Line #30 YMMV/HoratioHornblower


1	!!The books:
2	* AngstDissonance: Hornblower has a habit of becoming ''more'' depressed after successes, taking himself to task for the "foolish" risks he's taken. His awareness of this doesn't actually help. Conversely, he sometimes gets more cheerful when facing difficulties.
3	* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
4	** Sawyer's fall and later death in ''Lieutenant Hornblower'' deliberately invites it. Was it Hornblower or Wellard who pushed him? Was it ''really'' a convenient accident? There is also a popular theory (put forward by Parkinson's unofficial biography) that Hornblower killed Sawyer during the prisoner uprising and blamed the Spanish, as it would be strange for a straitjacketed man to be killed in a battle and Hornblower has been known to ShootTheDog. But then there's also the question of whether Hornblower could do such a thing as a young man, as he's shown to not be completely inured to death and killing yet. Then there's the short story "The Hand of Destiny", in which it is made clear that it was the other man who shot a tyrannical captain and Hornblower let him (albeit after Hornblower pulled him out of the way to be ''merely'' shot in the knee instead of killed). All in all, a subject for consideration.
5	** The first books and the way they deal with Lady Barbara and Hornblower's relationship with Maria can put Hornblower in a very negative light. He doesn't love Maria, very nearly cheats on her in ''The Happy Return'' -- stopped only by an interruption -- and actually cheats on her in ''Flying Colours'', while Maria dies in his absence giving birth to his third and only surviving child. At no point does he ever try to open up to her, as he does with the other women he meets, but it's mostly so he doesn't break her heart. This ValuesDissonance is likely a result of Forester originally writing Hornblower at a time when he was immigrating to Britain to escape a paternity suit by an aging opera singer.
6	* HesJustHiding: Captain Bush after the events of ''Lord Hornblower''. Because it's as hard for fans as it is for Hornblower to imagine a world without him in it.
7	* HilariousInHindsight: In ''Commodore'', a general firing howitzers mentions the possibility of timing the fuse so the targets wouldn't have time to extinguish it. In ''Hotspur'', Hornblower does precisely that. The reason it's "Hilarious" is that while ''Hotspur'' is the earlier book in sequence, it was written ''after'' ''Commodore''.
8	** Doubly so, when an anonymous pirate did the very same thing first in ''West Indies'', also written (and in this case, set) after ''Commodore'' but ''before'' ''Hotspur'', in an action that bore more resemblance to dynamiting fish in a barrel, and was regarded with some distaste by the main character.
9	* HoYay: Between Hornblower and Bush. Bush is never shown to have romantic interest in anybody (male or female), but he's devoted to Hornblower. He could be UsefulNotes/{{Asexual\|ity}} and merely devoted to his closest friend, but given the [[HideYourLesbians Hide Your Gays]] period the author was writing in, Bush could be homosexual and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy supporting his hetero captain's relationships]]; the text gives no clues.
10	** From ''Flying Colours,'' while Bush is recovering from his serious injury - they hold hands at least once, such as:
11	--->''For a few seconds Bush's hand stroked his feebly, caressing it as though it was a woman's. In all their years of service it was the first sign of affection either had shown the other.''
12	** From ''Flying Colours'':
13	--->''There had been a ridiculous pleasure about waking up to find Bush snoring beside him with a protective arm across him.''
14	** There is a more direct allusion, though not of Bush or Hornblower, in the same book:
15	--->''[Of Captain Thomas "Kiss me, Hardy" Hardy] ...Little use though he himself had for woman''
16	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: ''Lieutenant'' is told from Bush's point of view and the end focuses on Hornblower's life ashore after the Peace of Amiens, but barely touches on Bush's life with his sisters in the country.
17	* ValuesDissonance: Gerard was an officer on a slave ship before joining the Navy. Hornblower blithely considers that this makes him a good choice as a prizemaster because he knows how to deal with captives, and Gerard also regales Lady Barbara (who herself has an enslaved maid) with tales of his "adventures" sailing up African rivers to abduct and sell human beings. Although the indifferent attitude of the other characters towards this history is not anachronistic, it ''is'' at odds with Hornblower's typical portrayal as a man ahead of his times but too embarrassed to say so, and with the narration's habit of calling attention to DeliberateValuesDissonance. It's telling that ''Lieutenant Hornblower'' (which was written later) veers away from the total non-commentary on the horrors of slavery by having young Hornblower express sympathy for the Haitian Revolution.
