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10* AccidentalInnuendo: [[http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/7/03/4d51716c53474/detail.jpg This]] ''Spider-Man'' cover. Whoa Petey, cold shower much? It's ''supposed'' to be his leg, but damn, bad placement. Made worse by Finesse and Hazmat's position and poses in the background.
11* {{Adorkable}}: What's commonly forgotten by some people is MJ is adorably weird. The first thing she did when she met Peter was turn on the TV and start dancing. She regularly acted in a goofy, weirdly comical manner, and her personality was far more of a class clown-type.
12* AlasPoorScrappy: A lot of people who hated Carnage expressed this towards him after he was thought dead in ''Axis'', mainly because [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap he was just redeemed as a character in the eyes of many]]. It's rather surprising that many people who wanted the character written out just a few years before were now overjoyed when it turned out that he survived.
13* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
14** Peter Parker is one of the most popular superheroes of all time and is basically seen as a naive confused kid but despite that (sometimes ''[[ItsPopularNowItSucks BECAUSE]]'' of that) Spider-Man is not without his detractors. People who dislike him usually do so because of this trope: Battle-hardened self-taught warrior using a combination of wit, intelligence, strength, and bitter experience to become a dangerous foe? Or young, inexperienced, naïve newbie who can't keep his mouth shut? Even the writers aren't sure. Some argue that these are not necessarily in conflict, as it is very plausible to imagine the latter during his early years and he starts becoming the former. In [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw_GlYve_Lg his rant about]] ''Film/ManOfSteel'', Creator/MaxLandis calls Spider-Man "a narcissistic bully", and that the reason why his enemies hate him so much is because he bullies and mocks them while he's "breaking their bones". This is actually a pretty common interpretation among detractors of the character, which paints him as a huge hypocrite. Other people counter-argue that what Spidey does is to act as a [[DeadpanSnarker snarky]] BullyHunter, since (at least when well written) he only does it with criminals who had it coming.
15** Is Peter Parker truly responsible in his use of powers or is he just motivated by teenage angst and guilt and uses his aesop as an excuse to avoid looking beyond his present concerns and thinking deeply about what to really do with his life. This is something that has been discussed for a while by writers themselves in different runs and which Post-OMD has been taken up by fans, namely [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]] in his review of ''One More Day'' {{Lampshades}} how the nature of Peter's adolescent HeroicVow looks really really bad when you consider that the character is a proper adult already, since he's been out of high school for over a decade in comic book time, and ''over five decades'' in RealLife, having long outgrown multiple generations of teenage audiences who Marvel consider his target demographic.
16** J. Jonah Jameson has been subject to this a number of times InUniverse DependingOnTheWriter but among fans you get ideas like a [[Website/FourChan /co/]] [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/c9ab86ed11fb0bd78aa0291cb9ff1726/tumblr_mfww8nnSBr1qg8am1o1_1280.png post]] arguing the idea of J. Jonah Jameson as a SecretSecretKeeper who is tough on Spider-Man in order to motivate him to keep working harder in defending the city. Others see Jameson as a huckster, and the ''Bugle'' is a borderline-tabloid, which he uses for his anti-Spidey crusade regardless of facts (an interpretation canonized by Jameson himself in issue #5) and the ButtMonkey, just there for comic relief. Some argue that Jameson is a good, honest newspaperman, and the ''Bugle'' is a good paper, he just happens to have a bug up his butt about Spidey. Others, however point out that Jameson has commissioned the creation of supervillains and lethal anti-Spidey robots, calling him an outright psychopath and insisting he should be in jail.
17** Does Carnage actually have feelings for Shriek, or is she just a useful tool he'll eventually dispose of? The ''Carnage'' miniseries implied it's a combination of the two.
18** Among long-time Spider-Man writers and editors, MJ being a party girl but secretly putting on a facade is debated. Creator/GerryConway and others see her that way, and wrote MJ with HiddenDepths but others point out that the thought bubbles in the early issues are largely consistent with MJ's ManicPixieDreamGirl behavior. Roger Stern for instance saw her as a party girl and believed that the MJ who married Peter was basically written into an entirely different character, even if, ironically enough, he was the one brought her back from being PutOnABus, which led to her backstory being created and giving her more depth and sentiment. Marv Wolfman also had very similar feelings, which is why he was the one who put her on that bus to begin with.
19** Does MJ really love "the real Peter" or is she only interested in him because she knew all along that he was Spider-Man. The latter is argued by Dan Slott, controversially, because he believes that it prejudiced her attitude towards Peter before she even met him, while others point out that her knowing Peter explains why she was more patient with him than many of his fellow social circle, and that the TwoPersonLoveTriangle is a pretty dead trope to use to judge true feelings. Likewise, given the fact that Spider-Man is ''the'' HeroWithBadPublicity (unlike Superman who is a charismatic public celebrity), MJ preferring and loyally supporting Spider-Man even when he is unpopular speaks in her favor (especially since that's why many liked her to start with). Adding credence to this is the often-forgotten aspect of ''Parallel Lives'' that notes that MJ actually had a crush on Peter ''before'' he got his powers, where to her he was Aunt Anna's cute, though geeky, neighbour. Finding out he was Spider-Man (whom she also separately crushed on because she identified with his need to wear a mask) merely added a wrinkle to her feelings.
20* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail:
21** At the time the character was created, the Marvel bosses were skeptical that a character like Spider-Man would sell: [[KidSidekick teenage "everyman" heroes were seen as exclusively the stuff of sidekicks]], and a spider-themed character risked grossing out or scaring away arachnophobic readers. As a "compromise", they allowed Lee and Ditko to put the character in [[ComicBook/AmazingFantasyNumber15 an anthology book they knew was going to be canned with that issue]], presumably hoping he would be forgotten fairly quickly. The result was an EnsembleDarkhorse of such caliber he ''had'' to be given his own book, and he went on to be one of the biggest superheroes of all time.
22** The ''Silk'' solo title seemed to be doomed from the start, given that she was a [[TheScrappy widely hated]] D-lister with the reins of the writing being handed over to a writer who was mainly in the TV business and only had a few issues of one obscure indie comic to his name. The result was that ''Silk'' ended up being one of the better Marvel comics through their '10s AudienceAlienatingEra, thanks to well-written storylines and improved characterization. It also [[BreakthroughHit launched Thompson's career]] as one of Marvel's more prominent writers.
23* AngstDissonance: One of the recurring issues owing to Peter Parker being presented by writers simultaneously as a "loveable loser" while still being outwardly a nerd at least in stories that lean towards the melodramatic side which many readers note often come across as forced, imposed and shoehorned in [[DiabolusExMachina and very much disproportionate and unearned]] in setting and context:
24** Peter Parker internally sees himself, as Tom Defalco and Ron Frenz noted, as the nebbish spectacled kid he was before he got bitten by the spider, but outwardly from the later Lee-Ditko issues onward, he [[ProgressivelyPrettier grew handsome]], muscled, and while originally he had difficulty [[CannotTalkToWomen talking to girls]], since his first relationship with Betty he had almost never gone without a date or extended periods without a relationship, and many point out that Peter, especially after the OMD retcon where he often has a number of casual encounters and brief relationships, would in real life be considered a womanizer. This ends up making many feel that Peter's excessive angst is absurd and disproportionate.
25** The logic of the SharedUniverse in which Peter's adventures also makes his situation feel tonally off. As much as Peter suffers from a GuiltComplex owing to [[ILetGwenStacyDie not always being able to save the people he loves]], many point out that Peter doesn't have as bad a record as ''ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}'' in terms of the MiseryPoker (and certainly isn't blind), and certainly fewer problems compared to the Hulk and the Thing, and he isn't anywhere near as self-destructive as ''ComicBook/IronMan'' or Hank Pym, or nearly as much blood on his hands as ''ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}''. Likewise, the problems and trauma suffered by the likes of ComicBook/JessicaJones and other New York heroes, also makes Spider-Man's relatively sanitized corner of SmallStepsHero feel pretty tame.
26** Owing to GrandfatherClause and the fact that Spider-Man lives and works in a LikeRealityUnlessNoted version of New York, many fans note that Peter Parker will almost never fall so badly on hard times that he would be forced to move out of one of the most expensive cities in the world (as so many real-life New Yorkers have had to over the years), since Peter Parker and Spider-Man swinging around Manhattan is too iconic a part of the franchise to take out, and as such it becomes increasingly hard to make readers believe that Peter's situation will truly get really bad and desperate.
27* AngstWhatAngst:
28** The issue ''is'' addressed, and she is clearly very distressed, but Anna Maria takes the news that her boyfriend was an infamous supervillain who had taken over Peter's body and had now essentially ''died'' surprisingly well. You get the impression that she's holding back a breakdown...and then it never happens.
29** Similarly, she switches from being lovers with Otto-in-Peter's-body to just friends with Peter (while still sharing an apartment with him!) remarkably quickly. It never seems to bother her that Peter doesn't feel the same way about her, or that he almost immediately begins pursuing other romantic interests (her only objection to Peter and Cindy hooking up seems to be that their constant supercharged sex-drive is annoying).
30** MJ had a miscarriage at the end of the Clone Saga, and the angst of losing a child is dealt with in pages that followed but downplayed after that. Given the tangled mess and editorial shenanigans that followed that and for the fact that the stories were downplayed, this isn't brought up again during the JMS era when the couple reunited even when certain issues such as ''Sins' Past'' about Gwen maybe secretly being Peter's babymama (and actually Osborn's) could have brought it up for MJ.
31* {{Anvilicious}}:
32** "WithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsibility". Yes, Uncle Ben, we got it! You don't need to repeat that Aesop at every adaption and alternate universe and at least twice and thrice a year! The sad part is that this was never part of Spider-Man's mythos until 1987, and even then in a one-off team-up issue with Spider-Man and Wolverine.
33** Ever since OMD, many writers love to have Peter, MJ and other characters talk about how she can't handle the life with him and how much better off she is without him.
34* ArcFatigue:
35** The Clone Saga. Probably the textbook example of this trope. A story-arc intended for six months stretched for years with {{Padding}} and filler material, forgettable characters, and bizarre retcons and controversial revisions that marked the start of Spider-Man's AudienceAlienatingEra.
36** The tendency of writers, Post-OMD, to stop Spider-Man from aging and keep him frozen in ComicBookTime has made a good part of his run feel stagnant. The Post-OMD status-quo in ''Brand New Day'' and ''One More Day'' which is more or less a retread and composite of bits and pieces from different parts of Peter's post-graduate phase, amounts to spinning wheels about characters and situations as Peter moves through a series of dead-end relationships, gets saddled with gimmicky plotlines that end with StatusQuoIsGod which is even more frustrating than before because Marvel's editorial have more or less implied that this will be a permanent situation. Many point out that this is absolutely against the spirit of Spider-Man where until the Clone Saga, Spider-Man was known and prized for its consistent growth and advancement and celebrated for maintaining consequences from one run to the next.
37** One reason why Spider-Man's marriage to Mary Jane was so popular when it happened was that it actually followed a period of fatigue in the Spider-Man comics where after Roger Stern stepped down, Spider-Man's editorial team spun a bunch of wheels in a series of divisive and confusing storylines. The Hobgoblin mystery set up by Stern which was supposed to be resolved with [[spoiler:Roderick Kingsley]] became ContinuitySnarl as later writers kept adding RedHerring about who he was supposed to be with the clumsy resolution that ended up perfunctorily killing off Ned Leeds, a long-term supporting character for no good reason. Peter's romance with Felicia Hardy[=/=]Black Cat hit a dead end, and the best story in this era wasn't even in the main titles but in the second series ("The Death of Jean [=DeWolff=]" published not in ''Amazing Spider-Man'' but in ''The Spectacular Spider-Man'') and about the one story arc that many liked was Mary Jane's CharacterDevelopment in this period, which led them to welcome the marriage whose sudden editorial greenlight also led to a clearing house of a confusing series of stories and provided a new status-quo that allowed for new storylines like ''ComicBook/KravensLastHunt'' and Venom to arrive on the scene.
38* AssPull:
39** Flint Marko's FaceHeelTurn. After spending nearly two decades (close to half of his existence) as a good guy, he showed up in the relaunched post-''Clone Saga'' ''Amazing Spider-Man'' as a villain again for no explained reason. It took a retcon to explain why he was evil again and ever since then he's gone back to being something closer to an AntiVillain.
40** ''The Clone Saga'' also had a few of these:
41*** The reveal that the resurrected Richard and Mary were actually robots. It came right out of nowhere, with zero hints or foreshadowing. And to make it worse, the so-called "robots" kept up the pretense of being real humans even when they were alone — Richard goes as far as having flashbacks from his days as a political prisoner and nightmares.
42*** The reveal that Aunt May is still alive, and that the Aunt May who died was actually an actress impostor hired by Norman Osborn, just to screw with Peter. It also comes out of nowhere with no clues or foreshadowing, and what makes it worse is that when Norman was writing his journal explaining what exactly he was up to during the Clone Saga, he mentions Aunt May's death. Despite that, it’s later revealed he faked her death using a highly trained actress, meaning he was lying in his own journals? How does that even make sense?
43** ''One More Day'' requires a massive one to exist. In this story, Aunt May gets shot, and Peter seeks medical help from every supergenius hero (and even some supergenius villains) in the Marvel universe, some who even have doctorates in medecine or surgery. Yet somehow, none of them are able to cure a ''simple bullet wound''. Not even with magic or ludicrous sci-fi crap they have at their disposal. The scientists like Reed Richards can make devices and inventions that can screw with the laws of nature themselves, and the wizards like Doctor Strange or Doctor Doom can heal practically any non-magical wound with a hand gesture…yet somehow, a bullet wound is somehow too much for them?
44* AudienceAlienatingEra:
45** In TheNineties, Venom became a SpotlightStealingSquad and Carnage was seen as a GenericDoomsdayVillain. This culminated in ''ComicBook/MaximumCarnage'', a comic that was successful commercially but critically disliked and pilloried by fans for its mix of violence and silliness, with the WolverinePublicity of ComicBook/{{Venom}} wearing out its welcome.
46** ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'' marked the start of the rot in Spider-Man's 616 continuity, with its endless retcons, changes, and increasingly convoluted storyline annoying most of the fanbase and setting a pattern that would recur decades later, with {{Dashed PlotLine}}s, {{Aborted Arc}}s, and retcons that invalidated the emotional impact of the stories. The period ''after'' the Clone Saga is also not remembered well, with stories like the fridging of MJ, who by that point had become the emotional center of the entire mythos, and then her revival and "separation" which also coincided with Peter becoming a ''real'' sad-sack after merely being a SadClown, followed by a highly unpopular ContinuityReboot by Creator/JohnByrne (''[[ComicBook/SpiderManChapterOne Chapter One]]'').
47** ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' marked the nadir of ''Spider-Man'''s popularity, since it retcons away nearly two decades of character development and creates several continuity issues, which alienated both longtime fans and new readers. Following writers ignored fan feedback, shilled characters like Carlie Cooper (who was criticized for being generic and a ReplacementScrappy) and tried to pitch this as a return to the light-hearted college era, despite following on from the most demoralizing Spider-Man story of all time.
48** '''A lot''' of people dislike Peter David's Scarlet Spider run, which turned Ben Reilly from a likeable, optimistic version of Peter Parker into a VillainProtagonist whose actions made ''Kaine'' look straight-up heroic. That the run dips into weird otherworldly aspects with plots revolving around Death and the much-loathed Mephisto don't help, nor does the treatment of Kaine who seems to exist solely so Ben can beat him up. The series introduced random plots that went nowhere like the character of Misty, and by its last issue was just wrapping up everything as quickly as possible at breakneck pace, before a resounding DownerEnding that was promptly ignored by the following Spider-works.
49* AudienceColoringAdaptation: Being such a prolific franchise, with tons of adaptations and different interpretations in different media, many characters have been reinterpreted over the decades, and some of these re-imaginings ended up overshadowing the original characterization in the public perception to different degrees.
50** The 1967 cartoon introduced a lot of iconic elements of Spider-Man, most notably his theme song.
51** The Raimi trilogy popularized the idea that Spider-Man had organic webbing which, being that it was the first live-action film and the most commercially successful films of his, they remain iconic and indelible parts of how people imagine Spider-Man rather than the mechanical web-shooters he designed.
52** The cartoons, film versions, and others on account of their focus on Peter's origins and high-school era continue to make audiences see Spider-Man as a teenage hero when most of the Spider-Man stories has had him as an adult. Thanks to the movies' use of MarqueeAlterEgo and the tendency of Spider-Man villains in movies to decipher his SecretIdentity (not only major personal ones like the Green Goblin but minor ones like the Vulture) and the emphasis on Spider-Man being a teenage hero, the general impression people have is that Peter Parker is some blundering kid too in over his head who can't keep his identity secret and who is quite obvious for being JustAKid. The reality is that in the original Spider-Man comics, his identity was a remarkably well preserved secret, finally deciphered by Green Goblin by means of a special gas that nullifies his SpiderSense. And the Green Goblin's first reaction on seeing Spider-Man without a mask? Total [[YouHaveGotToBeKiddingMe disbelief]] that [[YoungerThanTheyLook his adversary was that young]]. Spider-Man was always a struggling scrapping hero but that had to do with his class and income woes, and the fact that he had no backers (no Commissioner Gordon and others) to give him good PR not with his capacity to pull off his double life.
53** Mary Jane has both benefited from and been hampered by adaptations. It is partly through them that she primarily became Spidey's most prominent LoveInterest. Thanks to the newspaper comic-strip attracting a more adult and widespread audience than the regular comics' did around the late-'80s, she ended up married to Peter which as [[FirstGirlWins the first girl who married Peter]], gave her a permanent role in the Spider-Man mythos when in the regular comics at the time she had just returned after being PutOnABus for 40 issues, and taken a role as a close confidant and Peter's best friend albeit with many moments of UST and ShipTease between them. The iconic screen romance been Kirsten Dunst and Tobey Maguire's Peter in the first two films of Creator/SamRaimi's ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'' also made her famous among the non-comics public as Peter's "dream girl". Unfortunately, the tendency of the films to get her in danger just so Spidey could save her (3 times in the first film alone, and another two in the sequels) turned film!MJ into a DamselScrappy, which highlighted the fact that she lacked her comics' counterpart charismatic personality while also dialing down her common sense and social awareness that allowed her to be a competent and useful partner for Peter, or as Spider-Man's creators from Creator/GerryConway to Tom Taylor note, "his equal".
