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| 5 | * AlasPoorScrappy: |
| 6 | ** Carver, if he survives the DeathByOriginStory, can get one of these later. |
| 7 | ** [[spoiler: And in a much more contentious example, Anders, if you choose to execute him. Regardless of fan reception, it was clearly designed to give his death drama.]] |
| 8 | * AlternateAesopInterpretation: Occurs in-universe at the end of Merrill's personal quest. Hawke can either tell her [[EvilIsNotAToy she was stupid]] for thinking she could ever use blood magic safely, or that [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer everyone else was stupid]] for interfering with her life - [[spoiler: especially Marethari.]] |
| 9 | * AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: |
| 10 | ** Because it's [[LowFantasy lower fantasy than its predecessor]], the game forces the player to re-evaluate preconceptions built up by playing as the Warden, such as the fate of mages, the rightness of the Chantry, and so on. Hawke having an apostate sister, and possibly being one themselves, gives the player a distinctly different starting perspective than, say, the Human Noble Warden. Then again, one can argue Hawke's starting perspective is not ''that'' different from the Human Noble and Mage Origins (many players see it as just a fusion of the two), and can be outright privileged compared to most Non-Human Warden backgrounds. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdsPDIYUxKA The review]] by WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation put it best: |
| 11 | --->'''Yahtzee Croshaw''': Much like the first one, ''Dragon Age II'' is [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything all about the representative messages]], and can't go more than five minutes without someone being really, heavy-handedly racist against mages, elves, dwarves, goldfish, etc, which is why I find it somewhat ''ironic'' that you're only allowed to play a human this time around[[note]]screen shows two cartoon people [[ANaziByAnyOtherName with swastikas on their chest with arrows pointing to them saying "Pick One,"]] [[RefugeInAudacity with a goldfish holding a sword giving a disappointed "Aw" in the background]][[/note]], when the last game let you pick from an entire Burger King Kid's Club of races and backstories. |
| 12 | ** Anders. Is he a tragic hero, a hypocrite, or some combination of the two? [[spoiler:At best, he's a revolutionary fighting against injustice. At worst, he's killed dozens of innocent people to start a chain of events that would contribute to the start of a rebellion.]] Another factor started making the rounds after the release of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'': [[spoiler:did Anders somehow know that the Right of Annulment has been abused and covered up before? The similarities to the Gallows and the Antiva City Circle prior to its illegal Annulment are a little ''too'' close to be coincidental.]] |
| 13 | ** Merrill. Is she a careful, courageous researcher, fighting against prejudice and misunderstanding to discover the lost secrets of a dying race? Or is she a foolish blood mage whose pride prevents her from seeing risks until they harm the ones she loves? |
| 14 | ** Grand Cleric Elthina. Was she the only thing keeping the mage/Templar conflict stable, or did her refusal to take a side make things worse? The question is also applicable to the Chantry/Qunari conflict in Act 2. Either the appearance of violent zealots was an inevitable consequence of the sustained Qunari presence in the city, or the deterioration of so many members of her church is an indication that she's dangerously out-of-touch with the rest of Kirkwall. |
| 15 | *** There's a growing interpretation of Elthina as well that she was, in reality, a BitchInSheepsClothing. While posing as a GoodShepherd with HeadInTheSandManagement, she, in reality, was very complicit behind the scenes in what was going down at Kirkwall. There is some surprisingly strong evidence for this interpretation as well, laid out best in these [[http://mllemaenad.tumblr.com/post/143320658970/elthina-my-my-such-a-terrible-commotion two]] [[http://flutiebear.tumblr.com/post/10541914327/a-gigantic-rambly-post-just-whose-side-is-elthina blogs]]. |
| 16 | ** [[spoiler:Orsino]] is either a good man who did horrible things out of desperation, or a BitchInSheepsClothing. Further complicated by him acting differently depending on which ending you take. Then there's his involvement with [[spoiler: Quentin]]. |
| 17 | ** Meredith: A crazed KnightTemplar, a WellIntentionedExtremist, or a ProperlyParanoid woman who was right all along? Or did she shift from the latter to the former [[spoiler:after being corrupted by the ArtifactOfDoom]] between Acts 2 and 3? |
| 18 | ** Sebastian: A [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething Royal Who Actually Does Something]] or a spoiled prince who'll try to get others to do his dirty work more often than not? |
| 19 | ** An in-universe case: If Hawke rivals Anders, Justice eventually gets referred to as Vengeance. If Hawke supports Anders' decisions, they keep calling him Justice. |
| 20 | ** Even Snarky Hawke falls prey to this. Are they just an unambiguously [[BigGood heroic]] figure that had no desire for power, or an UpperClassTwit whose continued refusal to take a position of authority meant they were content to sit back and watch while Meredith practically turned Kirkwall into a police-state? |
| 21 | ** There's a growing number of players who feel some of Snarky Hawke's "jokes" are even ''crueler'' than the worst lines from Aggressive Hawke. While Aggressive Hawke can be seen as [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold more gruff than cruel]] and [[AtLeastIAdmitIt at least wears their callousness on their sleeves]], some of Snarky Hawke's [[LovableRogue "charming/funny" quips]] during other character's tragic or vulnerable moments can show straight up KickTheDog levels of LackOfEmpathy. The worst example of this is [[spoiler:telling a joke while the Viscount is cradling his murdered son's corpse, when that same Snarky Hawke [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness couldn't think of a single quip]] when they were cradling their own dying mother]]. |
| 22 | ** Alternatively, is Hawke's continuing reticence to lead simply because every time they're forced into authority (such as during the flight from Lothering, the Deep Roads expedition, and the hunt for Quentin), they end up losing those closest to them? From Hawke's point of view, if they can't even run a mine without their workers getting repeatedly attacked by monsters, how are they supposed to manage running a ''city''? |
