbow insanity. They get swarmed by a mass of blobs, which is then assailed by "giant sperm", then eaten by a much larger one-eyed blob, colliding with MORE one-eyed blobs. The camera zooms out, until suddenly the mass is blasted by at least [[BeamSpam a dozen frickin' laser beams]], until Chaos Lemures looms large and [[spoiler:the real Edel]] makes a rather wiggly SuperMovePortraitAttack, complete with a disturbing expression of pure elation. With a word of "Bye-Bye", he ends the madness by ramming a gigantic spear into the whole mess. Definitely a contender for creepiest attack in the franchise, tied with the BigBad in ''Alpha 3''. |
| 87 | ** The physical appearance of the Dimensional Beasts, including their origins, increasingly become this. |
| 88 | ** [[FinalBoss Supreme God Z]]'s [[https://youtu.be/5XlRSiaDEoQ Supreme God of Death's Light attack]] in ''Tengoku-hen'': bombarding the enemy with horrific visions of universal death and destruction rivals that of [[spoiler:[[Characters/SuperRobotWarsAlpha3 Keisar Ephes]] and his "End of the Galaxy" attack]]. |
| 89 | * NightmareRetardant |
| 90 | ** Shikū's "Assemblage of Corpses" {{Leitmotif}} would be scary if the distorted voice playing in the background didn't sound like someone burping. |
| 91 | ** A deer appears during the [[SuperMovePortraitAttack pilot cut-in]] for Barbiel the Needle's strongest attack: while the imagery should be creepy, viewers state they recall [[WesternAnimation/{{Bambi}} mental images of another animated movie featuring a deer whose mother was killed by a hunter]]. |
| 92 | * PlayerPunch: [[spoiler:[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFiiuEPnG1Y Esther Elhaas becomes a Dimensional Beast]] in ''Saisei-hen''. She gets better, though]]. |
| 93 | * RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap |
| 94 | ** Mixed alongside AuthorsSavingThrow and TookALevelInBadass: when ''Anime/TheBigO'' debuted in ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsDestiny'', it was near useless by that game's [[GameBreakingBug broken standards]] and many players were pleasantly surprised after seeing it in action in ''Z'', where it's one of the best units and becomes better through weapon management, making it a nigh-GameBreaker with its high defense, range, and high stats from [[Anime/TheBigO Roger Smith]] (more accurately, his skill set, allowing him to make use of the "Attack Again" pilot skill[[note]]If the defending enemy's skill stat is 20 points lower than the pilot's skill stat, the pilot may initiate a second attack in the same combat phase[[/note]]). It seemed like the developers were issuing an apology for its sheer shafting in ''Destiny''. |
| 95 | ** Like the previous example, Anime/{{Godmars}} was a scrappy unit in ''Destiny'' due to the same bug and if it was destroyed, it was an instant game over. Although the same "game over" situation is in ''Hakai-hen'', Godmars is rendered as an ass-kicking tool of destruction that's nearly unstoppable and [[MemeticBadass memetically worshipped as an unmoving God that does not need to move or get animated a lot to lay down said destruction.]] One fan on the Website/GameFAQs board described it as "two trucks duct-taped together with an atomic bomb", [[EarthShatteringKaboom which is an oddly accurate description of Godmars itself]]. It also helps that after the ''Godmars'' finale, the bomb is disposed of safely and there's now no game-ruining risk involved with using it. |
| 96 | ** If there's one pilot and unit people ragged on the most out of the ''Gundam 00'' pilots it's Allelujah and the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Kyrios Gundam]] for not being quite up to snuff with the other Celestial Being Gundams. Cue a 180 with the Arios in ''Saisei-hen'' winning fans over with better specs, having what many consider the best opening "[[SuperMode TRANS-AM]]" animation, an eventual ability to unleash Hallejuah and watching the machine jump between [[TransformingMecha jet/robot configurations]] in detailed animations. |
| 97 | ** [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Nena Trinity]] in the ''Second Z'' duology: while she's still an evil psychotic bitch, what made her so hated in her home series ([[spoiler:killing Louise Halevy's family at a wedding on a total whim]]) is altered: she and her brothers bomb a political party [[spoiler:Louise's parents happened to be at]], apparently under orders. Nena's still the culprit, but doesn't hold '''sole''' culpability, and it being politically-driven rather than done ForTheEvulz makes her come off as less reprehensible. |
