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1* AccidentalAesop:
2** {{Forgiveness}} can backfire (just ask Eraqus [[note]]Betrayed again, this time fatally, by the same guy.[[/note]]), ThePowerOfFriendship can fail ([[spoiler:the main trio get a BittersweetEnding[=/=]DownerEnding despite giving it their all]]), and ThePowerOfHate can be your best friend ([[spoiler:it's what lets Terra create the [[AnimatedArmor Lingering Will]], the ultimate SpannerInTheWorks against BigBad Xehanort]]).
3** Don't trust the first person you meet in an unfamiliar location - however this is somewhat debatable, as Ventus and Aqua are ''just'' as guilty.
4* AccidentalInnuendo:
5** Vanitas would occasionally tell Ventus to "Join now with your better half" during his boss fight.
6** "Dimension Links" are shortened to "D-Links". "The D" is common slang for male genitalia. After you complete every world, the game tells you "You have made a D-Link with [[MrFanservice Terra]] / [[MsFanservice Aqua]] / [[BestialityIsDepraved Mickey]]..."
7** The game's title of ''Birth By Sleep'' has an unfortunate mix with the game's opening world of [[WesternAnimation/SleepingBeauty Enchanted Dominion]], given if you remember the way Aurora wakes up in the original version of the fairytale...
8** During his visit to Destiny Islands: Terra initiates the Keyblade Inheritance Ceremony towards Riku (a young boy that time)...by having him touch his aforementioned blade and telling him not to tell anyone, lest the "magic" disappear.
9* AnticlimaxBoss:
10** [[WesternAnimation/LiloAndStitch Captain Gantu]] may be physically imposing and armed with a ray gun, but in battle, his moves are pathetically easy to avoid and leave him wide open to attacks. There's even a Reaction Command that stuns him for a few seconds, letting Aqua whale on him with impunity, but she won't need it.
11** For all the buildup of Master Xehanort as a powerful and despicable villain, Terra's final fight against him is remarkably straightforward. It's even possible to beat him just by tapping the attack button and watching him make little effort to avoid getting comboed to death. [[spoiler: Of course, this is all according to plan, and the fight's second phase [[ThatOneBoss completely turns the tables on Terra]].]]
12--->'''Master Xehanort:''' [[spoiler:[[WhamLine Only now have I truly won.]]]]
13** The final boss of Aqua's story, [[spoiler:Ventus-Vanitas]]. While both Terra and Ventus get some difficult opponents faced on awesome setpieces with great story build-up and reveals, Aqua essentially gets a rematch with Vanitas (who she's already faced twice before) except he has a couple of new attacks and she has Mickey to help her throughout the fight. Most of the boss' attacks are pretty easy to block or dodge and she can easily recover, and Aqua can team up with Mickey for a combo attack that deals pretty good damage. Though this is made up for by the fact Aqua is the playable character of the Final Episode and gets to face the TrueFinalBoss, which is stronger than any story boss in the individual stories.
14* AudienceColoringAdaptation: The game's portrayal of [[WesternAnimation/{{Cinderella}} Lady Tremaine]] would result in the fanbases for both ''Kingdom Hearts'' and Disney seeing her as not just a GoldDigger and [[TheSociopath Sociopath]], but also a BlackWidow, as the [[spoiler:attempted murder of Cinderella]] can prove.
15* BaseBreakingCharacter:
16** All three protagonists fall under this:
17*** Terra is either a [[TheWoobie tragic character]], or a [[TooDumbToLive complete moron that got everyone in the mess they were in]] because he [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter always seems to trust]] the ObviouslyEvil villains.
18*** Ventus has a lot of fans, but also has plenty of detractors. Fans see him as one of the series' biggest [[TheWoobie woobies]] due to his [[AbusiveParents past with Master Xehanort]] and his eventual recovery from Xehanort nearly killing him and being able move on to become a strong Keyblade wielder makes him one of the most relatable characters in the series. Detractors however see his personality as a complete retread of Sora's and think he was only written into the series just to explain why Roxas doesn't look like Sora despite being his Nobody.
19*** Aqua has a lot of detractors who find her a boring character with not a lot of personality to her outside of being the TeamMom of the cast whose inner doubts and struggles with her inner darkness aren't really explored for very long. Also, in terms of being made out to be a strong female character that she is frequently presented as, fans either think she lives up to it while others don't since she has had to be rescued a lot more than Terra and Ventus.
20** Vanitas. Some regard him as one of the best villains due to his intimidating presence, an awesome boss theme and a sympathetic backstory in the novel in which they hope that he will get an redemption arc in later games. However, some fans don't think he deserves a redemption and just wish he would stay dead, since his overall effect on the story is minimal. The fact that [[spoiler:he looks and sounds like Sora causes quite a stir as well, as some think it creates a contrast to our happy go lucky hero whereas others think that if he didn't look like Sora, Vanitas wouldn't be that interesting.]]
21** Master Eraqus is either seen as a goodhearted ParentalSubstitute towards his students who's BlackAndWhiteMorality status is seen as understandable due to the series' BrokenAesop portrayal of darkness and is also liked due to the excellent performance from Creator/MarkHamill, or he's seen as a complete idiot who's responsible for everything that has happened since he was [[EasilyForgiven way too forgiving of Xehanort]] and did not warn his students (especially Terra) to be cautious around him since he already knew Xehanort has been taken by the darkness and knew of his plans to trigger another Keyblade War.
22* BestBossEver:
23** Terra gets the Magic Mirror, an UnexpectedCharacter (since the screenshots depicted ''Aqua'' fighting it instead, something that was proven true) but also Peter Pan, Experiment 221, Braig and is the only one to fight Master Xehanort directly - something not done until ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsIII''. To say nothing of [[spoiler: Eraqus]], a truly emotional battle.
24** Ventus gets to make Captain Hook's day a living hell, he also fights Maleficent, Lucifer, and his final boss fights with Vanitas. Between [[BossRemix an amazing battle theme]], BeamSpam and just how little [[ThatOneBoss room for breathing]] he gives you Vanitas makes for a very memorable boss.
25** Aqua gets the Magic Mirror, Gantu, Maleficent Dragon, and [[spoiler: an empowered Braig]].
26* BestLevelEver: While the ''358/2 Days'' version of Never Land had a better theme, the ''Birth by Sleep'' version is often considered to be the best one, in part because you actually get to go ''to'' Never Land instead of the outskirts.
27* BigLippedAlligatorMoment:
28** The fight against the Spirit of the Mirror is this, from Aqua's perspective. She enters the castle looking for the Queen, enters the room with the mirror, immediately gets sucked into it, fights the Spirit, and when she wins, the mirror just says, "Queen's gone, nice job beating me, peace out".
29** When Terra visits Destiny Islands, he briefly sees Riku (who is a small child at this point) as Young Xehanort, then as Riku's 16-year-old self from ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII''. No explanation is given for the latter, let alone why this random future self of a little boy would mean so much to Terra.