| 23 | ** Marethari - was she trying to [[spoiler: save Merrill from a fatal mistake]], or was she [[spoiler: denying Merrill her agency ''and'' endangering her clan by keeping them in one place for years]]? For that matter, [[spoiler: there's an argument that Audacity was always at least as interested in her as Merrill - they both heard its call the first time.]] While Marethari never shows intolerance towards humans like many other Dalish, nonetheless, was Hawke being a Shemlen and an outsider the reason that she repeatedly failed to give them critical information, which would have better helped steer Merrill away from her dangerous path? |
| 24 | ** After what we learn in ''Inquisition'', the [[spoiler: Pride Demon in Merrill's quest]]. Was it always a [[spoiler: demon manipulating Merrill into granting it its freedom]], or was it a [[spoiler: spirit of wisdom, warped into a demon by Marethari's perceptions and refusal to admit she might be wrong]]? |
| 25 | ** Knight-Captain Cullen. LockedOutOfTheLoop trauma victim who ultimately overcomes his horrific past despite Meredith's best efforts to exploit his fear of magic? Or someone who's ''willfully'' blind to abuses and only undergoes a "convenient last-minute change of heart" when ''Hawke'' is in danger? Or is he somewhere in between? |
| 26 | ** Aveline is also a divisive companion. Is she a NobleBigotWithABadge doing her best to serve justice despite her (many) shortcomings, or an incompetent, racist hypocrite? |
| 27 | * AlternateSelfShipping: Anders is sometimes paired with his SuperpoweredEvilSide, Justice/Vengeance. |
| 28 | * AngstWhatAngst: While Anders is outraged by Karl's death, it doesn't take very long for him to move on as he makes a pass at Hawke during their next conversation and is implied to fall in love with them even if he's not the chosen love interest. Keep in mind that Karl was his FirstLove, was one of the reasons he came to Kirkwall in the first place, and it hasn't even been a year since Anders was forced to kill him. He won't even bring up that Karl was his lover if Hawke is female. |
| 29 | * AssPull: [[spoiler:Orsino and Meredith]] turning on you, even if you side with one of them, as a result of a ConflictBall - likely due to the game being rushed. |
| 30 | * BaseBreakingCharacter: The companions in general (with the exception of Varric, who is almost universally beloved by the fandom). To be more specific: |
| 31 | ** People are ''still'' debating whether or not Anders is the most compelling character in the game and a tragic figure that's developed from his previous incarnation, or a complete jackass. Or both. |
| 32 | ** Carver's SiblingRivalry with Hawke either gives him depth that Bethany lacks, or makes him an annoying whiner. |
| 33 | *** Whether he joins the Templars or Grey Wardens tends to affect this. If he joins the former, Carver's JerkAss tendencies become more pronounced and he behaves more antagonistically towards Hawke. If he joins the Wardens, he becomes far more of a JerkWithAHeartOfGold and grows past his SiblingRivalry with Hawke. Templar Carver tends to be TheScrappy for most players while Warden Carver tends to be considered as having been RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap |
| 34 | *** When factoring in ''Legacy'', most players tend to agree that Carver has been [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap rescued from his Base Breaking Character status]], citing his newfound maturity (particularly as a Warden, but even as a Templar he qualifies), depth, and understanding of his father and siblings. It helps that Carver is the one who attempts to bury the hatchet. On the other hand, this DLC did just about nothing to affect Bethany's popularity whatsoever. |
| 35 | ** Similarly, Bethany is either completely generic and flat as a character, or a refreshingly well-adjusted [[OnlySaneMan Only Sane Woman]] in a cast of ridiculously dysfunctional people. As with Carver, it depends on how much the player enjoys a DysfunctionJunction. |
| 36 | ** Isabela is either a walking SugarWiki/{{Funny Moment|s}} with a secret heart of gold or a {{Designated Hero}}ine whose actions got a lot of innocent people killed, and who engages in some extremely Not Okay banter with Fenris. |
| 37 | *** She's also either a [[EthicalSlut confident, strong, sex-positive woman]], or an [[SlutShaming STD factory on legs]]. |
| 38 | *** More people disliked the later revelation in ''ComicBook/ThoseWhoSpeak'' that [[spoiler:she threw slaves overboard to drown in order to save herself]], considering it a MoralEventHorizon that raises some rather disturbing implications about her potential relationship with Fenris. Others argue that plenty of other party members have done horrible things and that the particular dislike of Isabela is based on her being "competition" for Fenris. |
| 39 | ** Fenris is either a compelling character that shows the darkest of what a minority has to face, or an asshole who has a huge stick up his butt for every single thing that has something to do with magic to the point of being the Templars' viewpoint version of Anders. Mage sympathizers and Dalish fans in particular feel that he is very hypocritical for generalizing both groups for thinking that they will always put down the disadvantaged if they gain power and always attempting to talk about the past respectively in a scathing way yet he does the exact same thing (to the same group of people in the former case). His status as a love interest doesn't help; you either love his TroubledButCute storyline or think that he's too much like a stereotypical JRPG protagonist. |
| 40 | ** Aveline is either the perfect StraightMan to almost all of the other party members and Snarky Hawke or someone who doesn't really fit well to the overall story of the game and should have left early. Like with Bethany, this often comes down to how much a player enjoys the DysfunctionJunction and more flawed (and sometimes even unlikable) personalities. She is also sometimes criticized for her pursuit of [[spoiler:the elves at the end of Act 2 who killed one of her guardsmen in an act of RapeAndRevenge after legal remedies failed]]; her stance against vigilante justice in this case draws accusations of hypocrisy and FantasticRacism. On the other hand, fans will counter that she's one of the very few guard captains in the series that allows elves to join the city watch by trying to convince Fenris to join and [[spoiler:even making an elf you may have saved in the first act her lieutenant]]. Of course, this is the same woman who shielded a guard from ''any'' investigation or punishment after he was accused of raping an elven woman, yet dropped everything first thing to arrest the elven brothers who had tried to report him many times, making the accusations of incompetence and passive FantasticRacism not unwarranted. |
