Line #85 YMMV/StarWarsExpandedUniverse


1	See ''YMMV/StarWarsLegends'' for old EU.
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3	* BrokenBase:
4	** After the Disney buyout, the entire EU was rendered non-canon (except the original six theatrical films and ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars]]'') because the writers of the Sequel Trilogy wanted to have a flesh slate to work on. This caused major division between fans who objected to over three decades' worth of work being casually tossed out to create a consistent setting, and those who refused to acknowledge the EU before and are glad it's non-canon. The controversy was mitigated somewhat when certain aspects of the ''[[Franchise/StarWarsLegends Legends]]'' continuity were re-incorporated into the Canon, such as Thrawn appearing in ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Rebels]]''.
5	** Some fans declared that they're TakingAThirdOption: if it's not been changed in the Disney EU, they're still believing it's canon (for example, the Old Republic era involving Revan, until it's retconned, remains canon in the eyes of some fans). Later on, it was announced at the Star Wars Celebration Anaheim [[http://www.starwars.com/news/swca-one-big-story-star-wars-canon-panel-liveblog?linkId=13622056 2015 canon panel]] that the Old Republic era, including ''Knights Of The Old Republic'' and ''The Old Republic'' are not canon, but there is potential to revisit the era in canon.
6	** The focus on the Original Trilogy era has some fans either interested in learning more about the reign of the Empire or craving for the Prequel Trilogy era.
7	** An issue that the new EU now shares with Legends beginning with the ''[[Franchise/StarWarsTheHighRepublic High Republic]]'' era: should the main conflict of TheVerse stick with lightsiders versus darksiders (Jedi/Sith, Rebellion/Empire, Resistance/First Order), or are major conflicts with [[TakeAThirdOption somebody else entirely]] ([[VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic Eternal Empire]], [[Literature/NewJediOrder Yuuzhan Vong]], [[Literature/DarkNestTrilogy Killiks]], [[Franchise/StarWarsTheHighRepublic Nihil]]) a worthwhile creative choice?
8	** There's the division in the fanbase between the "Small Galaxiers" (a derogatory term used to describe them) who want more interconnectivity in the stories and characters, and those who want the stories to be able stand for themselves without the need for watching TV shows or reading tie-in material to understand what's happening (most notably by avoiding using established characters and mentioning events), with the former camp being highly supportive of producer Dave Filoni's tendency to interconnect his storylines and characters, while the latter being very supportive of the Sequel Trilogy (except ''Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker'') and the ''High Republic'' sub-franchise.
9	** The Lucasfilm Story Group and other writers have stated as early as ''ComicBook/StarWarsAdventures'' and ''WesternAnimation/LEGOStarWarsTheFreemakerAdventures'' that some stories would be [[LooseCanon lighter on continuity]]. While ''Series/TheMandalorian'' Season 2 and ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' Season 7 would take this a step further by making {{retcon}}s to earlier stories[[note]]In ''The Mandalorian'', Cobb Vanth's story of how he attained Boba Fett's armor was altered from how it was told in ''Literature/StarWarsAftermath'', a change that author Chuck Wendig was not informed of, although it's been argued that Cobb was being an UnreliableExpositor to sound good to Din; in ''The Clone Wars'' Season 7, how the Siege of Mandalore, Ahsoka vs. Maul, and Ahsoka, and Rex's Order 66 encounter are told completely differently from how ''Literature/StarWarsAhsoka'' told it, with author E.K. Johnson also not told of the change. Both authors were accepting of the alterations.[[/note]], and another when ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheBadBatch'' heavily retconned [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Kanan's encounter with Order 66]], a once beloved scene from ''ComicBook/StarWarsKanan'' for how it was originally portrayed in the comic (which was in fact written by ''Rebels'' Season 1 executive producer and writer Greg Weisman). Many fans feel that these retcons do away with the promise at the beginning of the Disney buyout that canon would adhere to each other and value each other equally, seeing as ''Legends'' suffered from enough retcons that it had to sort its entries by ranking importance.[[note]] That being said, once the old Expanded Universe got up and running, it's generally agreed that it overall did an excellent job of tying stories into one another and brushing over seeming contradictions without resorting to complete retcons.[[/note]] Meanwhile, Lucasfilm Story Group has stated in light of Kanan's retconned backstory that canon is more like a "mythology", fluid and open to interpretation, while also emphasizing that [[MST3KMantra the franchise is meant to be less about obsessing over continuity and more about enjoying it for what it is]], which some fans also accept. However, others took his statements to mean that visual media (TV Shows, Live-Action series and videogames) will take lesser media (Comicbooks, literature, etc) as more of a vague outline rather than fully canon, which many feel is the return of the Canon Ranking system used in the discontinued ''Legends'' timeline (Visual media trumps all other media).
10	* CompleteMonster: See [[Monster/StarWars here.]]
11	* DiagnosedByTheAudience: Thrawn's hyper-fixation with art, hyper-attention to detail, occasional awkwardness, and misreading of social cues (especially with the ever-shifting field of politics) could have been written off as the Chiss being a PlanetOfHats. Only ''[[Literature/StarWarsThrawnAscendancyChaosRising Thrawn Ascendancy: Chaos Rising]]'' subverts this and shows that Thrawn is just as much an outlier among his own people as he is among humans. General fanon consensus is he's autistic or somewhere on that spectrum.
12	* EnsembleDarkhorse: See [[EnsembleDarkhorse/StarWars here]] in the "Disney Continuity" entries.