30* BreatherBoss: [[spoiler: Peter Pan]], fought in Terra's story, is almost laughably easy no matter the difficulty. Despite Vim and Vigor playing throughout, he spends much of the fight [[GetBackHereBoss slowly floating out of reach]] until he decides to use one of ''two'' easily avoided attacks, after which you can wail on him. You don't even have to deplete all of his health. While it's justified since [[spoiler: Peter isn't taking the fight seriously]], it doesn't help that he comes after [[spoiler: [[{{ThatOneBoss}} Zack]] and [[{{LightningBruiser}} Experiment 221]]]], and before [[spoiler: [[{{ClimaxBoss}} Eraqus]]]].
31* BreatherLevel: Ven's trip to Olympus Coliseum. You beat a mob fight with the help of some party members, which can be trivialzed with Thunder Roll, break a couple of barrels with Hercules, which can also be trivialzed with Thunder Roll, and then beat another mob fight in the same area as last time, which can (surprise surprise) [[RuleOfThree be trivialzed with Thunder Roll.]] That's right, there are ''no'' bosses or threatening enemies to be found whatsoever, making this one of the easiest worlds and ironically easier than [[ThatOneLevel his trip to Disney Town.]]
32* BrokenBase:
33** There's also slight debate on the continuity of the novelization of the game concerning [[spoiler: Vanitas's backstory that paints him in a much more WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds light]]. Some people think that it doesn't make sense when compared to the actual character in the game and enter it under FanDiscontinuity (not hard to do, as the novels are a separate continuity to game canon), while others accept it and think it fleshes the character out more. [[spoiler:Then there's fangirls who take it as an excuse for DracoInLeatherPants towards Vanitas]]. This has only increased when [[spoiler: the later games went [[ForTheEvulz as extremely against]] [[CardCarryingVillain this depiction as possible]], even retconning Vanitas' whole origin in the process so that he was a pre-existing being of darkness rather than made from Ventus's heart. Some fans appreciate this, while others hate it and feel it flattens Vanitas' character.]]
34** Whether or not Aqua was right and justified in following Master Eraqus's orders to basically spy on Terra and make Ventus return to the Land of Departure is a ''big'' point of contention between fans. Detractors state that Terra and Ventus were completely in the right to feel betrayed at Aqua and Master Eraqus's lack of trust in the two, citing this as argubly the biggest factor that leads to them falling into [[spoiler: Master Xehanort's]] plans, which would not have happened if the other two placed more faith in them. Defenders point out that if it was not for Aqua following Eraqus' orders as closely as she did, she wouldn't have been there to fix the messes [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Terra and Ventus left behind after visiting various worlds]], more or less proving Eraqus's orders were the right call. They also point out that had they actually took the time to properly listen to Aqua's arguments and reasoning, Terra and Ventus wouldn't have become [[UnwittingPawn pawns]] to [[spoiler: Master Xehanort]] to the extent they end up becoming.
35* CameraScrew: Occasionally, the camera will end up behind your target instead of you, which will have you running the wrong way. More annoying, however, is when the Lock-on will randomly ''un''lock, potentially making you attack and guard in the ''wrong direction.'' Usually (but not always) the camera only unlocks after you get a certain distance from the target but it also shows no ability to realize whether it's locked onto a barrel or an enemy. This can make fights in some areas a headache if you can't switch targets quick enough.
36* CatharsisFactor:
37** It wouldn't be a ''Kingdom Hearts'' game if it didn't give you the satisfaction of beating the crap out of all the Disney villains you hated during childhood. This game lets you ''finally'' beat up the terrifying [[WesternAnimation/SnowWhiteAndTheSevenDwarfs Magic Mirror]] that frightened so many children, [[WesternAnimation/{{Cinderella}} Lady Tremaine]] and her daughters experience a KarmaHoudiniWarranty after 60 years without punishment, and [[WesternAnimation/PeterPan Captain Hook]] can be chucked into the water to be attacked by the crocodile.
38** The final battle for Ventus and Aqua give you the satisfaction of finally [[spoiler:shutting Vanitas up and wiping the grin off his face after spending the whole game a smug {{Jerkass}} that torments the protagonists.]]
39** The final battle of Terra's story. [[spoiler: After being manipulated by Xehanort for the entire game, culminating in Terra's body being stolen by the man after being tricked into weakening his heart by using darkness, Terra having his soul possess his Keyblade armor [[ThePowerOfHate out of rage and rage alone]] and beating the man into unconsciousness while Xehanort freaks out due to this being one of the very few things that he didn't see coming feels amazing.]]
40* CharacterTiers: The characters are typically ranked in reverse order of what the story encourages you to play. Early-game the tiers are Terra > Ventus > Aqua, with Terra having the best HP and Attack stats of the three to take advantage of the powerful physical commands in most D-Links, while Aqua takes an enormous number of hits just to kill a basic Flood. Worse still, because Aqua can't D-Link with herself, she's the only one to start with no form of immediate access to Cure without use of the Command Board. Late in the game, and especially in postgame, this relationship inverts: the {{Superboss}}es all do such outrageous amounts of damage that relying on HP is a pointless endeavor, with the most viable strategy being to instead abuse invincibility frames to avoid damage altogether. Ventus and Aqua can both have perfect i-frame coverage by spamming their basic Dodge Roll and Cartwheel abilities, while Terra's Slide leaves him vulnerable at the start and end of it, turning Mysterious Figure in particular into an outright LuckBasedMission. [[JackOfAllStats Ventus, in both early and endgame, stays squarely in the middle.]]
41* CommonKnowledge: Terra is best known to be incredibly trusting of all of the ObviouslyEvil villains and easily tricked into working for them, but this isn't true. He's immediately suspicious of most of the Disney villains and just plays along with their plans for a bit, with Jumba and Hook being the only ones to successfully trick him. The misconception stems from Terra's interactions with Xehanort, which happen frequently and are integral to making the plot work, and even then, Xehanort purposely makes himself seem sympathetic to Terra by acting as a mentor to him, while Eraqus holds Xehanort in high regard at that point. Ergo, Terra trusting him isn't even that unusual. Additionally? Ventus and Aqua are ''just as'' guilty of trusting the first person they meet whenever they enter a world - they just happen to encounter the heroes and thus the viewers are generally more forgiving - in part because of FourthWallMyopia.
42* ComplacentGamingSyndrome: The game's balancing and a number of other factors lead to players using very homogenized Command Decks that contain some combination of four commands: [[GameBreaker Thunder Surge]], [[GrenadeSpam Mine Square]], [[SmartBomb Mega Flare]], and [[HealingFactor Curaga]]. This is best exemplified with the universally recommended strategy for Mysterious Figure, which is to stuff the deck with literally nothing but Thunder Surge and a couple Curagas and rely on ''only'' Thunder Surge to do damage. The game has approximately fifty different commands that can be equipped, but all of the others are inferior versions of these four.