| 41 | ** Tallis. This boils down to how much one likes Creator/FeliciaDay and her involvement in MOTA, as well as how much one likes the Qunari. Many found her character fascinating and felt that Day gave a really compelling performance. Others were annoyed that she succeeds in her goals, irrespective of whether Hawke is anti-Qunari, feel her dialogue is filled with moments of [[CantArgueWithElves "Can't argue with Qunari!"]] (for example, a Mage Hawke can't bring up Saarabas), and argue that MOTA feels like "''Dragon Age'' starring Felicia Day (with Hawke and Co. tagging along)." The fact that the character was conceptualized by Felicia herself, rather than the Bioware writers, ''does not'' help matters, with many fans arguing that the entire character is essentially ascended fanfic for name recognition. |
| 42 | *** Beyond that, there's ''another'' group of detractors who feel Tallis doesn't even make sense on a Lore level. Primarily, they point out the fact that she's a woman who fights (which seems to contradict what Sten said in Origins, though it's since been explained with the fact that Tallis is ''technically'' in the priesthood, with players debating whether this is a logical extension of Qunari culture or an AssPull RetCon) and especially the fact that Tallis seems to repeatedly disregard any aspect of the Qun she dislikes. The fact that Felicia Day herself has stated Tallis wishes to retain some level of individual freedom often has some fans complaining that she can't even be considered Qunari (as the individual's desires are rather unimportant and they are completely subservient to the collective good of society). |
| 43 | ** Merrill, especially as time has gone on. There's a good-sized faction of fans who are angry with Bioware for taking a no-nonsense, hard-nosed female authority figure in ''Origins'' and turning her into a {{Moe}} BunnyEarsLawyer {{Cloudcuckoolander}}, straight down to substantial physical changes to make her look ''far'' younger than her previous appearance. Others argue that she's a hugely important component of the story, as while other characters might provide "comic relief", nearly all the rest of it is of the bitter, ironic kind; Merrill is the only one who can provide legitimate ''levity'' thanks to her dogged innocence. They also point out that the game desperately needs a character like her to provide Hawke a different perspective on things. (This, in turn, leads the other side of the base to wonder why Creator/BioWare couldn't have written a new character for the levity instead of rewriting a pre-existing hard-nosed female authority figure for the role.) |
| 44 | *** There's a pretty significant hatedom that perceives Merrill as a clueless, arrogant, ditzy, stubborn idiot who excels at screwing up (particularly how she handles [[spoiler:the Eluvian, which can ultimately lead to her ''entire clan dying'' for what is, essentially, reclaiming tradition for tradition's sake)]]. Her attitude towards blood magic and ''especially'' demons fuels this side's hatred even more. On the flip side, her fans tend to find her more clueless and ditzy moments [[TheCutie sweet, funny, and endearing]], and believe that acting ditzy doesn't make her any [[GeniusDitz less intelligent]] or [[BunnyEarsLawyer capable]] at [[BadassBookworm what she does]]. And while most would agree Merrill can be too prideful for her own good, her fans believe that she has a strong grasp on the dangers of [[spoiler: the Eluvian]], blood magic, and demons, and what trips her up is other characters constantly undermining and sabotaging her efforts and then blaming her for them not working out ([[spoiler:particularly Marethari ''choosing'' to let the demon possess her behind Merrill's back, and then Merrill getting blamed for said choice]]). A few even pointed out that nothing bad ever came from her blood magic and dealing with demons, but because of Marethari's interference and disregarding her duties as a keeper. She may have too much confidence in her abilities, but her issue stems from other characters not having enough confidence in her abilities. |
| 45 | ** Sebastian, unlike most of the examples, has to do with both his status as a DLC party member as well as his characterizations. While Creator/BioWare has a good track record for well-liked DLC party members such as [[VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins Shale]], [[VideoGame/MassEffect2 Kasumi, Zaeed]], and [[VideoGame/MassEffect3 Javik]], many people feel that Sebastian doesn't really fit well into the overall dynamic and some feel that he shouldn't even be in the game at all, let alone worth the money to use him. Those who don't really mind the DLC party member part are also torn between whether they like him for being a nice, calm religious guy who doesn't try to convert people by preaching, or loathe him for being a blatant hypocrite who is well aware of the faults of the Chantry and yet doesn't do anything about it... and ''absolutely'' tries to convert people by preaching. [[spoiler:His decision to try and raise an army against Kirkwall if you spare Anders is also hotly debated. Some see it as the 'ultimate proof' of him being a bad person since the city itself had nothing to do with Anders's actions, while others see it as a understandable move, due to him being in a lot of emotional distress after just witnessing someone he knows blowing up his mother figure and dozens of innocent brothers and sisters, while his supposed friend protects the culprit.]] |
| 46 | ** Grand Cleric Elthina is ''almost'' as divisive as Anders. Some fans praise her as an [[CoolOldLady incredibly intelligent, kind, good-hearted]] ReasonableAuthorityFigure who made every possible effort to defuse the volatile situation in Kirkwall, and feel that she might have even been making progress on the Mage/Templar issue when [[spoiler: [[DroppedABridgeOnHim Anders blew her and the rest of the Chantry up]].]] Many view her as being an utterly incompetent nitwit with a serious case of HeadInTheSandManagement (both in the Qunari crisis, which resulted in countless innocents dying, and in the Mage/Templar crisis) and an unwillingness to take responsibility for her actions or faults (most specifically, the appointment of [[KnightTemplar Knight Commander]] [[ChurchMilitant Meredith]]). |