| 98 | ** [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Quess Paraya]] loses most of her {{Yandere}} traits in ''Jigoku-hen'', while [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Gyunei Guss]] doesn't take to his DragonWithAnAgenda situation from the film as much, [[spoiler:even having him assist Z-BLUE with pushing Axis back]]. |
| 99 | ** In its prior ''Z'' appearances, the [[Anime/AfterWarGundamX Gundam X and Gundam Double X]] can only use the "Satellite Cannon" so long as the moon is out in scenarios. Unfortunately, the games neglect to tell players whether the moon appears or not. ''Tengoku-hen'' retools this mechanic by allowing the weapon's use so long as its pilot hits the Will requirement. Provided the moon appears in the scenario, the weapon takes one turn to charge; if not, two turns. After Scenario 33, regardless of whether the moon appears or not, the attack can be used every turn. |
| 100 | ** The cast and story of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'' received such a huge FixFic treatment that people that once reviled them now looked at them with more positive light at least in the ''Super Robot Wars'' continuity. Ironically however, the director Mitsuo Fukuda ''[[DisownedAdaptation vehemently]]'' [[DisownedAdaptation disagrees]]. |
| 101 | * TheScrappy: |
| 102 | ** "[[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZWalkingSpoilers The Four Angels]]", sans Sacrifi, are hated by a lot of players. Doctrine and Tempti have one-dimensional personalities and barely interesting plots that don't tie into the overall MythArc, and are also over-hyped as the ultimate villains for the ''Z'' series, only for them to have a lot of the VillainBall moments when they are hardly in the game. |
| 103 | ** Then there's [[spoiler: Advent]], whose appearance in the any of the final stages is usually synonymous with a massive nosedive in the writing, [[XanatosRoulette confusing and conflicting motivations]], committing an exhaustive list of [[MoralEventHorizon horrific atrocities]] and yet still getting to be on good terms with Hibiki in the end, and [[spoiler: the Supreme God Z]]'s design being unimpressive with only a single attack with proper animation. |
| 104 | * ScrappyWeapon: Gurren Lagann's "Dreidel Burst" MAP attack consumes a lot of EN, can only hit five enemies at most, cannot be used post-movement, nor is it available in space-based scenarios, and can't hit enemies in the air unless the Gurren Lagann has an equippable part that gives all of its weapons a terrain rating in the air (having flight alone won't cover it, since it's canon [[MechaExpansionPack flight upgrade]] doesn't change this attack's properties). Unfortunately, most players feel the machine performs sub-optimally in the air, regardless. Fortunately, Dreidel Burst is replaced by "Giga Drill Maximum" in later games. |
| 105 | * ShockingMoments: |
| 106 | ** A playable Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann in ''Jigoku-hen'' already set the tone following its reveal in the promotional trailers, but to transform into the "[[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]]"? '''WOW'''. |
| 107 | ** The entire Axis ColonyDrop event in ''Jigoku-hen'': sure, multiple [=SRWs=] have used it before, but to see [[spoiler:Char reveal he's not the one dropping the asteroid, but rather use Axis to perform space-time recovery, ''lead'' all of Z-BLUE in stopping its descent, '''AND''' pull a XanatosGambit in case the drop does happen]]? All this is done as "[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack Beyond the]] [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic Time]]" plays in the background. |
| 108 | ** [[spoiler:Geminion Ray's "The Over Riser Arc" attack in ''Tengoku-hen''. How much? Oh, nothing short of ''splitting the Earth in half'']]. |
| 109 | * SpiritualSuccessor: |
| 110 | ** The first ''Z'' to ''Alpha Gaiden'', due to similar series used (''Gundam X'', ''Turn A Gundam'', ''Xabungle''), overall difficulty and the use of a "bazaar" to purchase playable units. |