13	* EpilepticTrees:
14	** As of April 10th, 2017 (a few days before Celebration 2017), some fans noticed that the official ''Star Wars'' Website/{{Twitter}} page had started following Creator/RosarioDawson and Creator/DwayneJohnson, with a popular rumor having gone around for a while that Dawson would play Ahsoka in a live-action role. Dawson and Creator/DaveFiloni started following each other on Twitter at the same time, too, and considering Filoni mostly just follows ice hockey teams and co-workers, it's rather suspect. Dawson indeed was cast as Ahsoka in ''Series/TheMandalorian''; Johnson is still a question mark.
15	** There are rumors going around of another animated series directed by Filoni either succeeding after or being released alongside ''Rebels''. While anything from the Old Republic era as popularly demanded (specifically a canon adaptation of ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'') are currently off limits so that Bioware still has time to end its ''Legends'' story in ''The Old Republic'', the other guess is that it will fill in the gap between ''Return of the Jedi'' and ''The Force Awakens''.
16	** Voice actor Creator/StephenStanton revealed in a podcast interview that his voice for AP-5 was being reused for ''another'' Lucasfilm animated series... huh?
17	* FanNickname: The ''Filoni-Verse'' is the name many fans use to refer to the shows producer and writer Creator/DaveFiloni has directly worked on such as ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'', ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheBadBatch'', ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' and ''Series/TheMandalorian'' since the four shows [[ContinuityPorn continue the storylines he created or co-created]] with a nice sideplate of [[TheBusCameBack returning characters]], {{Continuity Nod}}s and MythologyGags.
18	* HarsherInHindsight: The roleplaying sourcebook ''Gadgets and Gears'' (released in September 2019) revealed that a few factions in the Galactic Civil War made grenades that carry the [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars Blue Shadow Virus]], a historically infamous virus that killed millions and [[MadScientist Dr. Nuvo Vindi]] later tried to start a galactic pandemic with a deadlier version of it. A few months after publication, the COVID-19 virus became widespread enough to be declared a global pandemic, and disturbingly, there were [[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/federal-law-enforcement-document-reveals-white-supremacists-discussed-using-coronavirus-as-a-bioweapon/ar-BB11vT0H reports]] of white supremacists planning to weaponize the virus against racial minorities in the United States.
19	* HilariousInHindsight:
20	** The romanji for Thrawn according to Google Translate is Sloan. Guess who else is a Grand Admiral in the new canon?
21	** Some fans greeted the new Expanded Universe because they weren't happy about how canonicity worked with the old Expanded Universe, given that it took things a while to standardize. Now, the Disney Expanded Universe is even lighter on keeping a standard canon than the old one!
22	* IKnewIt: Almost immediately after Lucasfilm announced that the old Expanded Universe had been ExiledFromContinuity and rebranded as ''Franchise/StarWarsLegends'', fans of EnsembleDarkhorse Grand Admiral Thrawn started insisting that Thrawn would show up in the new Expanded Universe eventually. They were absolutely ''adamant'' that he was still around, even though Creator/TimothyZahn's ''Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy''--where he was introduced, and later [[spoiler: KilledOffForReal]]--had officially never happened. But in 2016, it turned out that they were right after all: it was announced that Thrawn would appear in Season 3 of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'', and that Zahn would be penning the new novel ''Star Wars: Thrawn'', which would officially reintroduce everyone's favorite [[VillainInAWhiteSuit Chiss in White]] with a new {{canon}} backstory.
23	* MemeticMutation: As before, Thrawn's full name, Mitth'raw'nuruodo is either joked about how it has the word "raw" in it or the last part sounds like "Manga/{{Naruto}}".
24	* {{Misblamed}}: Given Creator/JJAbrams' reboot of ''Franchise/StarTrek'', don't be surprised if you see fans accusing J.J. of wiping out the ''Star Wars'' EU canon. Also, don't be surprised if you see people blaming Creator/GeorgeLucas or Disney's decision. The policy does largely follow what was George's own position towards the former EU back when he was in charge, but that was always his position and never pretended otherwise. As for Disney, they did not make the choice to wipe the EU and they're smart enough to let Lucasfilm handle the reins, so ExecutiveMeddling by Disney very rarely happens to the new ''Star Wars'' stories. The EU wipe was decided by Lucasfilm.
25	* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Captain Phasma became TheScrappy in ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' for being hyped up by advertising to be the new [[EnsembleDarkhorse Boba Fett]], only for her to be an AdvertisedExtra and her [[NeverLiveItDown most notable action]] in the film being a DirtyCoward that [[NiceJobFixingItVillain screws over Starkiller Base]] and gets thrown in the trash compartment as a result. And then ''[[Literature/StarWarsPhasma Phasma]]'' shows she's a [[HateSink deliberately unlikable]] sociopath that's out for herself, willing to [[spoiler:kill her parents, her brother, her clan, and the man who recruited her into the First Order in the first place]] to secure her own place among greatness, with that greatness being the First Order until further notice.
26	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: A BroadStrokes faithful adaptation of the ''Literature/XWingSeries'' as of ''Literature/AftermathEmpiresEnd'' is near impossible, as Wedge never makes any [[SequelHook nods]] to events from his early piloting career [[FridgeLogic that you'd think would be mentioned as relevant to Phantom Squadron if it did happen]]. In addition, at the end of ''Empire's End'', Wedge decides to become a piloting teacher rather than continue being a pilot, meaning Phantom Squadron can't channel Wraith Squadron.

Context YMMV / StarWarsExpandedUniverse