| 47 | ** As time goes on, Leandra has increasingly become this. Plenty see her as a [[GoodParents good parent]] who is naturally depressed following the first twin's death. Others see her as a [[ParentsAsPeople flawed parent]], showing some favoritism to the surviving twin and being slightly spoiled from her wealthy upbringing. Still others see her as straight up [[AbusiveParents abusive parent]] who shows open ParentalFavoritism to the surviving twin and emotionally abuses Hawke (being protective of the surviving twin but not Hawke, outright blaming them for the first sibling's death and never apologizing unless Hawke brings it up). And then there are those who see her as a DesignatedHero: a lazy, entitled, ungrateful mooch who feels ''owed'' the wealth she ''chose'' to abandon by eloping with an apostate decades ago, refusing to accept the consequences of her actions, and willing to let her children endanger themselves to reclaim the wealth she ''claims'' is to protect them. (Not helped that she brings her children to the "Templar Capital of the World" despite this endangering her mage child(ren). She also refuses to get a job or do chores to help out while her kids WorkOffTheDebt, and is willing to let at least Hawke risk their life looking for treasure in the Deep Roads so they can move to Hightown, rather than insisting on starting over somewhere else where they'd ''all'' be safe.) |
| 48 | * BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Halfway in her boss fight, Meredith does a completely out-of-place anime style backflip a hundred feet into the air out of nowhere, then uses her red lyrium sword to animate statues to fight Hawke. No explanation is given as to how she was able to do these things, how she knew she could do them in the first place, and both of these incidents go without comment. |
| 49 | * BrokenAesop: Ser Thrask wants Hawke to reach a nonviolent solution with [[HateSink Ser Karras]] in "Act of Mercy." [[spoiler:Not killing the latter will result in him unpleasantly remaining a KarmaHoudini and continuing his scumbaggery.]] |
| 50 | * BrokenBase: The sequel makes heavy changes from ''Origins'', which is a far more traditional Creator/BioWare game. In-fighting is vicious, and common, in just about every discussion about the game. |
| 51 | * CharacterPerceptionEvolution: When the game was first released, a lot of party members were criticized for being jerks, too blind with their beliefs, bland, or any combination of the three. As time went on, more of the party members became more appreciated for their nuances (with the exception of Varric who was always and still remains a popular character and Aveline who became more divisive with time). Standout examples include the following: |
| 52 | ** Anders himself. While widely considered TheScrappy for many on release, he's since become a a far more divisive companion, with many fans praising how complex and developed he is as well as the interesting themes and dynamics into which his story arc is tied to the main theme. This is '''especially''' in the wake of the third game's dull and generic main antagonist. ''Inquisition'' also helped by providing background information that put Anders's actions into [[HistoryRepeats greater context]], and Hawke can potentially say that the camp that paint him as [[RonTheDeathEater an irredeemable monster]] and the camp that paints him as [[DracoInLeatherPants beyond reproach]] are ''both'' oversimplifying him. |
| 53 | ** Merrill. When the game first launched, she was almost universally derided as a naïve [[TooDumbToLive idiot]] for thinking she could safely work with a demon, blood magic, or eluvian. However, some revelations in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition,'' such as [[spoiler:Solas and Cole revealing that spirits and demons are separate, some spirits can be safe to work with if they're not corrupted into a demon by the negative emotions or expectations of mortals, and Merrill's Eluvian (if not shattered) being seen in the Fade along with dozens of other Eluvians, including Morrigan's successfully restored one]] have left her vindicated in the eyes of many players, with some even hoping that [[spoiler:her Eluvian knowledge can come in handy against Fen'Harel and his own Eluvian network in future games]]. |
| 54 | ** Carver was criticized for being an annoying little brother who has a chip on his shoulder with Hawke and his mage family members. With the release of the [=DLCs=] and with time allowing fans to understand his character development, fans realize how he definitely had a raw deal throughout his life, [[JerkassHasAPoint made a lot of good points about his family's situation and actions]], and eventually growing past his sibling rivalry with Hawke even as a rival, made him be seen by more fans as one of the most relatable characters in the game. Some mage fans even see his actions if he becomes a Templar as something many other Templars should aspire to. |
| 55 | ** While Aveline has remained something of a BaseBreakingCharacter since the game's original launch in 2011, the reason for putting her in that category have widely changed since then. Originally seen as something of a straightforward [[StraightMan normal person in Hawke's very disparate group]] with some scrutiny towards her more [[SlutShaming biting interactions]] with Isabella that still left Aveline with a good number of fans, as TheNewTwenties rolled on with increasing scrutiny towards police misconduct, Aveline is now seen as being a shining example of how even "good" people allow corruption in the police to linger (such as giving Hawke missions that she doesn't want the Kirkwall Guard to handle, when that would be their very job, or refusing Carver entry in the Guard for what feels like arbitrary reasons). |
| 56 | * CommonKnowledge: Varric has a habit of [[TheNicknamer nicknaming]] the people he travels with. |
| 57 | ** Most assume his nickname for Fenris is "broody"; however, Varric only calls Fenris "broody" once (as a modifier for "elf") and brooding only comes up in conversations between the two of them twice. Varric's actual nickname for Fenris is simply "elf" and the mistaken belief comes from fans {{flanderiz|ation}}ing Fenris' character. |
| 58 | ** The fandom at large also mistakes Varric's nickname for Aveline as "Red". While Varric does try to address her as this, she tells him no, making her the only companion to not have a nickname. |
| 59 | * CompleteMonster: |
| 60 | ** [[BadBoss Danarius]] is a powerful magister of Tevinter and noted to be among the worst of them all. A consummate {{sadist}} who abuses his slaves and even murders them for sport and BloodMagic rituals, Danarius frequently abused Fenris, then named Leto, in all ways, from sexual to psychological. Having Fenris take part in an agonizing Lyrium experiment to make him a weapon, Danarius later had him massacre his own rescuers. Upon hunting Fenris down, if Danarius is successful in taking Fenris back, he [[MindRape destroys his mind]] to make him a wholly obedient slave. |
