Line #14 YMMV/Madeline


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4	* CommonKnowledge:
5	** Miss Clavel is not a nun. Yes, she dresses the part, but she's never once been referred to as 'Sister'. That there are two forerunners to Miss Clavel in Madeline's debut story ''The Golden Basket'', one of them being named Sister Angeline, may be a contributor. This is such a common misconception that Bemelmans' grandson and successor has had to go on record that Miss Clavel is not a nun.
6	*** The Filipino dub refers to her as "Sister Clavel", though, and she's portrayed as a nun in the 1998 film too.
7	** The place the girls are staying at isn't an orphanage, it's a boarding school. Madeline herself is an orphan in two adaptations, but not all. Much like Miss Clavel as a nun, this is a common enough misconception that Bemelmans' grandson and successor has had to go on record that building is not an orphanage.
8	** People frequently claim that Madeline's adventures are set in 1939, during World War II. 1939 was the year her spin-off book was published, she herself first appeared in 1936 in ''The Golden Basket''. The books (excluding ''Madeline at the White House'', which has a 1960's setting) and animated series take place in an unspecified time in the 1930s, while the live-action film takes place in the 1950s.
9	** While popularly thought of as French due to the setting, Madeline is actually American, with family in Texas and the book ''Madeline at the White House'' by Bemelmans' grandson has established that her mother is a friend of the first lady, who has a daughter Madeline's age. Though this wasn't revealed until ''Madeline in America'' was published long after Ludwig Bemelmans' death .Only the animated series explicitly portrayed her as French, with the shorts from the 50's not giving her a nationality, the episode from ''Shirley Temple's Storybook'' correctly portraying her as American, and the film seemingly portraying her as British. Much like Miss Clavel being a nun and the place being an orphanage, this is also common enough that Bemelmans' grandson and successor has had to go on record that Madeline is not French.
10	* NightmareFuel: Madeline falling off the bridge into the water in both versions of ''Madeline's Rescue'' and the movie. The narrators of the book and the TV special do not hesitate in mentioning that Madeline would have died had Genevieve not come to her rescue.
11	-->''"Poor Madeline would now be dead,''\
12	''But for a dog that kept its head,''\
13	''And dragged her safe from a watery grave."''
14	* OlderThanTheyThink:
15	** A character with whom Madeline gets ShipTease with originated with the unseen secret admirer Herman in ''Four Color Comics'' #796, titled "Madeline and Genevieve" in 1942. Pepito did not appear in the franchise until 1956.
16	** Lord Cucuface's name being changed to Lord Covington in the 1998 film was preceded by the ''Shirley Temple's Storybook'' episode in 1960 which changed his name to Mr. Murgittroyd. Likewise the idea of a SettingUpdate also originates with that episode, setting it in the then present day if the mention of Creator/FrankieAvalon and television is any indication. The AdaptationalHeroism for the Gypsies in the animated special of "Madeline and the Gypsies" also originates from this episode.
17	* ToyShip: Madeline and Pepito are a very popular ship among fans, for their growth from [[BelligerentSexualTension enemies]] to friends in ''Madeline and the Bad Hat'' and their close friendship from then on. It helps that one episode of the animated series even has Madeline kiss Pepito on the cheek and Pepito blush in response at one point.
18	* ViewerGenderConfusion: Pepito is male, but the books and [=DiC=] animated series give him a more feminine appearance, with hair just as long as Madeline's. The film averts this.
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22	* {{Narm}}: "Lord Cucuface, beware! Genevieve, noblest dog in all of France, you shall have your ven-ge-ance!" For the record, that line did not appear in the TV special. The movie did include the second sentence, albeit with a normal pronunciation of "vengeance".
23	* NightmareFuel: There's Pepito in ''Madeline and the Bad Hat'' (and its Cinar adaptation), who before he came around is gifted with a tool chest by Miss Clavel, which he uses to build himself a ''guillotine''. With this, he beheads his chickens to cook for dinner. The girls and Miss Clavel react to this sight about as well as you'd expect.
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27	* AdaptationDisplacement:
28	** There was a 1950's short, too. It's vaguely remembered, though it was put on the DVD release of the 1998 film.
29	** In the books and early specials, Madeline's parents are known to be alive, and even appeared in the Christmas special. The live-action film, in which she's an orphan, caused [=DiC=] to retcon her into an orphan, much to the confusion of many. Although to be fair, only in ''Lost in Paris'' was she vividly portrayed as an orphan not unlike the live-action film, while the animated series after the movie does little to nothing about referencing that.
30	* AllAnimationIsDisney: [=DiC=] was owned by Disney at the time the series and ''Lost in Paris'' were produced, which made many people believe that the ''Madeline'' TV series and first DirectToVideo movie were from Disney (It doesn't help that ''Lost in Paris'', at least the original 1999 release before it was rereleased on DVD by Shout! Factory, opens with the text "Disney Presents")
31	* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: ''Long Live the King of Chocolate''. It isn't {{Aesop}}-y like most of the songs and is ''very'' catchy.