| 111 | ** The ''Z'' trilogy is one of the ''Franchise/MassEffect'' trilogy, if it took center stage for ''Super Robot Wars'' - the [[spoiler:Supreme God Sol/Z]] is a parallel to the [[EldritchAbomination Reapers]], an InUniverse force with NighInvulnerability [[spoiler:that has been wiping out civilizations for millions of years. Both entities feature a cycle of destruction and rebirth on a cosmic scale]]. The ability of [[spoiler:Advent]] to brainwash characters by being in close proximity to them is similar to Reaper "[[MoreThanMindControl Indoctrination]]" and [[spoiler:the fact that he pretends to be an ally of Z-BLUE and plans to use the Supreme God for his own agenda]] is a slight nod to "The Illusive Man". |
| 112 | * TearJerker |
| 113 | ** Setsuko's life plummets to hell in a rapid rate that you can't help to just feel sorry and wanting to hug her. During the Break The World event, the mysterious Asakim Dowin swept in and then killed her chief Denzel in front of her. The next time he appeared, he killed Setsuko's only friend Toby Watson... and proceeded to inflict unspeakable pain towards Setsuko, who, after all those traumas, were reduced into nothing but screaming for help to no avail. We don't want to indulge to what ''really'' happened there. She still survived those, but then realized that she's the SoleSurvivor of the Glory Star team. All of this before ''even halfway of her story''. No one's blaming her when she curled up and sobbed "Why me...?" She's later seen crying in the beach alone, and while she managed to get encouragement from her friends, she ended the scene with crying herself until she's all out of tears. |
| 114 | -->'''Setsuko''': Toby, Chief... I'm now the only remaining Glory Star member... I'll carry on your will and the name Glory Star... but for now, let me just cry it out for awhile... |
| 115 | ** Many from the various franchises, but especially [[spoiler:the death of [[Anime/{{Zambot 3}} Aki]], which can be averted through GuideDangIt by getting invisible "points", putting her in stasis until a method to stop the bomb in her is discovered]]. Also doubles as PlayerPunch, as many players mercilessly slaughter "[[Anime/{{Zambot 3}} Gaizock]]" forces responsible for it in revenge. [[Anime/{{Zambot 3}} Kappei]] even changes character portraits from his usual smile to an angry expression for the rest of the scenario, along with a change in character description in the encyclopedia. |
| 116 | ** [[spoiler:[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjfVMZggw44 Kamina]], [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-UV1sk8ZNo Euphemia]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUe83vpiKC0 Neil]]]] in ''Hakai-hen''. The worst part is [[spoiler:while Aki can be SparedByTheAdaptation (which is canon in the ''Z'' games) and Euphemia is alive in ''Saisei-hen'' (provided players take the "Trust Zero Route"), Kamina and Neil remain KilledOffForReal]]. |
| 117 | *** ''Jigoku-hen'' {{Retcon}}s [[spoiler:Euphemia being NotQuiteDead, where events reveal [[Anime/CodeGeass Lelouch Lamperouge]] was defeated by the "[[Anime/CodeGeass Black Knights]]", thus following the normal "Don't Trust Zero Route" where Euphemia is KilledOffForReal]]. |
| 118 | *** Even "[[AxCrazy Batshit]]" [[Manga/GetterRobo Ryouma Nagare]], of all people, screams for [[spoiler:Kamina]] in the same manner he does whenever [[Manga/GetterRobo Musashi Tomoe]] bites the dust. |
| 119 | ** Before heading off to fight the FinalBoss in ''Jigoku-hen'', Z-BLUE uses the teleport/warp points inside the [[spoiler:[[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Super Galaxy Dai-Gurren]]]] to go home and visit their friends. Everyone gets to have what could be their last time with the people they love, the exception being [[Anime/{{Gunbuster}} Noriko]]. Although the party is quick to brighten her spirit, it's still a sad moment [[spoiler:considering [[Anime/{{Gunbuster}} Kazumi Amano]] isn't present in ''Jigoku-hen'']]. |
| 120 | ** ''[[{{Interquel}} Rengoku-hen]]'' pulls one with Setsuko [[spoiler:after acquiring the "Virgola Glory S": her Sphere of the "Sorrowful Maiden" is going into a form of overdrive. For the entire scenario this happens, Setsuko sounds almost suicidial]]. |
| 121 | * ThatOneBoss |
| 122 | ** The Overdevil, [[Anime/TurnAGundam Turn X]] and [[Anime/EurekaSeven Dewey Novak's flagship Ginga-gou]] in ''Z'' |
| 123 | ** ''Hakai-hen'' has the dreaded big three of [[Anime/{{Godmars}} Emperor Zul]], [[Anime/DancougarNova Moon Will's original Dancougar]] and [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Lord Genome's Lazengann]]. All of them can and will deal a OneHitKill on allied units if players aren't careful. |