| 61 | ** [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Ser Otto Alrik]] is a high-ranking Templar who is infamous for his habit of illegally conducting the Rite of Tranquility on unwilling mages. Forever cut off from the spirit world, known as the Fade, Tranquil mages have undergone the spiritual equivalent of a lobotomy and are left as {{Empty Shell}}s for the rest of their lives. Not content with the way things currently are, Alrik's dream is to initiate the [[FinalSolution Tranquil Solution]], a plan where every mage is forcibly made Tranquil, regardless of age or ability. When this plan was turned down by [[KnightTemplar Knight-Commander Meredith]] for [[EvenEvilHasStandards being too extreme]], Alrik began taking steps to carry out his plan in secret, turning mages Tranquil such as he did with Anders' first love, Karl. Also, in the mission "Dissent", while pursuing a female teenage apostate named Ella, Alrik heavily implies that he'll use the Rite of Tranquility to turn her into his willing SexSlave, with the added implication that he frequently does this. This is proven in an overheard conversation between a newly made Tranquil mage and her former lover. In response to her lover trying to break through to her, the Tranquil mage emotionlessly responds, "I am Ser Alrik's now." |
| 62 | * ContestedSequel: While the game received positive reviews upon release, with critics praising the companions' CharacterDevelopment, new gameplay changes, and a generally tighter story which deconstructed a ''lot'' of usual Creator/BioWare Tropes many fans criticized the environments for being smaller, less detailed and [[CopyAndPasteEnvironments very repetitive]]. This criticism was largely aimed at EA by detractors, believing they rushed out the sequel in a very short development cycle.[[note]]From start to finish, ''Dragon Age II'' hit the stores in just under 18 months, and sources claim that the game was only undergoing active development for less than a year, some even claiming that this period was little as ''eight months''. ''Origins'', meanwhile, had been in development for ''four years'' (six if you count in the pre-production and planning stages), and ''Inquisition'' took ''three'' (four when counting in the planning stages).[[/note]] Furthermore, the finale remained largely the same regardless of player choices, and thus didn't really offer much in the way of closure. Several returning characters from previous ''Dragon Age'' games, particularly Anders, also have markedly different personalities. Is it a worthy entry into the DA franchise, an okay but obviously rushed game, a disappointing, lackluster experience with a few good ideas shining through here and there, or the herald of the beginning of the end for all of Bioware? [[FlameWar There but for the grace of the Maker go you, gentle troper.]] |
| 63 | ** Notably, quite a few fans think that the game is quite solid in and of itself, but suffers from being labeled a main installment in the franchise, claiming that the game's description as a direct sequel to ''Origins'' created expectations that it never really had any chances of living up to (''especially'' when it came to the scope of the story), and it would have gotten a more favorable reception if Bioware had kept expectations at a more modest level and called the game a side story or an outright spin-off. |
| 64 | * CriticalDissonance: An example where critics, primarily major ones with previews and review copies, have higher recorded scores than the recorded scores of customers. On Metacritic, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' has scores ranging from 79 to 82. Its user scores? Range from 3.9 to 4.4. |
| 65 | * [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic Crowning Music of Awesome]]: The song that plays in the ''Destiny'' trailer, especially the chorus. |
| 66 | ** On a different note, the music from the credits - including a [[TearJerker tearjerking remix]] of Music/FlorenceAndTheMachine's "I'm Not Calling You a Liar." |
| 67 | * DemonicSpiders: |
| 68 | ** Enemy assassins have disproportionately large HP bars and vanish off-screen during battle, reappearing only to backstab the member of your team with the lowest armor or health value for massive damage only to return to stealth immediately after. This means that, at best, the player has a seconds-long window to whittle down a large amount of health while dealing with whatever other backup they brought with them and places frail members at exceptional risk. |
| 69 | ** Enemy mages, while not as versatile as before, are still a large pain with dangerous area of effect attacks that can easily wipe out a party in seconds if they do not move out of their substantial range. The mages themselves are still relatively [[SquishyWizard frail]] compared to warriors, but get around this by either covering themselves in an impenetrable shield for ten seconds at a time (at least they can't do anything while in that shield), or seemingly teleporting themselves to a random point on the battlefield to evade. Of special note are Blood Mages, Saarebas, and Arcane Horrors - three foes that you'll have to eliminate as soon as possible if you hope to win a battle. |
| 70 | *** Let's talk more about the Qunari mages, or Saarebas. The Qun should ''really'' take more pride in its mages, since they can '''KICK YOUR ASS TO PAR VOLLEN AND BACK'''. Not only do they take a ridiculous amount of damage, but they have a lightning ball spell that they can spam and essentially down your party within five seconds if you're not careful. Also, they can teleport, which is [[RealityWarper impossible according to in-game lore on the limitations of magic.]] |
| 71 | ** While the Rage Demons of ''Origins'' were mostly minor foes with crippling weaknesses to [[KillItWithIce ice spells]], including the ever popular [[GameBreaker Cone of Cold]], their successors have become ''[[TookALevelInBadass far]]'' more dangerous. They're extremely resilient to most attacks, can dive into the ground for sneak attacks, are next to impossible to stun, and deliberately target the party members with either the least armor or lowest health, making them one of the biggest threats on the battlefield whenever they appear. |
| 72 | ** Revenants are just as deadly in this game as they were in ''Origins''. Worse, they often appear alongside Arcane Horrors and have a nasty tendency of pulling you away from them, giving the Horrors time to cast their party killing spells. |
| 73 | ** More literally, poison spiders on Nightmare. Their stun poison attack lets them wipe out anyone in [=1v1=] combat unless you can stop that. And the biggest problem is that they always spawn at least 2, usually 3, at a time. Definitely a contender for the toughest non-boss enemy in the game, at least on nightmare. |