54** To a lesser degree, Aunt May is mostly seen as a fragile, maybe almost senile old lady due to how she's been portrayed in different adaptations. Downplayed in the sense that she was indeed that fragile during the first decade or so of the comic. But over the years, the writers have been writing her as a livelier and more resilient senior woman, a development that unfortunately haven't been added to many modern adaptations that audiences are more familiar with. This has changed thanks to ''Ultimate Spider-Man'' and ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming''.
55** Gwen Stacy in TheNewTens after being virtually forgotten except for the vocal but numerically small comics reading fans, got exposure thanks to ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' as well as ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'', where her character in the ''Amazing'' Series, portrayed by Creator/EmmaStone, was seen as the saving grace of a disappointing film series. Then there's the runaway success of ''ComicBook/SpiderGwen'' who showed up in other cartoons (''WesternAnimation/MarvelsSpiderMan'' and ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse''). Thanks to these adaptations, Gwen Stacy is no longer merely Spider-Man's love interest or the girl who died.
56** Stories inspired by Ultimate Marvel and the MCU often show Spider-Man as being under Iron Man's shadow or being his sidekick and so on. This tends to obscure the fact that Spider-Man in continuity terms is Iron Man's senior, being a superhero before Tony Stark, and before the formation of the Avengers (as seen in Issue #3 of the Avengers where Iron Man goes to Fantastic Four, X-Men, and Spider-Man for help which is played like a young scrappy startup owner trying to find investors with each of the big three telling them their time is too important for him and the Avengers). This dynamic is also NewerThanTheyThink coming in the 21st Century where Iron Man was upgraded from C-Lister to A-Lister, with Tony taking on a mentor role.
57* BaseBreakingCharacter:
58** Mary Jane Watson. An interesting case because the split largely occurs between the audience and the creators. Most of the fans love her, while Marvel creators and editors largely don't know what to do with her since she's a popular character with her own loyal fanbase despite being a supporting character with no superpowers (ideally a character who shouldn't provoke such strong feelings). Some fans tend to dislike her too: fans tend to be people who know her long history and/or discovered her in story lines when she was best written, or they're just fanboys with a very loose awareness of her history and just like her because she's hot), while detractors tend to be people who are mostly familiar with the [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy Sam Raimi film trilogy version]] (which is considered a DamselScrappy that is at best a [[CompositeCharacter composite of MJ and Gwen Stacy]] and at worst is MJ InNameOnly) and/or her post-''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' characterization where she's actively written so people stop caring about her, or they're just people who hate her because they prefer another love interest for Spider-Man, usually Gwen Stacy.
59** Gwen Stacy. Even long after her death, there are arguably just as many staunch Peter/Gwen supporters as there are Peter/MJ supporters (especially after Lacey Chabert's portrayal in ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' and Creator/EmmaStone's portrayal in the Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries movies renewed the character, eventually ending in the creation of her most popular version as of yet, ComicBook/SpiderGwen, and people liking her for different reasons as well (the costume, the snarky musician attitude, and the fact that the so infamous dead girlfriend is given agency), considering her [[ShipToShipCombat the better of the two love interests]]. Gwen detractors tend to like these versions but they largely point out that none of these iterations have any resemblance to the original character from the comics and count as mostly InNameOnly versions. The fact that Gwen's death is still used by writers as cheap pathos in comics irritates many, especially for storylines like ''Sins' Past'' (which ironically brought interest to her despite the damning content of the story[[note]]Namely that she cheated on Peter with ''Norman Osborn'' of all people, something that MJ never did and which she out of loyalty to Gwen kept from Peter to avoid scoring brownie points over her romantic rival[[/note]]) which are seen as major stinkers.
60** Carnage is seen as a [[FlatCharacter very one note villain]] by some fans, while others appreciate him precisely for the same reason.
61** Black Cat's seen as either a cheap Catwoman knockoff with no likable qualities who is completely out of place in Spider-Man's world or a fun, interesting character who has great chemistry with Peter whether they are dating or not.
62** Many fans, at least those of a traditional kind, don't care for Slott's reimagining of Doctor Octopus as Spider-Man's AntiHeroSubstitute. As they point out classic Dr. Octopus never showed any capacity for good, being a thug-in-a-lab-coat for most of his history, and it leaves Spider-Man's rogue gallery short of one of his most iconic villains. Others point out Doc Ock throughout his long history, has had several PetTheDog moments, such as attempting to save the life of his old flame from AIDS, teaming up with Spider-Man to defeat Luke Carlyle and saving civilian lives (While leaving Spidey to die naturally), and even the Ditko-Lee era had Ock treat Aunt May and Betty Brant civilly despite them being hostages. Additionally, supporters of Doc Ock's Superior phase, cite the hilarity of Ock as Spider-Man, AwesomeEgo, Super-Villain approaches to heroism and occasional TheExtremistWasRight moments to be entertaining as a protagonist, while the first group insist that Octopus being scum was important for Spider-Man's most important classic stories -- The Master Planner, The Sinister Six, and The Owl/Octopus War.
63* BestKnownForTheFanservice:
64** [[Characters/MarvelComicsMaryJaneWatson Mary Jane Watson]] and [[ComicBook/BlackCat Felicia Hardy/Black Cat]] both provide {{Fanservice}} in the majority of their appearances in the franchise. This is due to their professions as a fashion [[FanserviceModel model/actress]] and Felicia's [[SpyCatsuit choice of clothing]] as well as being a [[ClassyCatBurglar sexy cat thief]] and a [[FemmeFatale seductress]], it's not surprising.
65** Gwen Stacy is also notable, as the only reason that the Mexican Spider-Man comics from the 1970s are discussed by English speakers [[https://www.reddit.com/r/Spiderman/comments/rx3y5a/in_the_70s_marvel_let_a_mexican_publisher_put_out/ is due to the size of her posterior in those comics]].
66* BrokenBase:
67** Spider-Man's marriage, between those who saw it as the natural evolution of the character to those who think it "ruined him forever". The latter, it's not so much that they didn't like the change that ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' came about, but rather just hated the way they [[DealWithTheDevil went about (un)doing it.]]
68** There's a split regarding whether Spidey should get married again. A debate that's always been there, but got a particularly strong revival during the build up to ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManRenewYourVows''. Although the pro-marriage side is arguably the most vocal, there are plenty of people who are satisfied with a single Spider-Man. There are also people who [[TookAThirdOption take a third option]] and say that just Peter being in a committed relationship with Mary Jane ([[ShipToShipCombat or whoever the supported love interested is]]) would be enough.
69** There's a lot of debate about Peter's portrayal since the launch of ''Brand New Day''. To some people, it refreshed the character, while others think it only reinforced his ManChild status.
70** Among creators and long-time critics, there's the issue of whether Spider-Man is a story about "eternal adolescence" (the ones who argue that the series has been downhill since Stan Lee and Steve Ditko sent him to college and that ideally Spider-Man should never have stopped being a KidHero, or the next-best thing being an eternal 20s guy hanging out with Flash and Harry Osborn like the Romita years) or a story about a young man growing up and changing as the story progresses (having dates, girlfriends, marriages and a family). This debate was actually the reason why Gwen Stacy died to start with (since Creator/GerryConway felt a marriage would age Spidey), later it brought out ComicBook/TheCloneSaga, ComicBook/OneMoreDay. Proponents for the first view like Creator/JoeQuesada argue that the Teen!Spidey provides better potential for stories while being a main part of his original appeal, opponents argue that Spider-Man growing up and changing and taking on new responsibilities was a fundamental part of the story and character, citing in particular "If this be My Destiny-" (the high point of the Lee-Ditko era) which was about Peter going from high school to college while also saying that most of Spidey's best storylines were when he was an adult. This debate increased once characters like Miles Morales were introduced, with opponents claiming that this should be as a compromise as people get a teen Spider-Man while Peter Parker can be allowed to grow.
71** Peter's eternal financial status and his status with the superhero community. Some feel that Peter's only at his best when he's always financially strapped and being the loner, buddy-buddy with teams like the Fantastic Four and the Avengers but never a part of the teams. Others feel that the "always poor Peter" has ran its course and he should be up there with other smart heroes like Tony Stark and Reed Richards and that, with as big as Spidey is in the hero community and the franchise, being part of at least ''one'' team is fair game.
72** "Shed", the storyline where Curt Connors, the Lizard, resolved the question of [[JekyllAndHyde whether his good side could defeat his evil impulses]] with a firm "no." In the process, he did a powerbomb over the MoralEventHorizon by devouring his own son and killing multiple other people, with his "human" side suffering a DeathOfPersonality in the process. It tends to be ranked as either one of the best ''Spider-Man'' stories of the 2010s, or one of the worst. On the one hand, its tone is ''incredibly'' dark and it embodies a lot of hated trends about Modern Age storytelling (revamping a classic villain into a murderous psychopath in gruesome fashion), and many dislike the rather gratuitous violence and implied sexual assault, or just don't like the artwork. On the other, it also boasts a much greater focus on Connors' psychology and moral degradation that gave the issue a good degree of pathos, causing many to argue that it'd ''earned'' that darker style of storytelling (and at least one faction felt that the Lizard's shtick had gotten old and a revamp was long overdue).
73* CharacterRerailment:
74** The entire purpose of ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' was to get Spider-Man single again and make him "young and fresh" again. In order to do this, he was made to make a deal with Mephisto to save his aunt from dying, at the cost of his wife and unborn child, then was reset to being single, "young and fresh", and... living with his elderly aunt again. Safe to say, this [[ThisLoserIsYou didn't work out so well]], but later writers have done their best to salvage it. ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan2018'' is a better attempt at this as it restores some of the development and ethos the books had lost since OMD.
75** Following an encounter with the ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan'' that resulted in her going to jail, the Black Cat decided [[BigBadWannabe to reinvent herself as an up-and-coming mob boss in the New York crime scene]]. This change was controversial, to say the least, and following her roles in ''Venom Inc.'' and ''Defenders'', Felicia pulled a HeelFaceTurn. ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan2018'' also restored her knowledge of Spider-Man's identity, the loss of which some fans had felt regressed Felicia greatly; Spencer seems to agree with them, as he explicitly states in-story that the loss was messing with her head.
76* CrazyIsCool: Jameson once yelled at [[http://www.the-isb.com/images/JJJZilla2.jpg GODZILLA]].
77* CreatorsPet:
78** Carlie Cooper was established in "The Many Loves of Spider-Man" (alongside Gwen, MJ, Felicia, the three canonical ships) ''before their relationship even began''. Initially starting off as a minor character who just happened to have a crush on Peter, later on writers cranked the CharacterShilling up by making MJ being into her supporter. Fans also hated her because she came off as SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute that combined the traits of Deb Whitman, Gwen Stacy and MJ, while also having an [[DependingOnTheArtist inconsistent character design]]. Writers also changed Peter's own character to shill her, such as claiming that they are intellectual equals when Peter had previously broken up with Betty because he didn't want to date girls who saw him as "[[TheSmartGuy just an egghead]]". Even after they broke up, fans don't like how Carlie was inorganically given major plot developments (such as knowing Peter's identity) that many felt was unearned for a new character that wasn't nearly as popular as the remainder of the cast.
79** ComicBook/{{Silk}} was [[RememberTheNewGuy forcibly shoved into Peter's backstory]], immediately and inorganically [[StrangledByTheRedString hooked up with him with zero development]], and has FantasticArousal superpowers that the fanbase refers to as "[[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale date rape powers]]". Despite her unpopularity, the story insists that she's a ''better'' superhero than Peter, being stronger, smarter, and a better fighter despite not having a fraction of his training, experience, or education. When Dan Slott was told fans hated her as a LoveInterest for Peter, he [[DerailingLoveInterests destroyed all his other options]] and had her [[SpotlightStealingSquad suck up scenes]] in ''ComicBook/SpiderVerse''.
80* CreepyAwesome: Jack O'Lantern is a creepy sociopath in patchwork clothing and a flaming pumpkin mask who goes into battle flaying scythes around.
81* DeathOfTheAuthor: Roger Stern is still widely liked and respected as one of the best writers of Spider-Man but a lot of fans have criticized him for his statements saying that Mary Jane wasn't right for Peter and that she had been written into a different character by later writers.[[note]]Although he was far from the first to say something like this, Marv Wolfman had said the same as a justification for why he had Mary Jane PutOnABus.[[/note]] An argument used by Dan Slott and others to defend the Post-OMD status quo, while Stern who wrote a short comic about MJ in ''The Many Loves of Spider-Man'' claimed that he had [[CharacterRerailment rerailed her character]] by making her into a fame-obsessed girl again by [[WriterOnBoard throwing out all the character work done by writers who came after him]]. The problem, as many point out, is that Mary Jane's backstory (having a broken home, guilt about leaving her sister) was all created by Stern himself who first outlined it and hinted at it in "The Daydreamers", even if it was Gerry Conway and Tom [=DeFalco=] who fleshed it out. They along with other writers who followed developed her character based on his work the same way he had built on the work done by earlier writers and many question both his claims when in fact his story repeatedly featured ShipTease between Peter and MJ and likewise showed that both of them have similar yearnings for acceptance and neurosis.
82* DesignatedLoveInterest: Lee and Romita Sr. never properly developed Gwen as a character aside from shilling her (such as fan favorite MJ becoming a shipper and cheer-leader for them, [[HistoryRepeats which writers and editors later had her do for Carlie]]) or having Peter [[InformedAttribute constantly say out loud how much he loves her]] and vice versa. They are never shown going on dates or having any interactions and banter as a couple and the tension Peter had in that relationship was his work as Spider-Man, the death of her father George Stacy, and Peter wondering if he should tell her identity while Gwen would constantly cry and whine whenever he's not around. Even after her death, Peter always remembers her when Goblin killed her and never reminisces or thinks about the relationship they shared, with Creator/JephLoeb's ''ComicBook/SpiderManBlue'' remedying this somewhat (even if it makes numerous continuity mistakes and changes). As noted by [[http://www.chasingamazingblog.com/2012/02/13/reading-experience-gwen/ Mark Ginocchio]]:
83-->Point being that while Peter and Gwen went on to have a very passionate romance in the pages of ASM, I was initially stunned when I was rereading these earlier issues and in one comic Gwen and Peter were just flirting and by ASM #59, Gwen is throwing her arms around him and smooching him in front of her father...Despite the fact that Stan had been teasing this romance for dozens of issues, there still wasn't any real build from "occasional interaction at school" to "going steady."
84* DesignatedMonkey: Mary Jane is practically TropeCodifier for the CreatorsPest: she still remains utterly beloved by the fans but is polarizing among writers and editors (some writers do like her and like writing her). This has been true since Stan Lee and Ditko teased her as the girl Aunt May saw as being Peter's ideal girl and then Lee and John Romita Sr. gave her the iconic introduction. They initially saw MJ as a RomanticFalseLead but she proved far more popular and interesting than Gwen Stacy, while also benefiting from a long buildup and tease unlike Gwen who just showed up when Peter went to college. Lee noted that it was as if the character took a life of her own. Later editors and writers point out that MJ is "too perfect" in that she more or less is Peter's true love, and she's also too big a part of the story (which means they can't just kill her off and have Peter go back to being the quipster like he did when Gwen died) and given that she's a light-hearted and generally cheerful character, killing her off would spoil the mood of the entire series and make it too dark.
85* DieForOurShip: Gwen Stacy. The most toxic participants of the ShipToShipCombat below engage in this behavior, which unfortunately [[ComicBook/TheNightGwenStacyDied did come to pass]].
86* EndingFatigue: The Hobgoblin's story went on for several years with two unmasking teases before picking a character who was already dead to be him (later revealed to be a fake 10 years later).
87* EnsembleDarkhorse:
88** Mr. Negative and Overdrive are the only new villains from ''Brand New Day'' that have managed to become liked by fans, the former for his [[EvilIsCool cool design and demeanor]] and the latter for his AffablyEvil personality and [[HeartIsAnAwesomePower unique use of his power]].
89** The Shocker. A goofy costume, a NonindicativeName (his powers are based on vibration and air blasts, not electricity) and a reputation for being a bit of a joke thanks to outside media and ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan''. Yet thanks to his reputation as an IneffectualSympatheticVillain and his more pragmatic approach to villainy (and perhaps being a big part of the '90s cartoon), fans absolutely love him. So much so that when Marvel ran a poll asking fans to pick the next member of the Thunderbolts, Shocker won quite handily in a poll that included big names like Sandman and Absorbing Man.
90** There's also Sophia Sanduval, aka Chat: Spidey's girlfriend from the ''ComicBook/MarvelAdventures'' Spider-Man series. Generally down to earth, sweet, supportive of Peter/Spidey and a generally likable and entertaining companion; a lot of people consider her one of Peter's best love interests. So much so that when the series was eventually cancelled the biggest lament was that there would be no more Chat.
91** In the latter half of TheNewTens, the rather obscure villain Sauron ([[RoguesGalleryTransplant formerly of the X-Men]], and no, not the ''[[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Lord of the Rings]]'' baddie) [[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/but-i-dont-want-to-cure-cancer-i-want-to-turn-people-into-dinosaurs became a surprisingly popular character]], if for nothing else than the sheer [[EvilIsHammy cartoonish delight]] and single-mindedness he takes in his mission.
92-->'''Spider-Man:''' You can rewrite DNA on the fly, and you're using it to turn people into ''dinosaurs''? [[CutLexLuthorACheck But with tech like that, you could cure]] ''[[CutLexLuthorACheck cancer]]''!
93-->'''Sauron:''' But I don't ''want'' to cure cancer. I want to turn people into dinosaurs.
94** Maybe chalk it up to his general bizarre nature or the UglyCute part, but Morbius has a small fanbase. He even got [[Film/Morbius2022 his own movie!]]
95** Roderick Kingsley is considered by fans to be the ''only'' Hobgoblin [[MagnificentBastard worthy of the title]]. There was mass rejoicing among fans when he was reintroduced into the story and got to take down the [[ReplacementScrappy most recent pretender]] to the throne in the process.
