Line #10 YMMV/SilentHill3


1	* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
2	** While Vincent claims he has a lot of materialistic reasons in opposing Claudia (he lives quite well on the Order's budget and doesn't want the world to end so he can keep doing that), there are a couple indications that he has ideological disagreements with her as well. While money is a major factor, he still does seem to worship the same entity and finds Claudia's ideas for their God too out of line with what "should" happen.
3	** Vincent's "They looked like monsters to you?" is one of the game's {{Signature Scene}}s and one of the most quoted lines from the franchise. To this day fans are divided endlessly as to whether he was telling the truth about just joking or if he was lying about that as well. Considering how much of a smug and petty {{Troll}} he is, the former would be in-character, but his seemingly genuine bafflement when she first calls them monsters makes one wonder...
4	** Is Claudia a WellIntentionedExtremist who wants what she thinks is best for mankind by bringing God into the world, or, as Vincent suggests, is she a PsychopathicWomanchild desperately searching for love and acceptance, all while trying to justify her actions as being for the greater good? There are indicators for both, with the former being her genuine guilt for her sin against Heather and realization that she won't be saved, and the latter is her naïve belief that despite all the horrors of the Otherworld, she desperately wants to believe that God has ultimately good intentions.
5	* AntiClimaxBoss: Leonard [[spoiler:Wolf]] is very simple to deal with, provided you have ammo and health in reserve. He lumbers around slowly, and submerges to try and ambush you, but is very easy to run circles around. Even if you're out of ammo, it's more of a waiting game and a test of patience as you anticipate him resurfacing so you can deliver melee blows.
6	* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic:
7	** As is to be expected from Music/AkiraYamaoka, the music is excellent. The individual tracks range from harsh industrial drones to chilled out trip hop to catchy alt-rock, and all of it is good.
8	** [[https://youtu.be/UkumV_dHbkg "You're Not Here"]], the opening theme. Harsh, discordant and unnerving, but a powerful and pulse-pounding piece of alt-rock all the same.
9	* BigLippedAlligatorMoment:
10	** The ghost in the subway and the Happy Birthday phone call in the hospital.
11	---> '''Unknown caller:''' Happy birthday, dear... I'm sorry. I forgot your name.\
12	'''Heather:''' Who are you?\
13	'''Unknown caller:''' Oh... okay. Happy birthday dear "Hooaryou"...
14	** On subsequent playthroughs, in the sewers you have the option to drop the steel pipe into the water. This spawns a fairy who presents two pipes, one made of silver and another made of gold. If you refuse both you get to keep both and you get your steel pipe back. There are no future references to it other than Heather thinking about pawning the gold pipe. It only happens in NewGamePlus, so it's really just a shout out to an [[HonestAxe old legend]] that's been referenced by [[OlderThanTheyThink pretty much everything ever.]] The HD Collection gives a trophy for this event, called "[[LampshadeHanging What the Hill just happened?]]"
15	* ContestedSequel: Nowhere as severe as other entries in the series especially since it’s been VindicatedByHistory as one of the best ''Silent Hill'' games, but still there. Some view this game as an EvenBetterSequel to the series, praising the improved graphics and controls, as well as appreciating the decision to make it a direct sequel to the [[VideoGame/SilentHill1 very first game]] with the return of The Order, and [[spoiler:the reveal of Heather being Cheryl/Alessa.]] Other fans, meanwhile, feel it suffers ToughActToFollow, especially coming after the universally beloved ''VideoGame/SilentHill2'', criticizing certain parts of the game as being too difficult to consider fun or scary, thought it dragged on for far too long before actually going to Silent Hill and found said return of the cult story to be weaker and less interesting thematically compared to dealing with personal demons, believing the Silent Hill series never needed a direct sequel in general. Then there’s [[TakeAThirdOption others]] who enjoy both 2 and 3 and agree that they’re great games in their own way.
16	* CreepyCute: The way how ''Numb Bodies'' sadly walk around while constantly mourning and sobbing makes them look downright adorable.