| 74 | ** ''Legacy'' brings back the older darkspawn and other cave dwelling monsters to give them a ''serious'' boost. |
| 75 | *** Genlocks, who were originally just smaller darkspawn infantry (barring powerful ones like the Forgemaster), return as apelike berserkers that aren't so bad on their own. Their Alpha cousins, on the other hand, are large menacing creatures that carry spiked shields that almost completely nullify head-on damage. Getting behind them is easier said than done as they have surprisingly quick charge attacks that do massive damage and send most characters flying. To make it worse, the areas where they're found are full of identical spiked shields as background pieces that allow them to ambush the player. |
| 76 | *** Hurlock Alphas return as hideous, three meter tall giants with massive axes capable of easily sending an entire party flying in one sweep. Worse, they actually seem to buff and coordinate other darkspawn into a much more dangerous force. |
| 77 | *** Deepstalkers remain much like their ''Origins'' counterparts, except for a few details: their spit attacks are fast, plentiful, and they can ''hurt''. They appear in swarms and can easily pick off your least powerful party member through sheer firepower before you finally rip through them all. |
| 78 | ** The Ghasts in ''Mark of the Assassin''. Just as bad as Deepstalkers, they also throw buffers and mages into the mix as well. |
| 79 | * DesignatedHero: |
| 80 | ** The Dwarven Noble Warden from the optional backstory is definitely this. He exiled Alistair to become a wandering, bitter drunk, sent Loghain to his death against the Archdemon, and was utterly ruthless in dealing with the Blight. Despite all signs pointing to him being an incredible asshole, he's still considered "The Hero of Ferelden" because he ''did'' stop the Blight, [[NominalHero just not in a very "heroic" way.]] |
| 81 | ** Arguably, Leandra. The game paints Gamlen as being wrong for things like charging rent to Leandra and putting Hawke and their sibling into servitude... except that if it wasn't for Gamlen, the family wouldn't have gotten into Kirkwall, period, and he's asking Leandra, who is sitting around doing nothing, to be decent enough to help pay for food and the like. It's hard to view Gamlen as being completely in the wrong, especially when you learn that Gamlen remained TheUnfavorite even as he cared for his parents in their declining health while Leandra was living comfortably with her husband and children in Lothering. |
| 82 | ** Tallis is a straight-up and unambiguous example. Her goal of [[spoiler: stealing and hiding/destroying a list of known Qunari spies puts countless nations in Thedas at jeopardy of being invaded and taken over by the Qunari, given that spies are often crucial to stealth attacks and sabotage.]] Come the ''Trespasser'' DLC of ''Inquisition'', [[spoiler: the Qunari ''do'' attempt to launch a surprise attack using their spy network to murder all the leadership in Thedas first. It fails and, while there's no guarantee that Tallis's list would have stopped this, it certainly could not have ''hurt'' to have access to it.]] Despite the fact that Tallis succeeding at her goal is bad for everyone in Thedas except for [[spoiler: the Qunari]], it's still presented as heroic because she's "saving innocent lives" and "protecting people." (This is MetaphoricallyTrue, given that she ''would'' see these people as being innocent and heroic. Doesn't change the fact that their actions could cause the death of countless others if they aren't stopped.) |
| 83 | ** Thanks to the Friendship/Rivalry path, Hawke is this by default. No matter what stance Hawke takes on any issue (and [[CrapsackWorld there]] [[GreyAndGrayMorality are]] [[EvilVersusEvil many]]), their TrueCompanions will ''always'' end up standing by them as long as you max out their Friendship ''or'' Rivalry RelationshipValues. Yet, a great way to earn Rivalry points is to be needlessly rude or cruel to your companions, or commit actions that they find morally abhorrent in front of them (like siding with Templars in front of Anders, helping mages or slavers in front of Fenris, being cruel to anyone in front of Merrill, etc.). However, it's impossible to cross the MoralEventHorizon in your companions' eyes, and as long as you max out said Rivalry this cements companions' UndyingLoyalty and they'll just AgreeToDisagree. But, since this applies both being callous to companions ''and'' differing moral issues like slavery, FantasticRacism and genocide, it ensures that sooner or later companions will ''always'' end up agreeing with Hawke or deciding that Hawke's actions were justified just because '''Hawke''' was the one who said or did it (even if they wouldn't tolerate those same words or actions from other characters). |
| 84 | * DieForOurShip: There's a very vocal minority that can't stand the idea of Isabela and Fenris hooking up, even though it only happens if you don't romance either of them yourself. There are even some who claim to have [[spoiler: handed her over to the Arishok]] just for that - which ignores Fenris flat-out stating that he would never have done such a thing himself. |
| 85 | * DracoInLeatherPants: |
| 86 | ** Depending on one's opinions of the Mage/Templar situation, the characters on one side will often tend to have their flaws ignored or justified while the other side is [[RonTheDeathEater utterly demonized]]. |
| 87 | ** In addition, players who tend to like the Qun/Qunari often try to justify the Arishok's actions, despite the fact that he [[spoiler: killed a whole bunch of innocent people, including the Viscount - who, ironically enough, appeared to be the ''only person in all of Kirkwall'' trying to end the city's status as a WretchedHive, and who did ''try'' to negotiate with the Arishok, only to be brushed off. It's not uncommon for players to turn over Isabela purely so they don't have to kill the Arishok.]] |
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| 91 | |
| 92 | * EndingFatigue: Act 3 was hit the hardest by the development time crunch and is rather uninspired as a result, consisting mainly of the remaining plotlines being hastily wrapped up along with a few gratuitous-feeling cameos from the first game. The fact that, irrespectively of Hawke's actions, quite a few major characters will by this point have died or left town doesn't help. Nor does the fact that the main remaining conflict is between the mages and Templars, and by this point the player will have gotten plenty of reason to feel that ''both'' factions are deeply unsympathetic and unsatisfying to side with. |
| 93 | * EnsembleDarkhorse: |