96** Jack O'Lantern is a fairly popular minor villain due to his cool design and [[CreepyAwesome creepy personality.]] This might have even been the reason why he appeared as one of Venom's [[ArchEnemy recurring enemies.]]
97** Max Modell is fairly well-liked for being a great version of TheSmartGuy for the Spiderfamily.
98** Anna Maria Marconi. By far, the most beloved supporting character out of the entire [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManDanSlott Dan Slott run]], and probably the only universally praised thing from ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan''. It helps that her dwarfism is treated with impeccable good taste.
99** Boomerang is surprisingly beloved by fans due to being a hilarious {{Jerkass}} while still managing to be oddly likable and charismatic.
100** Dr. Johnathon Ohnn aka The Spot is regarded as one of Spider-Man's [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain "joke" villains]]. However, many fans find his ability to open warp portals to be one of the most useful powers imaginable and that if written differently could potentially be one of Spider-Man's more dangerous and unpredictable foes.
101** The Thousand tends to be well-remembered by those who read ''Spider-Man's Tangled Web'' for being one of the [[CompleteMonster most monstrous]] and [[BodyHorror horrifying]] villains Spider-Man has ever faced, with many agreeing that he wouldn't be out of place in a horror film due to his [[TheWormThatWalks absolutely nightmarish powers]]. Probably not a surprise that he was created by the infamous Creator/GarthEnnis.
102** Karn, from the ''ComicBook/SpiderVerse'' storyline, is the only Inheritor who managed to become liked by fans, largely for his [[TragicVillain tragic backstory]], fun design, and especially for [[spoiler: [[HeelFaceTurn betraying the other Inheritors]].]]
103** The undeniable breakout star from the 2018 ''ComicBook/SpiderGeddon'' event was Spiders-Man, a [[TheWormThatWalks massive colony of spiders wearing a Spider-Man suit]] who think that they're Peter. An immediate hit with the fans just for the sheer weirdness of that setup alone, he gained even further popularity once the [[IAmAMonster tragic depths]] of his character were fully revealed.
104* EscapistCharacter:
105** Arguably one of, if not THE top reason of why the character became so popular, despite all the {{Deconstruction}}s he's been through. Yeah, his life and luck might suck but he has a cool set of powers, he's smart and because he's an underdog, when Spider-Man does triumph, the victory is all his. For a lot of people, even the drama itself would too, in a SoapOpera kind of way, simply because Peter is a NiceGuy who is beloved by his Aunt May, his wife[=/=]on-and-off girlfriend Mary Jane, and is RespectedByTheRespected (the Fantastic Four, Wolverine, Iron Man, Captain America) and of course he gets to live in New York and claim one the iconic CityOfAdventure as his stomping ground. Even then, Peter is a former nerd who got superpowers and got to date several beautiful women (Betty Brant, Liz, Gwen, MJ, Felicia Hardy), no matter how bad his life gets, real nerds tend to have it way worse than he ever does or ever will.
106** Several critics have argued that the character has become this to the writers even more so than to the reader. Hence why the franchise has gone through so many eras where the character [[RunningTheAsylum pandered to each writer's personal vision of how the character should be]] instead of focusing on delivering a cohesive narrative all to keep up.
107* EvilIsCool: Pretty much everyone in Spidey's RoguesGallery that isn't deliberately made lame for humor, but special mention goes to Venom, Doctor Octopus, Green Goblin, Carnage, Hobgoblin, Kraven, and Kingpin. Electro and Sandman are also this on their better days.
108* FandomEnragingMisconception: Some fans get really upset if you leave out the hyphen and spell it as one word - And it's rather common that non-comic fans do so. [[InvokedTrope This even applies in universe]], as Spidey himself thinks it makes him sound like the Jewish family down the street - ''Honey, let's have the Spidermans over for dinner.'' It's so bad that an episode of ''{{Series/Friends}}'' had Phoebe and Chandler actually discuss this.
109--> '''Chandler''': Because it's not his last name.
110--> '''Phoebe''': It isn't?
111--> '''Chandler''': He's not, like, Phil Spiderman. He's a Spider-''Man''. Like Goldman's a last name, but there's no Gold-Man.
112* FandomRivalry: Spider-Man is without a doubt Marvel's most popular character, even after the MCU brought several characters such as ComicBook/IronMan to mainstream audiances, so it's only natural that some fans will have problems with fans of [[Creator/DCComics DC's]] [[ComicBook/{{Batman}} flagship character]]. While some obviously like both, the insane popularity of the characters means that fans can argue over who is the best superhero.
113* FanNickname: Many of Cindy's detractors sarcastically referred to her "[[FantasticArousal pheromone abilities]]" (which basically make Peter uncontrollably want to have sex with her whenever he's around her) as Cindy having "[[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale The Power of Date-Rape]]" or "My date rape sense is tingling."
114* FanonDiscontinuity:
115** For some, namely [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManDanSlott Dan Slott]], ''Parallel Lives'' is this. Slott argues that the famous {{retcon}} of MJ knowing Peter's identity the whole time raises doubts if MJ fell in love with Peter Parker or with Spider-Man. Many also point out that having MJ know Peter is Spider-Man all along rather than cottoning or figuring it out over time, undersells her own deductive skills and powers of observation. While others feel that this {{Revision}} is necessary given that the main story is told entirely from Peter's perpective, and it lends earlier stories (especially her major moments) with some amount of retroactive RewatchBonus that develops her character, even if it is inconsistent in some stories and bits.
116** Felicia's fans would rather forget about her retconned backstory of being a rape victim in ''ComicBook/SpiderManBlackCatTheEvilThatMenDo''. Her "Queenpin" phase isn't looked back on with much fondness either.
117* FanPreferredCouple: Due to [[ComicBook/SpiderManDeadpool their team-up comic]], a lot of fans ship Peter with Deadpool over his many canon love interests. It doesn't hurt that Wade spends a good deal of said comic flirting with Pete and that they gradually become close friends.
118* FashionVictimVillain:
119** Mysterio's fishbowl has been the source of many a joke. ''Ultimate'' replaces it with flames, and ''[[VideoGame/SpiderManShatteredDimensions Shattered Dimensions]]'' with a distorted mirror.
120** Shocker is brought to you by Serta! Arguably a case of Administrivia/TropesAreNotBad, since his goofy costume is part of why fans love him.
121** Green Goblin's suit hasn't exactly aged well. Some artists ''can'' make it look genuinely creepy or cool, but largely, it's just not that scary looking. Fortunately it got an update during the Creator/MarkMillar run on Marvel Knights Spider-Man (the amount of green is reduced and the suit was made to look more like armour with the familiar mask/cowl). Furthered during the Creator/WarrenEllis Thunderbolts run, which was closer to the original Ditko look but through a realistic lens, and genuinely creepy looking.
122** Doctor Octopus original outfit, while iconic, combines a bad haircut, garish green-and-yellow color scheme, and [[FatBastard portly build]]. Though it's such an iconic look and fitting to his [[{{Gonk}} personality]].
123* FirstInstallmentWins: The landmark first-run of Spider-Man by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko (38 issues and some annuals) remains the most influential and most frequently reproduced period of ''Spider-Man''. There aren't many additions to Spider-Man's RoguesGallery beyond what Lee-Ditko put together (Green Goblin, Dr. Octopus, Sandman, Electro, Vulture, Mysterio, Scorpion, Rhino, Chameleon, Kraven) with Venom and the Kingpin being major exceptions. Spider-Man's supporting cast rarely extends beyond those who were mentioned and featured in this run (Flash, Liz, Betty Brant, Harry Osborn, Gwen Stacy, Mary Jane Watson, Aunt May, Jameson) and most notably, these comics focus on Peter as an ordinary high school student (even if it lasts for 28 issues) which is how he's almost always seen in adaptations. Comics scholars and historians generally rank this the peak of the Spider-Man titles, with it being one of the few superhero titles featured in The Comics Journal all-time 100 Best Comics list. The fact that on account of happening early before he became a corporate brand more than a character, Spider-Man gets to experience organic CharacterDevelopment (going from specky nerd to a more stoic and balanced college-going scientist) that makes them the most satisfying part of the entire era since it had a clear StoryArc and a shift in supporting cast from high school to college that also upped the stakes believably.
124* FleetingDemographicRule: Or as it was called inside the "House of Ideas", "the illusion of change" i.e. the attempt to ensure as Dan Slott puts it, that Spider-Man belongs to every generation rather than the one in which he started with.
125** Creator/GerryConway invoked this when defending Gwen Stacy's death and the status it gave her. Noting that the status it held as Spider-Man's classic love interest who he failed impacted the readership who read her then and not the stories that came before, allowing him to create the illusion of a major status-quo upset that actually didn't change Spider-Man's setting too much:
126--> '''Gerry Conway''': "While Gwen was [[DesignatedLoveInterest his official girlfriend]], for those of us who had followed the character from the very start, she didn't feel like she was that integral to the character...But [[ViewersAreGoldfish to people who had been reading the book for the last five years]], she was [[PeerlessLoveInterest Lois Lane]]."
127** Spider-Man's marriage is a major example where this backfired and the early demographics that fled returned with a vengeance. The audiences who read Spider-Man from the start and had followed Peter's great romance with MJ stopped reading the regular continuity as they grew up and the stories started dragging, by which time MJ had been PutOnABus for 40 issues (still her longest gap after her introduction) and people began turning to Creator/StanLee's newspaper strip ''ComicStrip/SpiderMan'' for catering to the Spider-Man as-they-remembered-it. When Lee decided to have Peter and MJ marry in his strip, the newsmedia, largely ignorant (and probably indifferent) to the current comics continuity brought new attention and readers from largely older fans finally saw this as the big status-quo shake-up they wanted and this led Marvel editors and writers to bring the marriage into regular continuity.
128** This was used as justification by the [[ExecutiveMeddling editors]] for the ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' continuity reboot, under the theory that if they stick to their guns through reader complaints for five years, no one will have enough of an attention span to remember it ever happened. An idea that might have been valid had it been Pre-Internet and if the story they wrote wasn't so badly written and bizarre that nobody would forget that[[note]]For instance the fact that the marriage it retconned was also an editorial event was totally forgotten and unknown to all but the few paltry comics fans mostly because it happened before the Internet and because the wedding issue while considered mediocre for such a major emotional milestone, was still decently written with the fact that the much-teased marriage was actually going to happen being a major shock[[/note]]. Although the post-OMD titles are ten years old and many successful stories were written after that, including an alternate continuity ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManRenewYourVows'' that celebrated the marriage which became a runaway success, the fact is the comic remains fresh in infamy more than 10 years later as one of the all-time worst Spider-Man stories. As successful as Spider-Man remains, the manner in which it happened isn't going to be forgotten any time soon, especially since Spider-Man's marriage was ''liked'' by millennials (kids born in the late 80s and early 90s) since that was the Spider-Man they grew up with (during TheNineties and TheOughties) as opposed to Joe Quesada and other writers who supported it (all boomers or children of boomers).
129* FountainOfMemes: Peter often becomes this when he obtains the symbiote, spawning beloved lines such as [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries SHOCKERRR! YOU CAN'T ESCAPE ME! I'LL CHASE YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH!]]", "[[Film/SpiderMan3 You want forgiveness? Get religion]]" and "[[VideoGame/MarvelsSpiderMan2 Why don't you pop some more pills and say what you're really feeling?]]"
130* FranchiseOriginalSin: Depending on what your views and ideas of Spider-Man are:
131** Many people argue that Spider-Man's original sin was graduating from high school to college. This happened in the original Steve Ditko-Stan Lee run itself, [[GrandfatherClause and as such it remains a fixture of the Amazing titles]] and several of the best stories follow Peter's high school graduation, but many argue that Spider-Man's original concept was that of a teenage and KidHero and that the minute he grew up and graduated to college, it meant that Spider-Man would have to grow up and eventually be responsible rather than still grapple with Uncle Ben's Aesop (which the likes of Joe Quesada mentions is a mostly adolescent problem). The success of the ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan comics (where Peter is a teenager and high school kid and is succeeded by another teenager and high school kid) is cited as a case in point of this argument.
132** A lot of Spidey's [[AudienceAlienatingEra rough periods]] were brought about by the writers or editors becoming too scared of him aging and falling back on old tricks to prevent it. This began with the famous Gwen Stacy death plotline; behind the scenes it happened as a way for writer Creator/GerryConway to resolve the Gwen Stacy romance since she had become too close to Peter and realistically they would eventually marry and settle down which aged up the character considerably. Thing is, Creator/GerryConway was a decent writer and the storyline worked out pretty well, becoming a stunning WhamEpisode that changed the course of the series. When [[Creator/JoeQuesada a later editor]] developed the same fear of aging Peter too much, we got universally reviled storylines and retcons like ''[[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManJMichaelStraczynski Sins Past]]'' and ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay''.
133** More importantly, the death of Gwen Stacy started a trend among Spider-Man writers to kill off long-time supporting cast members largely for shock value without any idea of how to take the story from there. When Conway killed Gwen, it was done with the clear idea that it, coupled with Norman's death, would change the relationships between Peter, Mary Jane, and Harry, and mark an EndOfAnAge for Peter's college era. But later writers killed long-term supporting characters often without any such considerations, resulting in long-term fixtures like Ned Leeds tossed aside on the scrap, followed by Aunt May, Mary Jane and Harry Osborn. These constant deaths of likable interesting supporting characters tended to make Peter's supporting cast smaller and smaller, and made his stories too depressing to read which moreover didn't entirely carry into Spider-Man's CharacterDevelopment (like say having him regress to the alone and bitter teenage version he was) and eventually writers reversed many of these deaths (Aunt May, MJ, and later Harry Osborn) which had the added effect of delegitimizing the mainstream Spider-Man's continuity, even before OMD.
134** Some of the stuff that fans dislike about Dan Slott's run, namely the overuse of RememberTheNewGuy to retroactively insert new characters into Spider-Man's past (Silk being the major sticking point but there are others as well) was done before, to less criticism and some praise by JMS and Brian Michael Bendis. JMS introduced Charlie Weiderman, a never-before-mentioned high school classmate from Peter's Midtown days who goes postal when Peter meets him as an adult. Brian Michael Bendis inserted Jessica Jones into Peter's high school class (and someone who nursed a crush on him). While still mildly criticized at the time, both earlier stories worked because both characters had parallel stories and arcs that only coincided with Peter's rather than being directly tied to his story, his powers, and his mythos[[note]]Weidermann is a Frank Grimes-esque loser who Peter meets as an adult to help him out and his life and time in school had nothing to do with Spider-Man, while Jessica Jones went on to have her stories in her small corner of the Marvel Universe and her absence and obscurity was explained and dealt with[[/note]]. Slott on the other hand piles up a number of unlikely encounters Peter had in his early career that are simply too significant to go unmentioned and the number of people touched and affected by Peter getting bit by the spider, rewrites Peter's mythos from a chance encounter to someone touched by fate and made special.
135* FriendlyFandoms:
136** Spidey fans tend to be close with fans of other street-level New York heroes (Daredevil, Moon Knight, Luke Cage and Iron Fist, etc.) and vice versa. It helps that there's a lot of crossover between said characters in-universe.
137** Spider-Man fans tend to overlap with ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' fans. It helps that Spider-Man historically and especially in recent years is a "fifth Beatle" to the "first family".
138** Spider-Man fans and ComicBook/{{Superman}} fans tend get along well, despite the whole DC vs Marvel thing, perhaps because the [[NiceGuy two]] [[EscapistCharacter heroes]] [[TheDeterminator are]] [[GeniusBruiser so]] [[HappilyAdopted similar]] that you can't really like one and hate the other. Doesn't hurt that the two have had three crossovers to themselves and two company wide crossovers where they both appeared. There's also the fact that both are prominent examples of married superheroes, whose marriage was plagued by writers and editors who wanted to restore a status-quo, with one idea proposed in 2000 more or less foreshadowing what ''One More Day'' ultimately did to Spider-Man[[note]] In 2000, a number of writers for ''ComicBook/{{Superman}}'' including Creator/GrantMorrison, Creator/MarkMillar, and Creator/MarkWaid, pitched an idea for a Superman reboot that would return the character to what [[RunningTheAsylum the writers believed]] [[https://medium.com/@bobproehl/men-of-steel-the-superman-2000-proposal-9044a49ba521 was its roots]]. Their solution...Mr. Mxyzsptlk forces them to bargain their marriage in exchange for saving the world, and Clark and Lois would accept and this would lead to a reboot. It's probably not a coincidence that Mark Waid went on to serve as one of the consulting writers to Creator/JoeQuesada when he planned the reboot in 2005, and went on to write early issues in ''ComicBook/BrandNewDay''. In any case, Superman did get rebooted to a single status in the New 52 relaunch but this was a ContinuityReboot that didn't nullify and erase an existing relationship and love story as opposed to the ContinuitySnarl caused by the CosmicRetcon of OMD.[[/note]]. The two fandoms became the other's sole confidant when the two franchises started facing [[TheUnfavorite the same problems]]. It seems that [[TheCape capes]] gotta look out for each other.
139** Spider-Man fans who prefer Mary Jane over other female leads tend to then be fans who prefer ComicBook/WallyWest as ComicBook/TheFlash, strange as it is. Spidey and The Flash are already largely FriendlyFandoms with one-another thanks to the [[AlternateCompanyEquivalent numerous similarities between the two franchises, right down to even having many similar stories]], but MJ and Wally specifically somewhat mirror one-another, being created for a completely different role (ComicRelief and KidSidekick) but took on a life of their own after a blonde predecessor passed away; they escaped being a ReplacementScrappy thanks to incredibly strong CharacterDevelopment that made them arguably the most iconic character in their specific role. The main bond though tends to be that they were both ''huge'' victims of being CreatorsPest for the editorial in charge of their company, which really began to harm them around 2006-onward, creating some odd Trauma Bonding between the two fandoms. Also, amusingly, both characters are iconic redheads, possibly the most famous red-headed characters in comics.
