Line #36 YMMV/FateApocrypha


1	* AdaptationDisplacement: A specific example, while most of the servants are well known in their own right, Astolfo is now vastly more well known due to the Franchise/FateSeries than for the ''Matter of France''.
2	* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
3	** While certainly possessing affection for her Master, it's unknown how exactly Fran viewed her relationship with Caules. It's either she viewed him as the love interest she was denied in life, or the father figure Victor Frankenstein never was to her.
4	** Artoria during Mordred's flashback. Did the former really not hate Mordred for who she was or did Artoria simply lie about how she felt as part of her Perfect King persona? Apocrypha fans who have never seen ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' or ''Literature/FateZero'' before would likely be unable to tell. ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder'' seems to imply the latter interpretation is true, as during its first summer event Artoria was passive aggressive with Mordred at best, hostile at worst, but that's ambiguous due to the event in question having the Servant's various quirks and relationships PlayedForLaughs (such as also portraying Artoria's BigEater tendencies to a comical degree).
5	** There has been debate about Jeanne's growing feelings for Sieg. While the final episode has Laeticia state that any romantic feelings come from Jeanne herself, there's debate on how much Laeticia had to do with bringing them out in the open. While Laeticia says it was all from Jeanne, it is important to note that Laeticia does influence a bit of Jeanne's personality, so it its possible that Laeticia might have developed some amount of feelings for Sieg that rubbed off on Jeanne.
6	** Mordred gets angry when being called a woman, but also gets angry if her feminine traits are downplayed and she is referred to as a man. While a case can be made Mordred is just being a {{Hypocrite}}, its entirely possible Mordred dislikes the assertion of being female because, [[ValuesDissonance during her time]], being female would be seen as a weakness, plus the only woman in her life of note was an abusive mother. To her, people calling her a woman, even if they don't mean to say she is weak, belittles her since her biggest source of pride is being the heir of King Arthur, and its important to note that she says heir and not son or daughter. However, treating her as a man bothers her too, likely because doing so removes the fact that, gender wise, she is a woman. Thus, it could be argued that Mordred just wants to be seen [[IAmWhatIAm as herself]], without gender deciding who she is.
7	* AmericansHateTingle: Sieg was received okay in Japan, where he won a spot in a Top 10 Anime Characters poll in a Japanese magazine, and in general is looked at in a more positive light. However, Chinese and American fans ''absolutely loathe him'', complaining about him having disproportionate screentime and considering him as boring compared to the colorful cast that surrounds him, cementing his famous nickname as "Cardboard." Even more lenient viewers often find him dull.
8	* AngstWhatAngst: Astolfo's tenure being the Servant of Celenike is completely forgotten by himself and the story, even if she put him through severe trauma of being commanded to violate his knight code and murdering Sieg, once Celenike died, he's instantly back into his usual cheery guy self. Depending on how you view it, it's either the writers just completely forgetting about it, or it's part of Astolfo's character to have such a short memory term (being scatterbrained).
9	* {{Asspull}}:
10	** Sieg pulling out Astolfo's sword to deliver the finish blow in his fight with [[spoiler: Karna]]. Up until that point, whenever Sieg had turned into Siegfried, the sword given to him by Astolfo had turned into Balmung, implying that the sword acted as a catalyst for him to use Balmung in combat. Thus, when he suddenly had it independently of Balmung at the end of his fight with [[spoiler: Karna]], it comes out of nowhere since Sieg had thrown Balmung at [[spoiler: Karna]] and was dashing to retrieve it, only to suddenly have the sword on him without any explanation.
11	** [[spoiler:Sieg gaining access to Fran's two Noble Phantasm's, Blasted Tree and Bridal Chest during the final battle against Shirou. The story tries to justify this by saying that when Fran sacrificed herself to try and kill Mordred using [[HeroicSacrifice Blasted Tree]], she willed a piece of herself to become a part of him after Mordred killed him meaning that he gained the power to use her abilities when he was revived, and this is a result of her "will" actually being contained in the lightning that originally gave her life and runs through her body. This isn't revealed until the fighting starts between Sieg and Shirou however, meaning the ability comes out of nowhere to justify Sieg beating Shirou, who he wouldn't have had a chance of fighting otherwise.]]
12	* AwesomeEgo: Shakespeare. Some of his actions throughout the story have left this impression on some fans.
13	* BaseBreakingCharacter:
14	** Sieg is this for Western and Chinese fans. Some like him and consider him an interesting take on Nasuverse protagonists with a good arc that fleshes him out into a hero from the almost literal BlankSlate he started out as, but others think of him as a bland, badly-written character whose presence in the story is barely felt and takes time away from other, more interesting characters (most prominently, Siegfried himself), and keeps getting undeserved power ups from characters that don't even know him (most blatantly, Fran's sacrifice that ''somehow'' empowered him). Comparisons to the worst traits of [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Shirou Emiya]] are common. His pairing with Jeanne is also controversial--either it's enjoyable and similar to Shirou and Artoria's relationship, or it's forced and cringey. It's to the point that his voice actor Creator/NatsukiHanae has promised to try and make Sieg as likeable as possible. On the other hand the Japanese like him well enough, to the point that he managed to score 6th place in a popularity poll held by the Newtype magazine.[[note]]Though thanks to the magazine's reputation among some circles, people call into question how accurate said poll was.[[/note]] [[TakeAThirdOption There's also another camp]] that believes that Sieg as a protagonist could work and had potential, but the writer was unable to convey it well, so they depend for an eventual collaboration with ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder'' to unleash his potential.[[note]]Judging from the positive response to the Apo collab ''Inheritance of Glory'', they were quite right.[[/note]]
15	** Frankenstein, who went from TheScrappy to this. She first gained and still has a lot of hate for being a cute female, when Frankenstein's monster's hideous appearance was central to its story. Outside of her design, she's also disliked for how little she factors into the story, as she gets only a few skirmishes and two notable fight scenes with Shirou Kotomine and Mordred to showcase her ability, and then is one of the first Servants to die with very little elaboration on her personality (which is what [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap saved Chiron and Achilles]]) and serves no greater purpose in the narrative [[spoiler:aside from saving Sieg's life and giving him some [[CameBackStrong extra power]]]]. The anime attempted to [[AdaptationExpansion rectify this]] by giving her relationship with Caules more focus, and the reveal that [[TheWoobie she suffered just as much as the original Frankenstein's Monster]] and her DyingMomentOfAwesome against Mordred managed to win her several fans.