18	* TheWoobie:
19	** Hornblower. It's hard sometimes to see him wrestling with his "accursed unhappy temperament", excoriating himself viciously for any tiny mistake, and unable or refusing to recognize that he actually has good qualities and considerable ability. He even turns his good qualities (disdain for brutality, saving a man from an unfair execution) into flaws to beat himself up over. Quite frankly the man could be a case study for [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imposter_syndrome Imposter syndrome]].
20	** Maria's basically a sweet if naive girl, and she adores Hornblower so unreservedly that many of his complaints would probably be solved by simply ''telling her'' about it. (e.g. Being called "Horry.") The abandonment and the hollow falseness of the affection she receives from the "hero" is almost heart-breaking at times. Mercifully she never knows nor even suspects he doesn't love her as much as she loves him.
21	** In ''The Hornblower Addendum'', [[{{UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfHanover}} George III]]. It's 1812 and he's gone completely bonkers, and we are treated to one of his doctors telling Hornblower the king's typical (and utterly horrific) treatment plan. The king himself is completely sweet to Hornblower and fearless in the face of sea action, but cowers badly when faced with his own doctor. It's hard not to want to give him a hug and punch his doctor.
22	** Wellard from ''Lieutenant''. Unlike the miniseries where he's at least an adult (if a young one), here he's hardly more than twelve, which makes the way he's singled out for abuse by Sawyer and beaten into unconsciousness even worse. He's also shown to be a clever, likely lad who would be a PluckyMiddie if he wasn't on a ship run by a tyrant; once Sawyer is out of command he starts to flourish. [[spoiler:And then he drowns in a storm offscreen]].
23	** After the fall down the hold, [[AlasPoorVillain Captain Sawyer himself]]. The injury and trauma shatters what sanity he had left and reduced him to a straightjacketed, weeping wreck who saw an enemy in every person that came into his cabin. When he's [[spoiler:murdered during the prisoner mutiny]] even Bush, one of his victims, thinks that Hell couldn't be hot enough for the person who did it. Worse if you read the short story "Hornblower and the Widow [=McCool=]" in which Sawyer appears as a rational man who actually expresses some sympathy for the unpleasant task he has to assign Hornblower.
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25	!!The Film Adaptation ''Captain Hornblower R.N.''
26	* HoYay: Every man in the British navy seems to be in love with Hornblower, with the sole exception of Lady Barbara's husband.
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28	!!The TV series:
29	* AccidentalInnuendo: Mr Bush's mention of the "spanker boom" excited many a fan-girl's imagination, even though it's fairly clear that it's just naval terminology. Yet the connection to KinkySpanking is irresistible...
30	* {{Adorkable}}: Horatio's at his most adorkable when he meets Captain Foster, a legend of the Navy, and reacts as an enthusiastic fan-boy, and when he charms people with his clumsy behaviour at his probably very first formal dinner party at the Governor of Gibraltar.
31	* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
32	** Plenty of speculation regarding Simpson, who is theorised about due to the ominous and vague lines other characters say in regards to him ("You don't know half what he's capable of") and the question of what, exactly, he'd been doing with the other midshipmen prior to Horatio's arrival.
33	** In Series Two, the interpretation of how Captain Sawyer fell down the hatchway. The question of whether or not it was an accident leads often enough to the secondary question, whether it was in the nature of any of the characters present to actively push the captain.
34	** Captain Pellew is prone to such a treatment. In Series One, he is universally loved, and everybody is impressed and awed by his character and abilities. In Series Two, his reputation suffers a serious blow because of his favouritism and lack of interest in other officers other than Hornblower. Series Three only proves truth and honesty might not be an integral part of his character and his morals are questioned. Some fics try to find deeper meaning in his lack of concern for other sailors, and many {{Fix Fic}}s in AlternateUniverse try to absolve him.