| 124 | ** [[spoiler:Level 99 [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ2 Gaioh]] in ''Saisei-hen'', provided players are progressing on hard difficulty and picked the second of a particular conversation choice]]. |
| 125 | ** [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Haman Karn]] in ''Jigoku-hen'' during the "[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamUnicorn Day of the Unicorn]]" event, thanks to god-like evasion rates and having no one on the allied roster with accuracy-increasing Spirit Commands at their disposal. |
| 126 | ** [[Literature/FullMetalPanic Gauron]], [[VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsJudgment as]] [[VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsW usual]] in ''Jigoku-hen''; he may be worse this time if simply due, but not limited to, the fact he has the "Ignore Size Modifier" pilot skill. |
| 127 | ** [[Literature/FullMetalPanic Leonard Testarossa in the Belial]] for ''Tengoku-hen'' in Scenario 16, due to his machine's "Lambda Driver" reducing damage by a whopping ''90%'', effectively giving him more than 150000 {{Hit Point}}s. If players are on the hard difficulty, Leonard will also unlock his "Ace Bonus". |
| 128 | ** The El Millennium in Scenario 20 of ''Tengoku-hen,'' if players choose to withdraw from the area Leonard was fought in, due to the Origin pilot and the dragon itself carrying all of the destructive stats of the Angeloi Arcas (see DemonicSpiders above) while boasting more than twice the HP of a single Angeloi Arca, at 42000. If you don't upgrade your units, train your pilots, or use the Simulator Sub-Order to generate EXP, expect it to NoSell all of your basic attacks. |
| 129 | ** All enemy Sphere Reactors are this, but once Straus gets serious in ''Tengoku-hen'', he ascends to be a level 70 boss when most allied pilots are just hitting their mid-40s. Worse, his unit contains an ''eleven-ranged'' ALL attack with incredibly high accuracy and can perform three actions per turn. |
| 130 | * ThatOneLevel |
| 131 | ** The final scenario for [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ Rand Travis]] on [[HarderThanHard EX-Hard Mode]] is ''insanely'' annoying, both because of its length and the sheer DifficultySpike the BigBad is compared to the previous scenarios. SaveScumming is almost a must to avoid an {{Unwinnable}} situation. |
| 132 | ** Some of the special scenario requirements are near impossible to beat without a great deal of luck and SaveScumming. The only real way to beat ''Z'' on EX-Hard Mode while getting the SR Points and hidden ending points and such is LevelGrinding repair units (making Rand's route a little easier since the "Gunleon" has this ability) to high levels as soon as you get a scenario without a time limit. |
| 133 | ** Just about any stage in ''Hakai-hen'' with Dimensional Beasts is a pain in the ass, especially Scenario 50. This doesn't get any better when Artificial-class Beasts present themselves anywhere in ''Saisei-hen''. |
| 134 | ** Scenario 35 of ''Saisei-hen'' (of both routes, no exception) begins with all allied characters getting [[MindRape their heads messed with]] through an event, starting them off at 70 Will, no use of Spirit Commands while hordes of Artificial-class Dimensional Beasts close in, dealing high damage to units while taking paltry amounts in return due to the low Will. |
| 135 | ** Any stages containing enemy Sphere Reactors in ''Tengoku-hen'' due to their unit-exclusive "Sphere Act" abilities that affect all allied characters. |
| 136 | * TheyChangedItNowItSucks |
| 137 | ** The ''Second Z'' duology being on a handheld attracted a large number of complaints, as well as the removal of the "TRI-Battle System". A combination of these two things has also limited returning series to their key cast members and units only. Additionally, the fact [[WhatCouldHaveBeen it was planned to be a PlayStation 2 game]] had some fans upset, as the Sony Platform/PlayStationPortable is seen as a downgrade in terms of graphical capabilities. |
| 138 | ** Replacing the ''Anime/EurekaSeven'' TV series with the not-so-well received movie in ''Hakai-hen'' had fans crying it was ruined now that the Nirvash is no longer broken, since many consider the film version of the machine as garbage. With ''Eureka Seven'' totally removed from ''Tengoku-hen'', nearly all players agree this is not a step in the right direction regarding the ''Z'' series. |