16	* BetterOnDVD: Due to the serialized nature of the story and just how much the entire anime feels more like an extended movie, watching multiple episodes at once might feel more immersive than taking in each episode individually as standalones. Clearly, the distribution of the series took notice, as it was eventually released in the biggest binge-watching platform in the world--{{Creator/Netflix}}.
17	* BrokenBase: The anime's fight scenes. While most will agree that Creator/{{Ufotable}} is a ToughActToFollow, you will find a lot of people either saying that the fights are still awesome and visually-pleasing, or people calling them poorly-animated and hard to follow. It's saying something that this page has entries for both FightSceneFailure and SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome that discuss ''the same fight scene''.
18	* CompleteMonster: [[WickedWitch Celenike Icecolle Yggdmillennia]], amongst the morally ambiguous [[Characters/FateApocryphaBlackFaction Yggdmillennia family]], is the [[BitchInSheepsClothing only one who absolutely has no moral compass]]. Celenike practices blood magic, sacrificing innocents, including children, which she takes great pleasure in. A sadistic dominatrix, Celenike keeps a [[TortureCellar dungeon]] in her spare time where she tortures those who cross her, or just those who catch her fancy for the fun of it. In between missions, Celenike will very regularly torture, [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil rape]] and murder attractive young men, especially homunculi she deems "useless". Celenike also becomes fixated on her Servant Astolfo. After becoming jealous that he is forming a bond with Sieg, a homunculus who has formed an identity, Celenike snaps and uses her Command Seals to force Astolfo to gruesomely murder Sieg just to break Astolfo, something that is only stopped when Mordred, fed up with Celenike's shit, [[OffWithHisHead takes her head]]. Unlike her other family members and many other antagonists from the franchise, Celenike is motivated by nothing more than cruel lust and unrestrained sadism.
19	* CrackPairing: Siegfried/Karna became a bit popular due to their [[BirdsOfAFeather similar personalities]] and their [[WorthyOpponent high opinion of each other]]. The fact that they're both very [[{{Bishonen}} attractive men]] was likely a contributing factor as well.
20	* CriticalDissonance: '''Episode 22.''' The battle scenes (especially for Karna vs. Sieg) had praise heaped on them by [[https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/7jcx95/fans_creators_applaud_animation_of_fateapocryphas/dr5ncfa/ many industry heavyweights]] (including the character designer of ''Webcomic/MobPsycho100'', Creator/MasaakiYuasa, and Kinoko Nasu himself) as [[https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2017/12/23/fate-apocrypha-episode-22/ an amazing work of art by a team of newbie animators]] that would go down in anime history as a legendary accomplishment. Viewers have been [[BrokenBase significantly more vicious and divided towards it]], with some saying the constant ArtShift make it look ridiculous, while others state that the fluidity of the animation either makes up for it or actually makes the ArtShift ''work''.
21	* EnsembleDarkhorse:
22	** Toole, the female homunculus that Sieg saves on the battlefield, started to gain traction in the community particularly once she goes out her way to help Sieg [[spoiler:rescue the other Yggdmillennia homunuculi]]. Her slight resemblance to [[Literature/FateZero Maiya Hisau]] might have something to do with it, as well as surviving a battle with Achilles.
23	** Audiences could vouch for Roche as he has less screentime adding to the fact that his depiction as a CheerfulChild which was actually a front as his partial complexed backstory reveals that [[spoiler: he held cynicism towards humanity after he was abandoned by his parents]] and created golems to treat them as friends. He ends up [[spoiler: killed by his servant and 'close friend', Avicebron who used him to fuse with one of the golems to power up his Noble Phantasm, fans were really devastated at his death.]] Type-Moon probably noticed this, and decided to extent Roche's role beyond ''Apocrypha'' without bringing him back, namely: [[spoiler:making his death a crux of the characterization of Avicebron in ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder'', where he ended up remembering his horrible deed to Roche and regretting it big time.]]
24	* FanNickname:
25	** [[spoiler: "Darnicula" for the fusion between Darnic and Dracula[=/=]Vlad in his vampire form.]]
26	** Franken{{moe}}.
27	** {{Moe}}dred. She's also called "Meowdred" after the anime shows that she inherited her father's love for cats.
28	** Shiroumine for Shirou Kotomine. [[spoiler: After his identity is revealed, he got the nickname Red Shirou, in a similar vein to [[VideoGame/FateExtra Red Saber]].]]
29	** [[spoiler: "Siegmonculus" for the Homunculus, as he gains the ability to transform into Siegfried's form and he takes on the name "Sieg".]]
30	*** In Chinese forums, Sieg is called [[Franchise/UltraSeries Ultraman (as he has a three minute timer on his transformation, and a glowing chest)]], among other... [[TheScrappy rather derogatory nicknames, anyway.]]
31	*** 'Cardboard-kun' is also a common derisive nickname for Sieg due to being considered either as unemotive as cardboard or as flat character-wise. Several people joke that Sieg's first appearance in the Apo crossover in ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder'' has him show more character than in the entirety of ''Apocrypha's'' run.
32	*** A more 'neutral' nickname for Sieg would be "Sumanai Jr.", carrying over from Siegfried being called Sumanai in ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder'' and Sieg being able to take Siegfried's form and overall felt like his junior.
33	** Achilles, Karna and Atalanta have been dubbed "The AKA Team" by some fans for being {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}s on the villain's side. Also doubling as PunnyName too, since [[FunWithAcronyms 'Aka']] is 'Red' in Japanese and they're in the Red Faction...
34	** As a tribute to [[Literature/FateZero Kayneth "Fast Wheels" El-Melloi]], Fiore got the nickname [[AllLovingHero "Happy Wheels"]].
35	** Ever since his [[Creator/MakotoFurukawa voice actor]] was introduced, it didn't take long for people to start calling Achilles the "[[WebComic/OnePunchMan One Punch Rider]]".
36	** [[Wrestling/JohnCena Jeanne Cena]].
37	** [[spoiler: Jack the {{Stripper\|iffic}}]] for Assassin of Black.