35	** Lt. Eccleston from "The Even Chance" who served aboard ''Justinian'' and also ''Indifatigable''. He seems nice enough and fairly competent at first glance, but on a second thought, he's not that great and his behaviour is open to interpretation. Eccleston severely punishes Horatio for getting beaten up -- and asks who he fought with -- ''just'' after Simpson came back. He then pairs Simpson and Horatio and sends them on a shore mission. He later does it again when he puts Simpsons in Horatio and Archie's boat for the operation of capturing ''Papillon''. Is he enabling Simpson? Is he trying to force Horatio to confess? Does Eccleston even know about Simpson's abuse? Could Simpson have power over Eccleston as well, perhaps with a dirty little secret of his own? Perhaps Eccleston knows how terrible Simpson is and sees Horatio as the only one capable of standing up to him so pairs them off constantly to give Horatio a chance at him? Eccleston clearly thinks highly of Horatio by the time he's killed, but his motives are confusing to say the least.
36	* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic:
37	** Known to fans as the "It's the bloody Indy!" theme.
38	** The "Excitement" theme. The bustling music is telling you that the Navy boys are going to have a hell of a fight!
39	* BaseBreakingCharacter: Archie, to an extent, caught between those fans who dislike his addition into the series as he wasn't in the books, and those who think he added a nice element to the narrative and a more accessible side to the title character.
40	* CompleteMonster: "[[Recap/HoratioHornblowerS1E4TheFrogsAndTheLobsters The Frogs and the Lobsters]]": Colonel [[AristocratsAreEvil Marquis]] Moncoutant is one of the leaders of French Royalist troops who set on a mission to restore the monarchy in France during the French Revolution with the help of the British Navy. However, he doesn't care much about the cause and not at all about his soldiers. The fate of other aristocrats doesn't concern him either, but he's very proud that he's BlueBlood and he believes that common people are impossible to improve, comparing them to animals. He killed a mayor and nearly [[WouldHurtAChild shot a child]] for singing ''Marseillaise'' upon his arrival to his village, and later he keeps gleefully [[OffWithHisHead killing off villagers with his personal guillotine]] one after another for no bigger offence than [[DisproportionateRetribution selling old bread]]. He never shows any remorse for his evil deeds.
41	* CrossoverShip: The fandom has taken to pairing Major Edrington with [[Literature/{{Sharpe}} Richard Sharpe]] despite or perhaps ''because'' he's exactly the kind of officer Sharpe would despise if he was incompetent. Major Edrington isn't, so he's precisely the officer Sharpe wishes he was.
42	* DieForOurShip: Mariette in the fourth episode gets a bit of this from Horatio/Archie shippers, although [[RomanticPlotTumour she isn't a very popular character anyway]].
43	* EnsembleDarkhorse:
44	** Major Edrington in "The Wrong War"/"The Frogs and the Lobsters". Only appears in one installment, but he's very popular among the fans.
45	** Everybody's favourite Duchess is quite delightful. A sexy older woman befriending the hero, who's an inexperienced youth. Both have brains and enjoy each other and have great chemistry? What's not to love?
46	* EstrogenBrigade: The series has a nearly all-male cast of characters who fit a variety of tastes in looks, and they engage in both swashbuckling and deeply emotional character arcs. This has netted it many enthusiastic female fans.
47	* FanNickname:
48	** "Crumpet" for Archie Kennedy
49	** "Ratio" for Horatio Hornblower
50	** Mariette is sometimes referred to as "Frogette"
51	** "Surly Seaman of the Week" for the character in each episode whose purpose is to provoke conflict and make Horatio's life difficult.
52	* {{Fanon}}: In the series, not much is known about Archie Kennedy's background, but some facts are intriguing and fans elaborated on them. Lots of the fan fic stories focus on Archie's days spent at theatre, because he said that he once knew Drury Lane as if it was his home. He also seems to love William Shakespeare since he quoted or paraphrased him several times. In fan fics, he's a total {{Bookworm}} who knows his Shakespeare really well. Jamie Bamber, his actor, said in interviews that he thought that Archie was the third son of a Scottish lord, and fans have embraced this idea. Needless to say, his family tends to be pretty screwed up. Most fics also take for granted that Simpson's abuse of Archie was sexual.