140** MJ's fandom tends to get along swimmingly with [[ComicBook/Batgirl2009 Stephanie Brown's]]. Both are remarkably similar characters (bubbly, upbeat abuse survivors who come from lower class origins, and are romantically linked with nerdy everyman heroes), and have both been described by their creators as 'taking a life of their own', completely overtaking the role they were originally intended for. Like with Wally, the fact Stephanie Brown is a CreatorsPest for DC also endears her to MJ's fanbase.
141** ComicBook/{{Deadpool}} fans get along well with Spider-Man fans due to both characters beign very witty and humorous, and it helps since Deadpool canonically has a crush on Spidey and the two had a [[ComicBook/SpiderManDeadpool team-up comic]].
142* GrowingTheBeard: Under Robbie Thompson's helm, Silk became one of the good Marvel comics due to its favorable portrayal of Cindy Moon as naive but good-natured hero with ParentalAbandonment.
143* HarsherInHindsight:
144** An issue of the ''Green Goblin'' series had Phil Urich (the heroic GG) being terrorized by apparitions of the Green, Hob, and Demo Goblins, which taunt him by saying that no matter how good he tries to be he's doomed to inevitably go insane and become evil. [[ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan They were right]].
145** The very first annual, published in 1964, features a short story written by Stan Lee and drawn by Steve Ditko revealing the process for creating the series. Lee is portrayed as a BadBoss who dumps the majority of work on Ditko while taking credit for it. It's played for laughs but two years later Ditko would abruptly leave the company and while he never said exactly why he left years later he made it clear that he was sick of Stan Lee taking credit for everything, making it very difficult to find the little comic as funny as it was meant to be. Specifically, Ditko (like Kirby) was offended for the fact that Lee never outright admit that his artists were actually also writing the story, and indeed did far more of it than Stan himself probably did (namely they came up with the plots, the scene breakdowns, the characterization, and in later issues even suggested and indicated dialogues for the scenes which Lee followed when filling in the balloons) albeit Ditko was the only one who actually got credit for plotting the story.
146** Roger Stern's "The Daydreamers" (ASM-246) has a series of characters daydreaming about their [[HerCodeNameWasMarySue idealized fantasy scenarios]] including Mary Jane and Peter. Mary Jane dreams of success and fame as an actress on stage and film but lapses out when she sees her sister goad her for abandoning them, while Peter dreams of being head-hunted by both the Avengers and the Fantastic Four. Both of them [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor get what they wanted eventually]] but it comes at a steep prize, MJ achieves a measure of fame and success but it proves fleeting and her career goes on the skids, while Peter joins the Avengers only for it to wreck his life in ''ComicBook/{{Civil War|2006}}'', and then joins the Fantastic Four [[spoiler:after the death of Johnny Storm]], and his relationships with super-teams sour thanks to ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan''.
147* HeartwarmingInHindsight:
148** The well-known TearJerker of a story "The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man" famously revolves around Spider-Man visiting a sick fan in the hospital. In RealLife, Spidey actor Creator/TomHolland has actually done this on multiple occasions, almost making for a {{Defictionalization}} of sorts.
149** Aunt May and Aunt Anna's match-making of Peter and MJ is already sweet now anyway given where it lead, but ''Parallel Lives'' also casts some extra tingles thanks to establishing that while Peter didn't see MJ until years later, MJ ''had'' seen Peter and ''was'' interested in him, though her insecurities kept her from seeking him out on her own. Their matchmaking was actually them recognising MJ's crush and trying to help her.
150* HilariousInHindsight:
151** Creator/SteveDitko's comments disapproving of Creator/StanLee's original pitch for Green Goblin being an Egyptian Mummy-cursed demon becomes even more funny when you realize how it prophesied and anticipated fan and writer complaints about Mephisto in ''One More Day'' and [[EveryoneHasStandards how even the famously eccentric and reclusive]] co-creator understood the basic trappings of Spidey's world:
152--> '''Creator/SteveDitko''': "A mythological demon made the whole Peter Parker/Spider-Man world a place where [[VoodooShark nothing is metaphysically impossible]]."
153** When the ''Spider-Man'' character started getting popular in the comics, a stunt double for Wrestling/ElSanto's movies started as "Spider Man", as a gimmick, for kids attending [[Wrestling/{{CMLL}} EMLL]] shows. Not much came of it, but then he became one of Mexico's most successful luchadors of all time with the "Black Man" gimmick he used in LLIUWA. Then comic book Spider-Man started wearing a black suit.
154** In one issue, Spider-Man is on trial and when asked why Jameson might hate him, he jokes that it's because he's black. Then came ''Ultimate Fallout''...
155** #304 of ''Amazing Spider-Man'' features a brief scene where Peter and Mary Jane visit Disneyland, decades before Disney would go on to purchase Marvel. Even more amusing, Spidey and other Marvel heroes are now characters that can be met at Disney parks.
156** In #308, Spidey goes to a cemetery with the word that it's home to someone who's been plotting revenge against him, with him sarcastically wondering for a moment if Film/{{Beetlejuice}} is the mastermind with a grudge against him. 29 years later, guess [[Creator/MichaelKeaton whose actor]] ends up playing the villain of Spider-Man's [[Film/SpiderManHomecoming new film]]?
157** During one team up with Ghost Rider, Spidey mentions that maybe Ghost Rider start driving a car instead of a motorcycle. Flashforward a few years later and we get introduced to [[ComicBook/AllNewGhostRider Robbie Reyes]]...
158** In ''Amazing Spider-Man'' #296, Dr. Octopus has a nightmare where he sees everyone dressed as Spider-Man exclaiming "Spider-People! A-all over the place!" Fast forward to the 2010's, where there are spider-themed heroes all over the place.
159** Before her SignatureScene where she was fully introduced, Mary Jane tended to make appearances with [[TheFaceless her face obscured or out-of-panel so as not to be visible to the reader]], often by an item in the foreground. Another attractive redheaded character in superhero media, Sara Bellum of ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' would later have this as a ''constant'' character trait.
160** In issue 3 of her 90s miniseries, ''Felicia Hardy: The Black Cat'', [[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/CLdhCbHT5RyFEvQjeHfP8u2RbGqzkcZeLixsfciy72Hli96qfUILpHshU25qBZUWOcwaObI44EJd_AGkTC0ZWrgvEGaqQnJfsX0KNJzpv92Twg8bQH7I0K3KftOnRrHNlQCorg=s0 Felicia makes the quip]], "Sorry, was "snap, crackle and pop too much of a baby boomer reference for you? ". With the rise of the "okay, boomer" meme, Felicia mocking someone for not understanding a baby boomer reference is pretty funny.
161* HoYay: Peter's success with the ladies doesn't surprise anyone, but he also has a great amount of chemistry with the other men:
162** Harry Osborn: Their relationship is one of the most intense (and the various adaptations usually keeps that, see the Raimi and Webb movies as well as Insomniac's games). They quickly warm up to each other at university and very quickly start sharing a flat, comfortably [[https://64.media.tumblr.com/4f4668debb7a5d7e62686b0813489f32/88dd366a22c07ce3-e7/s1280x1920/5b92b35a1722b97c4194d48d4b075a1e895b0fd4.pnj changing]] around [[https://64.media.tumblr.com/f7c3e3b2773ebf6541917879ea394e7f/915aed45fb942767-8d/s2048x3072/a9a194d9aaa233d1e4a9b43767f36a3f7d23d26d.pnj each]] [[https://64.media.tumblr.com/0a10110c50af344b811038718abf3004/915aed45fb942767-01/s1280x1920/73576bb1eb411ceeb10fd8d7a50f8e01754f1abc.pnj other]] and being all [[https://64.media.tumblr.com/145ee94178878cc441da4c0ff490dec8/32267db21110a65f-2e/s1280x1920/fbd52bbe1e7d4a7f439dc1e9b2fafc793a24a36b.pnj touchy-feely]] (did somebody ask for a [[https://64.media.tumblr.com/0bc1d78910f6eb7904c5a5ab3d977466/e68c9c5528eb2231-1f/s2048x3072/132d67915310cfde05a5dfadc3b60b0e517d7ed5.pnj bridal carry]]?). Peter always tries to hide the content of his ''closet'' (which actually contains his Spider-material) from him, and when Harry [[spoiler:becomes the Green Goblin after his father's death]], Peter keeps trying to help him. It reaches its apex around Spectacular Spider-Man #200, where their relationship is so intense that it seems like they might kiss at any moment. The recent Edge of Spider-Geddon #4 also offered a universe where their relationship is very close to romance.
163** Flash Thompson: As with most of Peter's relationships with other men, it borders on Foe Yay. The both of them are very [[https://64.media.tumblr.com/346917dc974f665737ffe1801968e4a9/da44bb54228f1fd4-d8/s500x750/5e90c4ce58808c9ecc28d5538c1d3c8d526f7984.pnj antagonistic]] towards each other, but eventually show that they care for each other. 'And they're roommates at one point.'
164** Norman Osborn: Mostly on Norman's part, but his infatuation with Peter has always been suspect, and only became worse whenever he remembered Peter was Spider-Man. Highlights include [[https://www.tumblr.com/measuringbliss/713246311398473728?source=share ASM #40]]'s BDSM imagery (Are you having fun keeping a young man strapped tight to a chair in revealing clothes, Norman?) and SSMM #2, which is brilliantly summarized in the animated 1996 series as seen [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvPuKJHJqMc here]].
165** The Human Torch/Johnny Storm: They keep bickering, but they're very close [[https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/1/18863/2325543-ff_17.png indeed]].
166* InformedWrongness: The aforementioned issue about MJ knowing who Spider-Man is, which Dan Slott believes taints their relationship, and had Peter verbalise in the comics. However, why this is a bad thing is somewhat flawed; the idea seems to be that it means she's ''only'' attracted to him ''because'' she knows his secret identity, but if that was the case, why is that a bad thing? In-universe, he's not a well-regarded hero thanks to the smear campaign he's victim of so it's not as if she's attracted to him for the celebrity factor, but the fact he's a selfless, self-sacrificing and heroic person who regularly does a dangerous, unrewarding job without any compensation, purely because he thinks it's the right thing to do, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to like in a man. She also knows him personally beyond that, and is shown to find him funny, charming, and admire his intelligence, so it's not as if she doesn't find the 'Peter Parker' side of his person attractive too (in contrast to Felicia Hardy), but the idea that it's ''wrong'' to find Spider-Man ''specifically'' attractive is a murky idea when you compare how similar criticism isn't thrown at anyone who dates a hero with an open identity (such as Betty Ross and Bruce Banner/The Hulk, Linda Park and Wally West/The Flash, Steve Trevor and Diana/Wonder Woman, etc), and really acknowledge that it's not any different than admiring a paramedic for their bravery.
167* IronWoobie: If it's one thing that Spider-Man and his supporting cast share is a tendency to pick themselves up after being knocked down.
168** Spider-Man himself of course. He undergoes a lot of baggage and trauma, has few outright victories, and very little of his CharacterDevelopment actually sticks and lasts for long.
169** This also applies to many of his supporting cast who have had their share of hard knocks visited on them. Most notably Aunt May widowed ([[spoiler:and in recent comics, a second time]]) and made into a single guardian of her young nephew despite her failing health and her own share of adventures remaining warm and comforting to Peter. As she once told Peter, the family motto is "Parkers don't quit".
170** Mary Jane Watson who had a bad childhood and scrapped her way to a measure of success, and goes further than any of Peter's girlfriends in helping him live his double life despite the hardships and struggles it brought her.
171** Flash Thompson who went from college JerkJock to committed soldier, to cripple, and a man whose fortitude ends up making Venom into a good guy and later atones for his past by becoming Peter's true friend and [[spoiler:dies in a HeroicSacrifice]]. One thing that has always been true, Flash Thompson right from the beginning, even when he railed on Peter, was Spider-Man's number one fan.
172* ItWasHisSled:
173** Everyone nowadays knows that Norman Osborn was the original Green Goblin.
174** Also, Gwen Stacy dies.
175** A bit less well known, but if you've heard of ''Amazing Spider-Man'' #248's famous story, "The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man", then you probably already know that Timothy Harrison, the kid in question, is dying of leukemia, and meeting Spidey was his last wish.
176** The ending of ''Dying Wish'' is now a well known fact, largely because of how big and controversial the following relaunch is and the fact that ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan'' is openly advertised as Dr. Octopus in Spider-Man's body.
177* JerkassWoobie:
178** In the comics and most incarnations, Harry Osborn serves the role as this. He’s always an son of a megalomaniac supervillain and he’s constantly caught in the crossfire between his father and his best friend.
179** Black Cat, Dr. Octopus, Eddie Brock, even the Venom symbiote.
180** J. Jonah Jameson (DependingOnTheWriter).
181** Scorpion may be a criminal asshole but he was manipulated and used as a tool in Jameson’s irrational vendetta against Spider-man. And if that’s not enough Spidey seems to pick on the guy way more than he usually does to his rogues even though he’s not the most evil or even the weakest of Spider-mans enemies. He can never get respect despite being very dangerous and Spider-man goes out of his way to insult him for no other reason other than that he thinks he’s a loser. He’s even been bullied by the rest of the supervillain community as a result.
182** Kingpin has countless crimes to his name, but his life is equally miserable. He's tried to get out of his life of crime more than once, only to get pulled back in. The wife and son he loved have both tried to kill him, and later died. He later managed to find a new wife and family, and then he lost them too.
183* LesYay:
184** Aunt May and Anna Watson (MJ's aunt) are naturally the OG lesbians here. Anna debuts in ASM #15 and both ladies immediately get along well. May goes to Peter's graduation with Anna in #28, the two of them spend quite a while scheming so that Peter meets MJ, then [[https://64.media.tumblr.com/a00eb902c40a6060dd9b6a54dcc21108/1dee702c1f9c29fc-81/s1280x1920/c563688cd41e1ade6644eed32c2ad1718e0f7156.pnj they become roommates]] (it seems to be a trend). They both travel to Florida for a few issues from #72 on. Anna appears almost always with May, and they [[https://www.tumblr.com/measuringbliss/691046066071732224/lesbians?source=share constantly]] hold each other.
185** In ASM #127-128, it's all but stated that Gloria Jenkins and Christine Murrow were in a relationship (not helped by [[https://64.media.tumblr.com/d63563637c2fcfc1353b188a58d8f4a4/a2e680516c6d2707-96/s2048x3072/6b8e202560ec3a85aef6545c47e009a4c318db80.pnj Christine's]] career look and short haircut).
186** Anya Corazon With Rikki Barnes aka Nomad. Especially since it’s revealed that Rikki is bisexual.
187*** Some fans see this with her roommate, Rocky Flint.
188*** There's also a section of fans who ship her with Mayday Parker, due to the way the ''Spider-Girls'' miniseries wrote the pair; which they felt paralleled the Peter and Mary Jane from Spiderling's universe.
189** Silk's {{fangirl}}ing around [[VideoGame/MarvelFutureFight Luna Snow]] can make it seem like Silk has a crush on her.
190* LoveToHate:
191** This was the major part of J. Jonah Jameson's appeal among his fandom. Even if fans dislike his rants against Spider-Man and for his asinine accusations, he has such energy, gumption, style, and legitimate virtues (work ethic, courage, and a NobleDemon moral code) that fans honestly wouldn't have him any other way.
192** Boomerang. He's a [[{{Jerkass}} massive douchebag]] who will sell out anyone just for a quick buck, but he's so [[LaughablyEvil hilariously dick-ish]] and charismatic that fans love him for it.
193** Norman Osborn can be this when he's written correctly or not being {{Flanderized}} in any way, being Spider-Man's [[ArchEnemy greatest enemy]] who will do whatever he can to make the wall-crawler's life miserable.
194** Carnage is an AxCrazy SerialKiller and is widely seen as Spider-Man's [[CompleteMonster most evil enemy]], yet he's so [[LaughablyEvil entertaining]] that most readers tend to enjoy his presence.
195* MandelaEffect: Spider-Man is often misremembered as "Spiderman" or "[=SpiderMan=]" without the hyphen.
196* MemeticLoser:
197** Spider-Man himself of course has this reputation both InUniverse and in comics. InUniverse he's seen as the ButtMonkey who incredibly humiliating and embarrassing stuff happens to due to his bad luck, while among comics lore he's remembered as the guy who finds love but ends up either getting his lovers killed (Gwen Stacy) or bartering their relationship to the devil.
198** Shocker, thanks to his IneffectualSympatheticVillain status. He even gets this InUniverse with both heroes and villains [[ButtMonkey constantly making jokes at his expense.]]
199** Hydro-Man is infamous for [[NiceJobFixingItVillain constantly sabotaging his own victories]]. It's expounded by the fact that his power/gimmick (hydrokinesis) is ''insanely'' useful, so the only excuse he really has for constantly losing is incompetence. To give you an idea of how bad it is, the Podcast/RiffTrax crew uses his name as a by-word for stupid and self-defeating villains.
200** Mysterio used to get this quite a bit due to the constant jokes about his [[MemeticMutation "bubble head"]]. However, these jokes have started to die down due to most authors nowadays drawing his helmet to look less ridiculous and more visually appealing.
201** Scorpion gets this due to his rather large VillainDecay, ridiculous-looking costume, and Spider-Man almost going out of his way to make fun of him. Similar to Shocker, he even gets this status InUniverse. The writers became aware of this and tried to pull Scorpion out of this trope by turning him into the next Venom. [[ReplacementScrappy It backfired.]]
202* MemeticMolester:
203** Norman Osborn is the AnthropomorphicPersonification of the Amber Alert. He has a very... [[NoYay interesting]] relationship with Peter, to put it mildly... plus basically everyone else he comes into contact with.
204** Venom. In one of the animated adaptations, he once attacked Spider-Man from behind, wrapping his arms around him and yelling "Surprise!" Doesn't help that the symbiote's main power is forming [[NaughtyTentacles tentacles]] on command.
205* MisaimedFandom: Inevitable when you have a bunch of old dudes write about teenagers and young adults and young romance in a period when the youth and their tastes were changing widely:
206** Stan Lee said that MJ was intended by him to be a joke character, i.e. the girl Peter was dodging was literally [[WorldsMostBeautifulWoman the most beautiful woman in comics at the time]] but after Ditko left and Romita appeared and driven by their need to update some of the dynamics for a new generation, they made MJ into a '60s sexually liberated girl that they saw, and expected their readers to see, as flighty, irresponsible, and a red herring for Peter who would then settle with Gwen (now reconfigured into a more demure and elegant type even if Ditko made her into a "man-eater" type originally). Most of the young readers saw a girl who was closest to them in sensibility (especially since she liked both Peter and Spider-Man), who was outgoing and extroverted and who weren't all that upset about her "irresponsibility". As such MJ became popular and the preferred pairing with Peter much to Lee's bemusement and surprise.