43* ContestedSequel: There are a good many people who regard this game as one of the better in the series, if not the best, mostly due to its battle system, the interesting story and refreshing three-POV narrative. However, the game also has many detractors among both fans and critics alike due to combat-related issues (including the lack of enemy knockback, poor combat balancing, and unpredictable boss AI among other problems) and story-related issues that weren't present until this entry in the franchise. Nonetheless, it's usually considered the best out of the myriad of non-numbered spinoff titles released between ''II'' and ''III'', all of which are {{Contested Sequel}}s in their own right, particularly with its ''Final Mix'' version.
44* DemonicSpiders:
45** The Mandrake Unversed, small plant-like enemies that shoot projectiles at you from a great distance and tend to spawn in trios, ensuring a constant rain of fire. They'll interrupt your attacks, stun you for other enemies to land hits, and will definitely annoy the hell out of you. They also attack ''outside'' of combat and are unable to be targeted by Shotlocks until they pop out of the ground! And then when you approach them to kill them, they spray a mist that variably inflicts Confusion or Poison on you.
46** Wild Bruisers are tough and can hit hard with their widespread area damage. These enemies are also completely immune to magnet magic unlike other enemies.
47* DisappointingLastLevel: The final world is exactly three screens long. Enter it, pick up the treasure chests in the first screen, go to the second area and fight your way past some Unversed to get to the third area with a save point, shop, and no enemies. That's all there is to it, and if you're quick you don't need to fight the Unversed in the second area.
48* DracoInLeatherPants: Vanitas. Although few fans will argue that his actions in-game aren't evil, there's a lot of support for his WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds characterization from the novelization, as well as the idea that [[spoiler:Master Xehanort]] was an abusive master towards him and his motive [[spoiler:to join with Ventus and become whole again]] was sympathetic in a way. There was even speculation that he'll get a redemption arc later in the series.[[note]]Ironically, the series ended up taking the exact opposite route, positioning Vanitas as gleefully and willfully evil even apart from Xehanort, with his desire to join with Ventus framed as wholly selfish and unnecessary.[[/note]] However, some fans will use this to make out Vanitas to be a person who never did anything wrong and really is polite, anxious, desperately craving love while the game contradicts this. In order to make Vanitas more sympathetic, Ventus, Aqua and Terra are pieced to be monsters in fanon works, suggesting Aqua attacked Vanitas without warning with a cheap shot, the trio ruthlessly slaughtering unversed with no remorse, Ventus rejecting Vanitas as a selfish need, not because his very existence was being threatened.
49%%Do NOT ADD TERRA, AQUA OR VEN under Ensemble Dark Horse, as they are main characters, thus cannot have "dark horse" status.%%
50%%* EvilIsCool: Vanitas.
51* FanNickname:
52** [[spoiler:Terra-Xehanort]] is often referred to as [[spoiler:Terranort]].
53** [[spoiler:Ventus-Vanitas]] is sometimes called [[spoiler:Venitas]].
54** Before names were released, Master Xehanort was referred to as OBM (Old Bald Man; in the vein of BHK/Blond-Haired Kid for Roxas). When his name was released, we got affectionate nicknames such as Baldinort, Baldsem, Geezernort, Oldynort, and Grampinort.
55** In a similar vein to the above, before Vanitas' name was revealed, he was referred to as DSU (Dark-Suit Unknown, or Dark-Suited Unknown).
56** [[spoiler:There's the CaptainObvious-styled Evil Sora for Vanitas. The epilogue also gave birth to ''KH'' Jesus for [[MessianicArchetype Sora]], as well as Jesusora]].
57** A less common one for Vanitas: [[spoiler:Soranitas]].
58** "Red Eye" and "Hunter of the Dark" for the [[spoiler:Heartless that serves as the boss of the Secret Episode, later given the canon name Dark Hide]].
59** Prior to the release of ''Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep & 358/2 Days Original Soundtrack'', the song "Black Powder" [[note]]which plays during Terra's boss fight with Braig, Terra's boss fights with Vanitas and Master Xehanort, and on all three paths during the cutscene at the Keyblade Graveyard that recreates the ''Birth By Sleep'' FMV from ''Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+''[[/note]] was often referred to by fans as "A Battle of Great Valor".
60** Thanks to the Kingdom Smarts podcast Ventus has gained the nickname Baby. This stems from Jake first seeing the wayfinder trio in KH2’s secret ending. Due to Shannon’s policy of not revealing character names to him until they are given in the games Jake dubbed the trio Big Boy (Terra), Lady Armor (Aqua) and Baby (Ventus, due to him being smaller than his companions and the trio giving off a father-mother-child vibe). Since Ven’s name isn’t spoken in the game until after the prologue on Destiny Islands he’s referred to as Baby during most of that podcast episode and the nickname then stuck both on the podcast and with fans.
61* FoeYayShipping: Vanitas is shipped with Ventus and Aqua, despite his open sadism towards both of them throughout the story.
62* FourthWallMyopia: Many people, such as Webcomic/AwkwardZombie made fun of how ObviouslyEvil Xehanort is yet our trio still trust him. Or how Zack and Terra would trust the first person he sees even if it's a Disney villain. Forgetting, of course, that in the world of Kingdom Hearts, Disney movies do not exist (Thus Terra has no way to know about them). Terra usually learns his lesson - and if anything this falls into the AccidentalAesop of "Don't trust the first person you meet". Not only that, but Aqua and Ventus ''also'' do the ''exact same thing'' of trusting the first person they meet and taking things at face value - but are often forgiven because the first person they meet is usually a protagonist - if they meet a villain first off (ie Maleficent or Hades), they ''instantly'' spell out that they are evil.
63* GameBreaker: [[GameBreaker/KingdomHearts On the series' page, here]].
64* GameplayDerailment:
65** Command Melding is supposed to have a degree of blind guessing to it before you collect recipes, but nothing is actually stopping you from making extremely strong Deck Commands with good abilities immediately. Using an online guide breaks the entire system wide open to abuse as soon as you enter the first world.
66** The combat itself is victim to this, and one of the most criticized aspects of it. The player is ''meant'' to use physical attacks and command styles in tandem with commands, with the command cooldown ''supposedly'' preventing command abuse, while using Shotlocks sparingly to deal damage while avoiding damage at the cost of Focus, and D-links to change your arsenal to handle different situations. However, thanks to good old poor balancing and boss design, physical attacks quickly become obsolete and even your Shotlocks and D-links become worthless against any lategame boss or Superboss, meaning most difficult battles devolve into [[SpamAttack spamming one command repeatedly]] until [[RocketTagGameplay either the boss dies or you die.]]
67* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Braig's much more popular in the US than in Japan. Maybe his Californian accent in the English dub has something to do with it.
68* GoddamnedBats:
69** Tank Topplers are large red enemies that are very easy to damage, but when you hit them enough they turn red, become invincible, then roll around to distract you and eventually explode to damage you. The only way to prevent this is to hit them from behind, or to kill them so quickly they don't have time to [[TurnsRed turn red]].