| 94 | ** Minor character Lilley from the "Inside Job" sidequest (who only has a few lines of dialogue and [[spoiler:gets killed off halfway through the quest]]) has somehow endeared herself to a lot of fans, some of whom go as far as to suggest she should've been made a permanent party member. This is probably all thanks to a surprisingly powerful performance from Alix Wilton Regan, though her being a good-looking ActionGirl likely helps a lot, too. |
| 95 | ** Athenril seems to have attracted a similar following, probably for much the same reasons, and the fact that she's one of the elves people will hold up as a sign that the new elf design is good. |
| 96 | ** Ketojan. He really gave the feeling that he would be a party member, which meant his fate left a lot of players very disappointed. |
| 97 | ** Cullen, a returning fan favorite from ''Origins'', has lost none of his popularity; if anything, this game likely helped him to gain some, since he's got a much larger role here. |
| 98 | * FanNickname: |
| 99 | ** "Dragon Effect," because this game borrows some elements (voiced protagonist, dialogue wheel, greater focus on action than tactics) from ''Franchise/MassEffect''. |
| 100 | ** The "Diplomatic" and "Aggressive" personalities are more commonly identified as [[Franchise/MassEffect "Paragon" and "Renegade."]] In fact, this is so ingrained that, when the personalities are referred to by color, the Diplomatic personality is almost always called "''blue'' Hawke" - despite the fact that in-game, the Diplomatic choices are sometimes represented by icons depicting ''green'' olive branches. (Other times the icon really is blue.) |
| 101 | ** The female Hawke is called Lady Hawke by some of the fanbase. (Some use it deliberately because of the movie ''Film/{{Ladyhawke}}''.) "[[PunnyName Mike]]" is a favorite name for Male Hawke, for [[IncrediblyLamePun some reason]]... |
| 102 | ** "Noodlehair" and variants for Cullen, since in certain lights his curls resemble a packet of ramen. |
| 103 | ** Sebastian is sometimes (usually affectionately) called "Seabass." |
| 104 | * FanficFuel: |
| 105 | ** The time skips between the acts leave room for ''lots'' of adventures that Varric simply doesn't think to mention to Cassandra. |
| 106 | ** As noted in ''The World of Thedas, vol. 2'', Leandra could have avoided being disowned by her parents if she'd agreed not to elope with Malcolm, and Hawke (who had already been conceived) would have grown up recognized as an Amell grandchild and heir to the estate. This would have turned the 'rise of the Champion' into a completely different story. |
| 107 | * {{Fanon}}: |
| 108 | ** Some fans have taken to calling the unnamed [[NoNameGiven "Elven Brothers"]] in "Demands of the Qun" Judah, Simeon, Levi, and Reuban, and their unnamed sister Dinah, after the biblical story about RapeAndRevenge. |
| 109 | ** Some also call the Elven Fanatic in "Blackpowder Courtesy" 'Mara,' after the story of Naomi who was driven to bitterness after losing her family (and at one point tells Ruth that she should be called 'Mara', which means 'bitter' in Hebrew, instead of Naomi, because that means 'pleasant'), since she's driven to fanaticism from losing her family to the Qun. (WordOfGod is that Thedosian city elves are based on Medieval Jews.) |
| 110 | * FauxSymbolism: During "The Final Straw", Anders delivers his MotiveRant to Orsino and Meredith, stopping them from interrupting by repeatedly slamming his staff on the ground, like a judge's gavel. |
| 111 | * FoeYayShipping: |
| 112 | ** Aveline and Isabela. |
| 113 | ** [[http://littleclaypot.tumblr.com/post/4809447189/i-have-died-and-gone-to-heaven "Fenders."]] Fenris and Anders is becoming more prevalent as well, despite their obvious vitriol. Adds a whole new layer of meaning to the term "[[IncrediblyLamePun fender-]][[UnusualEuphemism bender]]." |
| 114 | ** Merrill/Fenris is also surprisingly prevalent in the fandom, for similar reasons. |
| 115 | ** Orsino/Meredith is quite a popular pairing among fans, which is probably helped by Snarky Hawke jokingly shipping them in-universe during a heated argument between the two. |
| 116 | * FranchiseOriginalSin: Elf fans who weren't very happy about how Bioware handled the [[MightyWhitey "eluvian expert"]] in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'' have noticed the seeds were sown in this game. Many have noted that in-universe, Merrill is universally treated like a naïve idiot for supposedly messing with powers too great for her to control, despite it being ''her own culture'' ([[BrokenBase fans are still divided on that]]), whereas [[spoiler:Morrigan]] in the ''Witch Hunt'' DLC and ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'' is ''never'' questioned or disrespected by any characters for restoring her own eluvian [[spoiler:despite ([[MightyWhitey or because of]]) the fact that she's human]]. Narratively, many fans also noted this game depicts Hawke, a required human protagonist, as more credible in determining whether Merrill should or could restore an artifact of her own culture only opened the door later for ''Inquisition'' to treat [[spoiler:Morrigan]] as a far greater expert on all elven lore over all other elves (even potentially to a Dalish Inquisitor and/or their ancient elven expert companion), and the game presenting her as ''the'' most suitable choice to [[spoiler:drink from the Well of Sorrows, a compilation of millennia of ancient elven memories, and inherit Mythal's godhood]] despite not being elven and having no personal connection to elven culture or people. The fact that ''Inquisition'' was written with a required human protagonist in mind, and that [[spoiler:Morrigan]] is the default [[spoiler:drinker of the Well]] unless the player manually adjusts an elven protagonist to be one instead, just fans the flames. |
| 117 | * GameBreaker: Has its own page [[GameBreaker/DragonAge here]]. |
| 118 | * GoodBadBugs: |
| 119 | ** If all but one of your party is laid out on the floor and the game goes to a cutscene, when the gameplay resumes they'll be back on their feet with full health and mana or stamina bars, and no injuries. |
| 120 | ** A glitch can give Rogue Hawke a whopping 35 defense score per point of Cunning, making them nearly untouchable by normal attacks. |
| 121 | ** Using the Maker's Sigh potions basically resets your character's talents, attributes, and specialties. Occasionally, drinking it would cause a glitch to happen in which you would keep your specialties, meaning you could unlock a third one. This has since been patched out. |