207** MJ's backstory (i.e. a child from a broken home[[note]]It was left ambiguous for how long she had known and it was Gerry Conway who said that she had known from the night of Uncle Ben's death[[/note]] which first showed in pages in 1984 (three years before the decision to have her and Peter marry) was intended by Roger Stern who conceptualized it (later introduced by his successor Tom [=DeFalco=] to Stern's satisfaction[[note]]In his short comic written Post-OMD on MJ in ''The Many Loves of Spider-Man'', he used Defalco's flashbacks and material[[/note]]) as a ShipSinking, explaining why MJ never accepted Peter's proposal, and why she wasn't marriage material (since she had psychological baggage about the failure of her parents and her sister's marriage and wasn't keen on continuing the cycle) and that she and Peter would be BetterAsFriends. Stern also saw this as ShipSinking without derailing her character by giving her a sympathetic and understandable motivation so that people could see BothSidesHaveAPoint about why they wouldn't work as a couple, while also allowing MJ to become Peter's close friend and confidant. What the story ended up doing was confirming many of her fans' ideas about HiddenDepths, showed her to be just as flawed and nuanced as Peter (especially Stern's "The Daydreamers" where both she and Peter have similar fantasies about instant success and glory that get punctured by their own neurosis). The new backstory also made MJ Peter's foil, and the friendship between made them more and more compatible and only intensified their chemistry. Once the decision had been taken to have them married, most audiences felt that it was natural and in-keeping with their CharacterDevelopment.
208** ''Spider-Man vs. Wolverine #1'', a key story published in nearly the same time by Creator/ChristopherPriestComics, a writer who disliked MJ as a character and was opposed to their marriage, had Peter and MJ discuss his recent adventure with plenty of intense scenes and chemistry between them, including a moment where Peter kisses her on reflex. All the while the captions repeatedly insist to readers that SheIsNotMyGirlfriend. The end result is that people ended up liking them even more. Priest, in a 2018 Podcast at Amazing Spider-Talk {{Lampshaded}} this, noting that his intention was to communicate why it was an impossible love, but the romantic tension there ultimately helped sell the marriage that came a few months later, which he opposed. Priest compared it to the T'Challa and Storm romance which he had discussed for a brief issue as another impossible love but which again led to the marriage between the two.
209** Another problem on the whole was that once Spider-Man became a tri-monthly title, the second series such as ''Peter Parker, the Spectacular Spider-Man'' (later just Spectacular Spider-Man until the end of V.1) and ''Web of Spider-Man'' which had more character focused LowerDeckEpisode tended to provide more nuanced takes on Mary Jane than the main title and yet both were canonical. So WriterRevolt meant that Mary Jane who in the main title callously rejected Peter's proposal, in the second title, offered a more sympathetic take while also confirming that she deeply loved Peter. New writing teams as a rule tended to follow the main series continuity and scant the second series (and historically the latter are still overshadowed) even if the latter was canonical. So in a single month you would read stories where MJ's portrayal varies DependingOnTheWriter.
210* {{Misblamed}}:
211** A lot of fans tend to blame the writers who followed Roger Stern's run, namely Tom [=Defalco=] and Creator/PeterDavid for ruining his Hobgoblin StoryArc. While obviously the nature of the execution of the denouement at the hands of later writers is on them, the fact is that they inherited a mess Stern gave them. Stern created the Hobgoblin without a set idea on who the identity was and it was only after a while he decided on Roderick Kingsley. He intended to stretch out a mystery in imitation of the Norman Osborn reveal from ''[[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManLeeAndDitko The Amazing Spider-Man]]'' and threw in many RedHerring and then he left and stepped down without wrapping up his own story. He told Defalco his plans but also consented that he and other writers could change the culprit if they so wished. This led to the famous ContinuitySnarl of the mystery as later writers stretched it beyond its breaking point until finally editors decided to clear house for a plot that had become ArcFatigue. Some of the elements which Stern used to clear up the mystery such as [[spoiler:Roderick having an identical twin Daniel]] which he claimed to have already set up and hinted at before were in fact not established at all.
212** While long-term fans in general prefer the marriage, there are some who defend the OMD retcon feeling that it ended Spider-Man's AudienceAlienatingEra in TheNineties. The truth is that the period after the marriage (1987-1993) was followed by generally acclaimed and respected creative runs by the likes of J. M. [=DeMatteis=] and David Michelinie, and to the extent that there were problems (Venom becoming WolverinePublicity and Carnage being a GenericDoomsdayVillain), it was more down to writers following on '90s trends (and which were in any case commercially successful). The real dork age began with the Clone Saga and the period after that, both of which are blamed on the marriage when in fact those stories were created to end it and return to the old status-quo. The other problem is the fact that Marvel rarely tried to engage new and young talent to write Spider-Man (as for instance it did when Creator/GerryConway and Creator/PeterDavid started out) and most of the writers were on the older side having started reading comics in their youth in the '70s, when in fact the marriage was popular and generally liked by the millennial generation who grew up on it, with the marketing aimed at returning Spider-Man for a new generation specifically ignoring the opinions of the current one.
213** Since the most well-known or rather proverbial and famous version of ''The Clone Saga'' is the one in TheNineties, and it claimed that they were picking up a dangling thread from the story from TheSeventies, many blame the KudzuPlot of the latter on the first saga and for its decision to pull an AmbiguousCloneEnding. The fact is as anyone who read the first story or re-reads it can tell you is that the original clone saga gave an ironclad reason why Peter was the real deal at the end and there was never any ambiguity intended by writer or perceived by the readers, and the entire premise of the second clone saga is a giant bizarre {{retcon}} and comical misreading to start with. For one thing, the first clone saga was published in 1976, and for nearly twenty years in-between, characters like the Jackal and so on were forgotten and buried; to a large extent it was a plot point entirely forgotten about by most comics fans and general readers until TheNineties revived it. Creator/GerryConway's first clone saga began as a response to the backlash of Gwen Stacy's death and was commissioned by Creator/StanLee as a backdoor to potentially bring her back[[note]]Since Conway wanted to develop Mary Jane and Peter as ''the'' love story of the series, he wrote the story as a {{Deconstruction}} of fans not being able to deal with death, fixating on DoppelgangerReplacementLoveInterest and otherwise liking Gwen just because she died (as Conway pointed out in interviews hardly anyone has a shred or clue how she really was like as a character when she was alive and largely fetishize her for her death) which he illustrated in the villain Jackal who was a stand-in for, to use a modern phrase, "salty Gwen fans" and painting their stand-in as a creepy necrophiliac professor.[[/note]]. The climax where the villain Jackal summons a clone of Spider-Man to fight the real Spider-Man illustrated this since the clone, like all of Jackal's clones are fixated on the past, on Gwen, and as such are incapable of true growth and change, and it was established that Miles built the clones after Gwen's death. The reason Peter knew he was the real deal was because since he had moved on and was now in love with Mary Jane, he couldn't be the clone otherwise he'd be stuck in the past. It was fundamentally an action-comic metaphor and plot point to illustrate the love story of Peter and Mary Jane, which also made a larger point about grief, toxic nostalgia, and thinking about the future and not the past. The second clone saga practically ignored this, and the entire role of Gwen's death in the motivation leading up to it, and it ended up proving, on account of the writer's motivations for going back to the days of "single Pete" the same mentality of toxic nostalgia that the first one was deconstructing.
214** Joe Quesada tends to get blamed for nearly every bad thing that's happened to Spider-Man in recent years, largely because he ''was'' responsible for the infamous ''One More Day'' and is an executive producer on ''WesternAnimation/MarvelsSpiderMan'' as well as making a CreatorCameo (the first time any Spider-Man line-editor has been given this privilege other than Stan the Man himself). The reality is that Quesada was EIC, while still having some influence and say, is himself answerable to Marvel's financial executives and others. The decision to end Peter's marriage with Spider-Man was as much a corporate decision and directive that editors after Creator/JimShooter (who largely did it because of spontaneous audience reception rather than thinking of Spider-Man as a brand) were also trying to do, and it was something that in all probability would have happened with any other EIC. Of course the specific deal-with-the-devil thing was still very much his idea. It's also lost on fans that Quesada oversaw ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManJMichaelStraczynski'' which did produce, in most fans' views, some of the best moments in their relationship. He also oversaw Creator/MattFraction's "To Have and to Hold" (in Sensational Spider-Man Annual #1) which is seen by many fans and critics as not only the best story of the couple, but one of the all-time greatest Spider-Man stories (and it was nominated for an Eisner award), and most notably according to Nick Spencer himself, the decision to [[spoiler:bring them back together]] in his run was suggested by old JQ himself. Quesada also continued reviving ''ComicBook/SpiderGirl'' in multiple titles despite low sales and several cancellations, and often said that he saw that as the natural progression for their relationship.
215* MoralEventHorizon:
216** The murder of Gwen Stacy is almost universally agreed to be when Norman crossed it, and perhaps the second most infamous murder in Spidey's history (following Uncle Ben's demise). It was extremely jarring to readers at the time because it was the [[DefiedTrope permanent death]] [[LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt of a main character]].
217** In ''ComicBook/BrandNewDay'', [[spoiler:The Lizard ate Connors' son]].
218** For Doc Ock, [[spoiler:trying to destroy 90% of the world so the remaining ten percent will remember him as the greatest monster that ever lived, and then successfully managing to [[FreakyFridayFlip swap minds with Peter]], leaving Peter trapped in his crippled body as he runs free with all of Peter's memories, allowing him to restart his relationship with MJ and live his life without anyone being any the wiser.]]
219* MyRealDaddy:
220** On account of the Marvel Method (whereby the artists not only drew the issue but essentially created the entire plot and story out of a brief synopsis with Creator/StanLee writing the dialogues after the art is done), there's an entire culture industry dedicated to sorting out Creator/StanLee's contributions from that of Creator/SteveDitko and John Romita Sr. Steve Ditko for instance was the only one of Lee's collaborator to get story credit and according to Lee himself by the final ten issues, Ditko was plotting on his own without any synopsis or outline from him. The iconic "Master Planner" story arc is largely Ditko's work rather than Lee's, including what many consider Spider-Man's greatest feat of lifting the machinery which covered him. The exact origins of the concept, i.e. the name, the group of spider-powers, Peter's origin are even more convoluted with much RashomonStyle, but it's generally agreed that ''Amazing Fantasy #15'' is mostly Lee's work, while it was Ditko who entirely designed Spider-Man's costume, and that of his RoguesGallery. This came to a head in 2021, when Ditko's estate sued Marvel for ownership of Spider-Man and Doctor Strange, effectively claiming that Ditko had been their real creator and that Stan Lee had stolen the credit from him.
221** John Romita Sr. largely defined and shaped Peter's social circle. Thanks to him, Harry Osborn is seen as Peter's best friend, MJ and Gwen are seen as Peter's two most iconic LoveInterest (eclipsing Betty Brant and Liz Allan), and even Norman Osborn is often adapted into a flawed but likable man who is made crazy based on his own revisions namely giving Noman EasyAmnesia where he forgets he's the Goblin when Lee and Ditko established both Norman and Goblin as equally terrible people. Most notably, Romita Sr.'s redesign of Peter remains his default look in the comics to this day, while also inspiring his look in ''Ultimate Marvel, The Amazing Spider-Man Series'' and ''Spider-Man [=PS4=]'' and most cartoon adaptations.
222** Creator/GerryConway famously dropped Gwen off the bridge, made Harry Osborn into Peter's RivalTurnedEvil and the second Green Goblin, and he made Peter and MJ into an OfficialCouple for the first time. Conway also made Professor Miles Warren into the Jackal and wrote the first Clone Saga, making him the, entirely unintentional, ancestor of the most notorious KudzuPlot in Spider-Man history. His side-stories for ''The Spectacular Spider-Man'' which developed Robbie Robertson (who had already been made prominent in Conway's ASM run) also developed him further. He also created Tombstone in that run, who has gone on to become a popular second-string villain.
223** [=DeMatteis=]' work on Kraven and his kids has clearly influenced every subsequent story about the character. His work on Harry Osborn has likewise proven influential and this portrait informed his portrayal in cartoon and live-action adaptations.
224** Creator/BrianMichaelBendis has had perhaps the biggest impact on Spider-Man since the classic era. He authored ''Ultimate Spider-Man'' the most successful and critically liked take on Spider-Man in the Ultimate series, and he later wrote Spider-Man in the 616 Continuity, most notably in ''ComicBook/NewAvengers'' having Peter become a Marvel-wide superhero in a big way, establishing Iron Man as Peter's father figure and/or BigBrotherMentor (when originally Iron Man started as Peter's junior in the early issues). Bendis also co-created ''ComicBook/MilesMorales'' (with Sara Pichelli), Spider-Man's most popular and successful LegacyCharacter who has since become a CanonImmigrant.
225** As much as fans hated how she was written under Slott's pen, a lot of fans have expressed interest and enjoyment at Robbie Thompson and Stacey Lee's handling of Silk in her ongoing. It largely helps that it develops her as a character with a relatable personality focusing on her anxiety issues and phasing out her pheromone connection to Spider-Man (and, by extension, phasing her out of Slott's book).
226** ''The Hunter Revealed'' addressed most of the criticisms associated with every comic Arana had been in prior, so fans wished Tania Del Rio had been given a run with the character, given a blank book to do whatever she wanted with, approached by Marvel in the first place when they wanted to create a new character, ect rather than simply being called in to tie up the loose ends and leave Arana in a more attractive position for future writers.
227** Even though her use of her was short -just five issues-, Creator/KellySueDeConnick's story in ''Avengers Assemble'' with Anya as the protagonist was well received by critics and fans alike, leading to a demand for a ongoing with [=DeConnick=] as the writer. It helped that this was many readers' introduction to Anya after being in ComicBookLimbo for nearly 4 years.
228** Writer Chris Yost solidified Kaine's characterization as a snarky JerkWithAHeartOfGold with a propensity for [[SymbolSwearing #?$%!]] profanity.
229** Ditko, Lee, and Romita created Mary Jane Watson and defined her basic background (really attractive next-door neighbor that Aunt May believed would make a good couple with Peter), with Romita Sr. designing her final appearance, but Creator/GerryConway was the one who believed that she really had to have HiddenDepths and not be the flake that Peter, his friends, and readers saw her (as otherwise there should be no reason for Aunt May to believe MJ would be good for Peter). While Conway never defined her background, he highlighted the loneliness in her party girl facade, her compassion, and her warmth and he was the first one to write her and Peter as a couple. After Conway left for a while, he returned in TheEighties and wrote the ''Parallel Lives'' graphic novel.
230** Tom [=DeFalco=] was the one who wrote the issue where MJ reveals that she knows Peter is Spider-Man, and he was the one who wrote her family background dealing with her troubled childhood as well as the issues setting up the marriage, when she accepts Peter's proposal. However, he drew on details and ideas suggested by Marv Wolfman (who revealed in Issue #192, that her parents were divorced) and especially Creator/RogerStern (who implied that Mary Jane had a broken home and in Issue #246, in a daydream sequence introduces her sister Gail and her children and buried guilt about her past), which is ironic as both Wolfman and Stern have gone on record to state that they were highly opposed to Mary Jane's CharacterDevelopment and eventual marriage to Peter that this helped bring about.
231** Brian Michael Bendis and Mark Bagley's take on Ultimate Mary-Jane has also proven influential even if Ultimate MJ differs significantly from classic MJ in a lot of respects (no longer being the spacey Party Girl that has been an artifact since TheSixties and so they updated it to someone who was interested in journalism), albeit also proving that Peter could be in a relationship with her and still be a superhero. Their design of MJ also made her look beautiful but more homely, dialing down the "unattainable goddess" aspect that made many believe she was "too perfect for Peter". This inspired her turn in ''VideoGame/SpiderManPS4''.
232** Created by Marv Wolfman and Keith Pollard, the characteristics that Black Cat is now known for, an amoral sexy cat burglar who loves Spider-Man but dislikes Peter Parker was more or less created by Creator/RogerStern and Creator/BillMantlo. The latter wrote what is considered the best story arc Felicia was involved in (The Owl/Octopus War) and the famous issue (''Spectacular Spider-Man'' #87) where Peter reveals his identity to her and she rejects the man behind the mask wishing for her idealized man instead.
233** Doctor Octopus is an iconic villain by Ditko and Lee without a question, but the more common idea of Dr. Octopus in modern versions and adaptations: the idea of Dr. Octopus being Peter's ShadowArchetype and having a sympathetic and tragic backstory was entirely created by Creator/TomDeFalco who also established briefly Otto and Peter potentially being "science bros". These aspects filtered in ''Film/SpiderMan2, VideoGame/SpiderManPS4, ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan''.
234* {{Narm}}: Spidey himself flies past LargeHam and straight into this in the first issue of ''Marvel Knights Spider-Man'', during his fight with the Green Goblin. "'''WHO'S YOUR DADDY NOW, MR. OSBORN?! WHO'S YOUR DADDY NOW?!'''"
235* NarmCharm: As much as fans make fun of Mysterio’s costume, the fishbowl helmet especially, it is also seen as a strong part of the characters' appeal since it fits his hammy, over-the-top gloryhound nature. There is a strong contingent of fans who love the costume - fishbowl, cape, jumpsuit and all - and wouldn't have him any other way. These fans were thrilled when ''Film/SpiderManFarFromHome'' translated his costume very faithfully and made it work in live action.
236* NeverLiveItDown:
237** Peter's {{Wangst}}y behavior after the first "Clone Saga", and Mary Jane leaving him and turning down his marriage proposal are pretty minor parts to their characters, yet the first ends up being an overly cited problem with Spidey books, while the second is probably one of the causes for Mary Jane's status as a BaseBreakingCharacter for one generation of comics readers.