38	** Atalanta (or any of her other FanNickname like 'Nyanta') Alter to refer to [[spoiler:her after activating Agrius Metamorphosis, which turned her into a dark Berserker-like beast]].
39	*** Interestingly, ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder'' did release an alternate Berserker-class version of her permanently under the effects of that Noble Phantasm, explicitly named as ''Atalante (Alter)''.
40	** In some circles, Karna's Noble Phantasm Vasavi Shakti is often deliberately misnamed some variant of "Wasabi Shakti" (such as "Wasabi ''[[https://imgur.com/a/srN7J#yFXjbNQ Shark Tea]]"''). The Indonesian/Malaysian audience even has the specific variation "Wasabi Sakti" ("Magical Wasabi"), which fits well with just [[FantasticNuke how magically destructive the NP is.]])
41	** Anime/GoLion for Sisigou, based on Flat's joke about his name in episode one.
42	** DUDE for Iskandar, after the [[MemeticMutation strange translation]] of Lord El-Melloi II's line addressing him.
43	* FanPreferredCouple:
44	** Sieg/Astolfo is ''way'' more liked than the canonical Sieg/Jeanne, especially in anime, where Sieg and she for a long time interact LikeBrotherAndSister before Jeanne's feelings for him blossom while Astolfo's interactions with Sieg from nearly their first interaction practically ''reek'' of romance due to Astolfo's bubbly nature. And then there are the people [[OneTrueThreesome who cut out the middleman and just make it a threesome]].
45	** And on Jeanne's side, Mordred's a fair bit more well-liked as a paramour, with their stronger chemistry and overall similarities and contrasts as characters.
46	** Fran/Caules is one of the most popular pairings amongst the Servant/Master pairs and even went so far as to help redeem Frankenstein in some viewers' eyes.
47	** Achilles/Atalanta more or less ''exploded'' in popularity with Episode 22 [[spoiler:ending in their tearful battle and deaths]].
48	* FetishRetardant: [[UsefulNotes/JackTheRipper Jack the Ripper]]'s [[http://images.wikia.com/typemoon/images/e/e4/Jack_i.png original design]] can be this to some people as she has the upper body of a child yet has lower body more fitting for a grown woman. Luckily her new and improved artwork from Volume 2 have fixed the worst of this by giving her a normal physique.
49	* FightSceneFailure: A common criticism of the anime adaptation of the story is that the fight scenes are barely watchable due to the way they are animated. Many of them focus on big and flashy effects that make it hard to actually see what is going on, while also using abstract colors or strange angles in an attempt to almost seem flashier, while likely hiding the animation from being seen. While some fights, such as the finale Sieg and Shirou fight, and Achilles and Chiron fights, are able to do a solid job showing the fight on account of the battles lacking overt effects, fights involving Karna, Mordred, and Siegfried are very difficult to make out what is happening.
50	* FranchiseOriginalSin:
51	** As good of a premise the Holy Grail War is (a battle royale among seven Master-Servant pairs), it also bears the risk of having too many major characters for effective storytelling. The visual novel ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' takes 3 mutually-exclusive routes to fully explore all of its characters through the protagonist's perspective; ''Literature/FateZero'' manages to keep a balance on all participants with more focus placed on Kiritsugu and Kirei but not before a 45-minute {{Infodump}} first episode. The cast of ''Literature/FateApocrypha'' is overblown with ''two'' teams, ''fourteen'' Servants and ''fourteen'' Masters on both sides plus Ruler plus Sieg. As a consequence, five Masters of Red are just extras, many Servants have as much background story as the Servant you draw from ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder'' gacha, and the lack of focus on characters is constantly brought up as a criticism on the show.
52	** For ''Fate'' spin-offs, this is the point when {{Fanservice}} in character design becomes egregious. The larger set of Servants makes room for two Saberfaces[[note]]Jeanne and Mordred[[/note]], two (debatably three) HistoricalGenderFlip characters[[note]]Frankenstein's Monster and Mordred, with the technically unknown Jack the Ripper as the third[[/note]] and one [[DudeLooksLikeALady androgynous man]]. Female characters are also noticeably bustier and/or more {{Stripperific}} than in ''Literature/FateZero'' and ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight''.[[note]]There's an argument to be made that ''VideoGame/FateEXTRA'' is the real patient zero for these trends, but ''Apocrypha''[='=]s long gestation time makes it a bit more complicated than comparing release dates.[[/note]]
53	** Sieg is another entry in the line of Fate main male protagonists who are perceived by some as bland and boring. However, this problem is more prominent with Sieg because of the fact that his character development is simply lacking in comparison to other Fate protagonists such as [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Shirou Emiya]] and [[VideoGame/FateExtra Hakuno Kishinami]], having literally no personality and background at the start. Hakuno and Shirou outgrow their initial blandness to varying degrees in each of their respective stories or are given some manner of justification that is expanded after it is revealed, such as Shirou's SurvivorsGuilt or the surprising twists regarding Hakuno. To put it one way; while all three are basic examples of seemingly bland characters for their medium that do develop over the course of their story, Sieg suffers from having the ''least'' amount of HiddenDepths and development, and thus comes across as lacking.
54	* GeniusBonus: The name of Frankentstein's Noble Phantasm, Blasted Tree, comes from a line in the original Frankenstein novel, used by Victor to describe himself after the Creature has killed his younger brother, William, and forced Victor to promise to make him a companion.
55	-->Victor: “But I am a blasted tree; the bolt has entered my soul; and I felt then that I should survive to exhibit, what I shall soon cease to be - a miserable spectacle of wrecked humanity, pitiable to others, and intolerable to myself.”
56	* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: While Mordred and Kairi Shishigou are well-received in Japan, ([[http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire1/c39727a2258a5ef2f68cc2096a4d60011502372722_full.jpg particularly the]] [[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJO1p73VoAAHqPi.jpg former]], they have to compete with other characters (namely Jeanne, Astolfo and even Sieg). The American fanbase, however, mostly adores them to the point that they believe they deserve the main protagonist spot as opposed to Sieg, [[AmericansHateTingle who was instead despised there (story-related reasons already listed above)]]. ValuesDissonance is in play for great effects here: Mordred being the {{tomboy}}ish daredevil and Shishigou being a ManlyMan with CoolShades and both of them being {{anti hero}}ic to a degree fit well with the Western tastes as opposed to Sieg's frail shape, [[{{Bishonen}} rather androgynous]] look and being a straight-up heroic character which the Japanese couldn't get enough of, but it's not as well-received in the West.