17	* DemonicSpiders:
18	** The Slurper enemies, which are fond of repeatedly knocking Heather to the ground and crawling on top of her for damage. Fighting them is often a futile endeavor due to their twitchy speed and numbers. Running past them is also not a good idea for the same reasons. Hope you have some beef jerky ready.
19	** The Brookhaven Nurses again, especially the ones holding ''guns''.
20	* EnsembleDarkhorse:
21	** Considering he doesn't actually appear except his body, there is a surprisingly large number of Stanley Coleman fanfics on the net.
22	** Vincent. A lot of fans found him to be one of the most interesting psychos in the series, with his [[DeadpanSnarker dry humor]] and SmugSnake attitude. The fact that he is your ally of sorts doesn't hurt.
23	** Although he's a very minor monster who doesn't even attack the player, Valtiel is very much memorable in the fandom.
24	** Less of a character and more of an ad poster, but the [[BrandX Minmo cat food]] ad (and the cat that appears in the ad itself) has an increasing number of fans due to its [[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNUJ9W3XcAEAjJf.jpg hilariously awful design.]]
25	* EpilepticTrees: The game's SignatureLine "They look like monsters to you?" seems tailor-made to encourage this among the fandom. Since WordOfGod doesn't offer any concrete explanation as to what Vincent was getting at, theories range from the "monsters" appearing as divine beings to members of The Order, to once-human cultists transformed and corrupted by Silent Hill's evil influence, to Heather being an insane mass killer and butchering innocent bystanders.
26	* FanNickname: The Nurses are often referred to as [=BrookhavenNurses=] to distinguish them from those in other games.
27	* GameBreaker: The Unlimited Sub Machine Gun. Sure using it reduces your endgame ranking in proportion to how much you use it, but it's the next best thing to GodMode and requires little thought to use. It isn't even difficult to unlock; simply land a killing blow on the final boss with a melee weapon and it's yours soon after staring a NewGamePlus and leaving the starting bathroom (it's on a stack of boxes at one end of the alley).
28	* GoddamnedBats:
29	** Closers may be large and intimidating, but they're often too slow to be much of a danger. That said, their size does become an annoyance in narrow pathways if you're either in a hurry or not feeling like fighting them.
30	** The Pendulums, mostly because of that loud, hellish noise that accompanies them while in flight. It's pretty scary at first, but eventually just becomes grating.
31	* GoodBadBugs:
32	** It's possible to force the Missionary Boss into a corner, making him much easier to fight.
33	** Nurses can sometimes get stuck near corners making it hard for them to hit you but easy for you to hit them.
34	* HarsherInHindsight: Douglas' already bittersweet declaration "Nobody's gonna cry over my grave anyway," in response to the risk he is about to take, driving Heather to Silent Hill. His actor, Richard Grosse, died three months after completing his dialogue and two months before the game's initial release.
35	* HilariousInHindsight: Having Heather run around the hellish landscape of Silent Hill in her MagicalGirl costume is pretty amusing since the popularity of ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica''.
36	** The UFO ending's song starts with the singer asking "Now tell me everyone, aren't you sick and tired of that ol' UFO ending?" Silent Hill 4 would be the first game in the franchise to NOT have a UFO ending.
37	** So, the plot of Silent Hill 3 involves [[spoiler: a female antagonist [[YouKilledMyFather murdering the teenaged female protagonist's father figure]] as revenge for [[SpannerInTheWorks having interfered with a "world-saving" ritual]] to save the life of his surrogate daughter many years ago in a previous game in the franchise, thus driving the protagonist into a blind rage and following the female antagonist to a resort town for revenge.]] [[VideoGame/TheLastOfUsPartII Sounds familiar]]? Moreover, in the "HD Collection", Claudia is voiced by Creator/LauraBailey, Abby's voice actress.
38	* ItsShortSoItSucks:
39	** It's less that "it's short" and more "it's oddly-paced": Heather takes [[SlowPacedBeginning nearly half of the game to find her motive]] for coming to Silent Hill, making the rest of the game seem short by comparison. That said, the [[http://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=8526 relative shortness]] of the game was a major criticism of some reviews, such as the one for the unofficial ''[=PlayStation=] Magazine'' (''PSM'').