70** Archravens steal dropped Munny you haven't picked up yet and are difficult to hit due to flying high up in the air. They're not the slightest bit threatening, but they will definitely waste your time in the Mirage Arena or other forced fights unless you have Magnet (or variants) to bring them to you.
71* GoddamnedBoss:
72** Considering who his Nobody was, Braig proves to be just as annoying a boss as his Nobody was in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'', with some even claiming he somehow manages to be ''even more annoying'' in this game than his Nobody was!
73** Ventus's final boss, [[spoiler: Vanitas, specifically phase 3]]. A PuzzleBoss in a game where they're few and far between. [[spoiler: The boss can't be damaged by normal means; Ventus has to build up his Finish gauge in order to deliver a single final blow. Problem is, unlike every other battle where the gauge builds up with every successful attack, the only way to build up the gauge here is waiting for Vanitas to attack, copying the same attack, and doing an action command. Use the wrong attack, or attack at the wrong time, and you're a sitting duck. And if you let up attacking for too long, the gauge will start to deplete. Finally, to add insult to injury, the finishing attack can ''miss''.]] Verges on ThatOneBoss territory because, due to the mechanics of the fight and the fact that your FragileSpeedster hero ''can't heal''. Oh, and if you lose, you have to fight the boss's previous phase again, too.
74** Hades, whether you fight him as Aqua or in the Mirage Arena. In both fights he relies on another boss to fight for him, and once his help is defeated, he attacks slowly, with attacks that are easily blocked and punished. However, he has one attack that, while easy to avoid, lasts a good few seconds, leaves him completely invincible, and can be ''spammed with no warning or delay at all.'' Be prepared to waste a lot of time if the AIRoulette isn't in your favor.
75** Iron Imprisoner IV, another Mirage Arena boss, mainly uses attacks you've already seen in his other forms. When he gets low on health, he starts to use desperation attacks that ''look'' very powerful and threatening...but actually aren't and only serve to waste time while leaving the boss invincible, much like Hades.
76* GoodBadBugs:
77** When all three stories are completed, you're allowed to save new data for the Final Episode. In the Final Episode, due to a boss waiting there, the battle level for Radiant Garden is higher. However, a glitch randomly caused the battle level for Radiant Garden to increase in any of the three individual stories' save data, from 6 normally to 9 or 10. Battle level determines how strong enemies are in a world and also how much experience they leave, and it happens that Radiant Garden has one of the best LevelGrinding spots in the game anyway. Players were ''hoping'' this glitch happened to them so the Radiant Garden enemies got stronger than they ought to be and rewards more experience, making it quicker to grind up for the {{Superboss}}es.
78** Most of the time, [[spoiler: Terra-Xehanort]] will eventually escape with a quick dodge if you hit him too many times in a combo, like most other humanoid bosses...unless you punish a specific attack, his shotlock, in which case he never tries to escape for some reason. Abusing this lets you use [[AwesomeButImpractical Ultimate commands]] and devastating Command Styles against him with impunity. On the more BoringButPractical side, this also allows you to [[CycleOfHurting stun-lock]] him with [[DeathOfAThousandCuts Firewheel]] as Aqua in his [[spoiler: Final Episode boss fight]], in which case the only thing keeping him above ZeroEffortBoss territory is [[ThatOneBoss his second phase.]]
79** Mashing forward on the joystick while using Aqua's Raging Storm changes it from dealing one hit every second to dealing ''[[InstantDeathRadius constant damage]]'' to anything caught in it while it's active. This shreds through HP bars of bosses and Mooks alike like a knife through butter, and is really effective against huge targets. It's hard to tell why it does this, but it's definitely not intentional.
80* HarsherInHindsight:
81** Everything Zack says, from proclaiming he's going to be a hero someday to asking Aqua out after he becomes a hero. We do not ''know'' what happens to him later, but we have not seen him in games taking place later, and we know what happened to him in [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII his series]]. The final end credits sequence shows [[spoiler:he looks startled and then disappears leaving nothing but a single black feather. Three guesses who took him, and the first two don't count.]] It's even worse with Ventus:
82-->'''Zack''': Stop by once me and [[WesternAnimation/{{Hercules}} him]] are both heroes.
83-->'''Ventus''': [[DoomedByCanon Oh, so you mean]] ''[[HeroicSacrifice never]]'' [[DownerEnding come back]].
84** Hades' dismissive treatment of Aqua in the Coliseum takes on a creepier dimension after accusations that his voice actor Creator/JamesWoods sexually harassed Aqua's voice actor Creator/WillaHolland when she was 17 on the set of ''Film/StrawDogs2011''.
85** One of the things Goofy calls Ven when he's messing up the kiddo's name is Veggie. [[spoiler: Take into account [[ConvenientComa Ven's fate]] and that comatose people can be referred to as vegetables, and suddenly something so innocent gets cringe-worthy.]]
86** Master Xehanort explaining he that has "many roads" even if his [[spoiler:BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind with Terra/Eraqus]] doesn't work out for him. ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'' [[spoiler:reveals that he wasn't kidding, in perhaps the most exaggerated way possible: His actions in this game were merely one part of a customized StableTimeLoop to get multiple GrandTheftMe vessels at once, space and time be damned -- so even if he loses Terra's body, he still has many potential replacements to fall back on.]]
87** When Stitch pickpockets Terra's Wayfinder, an item that symbolizes the bond of friendships Terra has with Ventus and Aqua, Jumba proclaims that it's "marked for destruction". Later on the friendship Terra has with Ventus and Aqua deteriorates [[spoiler:and [[TheCorruptible Aqua falling to Darkness not helping matters]]]] which Terra notes later on.
88--->'''Dr. Jumba Jookiba''': "[[YouAreTooLate Too late]], is already marked for destruction."\
89'''Terra''': "Looks like all the things once held us together just push us further away."
90** Happy of the Seven Dwarfs during Aqua's story in Dwarf Woodlands said they were too late in regards to saving Snow White. [[spoiler: Aqua echos this same sorrowful sentiment in regards to [[FallenHero herself]] to Mickey.]]
91-->'''Happy''': "An'by the time we got here... Well, it was just [[YouAreTooLate too late]]."
92--> [[spoiler:'''Aqua''': "Mickey, you're too late."]]
93** The GuardianEntity many players ''maligned'' appeared in this game for the first time (Chronologically that is). Upon Kingdom Hearts 3, we learn why it appeared in the TrueFinalBoss. [[spoiler: It's ''Terra'']].
94** Master Eraqus' attempt to kill Ventus in the climax due to his anti-darkness prejudices becomes eerily prophetic in the wake of ''Film/TheLastJedi'', in which [[Creator/MarkHamill his voice actor's]] [[Characters/StarWarsLukeSkywalker most famous role]] [[spoiler:is revealed to have briefly considered killing ''his own nephew in his sleep'' due to sensing the Dark Side being strong in Ben.]]