57	* HarsherInHindsight: Seeing Mordred of the past and present showing many of her more likable traits would hit you in the feels when if you watch the very end of ufotable's ''Zero'' adaptation, you realize that Mordred is among those bodies Saber is standing on.
58	* HilariousInHindsight:
59	** Creator/YuusukeKobayashi is forced to interact with an EmotionlessGirl, who has a powerful mace and who is inclined to fall into berserker mode. Hmm, have we [[Literature/ReZero already seen this somewhere]]?
60	** For the English Dub, casting Creator/RayChase as Vlad III comes off as this considering [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans his previous outing]] was that of a man who has ordered deployment of weapons that can [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice skewer targets with absolute impunity]].
61	** Astolfo's UnsettlingGenderReveal to Jeanne in episode 19 takes a whole new level of meaning after that certain Twitter incident in February 2021, where an Astolfo cosplayer did a... ''very'' NSFW thing with his [[BiggerIsBetterInBed you-know-what]], causing his name to trend; then [[Creator/FayeMata his English VA]] took notice and at first felt honored, [[OhCrap until she found out what it truly entailed.]]
62	* HoYay:
63	** Plenty of Sieg's moments with Astolfo, while either ranging from hilarious to incredibly touching, absolutely ''reek'' of this. Made more apparent in the light novel when Astolfo gently comforts Sieg while the other is suffering an intense panic attack from all his near-death experiences. There's also a moment where after an insensitive remark by Sieg results in Astolfo harshly slapping him they're very quick to reconcile with Astolfo claiming Sieg is his everything when Sieg says he can easily be replaced by another Master in the event he dies so that Astolfo doesn't have to die after him, and they actually end up sleeping and cuddling in the same bed together. More than once. ''And there's so much more where that came from...''
64	** There's a bit between [[LesYay Mordred and Semiramis]] though mostly on Semiramis's end and of the violent kind. After Semiramis poisons Mordred with her Noble Phantasm during their final battle and leaves her struggling to survive, [[WeCanRuleTogether she offers Mordred a chance to live and even get her wish]] if she kills her Master Kairi and "becomes [Semiramis's] knight". What pushes it into suggestive territory is that she says this while getting ''very'' close to Mordred before cupping her chin with one hand and smiling into her face. Even before that, the two repeatedly trade insults and physical blows more viciously than nearly any other Servants.
65	* InformedWrongness: Amakusa Shirou's wish to [[spoiler:make all of humanity immortal]] is treated like it's too heinous to allow. Though it does have its issues, Amakusa's arguments for the wish are extremely compelling, and the heroes' attempts to debate against it amount to unconvincing platitudes and little else. While there is a reason the wish wouldn't be for the best, it only exists within supplementary material that neither party has access to. All this contributes to the RootingForTheEmpire the Red Faction gets from fans.
66	* IronWoobie: Caules is dragged into the war against his will, spends most of the time worrying for Berserker's well-being and believes he is not good enough to be her Master. And yet he takes it all in stride and still tries to find ways to be useful to his faction.
67	* ItWasHisSled: "Shirou Kotomine" is an IdenticalStranger who has nothing to do with either the protagonist of the original ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', Shirou, or his FutureBadass self Archer. Originally a big meta-twist that played with many fans' expectations for this alternate universe, it's now an extremely common LateArrivalSpoiler.
68	* JerkassWoobie:
69	** Jack the Ripper and Reika. Sure, they have some horrific backstories, but they are also ''really'' into killing criminals, or people they perceive as such.
70	** Also applies to Mordred. While she is violent and abrasive, she ''was'' rejected by her "father" and had her dreams of being a perfect knight dashed. Not to mention being the pawn of her mother, Morgan le Fay.
71	* JustHereForGodzilla: Long-time Fate fans mostly watch this series for their favorite Servants such as Karna, Mordred, Astolfo, Jeanne, Semiramis, or Achilles, not the plot.
72	* LauncherOfAThousandShips:
73	** Sieg, who in addition to his canon love interest Jeanne also gets shipped with Astolfo for [[HeterosexualLifePartners their friendship]] (and the fact Astolfo's bisexual) and with Mordred for their tension and eventual rivalry.
74	** Astolfo, who gets shipped with Sieg, Jeanne, Mordred, Siegfried...
75	* LGBTFanbase: Not surprisingly, given the presence in the work of characters such as Astolfo, who has an androgynous appearance and identifies himself as a bisexual, and Mordred, who can be perceived as a genderqueer because of her manliness and refusal to consider herself a girl yet still having little to no problem wearing {{Stripperific}} clothing.
76	* MagnificentBastard:
77	** Shirou Kotomine is a [[SinisterMinister Church minister]] presiding over the Red Faction and is the Master of Assassin Semiramis. In reality, he is [[UsefulNotes/AmakusaShiro Amakusa Shirou Tokisada]], Ruler Servant summoned in a prior Grail War. Noble and benevolent, his methods are ruthless and cunning. Seeking humanity's redemption out of pure love for mankind, Shirou bid his time, gathered items as catalysts to summon a Servant in the Middle East, and waited for Yggdemillenia of the Black Faction to show themselves. Midway during the next Grail War, Shirou launched an ambitious attack that sees him singlehandedly take over the Servants of the Red Faction, reclaim the lost Greater Grail, and out-gambit his enemy Darnic. He intends to invade the Greater Grail's innards to access True Magic and begin humanity's salvation. Ever calm and collected, it is only when he is minutes close to achieving his dangerously alluring dream that Shirou rants to Sieg not to ruin humanity's salvation.
78	** Semiramis, the Wise Queen of Assyria and the Assassin of Red, is the luxurious, elegant underling of her Master Shirou Kotomine summoned into the Great Holy Grail War. Winning the favor of Syrian king Ninus with her battle plans, Semiramis earned her title and infamy by then poisoning him, taking over as queen, and reigning with her indisputable tactical and political acumen. In the war proper, Semiramis used her dove familiars to scout out the flow of battle to gain information she and her allies used accordingly. To singlehandedly take over the Red Faction, Semiramis slipped a hypnotic drug into the tea of all the Red Faction Masters, allowing Shirou the opportunity to manipulate them into acquiescing their Command Seals. Complicit with Amakusa Shiro's plans for humanity's salvation, Semiramis remained by his side to the very end, grateful for the time she spent with the man who captured her heart.