238** The infamous scene where Venom was defeated by Spidey using a Zippo lighter. The writer ''probably'' meant for the scene to involve Spidey starting a big fire, playing off Venom's established weakness to extreme heat, but the art failed to convey this. As a result, this fight tends to be cited a lot when people believe Venom is experiencing VillainDecay.
239** Despite having been vastly improved under the writing of Robbie Thompson, Silk may ''never'' get to live down the awful first impression she left on readers after she threatened to rape Peter.
240* NewerThanTheyThink:
241** "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" was originally part of the captions of ''Amazing Fantasy #15'' but it wasn't attributed to Uncle Ben until 1987, 25 years later. The first writer to do so was Creator/ChristopherPriestComics in his one-shot "Spider-Man Vs. Wolverine #1''.
242** Spider-Man being a teenage high-school hero, or rather being known exclusively as one, dates to about 2000. The incarnations of Spider-Man in wider media before then hardly ever showed him in high school, with [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries the Fox Animated Show]] showing him at college, the [[WesternAnimation/SpiderMan1967 1967 Animated Show]], [[WesternAnimation/SpiderMan1981 the 1981 one]], and [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManAndHisAmazingFriends Amazing Friends]], [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheNewAnimatedSeries the MTV series]] showing him likewise at college, as did most of Sam Raimi's ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'' (Peter graduates mid-way though ''Spider-Man 1''). In the comics, ''[[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManLeeAndDitko The Amazing Spider-Man]]'' not only had Peter graduate high school by Issue #28 but even during the high school era, most of the stories focused on him working at the Bugle, rarely showing high school life. The initiative to make Peter a high school hero was part of then Marvel President Bill Jemas' plan, and there's more Spider-Man in high school content in the last twenty years than in the first 38 years of Spider-Man's history. Including ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' (whose first story arc was co-plotted by Jemas), ''ComicBook/SpiderManLovesMaryJane'', ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' cartoon (the first cartoon series to show Peter in high school, which all successor shows followed[[note]]Even if Weisman originally planned to age up Peter naturally in following seasons that never came to pass[[/note]]), and ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming''. Ultimate Spider-Man notoriously had 200 plus issues without Peter and his friends graduating high school.
243** Thematic example. In ''ComicBook/RevengeOfTheGreenGoblin'' Norman, his own son Harry then long dead, started to realize that Peter himself is everything he ever wanted in a son--smart, resourceful, tough, and able to live through everything life throws at him -- and so he concocts a scheme to [[WeCanRuleTogether make Peter into his heir]]. This was since retconned out of existence (partly because Harry is back, partly because Norman no longer knows who Spidey is), but it was well received and became an integral part of his character in other media, such as [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy the Raimi trilogy]], ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'', and ''WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan2012''. It's proved so successful that some more recent fans thought it was ''always'' an integral part of the character.
244* NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity: As divisive as Dan Slott may be online, under his pen, Spider-Man has been one of Marvel's most consistently highest selling titles[[note]]Of course ''Spider-Man'' always sells well, and the comics market being as small and shrinking-by-the-minute as it is, this doesn't quite mean a great deal[[/note]]. His run has also [[SpinOff spun-off]] a number of other relatively successful titles.
245* OlderThanTheyThink:
246** Most people attribute the famous "WithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsibility" mantra to Creator/StanLee. The phrase has been attributed to Creator/{{Voltaire}} and it was voiced in a Parliamentary debate during the French Revolution before becoming a general proverb in the nineteenth and early twentieth century, which was once even said by Franklin D. Roosevelt and others.
247** A number of fans have noted that Carlie Cooper is a CreatorsPet who is a composite of different Spider-Man {{Love Interest}}s intended to co-opt fans of Mary Jane by having the latter be her ShipperOnDeck and be written out of character to make her seem better, while also having her appearance and design alter throughout the book. The same is true of none other than Gwen Stacy herself. When she was alive, her character had a number of personality-shifts in pages. Her hair style was altered to resemble Mary Jane's while the latter was given a terrible hair-do to make her look bad next to Gwen, and later Gwen was made into a budding scientist who shares an interest with Peter, and then later a bikini model to prove she's not as prudish and then Mary Jane started becoming a ShipperOnDeck for her and Peter, to make readers better accept the relationship. Today she's remembered for her iconic look in her final story when before that her appearance changed quite often.
248** ''ComicBook/UntoldTalesOfSpiderMan'' which inserted stories into the continuity of ''[[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManLeeAndDitko The Amazing Spider-Man]]'' was seen as a great way to apply ArcWelding into pre-existing Spider-Man continuity without retcons and changes. Yet the first time this was done was by none other than Creator/StanLee himself all the way back in 1966-1967. In ASM #47, Lee opens with an adventure of Kraven teaming up with the Green Goblin, which at the time didn't make sense in terms of continuity since Goblin had amnesia and lapsed into Norman. To justify this, Lee in captions said that not every story was covered in the original run of Spider-Man and this was merely a story they are telling now, and he set it between ASM #15 to ASM #34 (between Kraven's first and most recent appearances).
249** Spider-Man isn't the first masked spider-themed crimefighter to make use of web-shooters: it was Shannon Kane a.k.a. [[https://pdsh.fandom.com/wiki/Spider_Queen Spider Queen]], created in 1941 and published by Fox Features.
250** The complaints about Joe Quesada and Dan Slott writing MJ out of character isn't the first time this happened to MJ. It was done by Stan Lee and John Romita Sr. themselves when in an effort to resolve the triangle between Peter, MJ and Gwen in favor of the latter. They sought to make MJ ugly [[https://www.cbr.com/mary-jane-spider-man-bad-haircut/ with a ridiculous haircut]], had her PutOnABus (something that later writers and editors also did), had her [[TookALevelInJerkass take a level in Jerkass]], and in one issue even colored her blonde by mistake ([[https://www.cbr.com/spider-man-mary-jane-blonde/ here]]). Even during the marriage the writers put her through phases of this, particularly the mid-to-late 90s, when she was more portrayed as a WetBlanketWife that completely disregarded her usual spunky attitude.
251** A good part of MJ's background and character was already set up in the [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManLeeAndDitko Lee-Ditko era]] when she was still TheGhost before Romita Sr's introduction. Most notably, the fact that she was incredibly beautiful as Betty and Liz who see her think aloud themselves. That she came from Queens and was from a modest background, and that Aunt May believed she was right for Peter. Her long build-up and instantly iconic introduction instantly confirmed her in the eyes of Spider-Man's fans as Peter's true romance since she was set up for so long even if Stan Lee and Romita Sr. later entertained the idea of Gwen Stacy as Peter's real girlfriend.
252** Mary Jane's troubled background was suggested as far back as ''Amazing Spider-Man #192'', where in a thought bubble written by Marv Wolfman, MJ reveals that her parents were divorced, and this alongside the brittle marriage of Ned and Betty led her to reject Peter's proposal at first. Roger Stern then expanded when he reintroduced her and had Aunt May reveal to Peter that both he and MJ have "lost so much" and in Issue #246, which had various characters experience daydreams, hinted at Mary Jane's guilt about her sister Gail and her family.
253** Recently fans have taken to deprecating MJ as Spider-Man's Lois Lane, especially in adaptations that tend to make her into reporter. While having her be a journalist in Ultimate Spider-Man and the [=PS4=] game ''is'' based on Lois (who is an archetypical character in her own right as is her husband), what people forget is that a good part of what defined the modern Superman and Lois dynamic (knowing and liking both Clark and Superman, being his confidant, getting married and having children) was all done by MJ first. Already in TheEighties, she had known Peter's double life and had become his confidant. The Spider-Man Wedding preceded and influenced the marriage of Lois and Clark in regular continuity ten years later.
254** While a number of fans assume that MJ's first appearance in media (games/movies/cartoons etcetera) came in TheNineties. Her real first appearance is in ''WesternAnimation/SpiderMan1967'' episode "the Big Brainwasher" i.e. right from the start. Hilariously, while MJ in the cartoon is similar to her appearance in AMS #51 (i.e. as a go-go dancer for one of Kingpin's fronts) she's also made a composite with Gwen Stacy (being Captain George Stacy's niece) and this from an episode that aired before Gwen's death in the comics. In other words, MJ was upstaging and having her character blended with Gwen right from the start and before Gwen's death.
255** There are many fans who believe that Mary Jane being portrayed as a helpless DamselInDistress was an invention of Creator/SamRaimi, since from the 80s and onward this has seldom happened to her in the comics. But following the death of Gwen Stacy in the 70s, this actually ''did'' occur on a semi-regular basis. And that includes [[https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/amazing-spider-man-127-6.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738&h=1097 screaming for Spider-Man to help her]], which at one point [[https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/marvel-team-up-20-2.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738&h=1108 Spider-Man himself]] [[https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/marvel-team-up-20-3.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738&h=1104 actually made fun of.]] So the real issue here is simply a generational gap, as Raimi is a child of the 60s and 70s, so this kind of portrayal of Mary Jane is the one he's most familiar with.
256** Norman Osborn, as a wealthy nemesis to Spider-man, has been called to be inspired by ComicBook/LexLuthor. In reality, Osborn predates Luthor businessman character, who was introduced in ComicBook/TheManOfSteel (1986).
257** When it comes to Spider-Man rogues who play the VilerNewVillain to an already-existing iconic villain, people usually think of Carnage being this to Venom. However, Carnage wasn't the first example of a new villain written to be even more evil than a popular BreakoutVillain like Venom who was gaining more depth and fan sympathy. Stegron was actually the first to be written as this to the Lizard, turning himself into a reptilian supervillain after stealing Connors' formula. Unlike Connors, Stegron isn't shown to be in his human form nearly as much, doesn't have a family, and is given much less sympathetic, humanizing qualities compared to the Lizard. The major difference is that Stegron never reached the heights of popularity that Carnage did, despite being around since the early 70s and never quite grew out of being a B or C-list villain.
258* OnceOriginalNowCommon:
259** When the Fantastic Four launched in November 1961, Marvel immediately set itself apart from the Distinguished Competition by giving its heroes an unprecedented (for comics) degree of realism. Before Spider-Man, teenagers had been relegated to the sidekick position for older, experienced, idealized adult heroes, but Ditko and Lee revolutionized the whole concept of a superhero by making Peter Parker just a sarcastic kid who dealt with mundane teen problems like money woes and dating girls when he wasn't fighting crime on his own. That groundbreaking approach included introducing subplots chronicling the hero's daily life, such as the ups and downs of Peter's multi-issue romance with Betty Brant, to a comic book at a time when most single issues of a title were split between multiple anthology stories. Over fifty years later, this approach is pretty much the norm for comic books.
260** Gwen Stacy's death. At the time, it was one of the most surprising developments in comics as a hero's love interest was considered totally safe. After this storyline, writers became less shy about killing off supporting cast members and love interests, making it a little hard for newcomers to see why this was such an earth-shattering event for the Marvel Universe. Not to mention it eventually led to the common phenomenon of fridging female characters, which comes off as lazy and misogynistic in the long run. The freshness and impact of the story also gets lost among newer fans simply because Gwen and the storyline where she dies almost never gets adapted into animation, or when it does happen, it's usually with Mary Jane in her place (and she doesn't die, because [[PopularityPower MJ]]), and then the storyline was made into a very divisive film (''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan2'') which had no suspense and blatant foreshadowing, or she gets featured in cartoons (like ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'') where she has an entirely different personality, or her alternate version, ComicBook/SpiderGwen which doesn't have this baggage at all.
261** This is also the case with some prominent characters and villains. Spider-Man comics' fans of a veteran age consider The Hobgoblin as conceived by Creator/RogerStern to be a great villain with many considering him up there with Venom and others. A good part of what made him interesting and cool was his sense of mystery, him being into PragmaticVillainy, and so on. For younger readers, the Hobgoblin often feels like a cheap Green Goblin ripoff no different from the other legacy goblins, because for newer readers once Norman came BackFromTheDead he became "the" Goblin and since Hobby was intended as a permanent replacement for him, a lot of what made him cool has gone. Likewise when Frank Miller reimagined the Kingpin at around the same time, Fisk became the embodiment of pragmatic villainy when he crossed back into Spider-Man in both 616 and Ultimate Spider-Man stories. Re-reading the original story and Stern's Hobgoblin Lives likewise requires some familiarity of arcane ContinuitySnarl and retcons making his appeal a little impenetrable (for the same reasons as the Clone Saga). Likewise the clearing up of the DatedHistory of the original Goblin (namely Steve Ditko had intended Norman Osborn to be the Green Goblin from the get-go) has made the behind-the-scenes trivia around his development feel like a classic case of DramaticallyMissingThePoint[[note]]Ned Leeds being the real Hobgoblin was apparently inspired by the rumor that he was Ditko's original choice before Stan changed to Norman, the fact that this was never the case made his death even more pointless and needles than it was to start with[[/note]].
262* OneTruePairing: Peter and Mary Jane, despite constant [[RunningTheAsylum attempts from editors to separate them]], is an OfficialCouple in the vast majority of adaptations and spin-offs, which is helped by the fact that she's a popular and famous character in her own right, often considered one of the best female characters in the Marvel Universe.
263* OneTrueThreesome: A common solution to the Spidey-LoveTriangle from the fans who like ''both'' Gwen Stacey and MJ is to ship him with both of them. This is especially popular nowadays, with the ever-increasing proportion of new fans who, for [[ComicBook/SpiderGwen one reason]] or [[ComicBook/TheUnbelievableGwenpool another]], think of Gwen as more than [[TheLostLenore Spider-Man's dead girlfriend.]] It helps that both girls have shown hints at [[AmbiguouslyBi interest in women]] in a few incarnations, like ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' (Gwen) and ''ComicBook/SpiderGwen'' (MJ). Sometimes one of the girls is substituted for [[DatingCatwoman Black Cat]], and sometimes she's added in ''without'' replacing one of the others.
264* {{Padding}}: ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'' was meant to last 6 months, but lasted ''two years'' due to ExecutiveMeddling -- the Marketing Department noticed how fans were gobbling up the stories and demanded more.
265* PeripheryDemographic:
266** Spider-Man comics always did have a significant female readership as compared to other titles in the genre. Part of the reason is the FemaleGaze of Peter's {{Adorkable}} looks and his tight-fitting costume, and the fact that his [[WeaknessTurnsHerOn vulnerable and passive nature]] is genuinely romantic for many girls (as it is in-page for the likes of MJ, Felicia, and Gwen). The fact that Spider-Man comics, [[FairForItsDay for its time]] actually dealt with romance in a more relatable way than other titles at both DC (cf, the Silver Age Clark and Lois stories, or if you are a fan of Lois, actually don't) and Marvel (Reed and Sue Richards) and likewise balanced romance with non-traditional genre elements (as opposed to romance comics which dealt with that and nothing else) which provided a GatewaySeries to superhero and science-fiction stories for female readers. It's to cater to this demographic that the LegacyCharacter of ''ComicBook/SpiderGirl'' and ''ComicBook/SpiderGwen'' were created, both of which being quite successful and having devoted and dedicated bases.
267** Mary Jane Watson's presence in Spider-Man titles, both in the early years and especially after the marriage, brought a significant female readership to Spider-Man especially since a lot of their best stories deal with being in a relationship, issues of commitment, upholding a marriage which few superhero stories tackled. Likewise, Mary Jane was also a fairly progressive character for her age being a WorkingClassHero who struggled against adversity and was smart, compassionate, and independent. A lot of women (and even men!) found MJ to be very compelling and a breath of fresh air compared to other female characters at the time. People liked how she had more characterization than the usual stock traits Love Interests are saddled with in other stories (turning into [[DamselInDistress damsels in distress]] or spending all their time crying and nagging at their boyfriends), or how she wasn't the typical sexy and tough superheroine who'd punched her way out of problems. In comparison to these two stock characters, people found MJ relatable and approachable.
268* PoorMansSubstitute:
269** A number of fans and writers who remembered Gwen from the issue in which she died or from her posthumous elevation as Peter's lost lenore tend to see MJ as "sloppy seconds" on account of the fact that Gwen is seen as "wifey material" (owing to her upper middle-class university educated background who also attended Peter's science lectures), as well as George Stacy approving of Peter. In actual fact, [[InvertedTrope Gwen was MJ's Rich Man Substitute]]. She was reconfigured by Lee and Romita Sr. to resemble MJ physically and wear more fashionable clothes in later issues, and MJ was always the popular character who audiences related to, while Gwen was the DesignatedLoveInterest that Lee kept trying to make the heroine to little avail. Jonathan Lethem {{Lampshaded}} [[Quotes/TheNightGwenStacyDied this in his review]] of ''Film/SpiderMan1'':
270---> "By the mid-1970s Spider-Man’s great plot-lines – The Death of Gwen Stacy, Peter Parker’s ethereal blonde girlfriend, who would haunt him as Creator/KimNovak haunts Creator/JamesStewart in ''Film/{{Vertigo}}''...were well behind him. And Peter Parker had settled for what seemed to us a second-best girlfriend, the dark-haired ‘girl next door’, Mary Jane Watson...My researches unearthed this horrible fact –- [[Creator/GerryConway the Marvel scripters]] who followed Creator/StanLee on the job killed off Gwen Stacy [[DroppedABridgeOnHim because they found her unworkably dull]], [[DieForOurShip a cold fish]]. Red-haired Mary Jane was more approachable, sexier, all along. If I’d known sooner I might have been spared some pining."
271** MJ InUniverse also sees herself as this, and some writers tend to use this to give tension to her relationship with Peter since it negates MJ's "unattainable" quality where rather than being out of Peter's league, MJ sees herself as never measuring to an impossible ideal (Gwen being the perfect love who died) and her own insecurity over growing up poor and incompletely educated as compared to Gwen and Peter.
272* PopCultureHoliday: Spider Man Day is August 1st, widely believed to be the character's first appearance in August 1962's ''Amazing Fantasy #15'' (though the comic [[https://io9.gizmodo.com/why-do-we-celebrate-spider-man-day-on-probably-the-wr-1844653248 might have actually released later that month]]).
273* RealismInducedHorror: What makes Skip Westcott such an utterly monstrous figure in the fandom's eyes is that he's a realistic depiction of a [[PaedoHunt child molester]]. He isn't a supervillain who happens to be a pedophile, he's a seemingly-average young man who can get unsuspecting kids like Peter to trust him. Since he made his only appearance in a PSA comic regarding child sexual abuse, this was intentional.