95** Related to the above, but while the game's plot points on Terra's path were noted to be heavily inspired by ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', they did differ in some ways, notably that the Palpatine {{expy}} Xehanort's intention is to [[GrandTheftMe steal Terra's body]] to grow stronger (and [[TheBadGuyWins he succeeds in doing so]]), something that Palpatine never did. Except in ''Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker'' [[spoiler: it is revealed that, much like Master Xehanort in this game, Palpatine can indeed steal the body of a Jedi who channels their dark impulses to strike down his physical form. Unlike in this game, we don't actually see it happen in the film, but what Palpatine is claiming sounds exactly like the climax of Terra's story with Master Xehanort]].
96* HilariousInHindsight:
97** Creator/JasonDohring voiced Terra and sadly does so as a case of DullSurprise. Then [[spoiler:Master Xehanort commits GrandTheftMe, resulting in a Xehanort voiced by Creator/RichardEpcar, and Terra goes straight up to LargeHam.]]
98** Regarding Richard Epcar, his [[spoiler: "Terranort"]] voice is the same one he'd later use for [[{{Manga/JojosBizarreAdventureStardustCrusaders}} "Old" Joseph Joestar]], which can take some of the drama out of his scenes if you recognize the voice.
99** Lea holding [[spoiler: Ven's wooden Keyblade, considering that years later [[VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance he would get his own.]]]]
100** Braig musing that "Yep, it seems like these days everybody's got one of those...even grandpa there." becomes hilarious given the events of ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'' and ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsIII''. [[spoiler:Axel of all people gets a Keyblade by the end of the former, and in the latter, ''five more Organization members'' are revealed to be former Keyblade wielders from the distant past, one of those five being Braig himself. And in the epilogue of ''III'', Braig, now going by Xigbar, reveals that "grandpa's" Keyblade was actually his own the whole time.]]
101* IKnewIt:
102** [[spoiler:Terra turns into Xehanort!]]
103** [[spoiler:Ven becomes a part of Sora.]]
104** [[spoiler:Sora's gonna save Terra, Aqua, and Ven from their fates.]]
105** Some fans speculated about a possible connection between the armor Xemnas wears in ''Kingdom Hearts II'' and the armor the protagonists of this game wear. [[spoiler:''Final Mix'' adds the No Heart boss, confirming that Xemnas's armor was Master Xehanort's Keyblade Armor.]]
106* ItWasHisSled:
107** Master Xehanort possessing [[spoiler:Terra's]] body.
108** Unmasked Vanitas taking the appearance of [[spoiler:Sora]]. It was a huge surprise when the game was initially released, but these days it's difficult to even look him up on the internet without seeing what he looks like without the mask.
109* IronWoobie: Regardless of the main trio's flaws, hardships or no, ''they all keep trucking''. [[spoiler:And while the end result is largely a disaster, they ''do'' [[SpannerInTheWorks manage to collectively derail most of Master Xehanort's plans]], with the remaining pieces failing into place for Sora and co. to clean up a decade later.]]
110* JerkassWoobie: Eraqus. Yes, he's an anti-darkness KnightTemplar, but it's hard to blame him when [[spoiler:Xehanort uses darkness to ultimately ruin his and his pupils' lives.]]
111* LowTierLetdown:
112** Terra is considered the weakest of the trio since his dodge can't be chained for infinite invincibility frames like Aqua and Ven's can. He has the hardest time against the {{Superboss}}es as a result. He is a textbook CrutchCharacter since his immense strength and HP make him a real force of nature in the early parts of the story, but later on he CantCatchUp due to his lack of speed and the aforementioned lack of invincibility frames.
113** Aqua's Ghost Drive is considered to be the worst among the Command Styles due to the fact that her Cartwheel no longer provides infinite invincibility frames. Additionally, to makes things worse, this form is incredibly easy to trigger as any non-elemental magics will activate this style. Hell even Aqua's reprisals activate it and there is no way to turn the command styles off which often have the unintended use of making players stall and wait before the first command style disappear rather than building up the gauge. Thankfully, it becomes harder to access if Rhythm Mixer is unlocked.
114* MandelaEffect: Many fans seem to remember Vanitas as being a BadassBiker, complete with a steampunk-looking motorcycle to fit with his CoolMask. However, Vanitas never actually rides a motorcycle in ''any'' cutscene he's in, only riding a storm of keyblades during the finale in the Keyblade Graveyard. It might have something to do with his MemeticBadass status, however.
115* MemeticBadass:
116** Vanitas has been propelled to this title, alongside being crowned as a MemeticMolester. However, it is notable that he later went on to get [[LiteralMetaphor booted out]] of this status in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsIII'' due to his [[MemeticMutation memetically embarrassing defeat]] at the hands of [[WesternAnimation/MonstersInc Sully]] in that game, catapulting him straight into MemeticLoser territory to the current Kingdom Hearts fandom.
117** Peter Pan is this among speedrunners and their followers, for how [[GameBreaker/KingdomHearts hilariously broken his "Swordbill" D-Link finisher is with Exp Zero]]. Not only can it one-shot most endgame bosses and superbosses, but using it on the Mysterious Figure [[UnstoppableForceMeetsImmovableObject while he's using Renewal Block]] ''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPLxoQlX9m8 will crash the game.]]'' It's often joked that Peter Pan could solve the entire plot of the series [[MundaneSolution by stabbing Xehanort repeatedly.]]
118* MemeticLoser: Terra is seen as a joke by the fanbase and remembered as a huge idiot in general due to his HorribleJudgeOfCharacter plotlines in this game. However, as stated under the “Common Knowledge” entry above, Terra does almost always have his suspicions about the ObviouslyEvil villains he works with, and in most cases only plays along to get more information. Only Hook, Jumba, and Master Xehanort himself manage to get his complete trust and fool him. It is a huge fail that [[BigBad Master Xehanort]] of all people got his unwavering trust, but in fairness, Xehanort was someone that Master Eraqus, his own mentor, assured him was a friend, meaning that Terra’s horribly misplaced blind trust in that case was just as much Eraqus’s fault as it was Terra’s.
119* MemeticMolester:
120** And as mentioned above, Vanitas.
121** Many fans raised an eyebrow in the ending when Ansem the Wise is walking in a dark corridor holding the end of a young Ienzo.
122* MemeticMutation: [[Memes/KingdomHearts "Terra's heart has been extinguished, smothered by the memes within him."]]
123* MisBlamed: Yep, a few scenes were changed. Braig's telescopic scope was modified to look less realistic (and he's not shown attaching his guns into a sniper rifle) in the international release. But would you believe that some people are actually thinking that a scene in Dwarf Woodlands was censored? In the Japanese version, the Queen gets mad and grunts at the mirror, while her anger possesses it. In the international releases? She throws a potion (off-screen) at the mirror. The thing is, though, this was less of a censorship and more of a removal of a {{Narm}} moment (see below).
124* MoralEventHorizon:
125** It's hard to tell ''when'' exactly Master Xehanort first crosses it, but one contender might be, chronologically speaking, [[spoiler: forcing Ventus to fight Neoshadows in an attempt to awaken his inner darkness, and then after [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown the Neoshadows win]], ripping apart his heart to create Vanitas, nearly killing him in the process]]. He only gets worse from there.