79	** Caster of Red, true identity Creator/WilliamShakespeare, is driven to create [[MadArtist the perfect story]] no matter who he has to manipulate in the process. Tricking and betraying his master to join Shirou Kotomine's conspiracy, Shakespeare deduces his new leader's identity and even plots to make Shirou's story a tragedy until Shirou is forced to use a Command Seal to stem this. In battle, Shakespeare repeatedly tactically aides his allies to use his abilities to enhance theirs and when he faces UsefulNotes/JoanOfArc, Ruler, he fights by attempting to break her will. At the conclusion of Shirou's plans, Shakespeare [[GracefulLoser handles his own loss with grace]], declaring the finished story his final masterpiece.
80	* MemeticMutation:
81	** Being Lancer Is Wonderful [[labelnote:Explanation]]Both Lancers are ridiculously powerful and manage to score some impressive feats, unlike their [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight previous]] [[Literature/FateZero co-classes]]. Even more hilarious considering that Darnic won the previous Grail War with 'Fionn', as the anime revealed.[[/labelnote]]
82	*** Being Lancer is still suffering [[labelnote:Explanation (Spoilers)]]In the second volume, Vlad is stripped of his advantage, forced to use his Legend of Dracula Noble Phantasm against his will, and possessed by Darnic; despite fairing well against a total of six Servants at the same time, he, [[DeathByIrony a Catholic, is soon dispatched by Shirou Kotomine AKA Amakusa Shirou Tokisada, a Catholic pseudo-saint]]. And on the other hand, despite Karna's much better performance, he's still stuck with a Master that he doesn't fully trust, got his servitude via underhanded means, and having to take the antagonist role. [[BrokenBase For the camp]] that liked him [[AmericansHateTingle and also disliking Sieg]], they also put 'being eventually beaten by Sieg' as another point of Karna's suffering.[[/labelnote]]
83	** Who can Karna defeat? [[labelnote:Explanation]] Due to Karna's ridiculous StoryBreakerPower and badassery, people are comparing him to various other Servants, particularly [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Gilgamesh]], and argue whether not he can beat them somehow (usually it's a yes).[[/labelnote]]
84	** Fiore wants the horse D [[labelnote:Explanation]] Fiore is shown to have a case of BodyguardCrush towards Chiron who is actually a Centaur in human guise. There's also the fact that they repeatedly mention Chiron "proving his worth as an Archer despite his human form", which sounds really shady. [[{{Flanderization}} Fans took this idea and ran with it.]] [[/labelnote]]
85	** Fiore is [[ComicBook/SpiderMan Doc Ock]] [[labelnote:Explanation (spoilers)]] Fiore's Mystic Code, the Bronze-Link Manipulators, manifest as five giant {{Magitek}} limbs that make her look like a cute female version of the infamous Spiderman villain. [[/labelnote]]
86	** Mordred is a [[Franchise/{{Transformers}} Decepticon]] [[labelnote:Explanation]]Mordred's CollapsibleHelmet makes a very distinctive clunking noise as it assembles and disassembles, akin to a Transformer's switch between robot and vehicle mode. Add in her aggressive personality, her TinTyrant appearance and the whole rebellion against Camelot for what she perceived as her birthright; people were quick to joke she's a female Megatron. Not helped by how [[Film/TransformersTheLastKnight the live-action films have Cybertronians interacting with those in King Arthur's time]].[[/labelnote]]
87	** Then why does Berserker go berserk?[[labelnote:Explanation]]Apocrypha's addition to the [[http://i.imgur.com/cqRy3AM.jpg Fate series tradition of terrible yet hilarious bad fan subbing]]. What Semiramis actually wanted to know is why Spartacus is going on a rampage, not why is he insane. [[/labelnote]]
88	** Spartacus used [[Film/ThreeHundred Sparta]] [[MemeticMutation Kick]]![[labelnote:Explanation]]In Episode 9, Spartacus unleashes an epic kick on Atalanta that sends her flying quite a distance. Add in how Spartacus and Sparta are similar and the joke writes itself.[[/labelnote]]
89	*** Adding on that, his [[spoiler:last words]] are THIS! IS! SPARTACUS!
90	** Spartacus and '''DOWN WITH OPPRESSION!!!''' [[labelnote:Explanation]]Fighting against oppression is Spartacus' tricks of trade, and seeing that he's got Mad Enchantment, fans tend to think that Spartacus likes to yell anti-oppression things to define himself, defying logic all the way.[[/labelnote]]
91	** Cardboard-kun [[labelnote:Explanation]]Since Sieg was quite controversial, [[AmericansHateTingle at least in the Western side of the fandom]], there are often times that there are memetic images which replaced Sieg with a cardboard, or put a picture of his face on a cardboard to emphasis their thought that he's as boring as a cardboard, which is also his FanNickname.[[/labelnote]]
92	** [[ThinkOfTheChildren Won't someone think of the children!?]] [[labelnote:Explanation]]Atalanta is VERY concerned on the safety of children, most people just think that this is her rallying cry, which sounds like something said on a soapbox[[/labelnote]]
93	** The Haunted Astolfo bean plushie that sucks your dick and calls you gay. [[labelnote:Explanation]]A bean plushie of Astolfo sold as merchandise that is supposedly ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin.[[/labelnote]]
94	* MemeticPersonalityChange: Astolfo in canon is a WholesomeCrossdresser who picks his attire because he likes cute things and is often oblivious (or at least apathetic) [[ViewerGenderConfusion to how he is viewed by people around him]] (mainly a scene where Jeanne is shocked that Astolfo is a guy and he finds it hilarious that she didn't know). In many fan works, Astolfo a ShamelessFanserviceGuy who delights in [[StupidSexyFlanders making people question their sexuality]] by acting far more effeminate while also throwing in more reminders that he is, in fact, male.