274* ReplacementScrappy:
275** Gwen and Mary Jane have an interesting dynamic. When Mary Jane finally appeared she was an instant hit, while Gwen Stacy was still known as "Liz Allan but in college". In response to the editor-team wanting to make Gwen Stacy Peter's LoveInterest and the greater public demand for Mary Jane, Gwen's design was altered to resemble Mary Jane more and more, and of course eventually they gave up and fridged her anyway to make Mary Jane, Peter's true love. As such there are groups of fans who see Gwen and MJ as respectively each other's scrappy.
276** Pretty much every Hobgoblin other than Roderick Kingsley is this. Given that Kingsley is widely considered one of the best Spidey villains ever, it's easy to see why.
277** Mac Gargan as Venom. An attempt to reverse VillainDecay that horribly failed. As Spidey himself commented, "a loser in a Venom suit is still a freaking loser".
278* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap:
279** Kaine in ''ComicBook/SpiderGirl''. Kaine used to be considered a generic NinetiesAntiHero who was at best tolerable and at worse one of the many things wrong in the Clone Saga. Becoming the new Scarlet Spider did wonder for his popularity. In the 616 universe, this happened with ''ComicBook/SpiderIsland'' and his ''ComicBook/ScarletSpider'' series.
280** Those who read ''Alpha: Big Time'' feel it gave serious CharacterDevelopment to Alpha and made him much more likeable.
281** Since Norman Osborn's return, he hasn't been overly popular thanks to ''Dark Reign'' and him being linked to a bunch of AudienceAlienatingEra retcons. However the character was redeemed by ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan'', in which he was [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] into a badass supervillain who succeeds on his own merits rather than relying on the IdiotBall. It helped that he was going against Spider-Ock who is, at best, incredibly divisive.
282** While initially tied up in the awkwardness of Brand New Day and the 'mystery' of who would become Peter's latest love interest, Norah Winters has since managed to become a prominent part of Peter's cast and has taken a role in the larger Marvel Universe, playing important roles in the ''Osborn'' miniseries which appeared shortly after Dark Reign, and the run on ComicBook/ThePunisher by Creator/GregRucka. It helps that her early role as a slightly obnoxious newswoman has gone through some real development to deal with her own morality and making her into a competent reporter.
283** Silk's introduction rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, from the way she was introduced via {{Retcon}} (it was originally stated flat out that the spider that bit Peter died immediately after it did so), her sudden ability to use certain powers even better than Peter, and Peter's MentorShip relationship with her (which later blossomed into an actual romance) at the expense of other preferred love interests. But her solo, which fleshed out her personality and gave her own plots, endeared her to a large number of readers.
284* RonTheDeathEater: MJ Quite often gets this, from either people who want Peter to be single or people who [[DieForOurShip wanted him to end up]] with [[ShipToShipCombat Gwen Stacy or Black Cat]] (usually the former); quite often, despite MJ and Gwen having been best friends, their friendship is downplayed to instead depict them as bitter rivals, often sympathising with Gwen on the matter. Interestingly, this plays into the real-life WhatDoesSheSeeInHim that Peter and MJ often get, as people erroneously believe that as a supermodel (something MJ ''never'' was in the first place) would have no reason to date a nerdy everyman like Peter...which seems to assume that simply being a sexy model means MJ is incapable of valuing Peter's kindness and strength of character, and treats it as if trading on her looks ''must'' mean she's too shallow.
285* SalvagedStory:
286** Within eleven months, Dan Slott's run undid the majority of the plot developments fans disliked about the ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay[=/=]ComicBook/BrandNewDay'' era, with the exception of the actual CosmicRetcon itself. Quesada being [[KickedUpstairs promoted to a position with more power in the company but less influence over the stories]] probably helped this.
287** Within the ''first'' month, Nick Spencer's run effectively spanked Dan Slott's run by having Peter admit he wasn't acting responsibly post-''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan'' at all when Peter is accused of plagiarizing Doc Ock's work and and he can't explain why. He also resets Black Cat's personality in one page and the last page of the main story has [[spoiler:Peter and Mary Jane reunited and a couple again. It's not a marriage, but we'll take it!]]
288** Silk's new costume is considered a vast upgrade from her original one, which was heavily criticized for being impractical FetishRetardant.
289** In the second volume of ''ComicBook/{{Silk}}'' Felicia has a more grey morality outlook, and many fans are hopeful that she will return to her more AntiVillain personality. This is further solidified in ''Venom Inc. Omega'', which has Felicia's empire destroyed and Eddie Brock telling her being a villain didn't suit her and to go back being a hero. Her return to the hero side is finalized in ''Defenders 2017'' were she gives up on being kingpin, and to avoid jail time gives police info on all the other would be kingpins.
290*** Issue 9 of Silk's solo run explains that before her run in with Doc Ock possessed Spider-Man Cat had been planning on retiring, but her arrest caused her to lose her nest egg and all her heroing didn't count for anything.
291** ''Amazing Spider-Man: Hunted'' gives a bit of retroactive reasoning for her change from Anti-Hero to Queenpin. The events of ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' cause Felicia to forget almost the entirety of her time with Spider-Man/Peter Parker which is also where most of her CharacterDevelopment came from.
292** Other characters still remember Cindy's more [[LeeroyJenkins reckless behavior]] during ''ComicBook/SpiderVerse'', and Cindy is still trying hard to win over their approval.
293** General reaction to [[spoiler: Ben Reilly's]] new suit was overwhelmingly negative. It was later announced that he would return to his much more popular classic costume for [[BlatantLies "story-driven]] [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial reasons".]]
294* TheScrappy:
295** The first Madame Web, mainly because she gave a lot of vague prophesizing and warning without ever actually ''helping'' Spider-Man with the threats she keeps saying are just around the corner. It wore on people's nerves after a while. Even in-universe Spidey doesn't like her all that much. Her association with the Clone Saga and [[SeasonalRot later seasons]] of WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries only makes people dislike her more.
296** A lot of the villains introduced during Brand New Day, like Freak or Paper Doll, were rather hated by fans due to replacing many of Spidey's established foes as well as the new villains established during JMS's run. At the same time many of said villains lacked the traits that made the old bad guys likable or cool. Fortunately once Dan Slott took over he either wrote them out or just acted like they never existed. The only exceptions to this are Mr. Negative and Overdrive, who have managed to establish themselves as lasting and worthy new additions to Spidey's RoguesGallery.
297** Carlie Cooper got a massive backlash from fans. Originally, the hatred was due to her [[ReplacementScrappy replacing]] MJ as Peter's main love interest, but this escalated when she was given new traits that allowed her to essentially replace all of Peter's past girlfriends and best friends[[note]] troubles with father (MJ), NerdsAreSexy (Deb Whitman), is old friends with Harry Osborn, and a "perfect girl" (Gwen)[[/note]], with stories emphasizing she was 'right' for him because she's his 'intellectual equal'.
298** Cindy Moon aka Silk. A pretty girl who got bit by the same spider that bit Peter but spent over a decade locked in a room by Ezekiel. She has all of Spider-Man's powers but, with the exception of physical strength, they're all better than his. She's already proven to be just as competent as Peter, with no training except for watching videos of Spidey in action, and in a few issues has saved him on multiple occasions. She seems to be very important as it's Peter freeing her which seems to awaken Morlun thus setting off the Spider-Verse event. Also, she lands a job on the Fact Channel despite not having any education beyond high school, which likely she did not even finish. A ''lot'' of readers find her incredibly annoying while having all of the traits of a mary sue.
299** All of the Inheritors except Morlun and Karn are generally considered boring and annoying at best, but two stand out in particular:
300*** Daemos, Morlun's bigger, dumber, eviler brother. Mostly for having very few personality traits beyond... "big, dumb, and evil."
301*** Morlun's father Solus, for being capable of [[spoiler: killing Captain Universe Spider-Man with little effort, despite the latter being a PhysicalGod.]]
302** Michelle Gonzales, a token love interest for Peter from the BND era. Michelle is a violent bully who wound up becoming Peter's roommate when Vin went to prison, and regularly insults, abuses, and humiliates Peter.
303** New "hero" Alpha due to basically being the antithesis to everything Spider-Man stands for (has zero responsibility, wastes his gifts, has an ego the size of a mountain, etc.). Dan Slott has stated [[IntendedAudienceReaction this was intentional]] for the sake of giving him a character arc to make him more likable in his own mini series. Unfortunately most of this development went unnoticed by the fans since [[Administrivia/TropesAreNotGood readers weren't exactly willing to pick up a series]] focusing on a character they were intentionally made to despise.
304** The Regent, a boring and uninteresting {{Expy}} of Darkseid that wants only to collect superpowers. He was the main villain in the ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManRenewYourVows'' story. The worst is that, while the story was good thanks to Spider-Family (Peter, Mary Jane and their daughter), he became a CanonImmigrant in the 616 universe where, [[SarcasmMode shock of all shocks]], he was still disliked.
305** Sajani Jaffrey, a co-worker of Peter's at Horizon Labs who becomes his right-hand once he (or rather Otto in his body) starts Parker Industries. Most of her page time towards Peter was spent acting condescending, rude and acting as if she knew best about everything even going behind Peter's back to sabotage him because she disagreed with his rehabilitation-focused supervillain prison. When she was framed for further sabotage and fired by Peter few, if any, readers were sad to see her go.
306** Skip, an extremely minor yet depraved OneShotCharacter appearing in ''Spider-Man and the Power Pack #1'', designed to warn kids about child molestation. Although you're [[HateSink obviously supposed to hate Skip]] because he's a [[PaedoHunt child molester]], he's widely hated because of how out-of-place and inappropriate his story is in a Spider-Man comic, with the ''mere implication that he molested Peter'' absolutely enraging fans. Even Jim Sallicrup, the creator of the comic, mentioned that he [[CreatorBacklash deeply regretted creating Skip and the entire comic]] as a result of fans bothering him on his Twitter account about it.
307** Paul, MJ's new apparent boyfriend, is ''near-universally despised'' as a [[StrangledByTheRedString cheap obstacle]] between her and Peter [[FlatCharacter without much personality]]. It doesn't help that during the entirety of the Dead Language story arc, [[TheWorfEffect he's presented as being far more competent than Peter]], who loses basically every fight he gets into while having to be saved by Paul. If one also pays attention to what he's saying, he basically admits to helping Rabin with his work and [[NiceJobBreakingItHero thus is responsible for the entire fiasco]]. The guy is so disliked that there's a pretty substantial ironic counter-fandom dedicated to talking instead about [[MemeticBadass how he is the greatest hero of all time]], far better than that loser Spider-Man, Mary Jane's true love, and perhaps [[SarcasmMode the most complex and fascinating figure in all of fiction]].
308** Paul and MJ's artificial foster kids, Romy and Owen, are also widely disliked due to being [[FlatCharacter mere plot devices]] to keep MJ and Peter apart, as well as [[UnintentionalUncannyValley how unsettling they look in Romita's artstyle]]. The reveal that they were adopted [[StrongFamilyResemblance (despite looking like their parents)]] only added to this due to how much it felt like a nonsensical, last-second attempt at an AuthorsSavingThrow due to people reacting negatively to MJ supposedly having kids with another man. It got to the point where them disappearing in Paul's arms (in the same issue as Kamala's death), presumably due to being a creation of the Scribble Man all along, [[TakeThatScrappy was met with widespread celebration across the internet]], with many considering it the only positive part of the issue.
309* SeasonalRot:
310** The JMS run is generally agreed to have started out very good, with some cool new additions to Spidey's RoguesGallery and the introduction of a solid MythArc. But then ''Civil War'' came along, and Joe Quesada began [[ExecutiveMeddling ruthlessly meddling]] in nearly everything, which led to horrible plot twists and storylines like ''The Other'', ''Sins Past'', and ''One More Day''. The Myth Arc thus became [[TheChrisCarterEffect a tangled mess]] and the book went through a horrible AudienceAlienatingEra that took several years to recover from completely.
311** When Slott took over he had a lot of positive press due to streamlining the books, fixing a bunch of divisive changes, and delivering ''ComicBook/SpiderIsland'', which helped re-popularize the books with older fans. However, come ''ComicBook/SpiderVerse'', he introduced horribly received characters like Silk and the Inheritors, while his writing Peter and Black Cat faced criticism for erasing most of their development.
312* SequelDisplacement: Gargan is actually Venom III, but Venom II was a complete pansy and didn't last very long, so many forget he existed.
313* ShipToShipCombat: Peter[=/=]Mary Jane Vs. Peter[=/=]Gwen Vs. Spidey[=/=]Black Cat. [[SarcasmMode Have fun, guys!]]
314** MJ's fans love her due to her compelling CharacterDevelopment over the years (easily THE most developed supporting character in the entire cast), her funny personality, her natural chemistry with Peter and the fact that she felt in love with him being completely aware of that he was Spider-Man, but not because of it. They also point out that as a poor working-class scrapper from a broken home she is as much Peter's {{Foil}} as his LoveInterest, and a very unique and modern update on the old superhero LoveInterest trope as a muggle girlfriend who liked both Peter and Spider-Man.
315** Gwen's fans love her due to her [[ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan more]] [[WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan modernized]] [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries depictions]], which tend to give her entirely new characterizations from her classic self. These takes increased Gwen's popularity and some fans see her as more than Peter's love interest or the girl who died which leads some of them to believe she should finally come back from the dead for real.
316** Black Cat's fans love her for being the mysterious, [[FemmeFatale sexy temptress]] who first only seemed to care about herself, but later turned out to have a HiddenHeartOfGold, which she herself had trouble to comprehend without Peter's love and support. Her being the only love interest who is able to [[BattleCouple always have his back and be there for him in the heat of battle]], their constant games of "[[DatingCatwoman cat and mouse]]", and the huge amount of [[SnarkToSnarkCombat flirty banter]] certainly helps to give them a lot of chemistry. More generally her defenders like the no-strings-attached nature of her relationship with Spider-Man precisely because it has no future where either of them want to really settle down with one another.
317* ShockingMoments: [[ComicBook/TheNightGwenStacyDied Gwen Stacy's death]], which completely [[WhamEpisode shook]] the comics community at the time.
318* SignatureScene: Many of the most iconic Spider-Man moments revolve around Mary Jane Watson:
319** The first is her famous introduction scene, "Face it Tiger..." which is still considered one of the all-time greatest character intros.
320** The other is the final panels of ''ComicBook/TheNightGwenStacyDied'' where she chooses to stay with Peter even after he lashes out at her in grief.
321** TheReveal where after the fight with Spider-Man and Puma, she reveals that she had known Peter's double identity all along.
322** The upside-down kiss in ''Film/SpiderMan1'' was repeatedly parodied and homaged in popular culture in TheOughties, with ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' even doing their version with Homer and Marge.
323** Creator/MattFraction's "Sensational Spider-Man Annual #1" - "To Have and to Hold" (nominated for an Eisner award and considered one of the best Spider-Man stories in the last decades), has many iconic moments, such as the opening and closing scenes showing Peter and MJ atop the radio tower on the Empire State Building.
324* SignatureSeriesArc:
325** During TheSixties, and in ''[[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManLeeAndDitko The Amazing Spider-Man]]'' it was definitely "If This Be My Destiny--" or The Master Planner Saga (ASM #31-33) where Spider-Man lifting tons of machinery is ''still'' one of the most oft-featured oft-reproduced images across comics history. Then from TheSeventies, there's ''ComicBook/TheNightGwenStacyDied'', a story arc that is single-handedly credited with not only ushering in MediaNotes/TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks, but in slowly introducing DarkerAndEdgier stories into comics in general.
326** During TheEighties, ''The Saga of the Symbiote'', i.e. the lengthy story arc that spanned Spider-Man's acquisition of the Symbiote black costume to the first appearance of ''Venom'' in ASM #300 is also highly iconic. Other landmark stories include ''ComicBook/KravensLastHunt'', and more controversially ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'' not so much for its quality but for its proverbial impenetrability and confusion.
327** For ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'', it's the opening 12 issues known as "Powers and Responsibility" and "Learning Curve". The other famous arc is "Death of Spider-Man" and its aftermath which led to the rise of ''ComicBook/MilesMorales''.
328* {{Squick}}: Kraven's daughter, who, instead of MostCommonSuperpower, was a hot UsefulNotes/{{Pettanko}} chick with rockabilly hair and tight clothing. We later find out [[spoiler:she's ''twelve''.]]
329* StrangledByTheRedString:
330** Joe Q. has been shoving Carlie down the throats of readers and pointing out how perfect she is for Peter. The dead giveaway for this was when Carlie was featured as a main character in ''The Many Loves of Spider-Man'' before actually hooking up with him. Dan Slott eventually came to the rescue, broke the two up, and downsized Carlie's role in the book to a more tolerable, less forced level.
331** Quesada and others felt this way about the Peter-MJ marriage to start with. They pointed out that it came largely because of the demand of older fans who had passed on Spider-Man after being irritated by the endless static nature of the stories and were seeking closure for the Spider-Man they knew. It came in the middle of stories that many young fans had gotten involved in which ended up being curved on account of the wedding and later writers point out that after becoming married, MJ effectively becomes a main character in her own right, making her as much a part of the story despite not having powers, which takes attention away from other supporting characters.
332** Silk reached this territory faster and harder than any other previous love interest. After barely one issue and without any previous chemistry, she and Peter just can't get their hands off each other. All explained only by the totem connection they share due to both being bitten by the same radioactive spider. Not to mention Black Cat's FaceHeelTurn. Or Mary Jane getting a firefighter boyfriend, which some fans see as her settling for a lesser version of Spidey (being a person who risks his own life to save others).
333* SuperCouple: Peter and Mary Jane are unique in the sense that their on and off dynamics aren't intentional to keep the readers interested. Ironically, it's due to the editors wanting to separate them, but their popularity as a couple (and the fact that, with the arguable exception of Gwen, their chemistry and romance are overall far better written than with Spidey's other love interests) just make them getting back together every time. Even after ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'', the possibility [[ShipTease keeps coming back every once in a while]].