| 139 | ** ''Macross Frontier'' units are rendered size "M" rather than "S" in ''Hakai-hen'', and no longer have their "Pinpoint Barrier" unit ability[[note]]Nullify damage below 1000[[/note]] from ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsL'', which means they're no longer {{Game Breaker}}s. Naturally, people complained; however, the barrier does return in ''Saisei-hen''. |
| 140 | *** What's funny is ''L'' [[MisBlamed got the size wrong, too]]: the "[[Anime/MacrossFrontier VF-25 Messiah]]" is roughly the same height as medium-sized mainstays Mazinger Z and the "[[Anime/MobileSuitGundam RX-78-2 Gundam]]", making it too large to be considered "small". ''L'' worked them in due to a lack of small units (it only had the [[Anime/KotetsuJeeg Jeegs]] and the Anime/{{Iczer}}s), but ''Hakai-hen'' has enough small units to restore them to their original size. |
| 141 | ** Part of the fanbase complained "Tori no Uta" and "[[Anime/MacrossFrontier LION]]" (and by extension, the entire soundtrack of ''Macross Frontier'') is much better in ''L'' than it is in the ''Second Z'' duology. Don't even try to mention "[[FinishingMove Absolute Nova Beast Attack]]" for the ''Dancougar Nova''; likewise, ''Macross 7'' gets a bit of a flak for not including some of their songs, mostly "Angel Voice" and "Holy Lonely Night". This may have been the reason why ''Jigoku-hen'' began allowing custom [=BGMs=]. |
| 142 | ** ''Jigoku-hen'' wasn't kind to [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Heero Yuy]] when they made [[Creator/HikaruMidorikawa his quotes to bosses and enemies]] as generic as possible, lacking the entire "Target, X enemy" that fans loved both in the ''Second Z'' duology. Fortunately, this was brought back in ''Tengoku-hen''. |
| 143 | * TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler:Although Advent and his Asclepus wind up rescuing Hibiki in dynamic moments, he pulls a HeroicSacrifice to imbalance the "Sphere of the Quarreling Twins", allowing Hibiki to acquire it for himself]]. Subverted [[spoiler:when it's a ThanatosGambit for Advent to become the vessel for the Supreme God Z to recreate the universe in his own image]]. |
| 144 | * WhatCouldHaveBeen: |
| 145 | ** Heine from ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeedDestiny'' appeared to be an intended playable character, given that his GOUF Ignited has fully animated battle sprites and that he has his own cut-in [[https://youtu.be/RdLpXu3t95c?t=215 which can be seen here]][[note]]The GOUF Ignited does make an appearance in battle albeit in a scripted one where it gets shot down[[/note]]. Heine's lack of playability is likely because of needing to hire CelebrityVoiceActor Music/TMRevolution to reprise the role as he is playable in ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsK'' and ''[[VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsL L]]'' on the DS where there is no voiced lines. |
| 146 | ** According to Terada in episode 527 of the ''Super Robot Wars'' radio show, Umasugi Wave, ''Anime/TheBraveExpressMightGaine'' was going to debut in ''Z''. Its actual debut ended up being in ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsV''. |
| 147 | * TheWoobie |
| 148 | ** Setsuko, though Uther might've surpassed her for this status in ''Saisei-hen''. |
| 149 | ** Hibiki: [[spoiler:his mother was manipulated into killing her son, but is DrivenToSuicide because she wouldn't harm him. One of the Four Angels murders Hibiki's father and sister in front of him just to see the boy's reaction. In ''Jigoku-hen'', Hibiki loses his friend Advent when fighting Gadlight, except Advent turns out perfectly well in ''Tengoku-hen'', only to betray him and Z-BLUE since he was EvilAllAlong. To make matters worse, Maki the nurse is one of Advent's subordinates AND Advent was the culprit responsible for killing his family. Fellow Genion co-pilot [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsZ3 Suzune Saijou]] has her hidden personality "Ambriel" emerge and takes over, pulling a FaceHeelTurn. Finally, Ambriel reveals the Genion was intended for Suzune's use, ''not'' Hibiki, making everything up to that point in ''Tengoku-hen'' basically an accident on his account]]. Fortunately, Hibiki does toughen up, and turns into an IronWoobie at the core. |
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