95	* {{Misblamed}}: The detractors of Sieg's character development (or just his character in general) blamed Yuichiro Higashide for the direction it took. However in an [[http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/3173-Fate-Apocrypha-Free-Range-Spoiler-Thread?p=1368941&viewfull=1#post1368941 interview]] as early as 2013, it's revealed that Sieg's character arc was actually written by Kinoko Nasu himself.
96	* {{Moe}}:
97	** Fiore is a cute and friendly girl whose wheelchair gives her an edge of vulnerability and whose four-mechanical spider legs an edge of coolness.
98	** Between his appearance, good cheer and heroics, Astolfo is the most adorable champion of Charlemange ever put to print.
99	** Frankenstein's Monster/Fran dresses like a bride, [[CuteMute doesn't talk]] and [[IJustWantToBeLoved really wants a hug]].
100	** Roche is a cute little boy who idolizes his servant as a golem-maker.
101	** Mordred's FanNickname is Moedred because of her tomboyish cuteness, yearning for her father to acknowledge her and [[spoiler: the truth behind her desire to replace Artoria as king]].
102	** Despite how [[CuteAndPsycho disturbing she is]], Jack the Ripper is an example as well, having the appearance and personality of an adorable little girl.
103	** Jeanne becomes even cuter, thanks to her growing feelings towards Sieg.
104	* MoralEventHorizon: See [[MoralEventHorizon/{{Nasuverse}} here]].
105	* {{Narm}}: The anime adaptation has several unintentionally funny moments, whether it was because of the source-material, or the bad animations itself.
106	** Celenike's out of nowhere LecherousLicking on Astolfo, at least in the anime. There is literally no explanation for the two times it happens, and Astolfo's bored expression left many confused as to what even the scene was trying to do. Bonus point for fans who think it is gratuitous {{Yuri}} fanservice and later find out it is ''[[DudeLooksLikeALady not]]''.
107	** Rider of Red's, Achilles, armor looks oddly too big for him in the anime, making him look absolutely scrawny and causing many to laugh at how silly he looks since it makes him look OffModel. Thankfully this has been fixed, and his armor is now consistently fitting.
108	** Fran's FreakOut in the anime is suitably TearJerker and NightmareFuel material... at least until one gets a good look at her animation during the climax of the breakdown [[spoiler:when she's beating the copy of Victor Frankenstein to death]] [[OffModel and it looks like her limbs and mouth suddenly became longer and stretchier]], like a Tom and Jerry episode. Given [[TheBerserker who she is]] it might have been [[DerangedAnimation intentional]], but it can still draw an inappropriate giggle out of the scene.
109	** Vlad's [[spoiler:Legend of Dracula is terrifying in how it [[PainfulTransformation transforms him]] and his DemonicPossession by Darnic is chilling, but get past that and one can't help but notice how he's like a Scooby-Doo villain with hammy dialogue (from Darnic), complete with scrawny arms, red pupils, and awkward bat wings. It doesn't help that the animation really doesn't convey how terrifying this is supposed to be, such as how Vlad's mouth effectively stops moving save for a small twitching, as if him talking was not possible for some kind of [[SpecialEffectFailure effects reason]].]]
110	** For native french speakers, the frequent inability of any character in the dub to correctly pronounce french names, such as "Jeanne d'Arc" or "Orléans," can make certain conversations difficult to take seriously, especially when it is Ruler herself who makes these mistakes.
111	** When Waver is [[TalkingToTheDead talking to Iskandar's catalyst]], it's subbed as, "Heroes are those who do things driven by their ego. Like you, dude." It's apparently an attempt to convey a change in tone from the usual brusque way he addresses most people, but hearing the normally serious adult Waver say "dude" just clashes heavily with his character and can cause some unintended comedy.
112	* NarmCharm:
113	** MindScrew is the story of the birth of Mordred, which was conceived between a [[BrotherSisterIncest Saber who turned into a man and her half-sister]], who later turned a child into a clone of "father", can be quite amusing for some. The fact that the original Mordred was also a child of SurpriseIncest does not help much. Despite this, Mordred is such an endearing character that if anything, her MindScrew backstory makes her more likeable, and her angst over both her family and her gender more relatable.
114	** When [[spoiler: Atalanta decides to use Agrius Metamorphosis to kill Ruler, the way in which her transformation is handled is actually pretty good, as the animators make it difficult to see her, but in a way that conveys how bestial she becomes. However, the moment the animation gives the viewer the chance to see her full body, all drama is lost for how silly she looks. Instead of taking on a monstrous form as you would think, she instead changes to a {{Stripperific}} outfit with a black boar head on her shoulder and her hair turns white. It becomes way more funny to see then it should be, making what should have been a terrifying form into an edgy looking recolor of Atalanta]]. At the same time, it works because of [[spoiler:how absolutely [[AxCrazy batshit]] and [[PrimalStance feral]] Atalanta becomes as a result, screaming out Ruler's name and [[LimpAndLivid moving around]] like she's two seconds away from trying to tear Jeanne apart with her bare hands, which when combined with appearance becomes both disturbing and strangely humorous.]]
115	** Narm was inevitable when trying to put words into the mouth of William Shakespeare himself. Both the original Japanese and the dub make their attempts, but the end result is him spouting a few token archaic words and phrases from his plays, causing him to come across like a melodramatic high-school literature student desperately trying to sound deep. On the other hand, Shakespeare is supposed to be a LethalJokeCharacter that most characters don't take that seriously until it's too late and he's more likely the origin of why people like those archaic words and hamtastic performances in theatre, so it makes sense that Shakespeare would chew the scenery with those whenever he appears.
116	** The heroes plan for assaulting the Hanging Gardens of Babylon in the finale? An army of airjet liners. The sheer absurdity of this is outright hilarious, but also provides the awesome Chiron and Achilles fight, and provides a nice change of scenery from the previous fights, making it work surprisingly well.
117	* NoYay: Most Astolfo fans don't like to pair him with Celenike at all, due to her [[BadBoss treatment]] [[BondageIsBad towards]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil him]].
118	* ObviousBeta: Looking over the various half-finished and hilariously broken Servants listed, it's clear that this was a project that was abandoned halfway through development. The Light Novel has taken some steps to remove this by replacing or altering characters or skills.