40	** This near-halfway point is also the point in the game when the "Revenge" (UFO) ending can be achieved on NewGamePlus, making the playthrough [[NoFinalBossForYou indeed very short]] -- though to achieve this ending [[DoubleUnlock necessitates]] [[ChainOfDeals jumping through a lot of hoops]] in that time, as well as [[DoubleUnlock in previous full playthroughs of the game]].
41	* ItWasHisSled: Good luck finding ''anyone'' who doesn't know that Heather and her father are [[spoiler:Cheryl (the second) and Harry Mason from the [[VideoGame/SilentHill1 first game]].]] The former's guest appearance in ''VideoGame/DeadByDaylight'' doesn't even bother to hide it [[spoiler: as the game only ever calls her Cheryl instead of Heather, and freely uses the Mason surname]].
42	* JerkassWoobie: Claudia may be a psychotic religious fanatic, but her father used to beat her so badly that memory of it was burned into ''Vincent's'' brain somehow. Then her best friend when she was a little kid disappeared, as did the woman who rescued her from her father.
43	* MemeticBadass: Heather is noted for her DeadpanSnarker personality and for being the bravest protagonist in the series. Fandom will sometimes exaggerate it to make her a badass katana-wielding OneManArmy against the hordes of monsters and cultists.
44	* MemeticMutation:
45	** "It's bread."[[labelnote:explanation]]While in the bakery, you can examine the bread, and Heather will make this [[SarcasmMode insightful observation]]. The full line is, "It's bread. But I'm not really hungry, so I guess I don't need to worry about it."[[/labelnote]]
46	* MoralEventHorizon:
47	** Claudia becomes completely unforgivable this when she [[spoiler: murders Harry]]. She's seemingly aware of this in-universe as well, believing she does not have a place in Paradise because of it.
48	** Alternatively, [[spoiler:messing with Heather in the chapel in order to get her to birth God. The Vincent-stabbing was justified, though, what with the whole backstabbing and all.]]
49	* {{Narm}}:
50	** Joe Rybicki of the ''Official [=PlayStation=] Magazine'' found the Closers to be this in his overall positive review of the game, dismissing them as giant sock monkeys and wondering how he was supposed to be afraid of them.
51	** In general the Closers can be this. Whether they're sock monkeys or [[VideoGame/BlazBlue Taokaka]], many players have considered it to be the least scary monster in the game.
52	** The Insane Cancers may not have the intended result of scaring the player, given that they're not the most mobile and their obese figure may make them hard to take seriously. Even if you are creeped out by the DeadWeight aspect of their appearance, the fact that they deflate like an air mattress once killed is almost objectively funny-looking.
53	** Heather receives a bizarre "Happy Birthday" call with a creepy tone to it and by the time it's finished, all she can say is "But...[[SkewedPriorities it's not my birthday...]]"
54	** The song "Letter From the Lost Days" on the soundtrack can fall victim to this. While the musical and vocal performances are very good, the lyrics can come across as overly sentimental and cheesy for a game like this, and seem to suffer from a case of GratuitousEnglish due to the awkward phrasing. Thankfully this doesn't detract much from the quality of the song as the performance is still great, and it's barely noticeable in the game itself due to the song being played in the background of one of the game's darker scenes.
55	* NarmCharm: "SHUT YOUR STINKING MOUTH, BITCH!" GoshDangItToHeck as that line may be, it's delivered so passionately it crosses over into awesome.
56	* NauseaFuel: The scene preceding the FinalBoss can be hard to stomach even by the series' standards. [[spoiler: Heather vomits up the fetus of the Order's God, then Claudia ''eats it'' to birth the God herself.]]
57	* ParanoiaFuel:
58	** "They looked like monsters to you?" ...Oh no. Douglas does state at the end of the Mall level that he also sees the monsters. And yet, killing too many monsters pushes you towards the Bad Ending...
59	** Valtiel. He never attacks you, and is always just out of reach, and just... watches. He's a thoroughly disturbing reinforcement of the stalker theme that Stanley represents.
60	* PlayerPunch:
61	** [[spoiler:Harry's death. Doubly so for those who played the first game]].