32	* FridgeBrilliance: In ''Lost in Paris'', a man named Horst, who claims to be Madeline's relative from Vienna, Austria brings suspicion to Madeline because he trips on a suitcase and says "Sacre bleu!". It seems weird, considering that TranslationConvention is in play and they would ''already'' be speaking French to one another... but then you realise that he is saying it in a ''French'' accent - it's not the fact that he temporarily spoke in French that made Madeline suspicious, it was the OohMeAccentsSlipping.
33	* FridgeHorror: The last act of "My Fair Madeline" up until [[spoiler:Emma tells the King of England the truth about Madeline's role in the heist]] is full of this in regards to Miss Cleval, Lord Cucuface and potentially France in general. [[spoiler:As far as the King knew, this French nun who ran a boarding house and the politician who bankrolls her knowingly brought a thief into his country with the backing of the French government, and said thief very nearly steals the Crown Jewels after being caught trespassing in the palace and "assaulting" one of the royal guards. At best, if Emma had not confessed, then the King could have demanded Miss Clavel and potentially the French government as a whole to pay steep reparations for Madeline's "crime". At worse, he could have considered it an ''act of war''.]]
34	* HarsherInHindsight:
35	** "Lost in Paris", a story about Madeline being forced to work in a sweatshop, becomes this after the 2007 abduction and [[NeverFoundTheBody possible murder]] of Madeleine [=McCann=].
36	** And InUniverse example in the movie: when Uncle Horst brings the girls lace collars as gifts, it seems like a sweet sentiment from a relative who just met his niece just now. ...And then later in the movie, you learn about the Lace Factory, and all those orphaned girls who slaved to make them.
37	* HilariousInHindsight:
38	** Creator/{{CINAR}} came up with the initial ideas for the specials and partnered with [=DiC=] to execute it. Then Cinar went their way when the partnership ended while [=DiC=] went on to make the the TV series and two specials. Almost two decades later, CINAR became Creator/CookieJar and subsequently bought [=DiC=], and then merged.
39	** One episode is "Madeline and the Hunchback of Notre Dame", in which Madeline, Pepito and the girls perform a play based on Creator/VictorHugo's novel. A year later, Disney released [[WesternAnimation/TheHunchbackOfNotreDameDisney their adaptation of ''Hunchback'']]...and a year after that, added ''Madeline'' to it’s lineup of shows. Then, in 2002, Disney's adaptation got [[WesternAnimation/TheHunchbackOfNotreDameII a direct-to-video sequel]] which gave Quasimodo a love interest named... Madellaine.
40	* {{Moe}}: Moreso with the animated series than anything else. The characters are all designed in an adorable, endearing way, and their actions can tug at the heartstrings.
41	* NightmareFuel: According to a number of complaints filed by parents at the time the special was released, ''Lost in Paris'' was full of this to their children. It doesn't help that the movie features Madeline being lured from the old house to a sweatshop where she is forced to participate in a child labor ring.
42	* QuestionableCasting: ''My Fair Madeline'' had Creator/WhoopiGoldberg (yes, ''[[Film/TheColorPurple1985 THAT]]'' [[Film/JumpinJackFlash Whoopi]] [[Film/SisterAct Goldberg]]) [[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0340228/ as Miss Clavel]].
43	* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: ''Lost in Paris'' has the song [[https://youtu.be/QtSnc8fnEhk "We Can Sing, We Can Dance"]], which is rather similar to [[WesternAnimation/BeautyAndTheBeast "Be Our Guest"]], complete with similar lyrics. The fact that [[AllAnimationIsDisney Disney originally released the special on video]] doesn't help much either.
44	%%* SweetnessAversion: The early shorts are guilty of this.
45	* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Well, not so much as bleak, so much as frustrating. ''My Fair Madeline'' isn't very well-liked among fans due to the main character getting [[ButtMonkey put through the wringer]] for almost no reason whatsoever as well as the conflict relying on YouHaveToBelieveMe and AdultsAreUseless tropes as very tiring. It was also blamed for possibly [[FranchiseKiller killing the franchise]].
46	* TheWoobie:
47	%% All the orphan girls in ''Lost in Paris''. ''Especially'' Fifi. (Explain what makes them Woobies.)
48	** Madeline in ''My Fair Madeline''. She becomes a ButtMonkey and goes through a lot of bad experiences just to prove that a pair of thieves were going to steal a painting and the crown's jewels.
49	* WinBackTheCrowd: ''Madeline in Tahiti'' comes off as the producers hoping to make up for Madeline's AdaptationalWimp[=/=]ButtMonkey status in ''My Fair Madeline'' by giving her a role that is more in-tune with her ActionGirl roots in the cartoon proper.
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