119	* OneSceneWonder: Gilles de Rais appearance [[spoiler:as a Saber Servant]] is short-lived, but he doesn't fail to make an impression, bringing back the AxCrazy demeanor of his Caster-self in ''Literature/FateZero'', [[spoiler:while also showing his more broken side and willingness to redeem himself, even [[HeroicSacrifice sacrificing himself]] so Jaune can finish her prayer to use her second Noble Phantasm.]]
120	* OneTrueThreesome: Sieg/Astolfo/Jeanne is very frequently used as an alternative to shipping one or the other with Sieg. It helps that they all really care for each other by the end of the series. Siegfried and/or Mordred are also added in as extra members.
121	* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap:
122	** Chiron and Achilles were at first not that liked when [[ReplacementScrappy they took the intended spot of Archer of Black and Rider of Red]] from [[WhatCouldHaveBeen David and St. Georgios]]. However, when their personalities were revealed, both of them gained their own following that they became worthy of the spot of the character cast.
123	** Frankenstein [[BaseBreakingCharacter didn't completely escape the hate]], but her DyingMomentOfAwesome and relationship with Caules won over many of her previous haters.
124	%%** Shirou. [[spoiler:He is remembered by most as a bad villain from a base-breaking series, with questionable motivation. But his memorable appearances and most importantly, better writing in Fate/Grand Order rescued him.]] Now, the readers of the original novel are looking ahead to TheReveal about him.
125	%%** Avicebron. [[spoiler: Similar to Shirou, he is remembered for his betrayal on Black Faction and sacrificing his Master to be the core of "Adam", making him the least hyped characted to be released in ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder''. Then in his official inclusion in the game as part of the ''Cosmos in the Lostbelt'' expansion, he became TheAtoner for his betrayal, received an excellent writing and he is established as one of the best allies the heroes ever had. This turned him from merely a "meh" Servant into a "bro", earning his nickname "Avice''bro''" by fans.]]
126	* RootingForTheEmpire: The Red Faction are ostensibly the bad guys, but some fans think they deserve to win for a number of reasons:
127	** The members of the Red Faction are all interesting in their own right, and despite the fact that most of its Masters ended up Living Props, its Servants all have admirable personalities, powers, and backstories.
128	** The Servants of the Black Faction are more of a mixed bag. While they are definitely powerful, they are considered underutilized or not as fleshed out compared to those of the Red.
129	** The Black Faction may make for less-than-ideal "good guys". They are led by an ex-Nazi collaborator, one of its members is a serial rapist, and another is a serial killer. After these are disposed of by the second half, leaving the better members of the Black Faction in charge, this then turns off fans who were into their moral grayness to begin with.
130	* SelfFanservice: While it's fairly obvious Astolfo is supposed to look androgynous leaning towards cute girl, he still has some masculine features as seen in the manga adaptation and in the anime to some extent. You wouldn't be able to tell from fanart though, since it does away with those to give him a more overtly feminine appearance.
131	* {{Squick}}: Jack the Ripper is dressed in very revealing clothing in combat, her lower half exposing her thighs and underwear in an uncomfortable amount of detail. While designs like these aren't unheard of, Jack's is especially detracting due to her being mentally and physically around 10 years old.
132	* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: Many accused the epilogue, where [[spoiler:Sieg meets Jeanne in the afterlife]], of ripping off of [[spoiler:''[[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Realta Nua]]''[='=]s Last Episode, where Shirou reunites with Artoria in Avalon]].
133	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: There are many who feel this way about Siegfried. Siegfried quickly drew interest due to being one of the Black factions most powerful Servants, as well as having a fantastic design, being one of the first Sabers in the franchise to not be another Saberface. Fans also noted that his backstory and motivations drew more than a few parallels to [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Shirou and Archer]], leading to many being interested in what his role in the story would be. [[spoiler: Unfortunately, he [[HeroicSacrifice willingly gives his heart]] to save the homunculus who would take the name Sieg in his honor by the end of the first novel before his character is fleshed out. The fact that he sacrifices himself for the sake of giving [[BaseBreakingCharacter Sieg]] a power-up caused quite a bit of grumbling amongst fans]].
134	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
135	** The premise of the story is basically: "What if the Grail War was teams?", and the first half of the story focuses on this idea for the most part by introducing both factions and having them fight each other a few times. Yet despite the setup and premise of a team deathmatch story for the Grail, once Shirou Kotomine steps up as the BigBad, the story shifts to Sieg and focuses primarily on him. [[spoiler: Several coincide to him defeating Karna or powering up further, the final battle becomes a 1-on-1 between him and Shirou, and he is the one to figure out how to deny Shirou's wish.]]
136	** The idea of Shirou Kotomine, being an AlternateUniverse version of [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Shirou Emiya]] that was raised by Kotomine and thus grew up to become a member of the Church, is an interesting idea that could have been used by the story to explore the ideas of an AlternateUniverse that still has connections to the original story, while also providing a {{Deconstruction}} of Shirou's beliefs and actions. It would have been unique to have the protagonist of the original continuity face off with the protagonist of the new setting, and help develop the world more than it was already. [[spoiler: Instead, Shirou Kotomine is the Heroic Spirit Amakusa Shirou Tokisada, meaning that the entire point of his name was a RedHerring to bait viewers. The real Shirou Emiya is only given lip service in the material books, having not gone through the same fate as his counterpart.]]
137	** Given that the setting is an alternate universe that changes from the Third Grail War, you would expect the Founding Families of the Grail Wars, the Einzberns, Tohsaka, and Matou, to have a stake in the War or even have some significant usage. It would have been a good way to bring in old favorites like [[Literature/FateZero Kariya Matou]] and [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Rin Tohsaka]]. However, the events of the story make it so that the Founding Families can't get involved due to time constraints (the Association only has two months to prepare for the course of the War, too little time to get the red tape involving the Founding Families completed, which includes transportation costs and giving them time to prepare successors to their Family Crests in the event of potential death), so instead they need to hire on mercenaries they can afford to lose. This results in the Red faction being filled with five unnamed Masters who have no role what so ever, and two brand new Masters while the Black faction is also new characters. The anime adaption addresses this slightly by showing the outcome of the Third Holy Grail war in a flashback, revealing that [[spoiler: Zouken is [[AmbiguousSituation possibly dead]], while Shirou Kotomine interacted with an Einzbern homunculus who looks nigh-identical to Irisviel and was most likely her predecessor as both the Einzbern Master/Grail vessel when he was summoned into the Grail War.]]