53	* FanonDiscontinuity: Whether anything after "Retribution" -- or namely Kennedy's death happened. Fandom actually uses the terms 'LKU' and 'DKU' to differentiate whether this fic has Archie as alive or dead. It stands for 'Live Kennedy Universe' and 'Dead Kennedy Universe'.
54	* FightSceneFailure: Styles' fight with Randall in "Mutiny." Both actors' punches are obviously not connecting.
55	* GeniusBonus: In the courtroom, Hobbs compares Captain Sawyer to Admiral Nelson. This is met with approval by the sailors in attendance, but the judges are not pleased. This is a natural reaction within the context of the story because they don't need Saywer being compared to Nelson on the record of a trial that is about concealing Sawyer's madness. But at that point in Nelson's life, he had made himself a public disgrace for carrying on with Lady Hamilton; although the ordinary seamen of the Navy still loved him, his brother admirals did ''not'', and would not appreciate the namedrop for that reason as well.
56	* HarsherInHindsight: The line "You were born to hang, Mr Hornblower" becomes horrifying in the context of what nearly happened in "Retribution".
57	* HesJustHiding: Lots of fanfic stories are tagged [[spoiler:'Live Kennedy Universe']]. Fans like to dream that he in fact did not die. You can't prove it didn't happen as anything is possible in fiction.
58	* HoYay: The show is considered kind of... slashy. Even people who do not interpret the events that way like to joke about it.
59	** It's noticeable especially between Hornblower and Archie Kennedy. Archie was caressing Horatio's shirt and chest at one point! Also, Archie totally checks Horatio out when he gets his new lieutenant uniform. Or that grin when Hornblower has that naked shower scene. And they are so incredibly close...
60	** Series 3 has Ho Yay between Hornblower and Bush. Lt. Bush was shown to be a great admirer of the captain.
61	** Some people ship Pellew/Hornblower. Considering that Captain Pellew regards Hornblower as his son, it is a little... disturbing.
62	** There are fics with Pellew/Archie having sex and engaging in SnarkToSnarkCombat.
63	** Young Jack Hammond seems to have a crush on Captain Hornblower. He's beyond excited when he's to serve aboard his ship, and then beyond disappointed when he finds out that he's not allowed to interact with the captain as often as he would like.
64	* MoralEventHorizon:
65	** After many, many KickTheDog moments, Colonel Moncoutant from "The Frogs and the Lobsters" crosses this when he orders half his village beheaded. Gleefully.
66	** Jack Simpson from "The Even Chance" may have crossed this before even appearing on-screen, considering the fact that his mere presence gives Woobie Archie Kennedy seizures, but he absolutely crosses it by the end of the boarding of the ''Papillon'', when he attempts to murder both Kennedy and Hornblower.
67	* {{Narm}}:
68	** "I was just thinking of the distances we travel... yet how far we still have to sail as men." Possibly the most mocked line in the series. Plus Horatio is hugging a rope while saying that.
69	** The slow-motion SayMyName "'''BUUUNTIIING!!!'''" that Horatio yells out while chasing the surly seaman of the week through the woods.
70	* NarmCharm: The altercation between Hornblower and Foster in "The Examination for Lieutenant" involves a chase scene and tense music--with two slow-moving rowboats. It looks silly, but it ''is'' the only thing that could happen in that situation....
71	* NoYay: In the first installment, if you're prone to noticing subtext, the Inquisition scene is full of this. Simpson leaning in way too close to Hornblower and suggesting he fancies other boys? Add to that the popular RapeAsBackstory interpretation of Simpson's interactions with Kennedy, and it gets really suspicious.
72	* OneTrueThreesome: Hornblower/Kennedy/Bush during the second series is a fairly popular ship.
73	* RetroactiveRecognition:
74	** A young Jonathan Aris appears in "The Examination for Lieutenant" as one of the midshipmen at the titular exam.
75	** Creator/JamieBamber's Archie is more recognizable nowadays as [[{{Series/BattlestarGalactica2003}} Lee "Apollo" Adama]] and [[{{Series/LawAndOrderUK}} DS Matt Devlin]].