126** Regarding the Disney Villains, [[WesternAnimation/{{Cinderella}} the evil stepmother]] crosses the line when she [[spoiler:attempts to murder Cinderella with an Unversed summoned from her [[ThePowerOfHate hatred]] towards her]].
127* SugarWiki/MostWonderfulSound: "*whoosh* Here we go!" Why, hel-lo [[GameBreaker Rhythm Mixer]]...
128* {{Narm}}:
129** The scene in the Japanese version where the mirror sucks Terra in. The Queen gets mad, grunts, and her anger possesses the mirror. This was changed in the international version where she instead throws a potion on it.
130** After Braig is defeated in Radiant Garden, he flees via silly-looking InASingleBound-style hops.
131** With the χ-blade being phonetically identical to the series staple Keyblade, cutscenes describing how powerful and dangerous the χ-blade is can feel a bit flat.
132** In a series staple, the absence of {{NPC}}s make some scenes look ridiculous in comparison to the original movies. In [[WesternAnimation/{{Cinderella}} Castle of Dreams]], a Royal Ball where only six people bothered to show up. In [[WesternAnimation/SleepingBeauty Enchanted Domain]], King Stefan's castle, under the Three Good Fairies sleeping spell, is conspicuously empty of any sleeping people apart from Princess Aurora. The most bizarre example is the Olympian Colosseum, where there are a bunch of empty rows of seats where the spectators would be. You would think that would just be it, but after Terra defeats Zack, an invisible crowd cheers with confetti in the air, and when Terra tells Zack that he isn't a hero, Zack reassures him he is "their" hero, gesturing to the empty Colosseum seats, followed by ''cheering'', implying that there is ''some'' kind of crowd watching the fights. Even ''Terra'' seemed weirded out when he heard the cheering.
133** The ending of Terra's campaign is meant to be a somber and shocking conclusion, but once Xehanort has his goal attained, he starts monologing in an almost NonSequitur manner about the connection between hearts and darkness, even though nobody is really around to listen to him (it's a bit more complicated, but that's spoiler material). It may be hard to swallow that after Xehanort realizes his goal, he just wants to calmly monologue on the existential mechanics of the ''Kingdom Hearts'' series rather than, for example, be elated and in awe that his plan worked.
134* NarmCharm: The scene added to Terra's Story in the ''HD Remix'' version, [[spoiler: where the Lingering Will sprouts a [[BadassCape cape]] for no in-universe reason after defeating Terra-Xehanort. ([[WatsonianVersusDoylist Out-of-universe]], it's there to explain why the Lingering Will has a cape in [=KH2=])]]. It's as ridiculous as it is awesome.
135* NeverLiveItDown: Terra helped Maleficent by accident one time [[note]](and then we find out he didn't even do ''that''; Xehanort made it ''look'' like he helped Maleficent by accident to mess with his head)[[/note]], and now he's considered to have helped every single Disney villain in the game as a gullible loon, but really the only other occasion was Captain Hook, which is still an understandable mistake since [[HeroAntagonist Peter Pan]] really ''was'' trying to steal from him. He was suspicious of the [[WesternAnimation/SnowWhiteAndTheSevenDwarfs Evil Queen]], was considering not even going with Hades's advice, and didn't know enough about Stitch to know that Jumba was (technically) a villain. He's not ''that'' trusting of villains on sight.
136* OnceOriginalNowCommon: At the time it came out, part of the reason why Birth By Sleep got a more positive reception among fans and critics compared to the other handheld Kingdom Hearts games was that, due to being on the more powerful PSP hardware, it was the only portable KH game with comparable production values to the mainline numbered games on the [=PS2=]. Nowadays, with the PSP an obsolete platform, most people will be playing the game on a console through the HD collections, so that particular novelty is lost. It also doesn't help that certain aspects of the game are hurt by this transition, such as its very zoomed in camera, which was fine on the PSP, but feels awkward to many people on a console.
137* PortingDisaster:
138** [=PS3=]: Unlike the PSP version, there's no Data Install feature, so you have to deal with [[LoadsAndLoadsOfLoading about ten seconds of loading]] each time you enter a Command Style or D-Link as the data is slowly streamed from the Blu-Ray disc. Unlike ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'''s Drive Forms, Command Styles aren't controlled at will, so there's not much you can do to avoid having your timing thrown off by accident.
139** [=PS4=]: While the load times have been fixed by the [=PS4=]'s automatic full installation of every game, a handful of new crashes have been introduced. In addition, some new physics issues are caused by the poorly-implemented switch to 60fps. These were later fixed via patches.
140* RonTheDeathEater: Terra is often viewed as an IdiotHero for his rash, short-sighted actions, distancing himself from his friends, and his trusting of Xehanort and other villains, to the point some consider Terra a villain in his own right. However, all of these behaviors are justified. Terra's more emotional moments tend to be when his darkness swells up (and it is known that darkness can do this, and Terra is having trouble controlling his darkness), and he's otherwise a moral and introspective individual. He only turns away from Aqua and Ven when Aqua lets slip Eraqus told her to keep an eye on Terra, and Ventus likewise has chased him worried about his darkness, making it seem like Terra's friends and mentor don't trust him. And for trusting villains, Terra never really ''trusts'' any villain but Xehanort, he is just willing to listen to villains when they talk to him rather than ignoring them or assuming they're untrustworthy, and since he tends to only hear their side of things, he's acting based on his best judgment without knowing any better. And his trust of Xehanort is defensible, since Xehanort tells him not to be ashamed of his darkness and he should learn to control and use it to be stronger, which Terra is more receptive towards as opposed to Eraqus and Aqua espousing that Darkness is always evil and Terra has to suppress it and not fall victim to it.
141* SalvagedStory:
142** The ''2.5 Remix'' re-release adds in a small scene at the end of Terra's story where [[spoiler:the Lingering Will sprouts a cape from its armor after defeating Xehanort]], allowing continuity between this game and ''Kingdom Hearts II'' to be retained.
143** The game's lineup of new worlds, draws more on classic Disney films like ''WesternAnimation/SleepingBeauty'', ''WesternAnimation/{{Cinderella}}'', and ''WesternAnimation/SnowWhiteAndTheSevenDwarfs'', alleviating complaints that ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' had placed too heavy a focus on recent releases.
144* ScrappyMechanic:
145** Entering the menu out of combat cancels any Command Style you have active, even if you don't actually ''do'' anything in the menu. You're effectively being penalized for pausing when not in the middle of a fight.
146** Likewise, changing just ''one'' command in your Command Deck causes all commands to reload once you unpause, even if you only change an entirely unrelated Reprisal Command.
147** Some D-Links' Finishes keep on going even after the last enemy has fallen. It's annoying when you win with the first hit of the Finish, but have to keep doing the rest. Even worse, some Finishes might not re-target remaining enemies when their initial target is defeated, so you might defeat an enemy with Stitch's Random Beam and then keep shooting at air instead of aiming at the remaining enemies.