138	** [[spoiler: After taking over the Red Faction and gaining all the Servants of the Red Faction minus Mordred and a dead Spartacus, Shirou is confronted by Atalanta and Achilles who both question his motives and goals. While Atalanta accepts fighting for him out of necessity, Achilles shows disgust with Shirou and makes it clear he does not want to work with him. This seems to suggesting Achilles either defecting, or going against Shirou in some form, but he instead remains on Shirou's side out of a sense of honor and being at least partially impressed by Shirou's convictions and desire to see his wish come true. On a meta level, however, the reason for this seems more likely to prevent Karna from having anyone but Sieg to remotely be capable of fighting him, and to make the Black Faction the "underdog" of the two, which feels like an interesting direction for his character that was not done.]]
139	** Early on it's made clear that once the two sides battle and one side remains, a miniature Grail War between the remaining Masters and Servants will commence. Initially, this is used ([[AdaptedOut in the Light Novel at least]]) as a reason why Gordes refuses to reveal to the others Siegfried's name, and also why Astolfo's introduction causes the Masters to be surprised. Despite this being established very early on as a major part of the Black Faction's plans, it never comes up again for them. While understandable Shirou wasn't concerned, it feels as though the plot-point was used only to justify hiding Siegfried's identity from the reader and nothing else. None of the other Masters even remotely address it at all either, despite how strategic it would have been for some of them to avoid revealing their Servant's identity. The anime mostly just ignores this point as well.
140	** Fiore's character arc in the series involves her developing into a leader for the Black Faction after [[spoiler: Darnic is killed trying to obtain the Grail back]], and the plotline is consistent for most of the series. However, on the night before the final battle, Chiron and Caules have a conversation and agree that she doesn't have what it takes to lead the faction as a Magus, and convince her to pass her Magic Circuits to Caules instead. This twist comes out of left field, especially after Chiron and Caules had discussed the issue before, and Caules agreed to help Fiore as much as possible, stepping up to be her [[TheLancer lancer]]. Furthermore, Fiore's role just sorta vanishes after that moment, and she decides to give up on being a Magus even though she had gone along with it of her will and had shown herself being fairly capable. It feels like the entire character arc was just to make Caules develop at the expense of Fiore's own character arc. While it is admirable Fiore wants to go through rehab to get her legs working again, it comes across as a twist for the sake of a twist and feels necessarily forced.
141	* ToughActToFollow:
142	** Taking aside the fact that it's being made by the divisive Creator/A1Pictures, the Apocrypha anime gets hit with this hard when compared to the Creator/{{Ufotable}} anime adaptations of ''Literature/FateZero'' and ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight''. Heck, it's even compared to the 2006 FSN anime and 2010 FSN UBW movie by Creator/StudioDEEN which some consider to be still better than the Apocrypha anime. It doesn't help that the story and characters of Apocrypha are considered lacking in comparison to FSN and Zero. It reached the point that several people were bashing ''Nasu himself'' for giving praise to the fight scenes in [[CriticalDissonance Episode 22]], despite the fact that if ''anyone'' would be qualified to judge the series, it would be him.
143	** The English Dub also has this issue. While the dub isn't bad, it comes after the dubs of the ''Literature/FateZero'' and ''Anime/FateStayNightUnlimitedBladeWorks'' dub, both of which are very well received by fans because of how good the voice cast was, with some replacements being certainly debated. Although the dub of ''Apocrypha'' is handled by the same company who did the previously mentioned two, the majority of the voice actors are mostly new, meaning that the voice quality ranges from great for some characters, to either not fitting well, or just outright weird sounding choices.
144	* TransAudienceInterpretation:
145	** Mordred's [[BerserkButton strong dislike]] of being treated like or referred to as a woman has caused many viewers to interpret her this way. This is despite the fact that she still uses female pronouns and similarly dislikes being treated too much like a man.
146	** Astolfo also tends to receive this treatment by viewers due to his incredibly feminine appearance and behavior, especially after his later appearances started to deliberately obfuscate his gender.
147	* ViewerGenderConfusion: Astolfo is the definition of this trope. Many of the fansub groups portrayed Astolfo as a girl, incorrectly identifying his gender because of his feminine nature and ''very'' girlish voice. Though this is probably the intended reaction, it doesn't help some characters; namely Jeanne, are also confused and end up using female pronouns (which also caused translation errors, namely writing the subs for his correct gender!) The English dub attempts to avert this by having Creator/FayeMata give him a more masculine, if still effeminate, voice. The Latin American Spanish dub completely averts this by giving him a male voice actor.
148	* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The fist-fight between Achilles and Chiron in Episode 21 and Karna's release of Vasavi Shakti in Episode 22 are visual ''orgasms''.
149	* TheWoobie:
150	** Jack the Ripper. Reading her backstory is [[TearJerker absolutely heartbreaking]], ''especially'' if you knew about what life was like in VictorianLondon beyond what's given there.
151	** Astolfo becomes this when his master, Celenike, uses her Command Spells to force him to kill his friend Sieg in an attempt break his spirit and sully his honor. Mordred killing Celenike is the only thing that saves Astolfo from this trauma.
152	** After her DarkAndTroubledPast, Frankenstein certainly counts as this. Literally the only good thing that happens to her is that she got Caules as a Master, he is the only one that treats her as a human being.
153	** Atalanta's original life wasn't a walk in the park already (abandoned as a child in the forest, rejected by her peers because she's a woman, being forced to marry someone and setting up deadly footraces, losing due to being cheated by other Gods, then 'almost' turned into a lion) but her life as a servant is also bad. She only had one simple wish: A world where children were loved... [[spoiler:which turned out to be a TragicDream that was realistically unattainable. Her mind gets wrecked by Jack the Ripper by playing onto her love for children and she falls into a mad rage and hate, especially towards Jeanne who could only give out blunt truths against her. The only way out of this rage is death, which her friend, Achilles, delivered. In the last sane moments of her life, she was crying in regret of not knowing what should be done about the unattainable dream that deep down she knew was unattainable, but couldn't let go of. The hug Achilles gave her was ''damn'' needed.]]

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