62	** The infamous WhamLine of the game. Almost makes you think twice about the enemies you've faced. Sure, Vincent immediately follows it up by saying he was kidding, but he's so creepily smug about it, you almost expect that he's lying about kidding.
63	** [[spoiler:Vincent's death]] is this as well. Yes, [[spoiler:he was a [[SinisterMinister greedy]], [[SmugSnake slimy]], [[MagnificentBastard slippery bastard]]; and [[AssholeVictim he deserved the end he got]]. [[SympathyForTheDevil Still, though...]]]]
64	* PortingDisaster: The ''HD Collection'' release, much like ''VideoGame/SilentHill2'', used an unfinished beta for the port. Not only does it look darker than its [=PS2=] counterpart with a murkier color pallet, but it’s prone to slowdown on many occasions making it unplayable at times. It also has a habit of crashing and freezing sometimes for doing something as simple as ''entering another room or picking up items'' and at one point the fog is colored cyan blue.
65	* QuestionableCasting: Creator/AmandaWinnLee’s re-dubbed performance as Heather in the ''HD Collection'' was met with this reaction. Like ''VideoGame/SilentHill2'' voiceover changes it’s not that she’s a bad actor, more so she sounded too ''old'' to be playing a spunky teenager.
66	* SequelDifficultySpike: The quantity of ammo and health pick-ups varies based on your performance; they can become far more scarce in this game then they were in the first two. In addition, the enemies are much tougher and have a wider variety of attack methods. At the very least, Heather can now block certain attacks to minimize damage -- a very helpful thing to remember when facing Insane Cancers.
67	* SignatureScene:
68	** Heather and Vincent's meeting in the library, for dropping the game's [[WhamLine biggest bombshell]]: "Monsters...? They looked like monsters to you?" Joking or not, many say that in a PsychologicalHorror series with BodyHorror and disturbing sexual undertones to go around, [[PlayerPunch that one line is the scariest moment in the entire franchise]].
69	** The infamous mirror room scare counts as this as well.
70	** [[spoiler:Heather returning home to find her father, Harry Mason, dead.]]
71	* SlowPacedBeginning: A common criticism many take from the game is that it takes about the halfway point before the characters actually ''go'' to Silent Hill. The first half is spent getting Heather back home, and while there are some hints at her past by characters from the town, nothing of real importance happens until she gets home.
72	* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: [[https://youtu.be/UkumV_dHbkg "You're Not Here"]] in the [[AttractMode main-menu idle trailer]] sounds very similar to [[https://youtu.be/1rIiaGIvGwg "New Year's Day"]] by Music/{{U2}}, albeit probably by coincidence.
73	* ThatOneLevel: The Mall is large and generally confusing to navigate, the game throws difficult enemies at you and this is not helped by the fact that [[GuideDangIt several doors you need to go through are not marked on the map.]] This is ''the first level of the game''.
74	* ThatOnePuzzle: The Shakespeare Books in the mall, as well as the Cock Robin and Mutilation Poem from the Brookhaven Hospital are all [[MoonLogicPuzzle extremely obtuse]] in Hard Puzzle mode, either because the devs expected the player to have deep knowledge of rather niche subjects or because they didn't quite playtest them enough (in the case of the Cock Robin one, it was because of '''''both'''''). The game's entry in MoonLogicPuzzle and the main page itself (under GuideDangIt) offer more information about it.
75	* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: For a [=PS2=] game the visuals of this game is both excellent and horrifying, allowing for very memorable and detailed Otherworld locations and overlay effects on both enemies and the scenery. The character models have also improved from ''VideoGame/SilentHill2'', allowing for more expressive facial animations and detailed clothing and hair.
76	* TheWoobie: Heather for a good chunk of the game. Her character design was made to make it seem like she was constantly slightly teary-eyed, which fits for the first portion of the game where all she wants is to get home and get away from her hellish surroundings. [[FromBadToWorse It gets worse]] when she finds out [[spoiler:her father has been murdered]], with the double whammy reveal being [[spoiler:she's Cheryl from [[VideoGame/SilentHill1 the first Silent Hill]]]] meaning her father is none other than [[spoiler:''Harry'', who was the main focus of that game]].

Context YMMV / SilentHill3