334--> '''Creator/TaNehisiCoates''': I wouldn't argue that the Parker-Watson marriage was always well-written and well-drawn... But in a genre aimed at young males, it is very hard for me to come up with a more mature, and I would say healthy, vision of what a marriage should look like. Mary Jane Watson was not looking to be saved. If anything, she wanted Peter Parker to stop saving people. She did not need Peter Parker. She was not fashioned especially to be his wife. She was a human and seemed as though she would have been with Peter Parker, or without him... ''One More Day ''felt like an erasure of what had been one of its more unintentionally bold endeavors—the attempt to allow a superhero to grow up, to be more than Peter Pan, to confront the tragic world as it was, to imagine life beyond what should have been.
335* TaintedByThePreview: Fans turned on Anya Corazon particular ''Amazing Fantasy'' comic revival before it was even released on the mistaken belief Marvel was going to be creating a 616 version of ''Spider-girl''. Also HilariousInHindsight, as Marvel has since bent over backwards to make Arana into 616 Spider-girl, gradually stripping away all of her distinct powers and equipment in favor of those more like Spider-Man's.
336* ThemePairing: [[Characters/SpiderManRoguesGalleryIToZ Puma]] and [[ComicBook/BlackCatMarvelComics Black Cat]]. Both have feline AnimalMotifs and are of neutral alignment.
337* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Practically from the beginning, and it's polarizing because some fans like the old status-quo but hate the new one and vice versa:
338** Some fans disliked Peter going from high school to college. Other fans dislike the fact that Peter's college years didn't progress on the same curve, with the introduction of ComicBookTime permanently making Peter static.
339** Any time Spider-Man meets a new girlfriend and breaks up with the old one, shipping wars erupt. This is true for ''every'' era.
340** Gwen Stacy's death was incredibly controversial and polarizing when it happened, to the point where Creator/StanLee himself, who had originally given Gerry Conway the okay to do it, quickly passed the buck ''to'' him. At his suggestion, the original Clone Saga was created as a possible way back for Gwen in case people didn't like Peter and MJ as a couple. Turned out audiences actually ''did'' like the relationship, meaning no more (616) Gwen, though there would be many clones for years to come.
341** Spider-Man's wedding was something that fans liked but divided Marvel's writers and creative staff. Some writers liked and welcomed it, others didn't. Shipping also plays a major part in this, as there were some writers who were okay with the idea of Peter being married -- just not to ''MJ''.
342** Some readers were generally not too happy with Osborn since his resurrection in ''The Clone Saga''. The ones who like the changes, lament that, "[[http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/04/the-insufferable-spider-man/390702/ he's been made interesting by basically being made into a new character]].":
343--> ''And then the final out was resurrecting Norman Osborn, the single worst move ever made by Spider-Man writers. He had attained a reputation and fearsome aura in death far greater than in life, haunting Peter so much. To explain he'd spent 24 years of stories "recovering in Europe" was ridiculous, as was making him the true mastermind of all this then turning him into [[PoorMansSubstitute a poor man's Lex Luthor]]. 20 years later and it's still the storyline that all Spider-Man fans grit their teeth at.''
344*** A number of longtime fans and writers (such as Creator/JohnByrne) disliked Norman Osborn coming back from the dead at the end of the '90s Clone Saga, feeling it undid a classic story and left many readers wondering why Spider-Man isn't going on some RoaringRampageOfRevenge against the man who killed his girlfriend and masterminded the events of the aforementioned Clone Saga.[[note]]Brian Michael Bendis plugged this hole with ''The Pulse'', where Norman finally gets outed as the Goblin and goes to jail, and later becomes a problem to ''the entire Marvel Universe'' rather than just Spider-Man.[[/note]] Even those who like his return note that he's become an entirely different character, with many noting that he has become more Norman Osborn and less Green Goblin.
345** Creator/KevinSmith {{retcon}}ning RapeAsBackstory for Black Cat's origin was received negatively by many fans.
346** ''One More Day'' has this reputation, to the point that many writers and artists who worked on the title post-retcon have complained about not getting critical attention for their work and contribution, even if most of them didn't have anything to do with that title or that decision. Many of them are still asked for their opinion on a story that happened over a decade prior.
347** During the events of ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan'' Felicia was attacked by Spider-Ock, and she wound up swearing to get revenge. After Peter's return she became an outright AxCrazy psycho who wants to destroy everything about him and doesn't care that he was under someone else's control, attempting to harm anyone and everything else in the process and even joining forces with several past Spider-Man villains to do so, even several that she used to be enemies with. Fans of Felicia in her AntiHero days have not been happy. The not so subtle implication that this was all done primarily to further solidify [[CreatorsPet Silk]] as Peter's love interest didn't help.
348** The revelation on the post-''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' that [[spoiler:she somehow managed to convince Silk to be part of her criminal enterprise]] and she ''absolutely loathes'' the latter trying to be the TokenGoodTeammate (and all of her appearances before that having her being a sociopathic harridan that sees [[spoiler:killing Silk's only means to find her parents]] as "a favor" and seriously wants to recruit people by convincing them that NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished and Evil Pays Better (well, it ''will'' with her in charge-she's gunning to become the next Kingpin of New York)).... yeah, people are hating the new her very much.
349* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
350** Starting right from the Lee-Romita era, the death of Frederick Foswell, the EnsembleDarkhorse and arguably the most DynamicCharacter from the Lee-Ditko era. He's still ranked as one of the greatest supporting characters in Spider-Man's history even if he appeared early and many felt that there was a lot of potential and new directions he could have taken the story to had he remained.
351** Dilbert Trilby, the obituary writer at ''The Daily Bugle''. He's a great character; a jaded, high-strung guy who feels he's unappreciated because of all the great articles he has to retract (and most would agree with him). It's a shame they haven't decided to use him more, because he's got ''tons'' of humor potential, and it would be nice to see how civilians handle the high recovery rate of deceased superhumans more often.
352** Alexei Kraven gets a nice bit of development as his father's successor, being a notable contrast to him, but spent the last few years of his history going mentally unbalanced, before being (apparently) KilledOffscreen.
353* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
354** A lot of fans loved Peter Parker revealing his identity in ''Civil War'' and being publicly known as Spider-Man. While even the fans who liked it weren't fooled that this would stick for long, many felt that this could have introduced a bunch of new stories and interesting set-ups had it been followed through and that many felt that Marvel didn't exactly tap into everything that the set-up offered especially when it became obvious that it was ultimately a grand plan to make ''One More Day'' happen.
355** While the main complaint about the Anya Corazon series was that she did nothing but fight the Sisterhood Of The Wasp, they've since disappeared completely, even though they're an AncientConspiracy of criminals. Also, since the Web corps weren't much better, she's no longer their employee and their current hunter hates her, conflict with them reads like something that could be mined for more plots too, but it was never revisited. Her original power set was never fully explored either.
356* UglyCute: It depends on the artist, but Morbius can potentially be this. It may have something to do with the big red eyes or the angsty nature, but how can you not simultaneously go "aww" and "eww" when you see something like [[http://25.media.tumblr.com/c6f1d82fee58a6760f3416caaff331d6/tumblr_misezvIHbi1rxk4eno1_1280.png this?]]
357* UnconvincinglyUnpopularCharacter: Peter Parker is (to the reader) a handsome, highly intelligent, funny guy who used to be HappilyMarried to a stunning red-haired supermodel, and now is a relatively successful freelance photographer (he was retconned to have won a pulitzer for his picture taking skills). In real life, he'd be amazingly popular. In Franchise/MarvelUniverse Manhattan, though, he's all but completely ostracized from his peers because...well...he's [[ThisLoserIsYou Peter Parker]]. Though it's more true, to varying degrees, in adaptations like ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' and various animated series that focus on his highschool life; in the original comics, he was only really ostracized when he was a teenager, and during that time he was a very shy kid prone to glaring angrily at the In-Crowd while muttering how they'll all learn one day. Once he grew up and actually ''became'' handsome and funny, did he get friends. It's only after ''One More Day'' that he became this, when it removed his marriage, his career, and his social skills and had everyone treat him like crap for no apparent reason. Then it's changed by the new Big Time era, complete with his alter ego Spider-Man beginning to become a trusted and respected hero in New York.[[note]]Among the New York ''public'', as the hero community already considered Spidey a mainstay.[[/note]]
358* UnpopularPopularCharacter:
359** Spider-Man is almost consistently [[HeroWithBadPublicity feared and distrusted by the masses in-universe]], but out of universe he's the company mascot and as famous and proverbial as a hero as Superman and Batman (despite coming on the scene twenty years after both of them). This is also an issue for some fans. Because Spider-Man is the [[BreakoutCharacter biggest and most famous Marvel hero]], many are a little taken aback that within the Marvel superhero community, the likes of Reed Richards, Tony Stark, and Captain America are considered the senior superheroes, when many expect that Spider-Man should be considered the central hero similar to how Superman and Batman are considered as such in their stories.
360** The Shocker. Despite being an IneffectualSympatheticVillain who's treated as a joke by both heroes and villains, he has a lot of fans ''because'' he's the resident ButtMonkey of Spider-Man's rogues gallery, as well as the fact that he can be an [[NotSoHarmlessVillain actual threat]] when he decides he's done being pushed around.
361* TheUntwist: Norman Osborn being the Goblin King. Slott spent a lot of time teasing the idea that it might not be Norman, and had him refuse to unmask, in what really served no purpose but to raise suspicion that it might not actually be Norman. In the end, nope, it's Norman, and him refusing to unmask pretty much served no purpose what-so-ever because of it.
362* ValuesDissonance: This was always part of what made MJ popular in the first place, as while she was meant to be what the creators saw as irresponsible only for readers to instead see as relatable and liberated. But to a modern viewer, even things that were at the time seen as negatives by readers look much more reasonable now. When written, MJ's excessively laid-back attitude looked shallow to the writers/readers, but to a modern viewer her dating for fun rather than commitment seems perfectly reasonable for a college girl and hardly a 'flaw'. Similarly, her bailing on Harry when his drug abuse and mental problems got out of hand was treated as a [[MyGreatestFailure mistake she regretted]]. However, to a modern audience, the idea women are supposed to take care of damaged men even at their own expense has became increasingly criticised due to it often leading to abusive relationships, and so MJ deciding to leave Harry (who shortly after became violent and unstable) looks more like her recognising serious red flags and understandably prioritising her own safety. The later reveals about her backstory even adds additional context, as it makes it even more reasonable why she wouldn't want to stay in a relationship with a mentally unstable drug-user.
363* VindicatedByHistory: The Black Suit arc was widely disliked during publication due to changing Spidey's iconic costume and the attempts at making it DarkerAndEdgier to fit in with the Dark Age of Comics. Nowadays, the Black Suit is remembered more fondly thanks to later adaptations adding more interesting twists to it and for leading into the creation of [[BreakoutVillain Venom]].
364* WTHCostumingDepartment:
365** While most of the alterations that have been made to Black Cat's outfit over the years have been fairly minor--replacing white elements with black, adding or removing fur--she has had three radical redesigns, none of which have been very good:
366*** At one point during the 1980s, she donned [[https://i.imgur.com/AdekFdX.jpg a garish ensemble]] that looked kind of like a DistaffCounterpart to the infamous "[[https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/2748981-tumblr_l0ss6tusob1qzr2ako1_400.jpeg disco suit]]" once worn by ComicBook/{{Nightwing}}.
367*** In the ''Claws'' duology, she had TooManyBelts, big bulky brown knee and elbow pads, exoskeletal gloves, and a weird mask that gave her fluorescent green AnimalEyes.
368*** Her "[[EvilCostumeSwitch evil]]" costume that she gained in 2014. When it first appeared, it was fine: all of the white fur has been made black and she got a serrated chain-whip thing as a belt (though it admittedly [[SticksToTheBack had no apparent means of actually attaching to her]].) And cat eyes were put on her chest that made her rather creepy. Cool. Then it appeared again and the cat eyes were moved to her shoulders... and she now basically has a cat head on her chest... because her boobs form the cat's nose... yes, really. And we're suppose to take her seriously as a threat. The result of this is one of the stupidest costumes ever conceived in the Modern Age that looks like it belongs to a one-shot, Z-list Silver Age villain.
369* {{Wangst}}:
370** Spider-Man tends to fall into this when written poorly. Normally is one of two ways: he mopes around way too much about how things tend to go wrong in his life due to being Spider-Man, and/or he blames himself for pretty much EVERYTHING bad that happens around him, even for things that aren't his fault in the slightest (this is what fans mean when they say Peter has a "guilt complex"). His "Parker is dead, I am the Spider!" phase in the '90s and ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' are the most frequently cited examples. Some claim he had a lot of this in the early Lee/Ditko stories too before John Romita took Ditko's place and lightened things up. And the [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy Sam Raimi films]] are pretty guilty of this as well due to taking influence from the Ditko era.
371** Almost every time Peter ran into Venom in the 80s and 90s, he'd constantly remind the audience that he brought the Symbiote to Earth and that makes it his responsibility. What makes it worse is that a lot of the time this was ''after'' he'd already made his pact with Venom, so it did feel like he was just whining for the sake of it.
372** Brock during the ''Lethal Protector'' run. One could argue that Brock has always had this problem, but the difference is that beforehand his Wangst was ''meant'' to be seen as senseless, pathetic and wrong, whereas when he was made into a hero we were suddenly supposed to actually see him as the victim he had always insisted he was.
373* WinBackTheCrowd:
374** Gwen Stacy in recent years, largely thanks to her adaptations and [[AlternateUniverseReedRichardsIsAwesome alternate versions]]. Weirdly enough, her death was also this. Before her death, Gwen was seen as bland and stuffy, and as someone who loved Peter but wrongfully blamed Spider-Man for her father's death, few fans expected that the relationship would really last. But her death especially for the young readers starting out made her into a beloved SacredCow and her modern alternate versions especially ''Spider-Gwen'' is seen by many as a compelling take on a character that actually spun out into other media as a cool imagining of a supporting character.
375** The restoration of Felicia's memories of Peter's identity in Nick Spencer's run and her being back to a thief, [[EveryoneHasStandards albeit one with some moral lines she won't cross]], have been greatly appreciated by fans that disliked the turn the character took ever since One More Day reset the Spider-Man status quo.
376* TheWoobie:
377** Considering what her abusive ex-boyfriend (not Biff Rifkin) did to her, and how Peter frequently blew her off and took their friendship for granted, Debra Whitman is a classic example.
378%%** Spider-Man himself. Also an IronWoobie as he never lets the hardships he experiences keep him down for long.
379** Mary Jane, given her depressing backstory and abusive father and for the struggles and hardships she has to go through just to be with her soul-mate.
380%%** The little kid who collected Spider-Man.
381%%** Slyde, the loser supervillain that Spidey never remembers.
382%%** Harry, sometimes crossed with JerkassWoobie.
383%%** Kaine, especially in the "Sibling Rivalry" crossover with ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan.
384** Sometimes crosses with JerkassWoobie but Felicia does have a great deal of tragedy in her life. Her dad went to jail when she was a kid, she was date raped by her college boyfriend, both her relationships with Peter and Flash ended badly (though she was to blame both times) and in the case of Peter it is clear that she deeply regrets it. Superior Spider-Man has her getting beat up by Ock and thrown in jail which causes her to lose everything and end up becoming a mob boss. In Nick Spencer's run, it is revealed that Felicia was aware that she used to know Spider-Man's secret identity and was very close to him but doesn't remember his name or what he looks like under the mask. This was a source of great emotional turmoil for her and was also what influenced her decision to become a mob boss.
385* WTHCostumingDepartment:
386** Kaine's costume. If you flipped the chest & back designs around, it'd look more like a superhero costume, but as it is, from certain angles it looks like Kaine's wearing a onesie on top of a black & red Spider-Man costume.
387** Ben's [[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/a/a4/Ben_Reilly_Scarlet_Spider_Vol_1_1_Solicit.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170124004512 second Scarlet Spider suit.]] An overwhelmingly large majority of people hate the look, with many feeling like it's a bad combination of Spidercide and a male Spider-Gwen. The costume's colours and logo are off, and while it tries to invoke the original look with a hoodie, the less thrown-together nature of it makes it look like a copy of Spider-Gwen's hoodie. Then there's the visible mouth, which people thought was a rip-off of Deadpool. To say people are not pleased with the look is an understatement. With such huge backlash, Marvel relented and not only made it clear that Ben would go back to his original outfit as soon as possible, but even changed the ''cover of the first issue'' of his new series so that he was wearing his old outfit.
388
389!!Examples from Spider-Man in Comics
390!!! 616
391* ''YMMV/TheAmazingSpiderManLeeAndDitko''
392* ''YMMV/TheNightGwenStacyDied''
393* ''YMMV/KravensLastHunt''
394* ''YMMV/MaximumCarnage''
395* ''YMMV/TheCloneSaga''
396* ''YMMV/TheAmazingSpiderManJMichaelStraczynski''
397* ''YMMV/OneMoreDay''
398* ''YMMV/BrandNewDay''
399* ''YMMV/TheAmazingSpiderManDanSlott''
400* ''YMMV/TheAmazingSpiderMan2018''
401* ''YMMV/TheAmazingSpiderMan2022''
402
403!!! Alternate Universe
404* ''YMMV/SupermanVsTheAmazingSpiderMan''
405* ''YMMV/SpiderGirl''
406* ''YMMV/UltimateSpiderMan''
407* ''YMMV/SpiderManNoir''
408* ''YMMV/SpiderMan2099''
409* ''YMMV/TheAmazingSpiderManRenewYourVows''
410
411!!Examples from Spider-Man from other media
412* YMMV/SpiderMan1967
413* YMMV/SpiderManJapan
414* YMMV/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries
415* YMMV/SpiderMan2000
416* YMMV/SpiderManWebOfShadows
417* YMMV/SpiderManShatteredDimensions
418* YMMV/SpiderManTrilogy
419* YMMV/SpiderManTheNewAnimatedSeries
420* YMMV/TheSpectacularSpiderMan
421* YMMV/TheAmazingSpiderMan
422* YMMV/MarvelsSpiderMan
423* YMMV/SpiderManHomecoming
424* YMMV/SpiderManPS4
425* YMMV/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse
426* YMMV/SpiderManFarFromHome
427* YMMV/SpiderManNoWayHome

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