148** The fact that multiple bosses (most infamously Vanitas) can break out of combos randomly and damage you for seemingly no reason (which in itself is due to the absence of a revenge value system, such as in ''KHII''). This means you can't properly "learn" the fights since they don't react to your actions in a consistent way.
149** The game does not have proper damage scaling like previous ones. This makes a Level 1 run go from a reasonably hard, but fun, challenge to agonizingly slow and borderline impossible since everything you do deals ScratchDamage. The HD re-releases fixed this by pumping up your damage while EXP Zero is equipped.
150* SequelDifficultySpike: Whether it's played straight or averted depends on the player's knowledge and willingness to look up information on the internet. Played blind, ''Birth By Sleep'' is much harder than its predecessors, as just leveling up and progressing the story no longer hands the player most of their abilities. Instead, the player's combat power entirely based on their knowledge of the Command Melding system, which commands are powerful and how to get them, and which commands unlock which abilities with what synthesis materials. A player who already knows what to do can have a deck full of high-tier commands before even entering the first world, and will very quickly fill out their ability list, while a player who doesn't understand the system will likely never acquire critical abilities like Leaf Bracer, Second Chance, and Once More, or acquire them much later in the game. Other parts of the game's difficulty are more universal: bosses now break out of combos randomly rather than at predetermined revenge values, and most lategame bosses move quickly enough to avoid finishers and Shotlocks.
151* SidetrackedByTheGoldSaucer: The Command Board is quite fun, as it's basically ''VideoGame/FortuneStreet'' with the serial numbers filed off. Besides being a fun diversion, your commands level up and you can win new abilities, even if you don't win, so it's never a total waste of time. In fact, it's usually better for grinding abilities, and some powerful commands like Ragnarok can only be attained there, while with luck ones like Firaga can be got there before you enter the first world.
152* StrawmanHasAPoint:
153** Given the countless examples of DarkIsEvil in the series, Eraqus didn't exactly pull his dislike of darkness from out of nowhere. That being said, it still doesn't excuse his [[PoorCommunicationKills lack of communication]].
154** During the scene where the Fairy Godmother stops Aqua from LeeroyJenkins-ing the Tremaines, some fans find themselves siding with Aqua. It doesn't help that 1.) the Tremaines eventually cross the MoralEventHorizon and get a KarmicDeath anyway (thus making Aqua look ProperlyParanoid in hindsight), and 2.) the Fairy Godmother's BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil advice has repeatedly suffered from CluelessAesop status throughout the series (e.g., 'If darkness keeps causing mass suffering, and light keeps being the best solution, why should I suddenly pull a 180?'). Indeed, near the end of the game, Aqua's initial BlackAndWhiteMorality has only been reinforced by the many DarkIsEvil threats and villains she's encountered (e.g., "What else is darkness but hate and rage?").
155* ThatOneAchievement: The "Maestro" trophy requires that the player obtain a Fantastic score on all Master modes for Ice Cream Beat. Said mini-game is also one of the ''hardest'' of the franchise, especially for players with vision and/or hearing impairment. Thankfully, you only need to unlock it with one character, and isn't required for the three Adventurer trophies.
156* ThatOneAttack:
157** When he's possessed by Hades, Zack flips out and gets access to Hero's Pride, which is essentially Omnislash. It deals massive damage and stuns Terra for the entire duration once he's hit, requiring constant dodging. The biggest problem with this attack is that it can't be guarded against and Terra's dodge provides very few invincibility frames, meaning you have to get extremely lucky with your timing to avoid it. That said, fully leveling Zack's D-Link means ''you'' get to use this attack yourself, and it's just as devastating in your hands. That One Attack is so much more fun to deal with when ''you're'' the one using it.
158** While the Unknown's entire moveset is basically this, one in particular stands out: Collision Magnet. Simple idea: he jumps high into the air, lashes his sword toward you to pull you up towards him, and then he smacks you back down. The catch is that the lag time from the hit is so long, he's guaranteed to land and attack before you recover, granting you no chance to dodge his next blow. He can even use the move twice in a row, which is sure to put even a Level 99 character down to 1 HP. Since his next move will be a separate one, it won't trigger Second Chance or Once More. The move's ability to instantly kill you and the difficulty in dodging it is a big factor in what makes the boss so difficult, and ''Final Mix'' noticeably nerfed its stun duration to make it easier to escape from.
159** The Doom spell. Doom is when the Unknown throws out a few lines that, if they ensnare your hero, force you to mash the X button (Circle in Japan) to break free. The timer starts out at 5 the first time he uses it on you, but it starts out one second shorter each time you get hit by it. Unless you can smash buttons with the best of them, getting snared by that move is a death sentence with no way out of it. Compounding the real issue with Doom is that the move can come out VERY quickly, like after you just hit him with a surge art or when he's recovering and performing another move. Sometimes you just straight up lose if Doom hits you and you physically cannot mash the X button fast enough to break free.
160* ThatOneBoss:
161** Quite a few. Among them is the ''first boss'' of Ventus's story. He not only has a knee-jerk spin attack that makes getting close to it a dangerous proposition most of the time, but it even has an attack where it throws off a bunch of fruit that look like fire crackers. There are many more than you would expect. This is not helped by the fact that it's very unlikely that you'll have a Cure spell at this point. You do, however, have D-links, which act as a free heal on activation, and--if you're Terra or Ven--Aqua's D-link specifically, which has Cura right outta the box.
162** Trinity Armor is quite tricky if you're unprepared, being made up of three parts, each of which has enough HP to be a boss on its own, and it has several attacks that can be a pain to dodge.
163** [[spoiler:Terranort, any battle]]. He's extremely fast, almost never stops attacking, and hits very hard. Long-range attacks are recommended (as he has some really hard-hitting short-range attacks), but good luck finding an opening to execute them! While Aqua can handle him pretty well in the Final Episode because of her Cartwheel's invincibility frames and her Barrier being an effective guard against many of his attacks, Terra[[spoiler:'s Lingering Will]] isn't so lucky because his Slide and Block are far less effective and he's slow as molasses.
164%%** Zack, particularly the second time Terra fights him.
165%%** Vanitas can be quite hard the first few times you fight him.
166%%** [[spoiler:Master Eraqus]] hits ''ridiculously'' hard.
167* ThatOneLevel:
168** The Mirage Arena's "Treasure Trove" mission takes place on a two-tiered battle field where the upper level is quite a ways directly above the lower area. The only way up there is to bounce off one of three bumpers and then steer your character on top (probably wrestling with the camera), and since it has no walls, it's easy to find yourself going off the edge as you bash enemies, necessitating another frustrating trip back up if they aren't nice enough to chase off after you. Did we mention that the enemy waves switch their spawning back and forth between the two levels several times throughout the mission?