76	** While Hornblower was arguably Creator/IoanGruffudd's BreakoutRole, more people know him as [[{{Film/FantasticFour2005}} Reed Richards / Mr. Fantastic]].
77	* RomanticPlotTumor: In "The Frogs and The Lobsters", Horatio gets into a brief romantic subplot with Mariette, a local peasant girl, during a mission in France. The story was already dealing with three separate plot threads and the romance could have been taken out without changing any major events, and since Mariette's never mentioned after the conclusion of her little story arc, its usefulness as character development for Horatio is questionable. She mostly seems to be there to provide female eye candy, and eventually to [[spoiler: [[ShootTheShaggyDog get killed in the final act]] so Hornblower could have some angst]]. [[note]] By all appearances, it seems they just took the character of Marie Ladon from the books, and moved their meeting to before she married the son of the Comte de Gracay. Both women notably suffered similar fates, albeit under very different circumstances.[[/note]]
78	* TheScrappy: If there ever was a universally disliked character in the TV 'verse of ''Hornblower'', it would have to be Mariette, Horatio's shallow SatelliteLoveInterest from "The Frogs and the Lobsters" (aka "The Wrong War"). The blame is cast on both the writers who didn't bother to make her interesting enough, and her actress's poor and unconvincing performance. The nicest thing fans would say about her is that she was really pretty and rare female eye candy. At best she's ignored, and there are some fics that make fun of her rather endearingly, but that's about it.
79	* SeasonalRot: The third series loses its previous excellent production values, going for half-measures and CGI instead. The characterization is also sloppy--Pellew, as noted above, goes from being an excellent captain to almost a parody of an admiral, and Styles becomes completely unlikable. Rather than combining AdaptationDistillation with AdaptationExpansion as they had previously, the story only loosely resembles the events of ''Hotspur'' and turns minor mentions of Irish unrest into the whole plot; there are some frankly absurd moments with the deep-cover Irish agents (both in terms of narrative plausibility and their ability to survive explosions without a scratch). That said, unimpressive Hornblower still makes for pretty impressive television and the acting doesn't suffer.
80	* SpecialEffectFailure:
81	** In the first episode's scenes in the longboat, Hornblower translates the French complaints that they're not yet in sight of the coast. The coast, however, is easily visible over his shoulder. (Doubtless it wouldn't have been safe to stick the boat entirely out to sea for filming, though ''filming in the opposite direction'' would have solved this problem.)
82	** The battles between model ships are very well done, but run into the difficulty that many nautical model effects do: you can't shrink water. The size of the splashes belies the size of the ships.
83	** Some of the [=CGI=] weather effects in the third series are obvious overlays over the scene. The "snow" stuck to the side of the ''Hotspur'' in one scene is also white paint, which is clearly seen by the drips in the open gunports.
84	* StoicWoobie: Horatio. While he may rise in rank and become quite successful in his career, he has been through a lot of misery (including losing several friends, a love interest, and being tormented in the early days by a sadistic midshipman to the point of seriously contemplate suicide, and later on by a crazy captain) and by the third series, is living in poverty and evident loneliness, even telling Maria that he thought for a long time she was his only friend in the world. That combined with his constant self-doubt makes him incredibly sympathetic, but he never complains outright.
85	* TheWoobie:
86	** Archie Kennedy. Whenever he's not suffering horribly, he's a high-spirited person who makes it a point to keep Horatio from getting too serious. However, when he's tormented by Simpson, tortured in Spanish jail or troubled by being over-shadowed by Horatio, you just want to hug him, take him home, wrap him up in fluffy blanket and feed him with cookies, telling him that he's a fine young man and that everything is going to turn all right.
87	** In "Mutiny", Wellard becomes The Woobie and Kennedy helps him cope. Captain Sawyer be damned for having him beaten up. He was just doing his duty, for mercy's sake! And he's such a cutie-pie.
88	** Clayton in "The Even Chance". Tormented by the sadistic Jack Simpson as any of them, shamed by younger Horatio who stands up to the sadist instead of him, and dies way too young. Sob-sob.

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