169** Ventus' visit to Disney Town, thanks to the fact that you ''need'' to get a high score on the rhythm game there the first time through in order to continue his story. Unlike Terra's Rumble Racing (which has a shortcut the Heartless never take) and Aqua's Fruitball (which has a couple of moves you can spam to ensure a victory), there's no trick - you ''have'' to be good. If you're normally terrible at rhythm games, good luck! And if you aren't, good luck getting the rather precise timing down, even by rhythm game standards!
170** For the Command Board, 100 Acre Wood and Never Land are insane to beat because of Tigger and Peter Pan using their commands to roll extra dice. 100 Acre Wood, especially, because not only is it quite small, Pooh is TooDumbToLive and will take wrong turns and purchase panels belonging to Tigger, boosting his coins. He and the player also tend to get rolls of one or two, while Tigger can get an easy six. And that's without mentioning the bees and Pete (Both Captain Justice and Captain Dark; the former for the computer and the later for you). Never Land's saving grace is that you can use the Pixie Dust event panel to force Pan or Hook onto one of your command panels where they're forced to pay up, while they [[ArtificialStupidity won't do the same]] and [[HelpfulMook will usually send you to a Bonus Panel instead]] where you can nab an extra command.
171* ThatOneSidequest: Some people found it easier to unlock the secret movie from ''Kingdom Hearts II'' by playing the game on Proud mode. ''Birth by Sleep'' is much, much worse. On Critical, you just have to beat the game and you'll unlock the secret movie. On Proud, you have to beat the game and complete the Sticker Album for all characters. The stickers are all easy to find even without using a walkthrough, so completing the album is easier than dealing with Critical mode's harder battles.
172* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Many fans were not happy with the change in combat engine from ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' (Command Deck aside) due to the "floatier" feel and even moreso due to the removal of the "revenge number" mechanic, making {{Superboss}}es (and bosses in general) much more random and "[[SNKBoss cheap]]" and less strategic to fight.[[labelnote:Explanation]]In ''KHII'', every boss has a preset "revenge number" that causes them to retaliate against Sora once certain amounts and types of attacks are used against them, leading fans to develop interesting strategies such as specific ability loadouts and purposely abstaining from finishers so as to not cause the boss to retaliate. In ''BBS'', bosses simply retaliate and break out of combos at random, resulting in very tough battles becoming much more luck-based and strategically shallow.[[/labelnote]]
173* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Despite her being a skilled sorceress, there is no boss fight with the Evil Queen, who simply dies her canonical death from [[WesternAnimation/SnowWhiteAndTheSevenDwarfs her film]] offscreen.
174* UnderusedGameMechanic:
175** If you return to Enchanted Dominion after completing it as Ventus, you'll notice some sections of Maleficent's castle have been destroyed, because while Ven was gone Aqua's trip through the world happened and those sections were destroyed by her and Prince Philip. Despite giving players incentive to revisit worlds to see how they've changed, this is the only time that a world's layout significantly changes on a revisit (save for the Land of Departure, which is a special case).
176** It's actually possible to parry some attacks in this game, like in other ''Kingdom Hearts'' games. However, every character already starts with their dodge and block abilities, and the timing for parries is precise and not conveyed well, so it usually ends up as something a player would do by accident a few times.
177** Keyblade Glider sections give each character their own unique attacks and movement that could make for interesting boss battles. They're also restricted to brief gameplay sections in Deep Space and the only Keyblade Glider boss battle is cut short quickly.
178** There are different combo finishers for each character depending on where their target is - like parrying, a player might trigger them by accident a few times and never use them again.
179** Finish Commands give you a mini super move to use whenever you fill up the Command Gauge with normal combos, and they can grant extended invincibility during their animations with some other neat side effects. Unlocking them uses a skill tree-esque branching progression system with some other criteria involved when specific ones are equipped (collect munny, defeat a certain number of enemies, activate a particular Command Style a number of times, etc.), with each character also having a few Finish Commands unique the them. Except the game's combat system is so skewed towards Deck Commands that filling up the Command Gauge with normal attacks is exceedingly rare, so you'll almost always get a Command Style during a fight. There's a very good chance that you'll complete the game without remembering the system even exists.
180* UnintentionallySympathetic: Eraqus to some, especially in comparison to Master Xehanort (see UnintentionallyUnsympathetic). While Xehanort is ultimately correct about Eraqus's BlackAndWhiteMorality (not to mention the latter's PoorCommunicationKills on top of it), at least Eraqus still cares about the well-being of both his students and TheMultiverse at the end of the day -- in contrast to Xehanort being a LackOfEmpathy-having EvilMentor who wants to force proven-dangerous changes upon everyone just ForScience. [[spoiler:Additionally, the narrative itself retroactively (albeit unintentionally) demonstrates that Eraqus's ShootTheDog-attempt would've actually done Ven a favor compared to his actual fate -- and even then, Eraqus still grows remorseful enough to invoke HeroicSacrifice by using his own Heart to protect Terra's for the future.]]
181* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Master Xehanort may have been a NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist at present, but the narrative still tries to paint him as something of a tragic FallenHero losing sight of his originally good intentions. However, while [[InformedKindness his Reports seem to succeed at that]], his [[ObviouslyEvil actual screentime]] makes some fans feel like they might as well have been written by a different character altogether. Not to mention said fans don't buy his intended PetTheDog moment toward Ven on Destiny Islands -- because (1) Xehanort still tortured him to that point in the first place, and (2) Xehanort simply continues abusing and exploiting him after his survival. Said fans just see it as CharacterShilling and wonder what Eraqus and Yen Sid ever saw in this lunatic to begin with.
182* TheWoobie: The novels tint [[spoiler:Vanitas]] to be a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds instead of the unrepentant monster he appears to be in the game. In the novels, any anger he feels results in an Unversed being born from him, and no matter how many times he tries to destroy them, he feels an unbearable pain each time as a result. The cycle continues, and it is hinted that his reason why he wanted to reunite with Ventus was more or less salvation for him. Again, this is only in the novel adaptations; in the game, there is never even a remote hint that [[spoiler:Vanitas]] feels any sort of pain when spawning or re-absorbing Unversed (if anything, he seems to enjoy it when he's seen doing it! Then again, [[CombatSadomasochist maybe he LIKES being hurt.]] Either that or he's done it so many times [[FeelNoPain he no longer reacts to it.]])
183* {{Woolseyism}}:
184** Aqua's famous MyNameIsInigoMontoya moment. In the Japanese version she only says "Return my friend's heart!", but leaving it at that would have created a LipLock moment. Instead, the English localization team extended it to match Aqua's lip movement, creating in the process arguably the biggest BadassBoast in the entire franchise.
185** In the original Japanese, Ven is told to use the two extra tickets to Disney Town to bring his parents, with his face falling at the reminder that he's an orphan while Terra and Aqua briefly laugh at the idea of them being parents. In the English version, this is changed to Ven being told to bring two grown ups, with his reaction instead being annoyance at being treated like a kid and Terra and Aqua have a good natured laugh at his expense.

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