| 122 | ** In the final boss fight, the boss will repeatedly paralyze all combatants to go on monologues... but if you've invested into Aveline's defensive skills, and have her in your active party, she'll be immune, and proceed to smack around the boss. It's as if someone asked, "[[WhyDontYouJustShootHim Why don't you just hit 'em?]]" This can actually cause a glitch with the post game autosave. If the boss isn't allowed to complete its stun-cycle at least once, the autosave may be saved incorrectly and when you load you will be stuck in a wall listening to the final battle dialogue until the game crashes. |
| 123 | ** It's possible for the Arishok to throw Hawke through the door and into the adjoining room where he can't get at Hawke. If you're playing a mage, the battle presumably goes down in history as Hawke running out of the room, barring the door, then sending in fireballs through the keyhole until the Arishok collapsed. |
| 124 | ** In the ''Legacy'' DLC, there's an exploit that potentially allows all twelve of the potential Hawke's Key bonuses to be put on it instead of the player having to choose a maximum of three. See [[http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/The_Hawke%27s_Key here]] for directions. The result, [[InfinityPlusOneSword especially if the player waited until late in the main game]], is [[GameBreaker just as powerful as it sounds]]; if acquired prior to the Arishok fight, the Hawke's Key can turn that event into a CurbStompBattle - in ''your'' favor. |
| 125 | * HarsherInHindsight: |
| 126 | ** If Varric is in the party when Dougal offers to front you the cash to get in on the Deep Roads expedition, when you mention that Bartrand won't like it if Dougal is involved, Varric will say, "He'd lose his mind. Not that it wouldn't be funny to watch." Yeah... not so funny to someone who's already done a playthrough and knows what happens to Bartrand after the Deep Roads... |
| 127 | ** One of the "Bone Pit" sidequests has Hawke convincing the miners to go back to work. One of the miners doesn't want to go back after the dragon attack. He drunkenly says "What if something else comes, like uh... ''bigger'' dragons?" [[FromBadToWorse Cue Act 3...]] |
| 128 | ** A meta one: per WordOfGod, Cullen initially fails to notice a mage Hawke is a mage because "[he's] just very oblivious." According to ''Inquisition'' and ''World of Thedas'', he was also oblivious to the extent of the abuses at the Gallows, despite some of it taking place right in the courtyard. |
| 129 | ** Jethann's comment about how [[ForbiddenLove Templars always seem to have a thing for Mages.]] Ask Cullen [[MindRape how that worked out for him]] [[VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins in the previous game]], or better yet, Wynne. |
| 130 | ** [[spoiler:Anders's destruction of the Chantry]] feels worse following the 2011 Norway attacks, whose perpetrator [[spoiler:was also named Anders, and called himself a Templar to boot. They look quite similar as well.]] |
| 131 | ** Anders' personal story arc is kicked off by having to MercyKill an old friend and lover who's been made Tranquil. In the following game, we learn [[spoiler:that the Rite of Tranquility can be ''permanently'' reversed]]. |
| 132 | ** In Act 3, Corff TheBartender can say that the aging Divine Justinia needs to pick a successor soon or it will be a huge mess when she dies. [[spoiler: In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'', that mess turns out far worse than anyone expected, due to the number of potential successors who died at the Conclave.]] |
| 133 | ** With how the global refugee crisis intensified toward the end of TheNewTens, the game ''opening'' with the protagonist and their family fleeing the darkspawn-infested Ferelden (disease and violence) to Kirkwall on an overcrowded refugee boat and facing violence, discrimination, and poverty when they arrive can make the story hit ''much'' closer to home for a lot of people than during the game's 2011 release. |
| 134 | ** After nationwide riots and protests erupted across the United States due to excessive police brutality against minorities (and lack of accountability or disciplinary actions for the same), Act 2's climax being instigated by [[spoiler:Guard-Captain Aveline failing to act on reports of one of her guards raping an elven woman, but dropping everything to arrest the woman's brothers (who tried to report it) after they got tired of waiting and [[RapeAndRevenge took matters into their own hands]],]] can be a lot harder to watch. |
| 135 | * HilariousInHindsight: |
| 136 | ** Fenris's wolf motif seems highly appropriate in light of Creator/GideonEmery's later role as the werewolf Deucalion on ''Series/TeenWolf''. |
| 137 | ** Following the season 6 ''Series/GameOfThrones'' finale, fans of both franchises (of which there are many, due to the influence of ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' on ''Franchise/DragonAge'') immediately picked up on the similarities between [[spoiler:the bombing of the Chantry in this game and Cersei's bombing of the Great Sept]]. Since both of the characters are blond-haired, the phrase "way to go, Blondie" became [[http://quesoconmermelada.tumblr.com/post/146538566291/someone-had-to quite the relevant statement]] for the events of the show. |
| 138 | ** A dialogue between Varric and Aveline in Act 1 about petitioning the Viscount to let him "steal" ownership of the Hanged Man is a lot funnier since the release of the ''Inquisition'' DLC ''Trespasser'', which reveals that now, [[spoiler: Varric ''is'' the Viscount of Kirkwall.]] |
| 139 | ** The entire framing device is revealed as a case of PoorCommunicationKills and a waste of everybody's time in ''Inquisition''. [[spoiler:Varric always knew where Hawke was, and Cassandra's intent was to make Hawke Inquisitor. But she was so aggressive and secretive about it that Varric didn't know ''why'' she wanted Hawke, so he lied to protect his friend.]] |
| 140 | * IncestYayShipping: Hawke and Bethany. Owners of the PC version can mod the game to enable a Bethany romance, or mod Merrill to have Bethany's appearance. There are plenty of fanfictions shipping Hawke with Bethany (and/or Carver too sometimes). |
| 141 | * JerkassWoobie: |
| 142 | ** Carver, if he lives so long. The more terrible things happen to him, the more of a jerk he becomes. |
| 143 | ** Anders and Justice are this too, individually or combined. Though Anders still genuinely seems like a selfless, caring person (even on occasion to Merrill), it's often undermined by his more callous/cruel remarks to people with differing opinions about mages. Of particular note is his taunting Aveline about her dead husband, and being delighted if you choose to hand Fenris [[spoiler: over to Danarius]]. |
| 144 | ** Bethany can become this over the course of the story, depending on her fate. It's very minimal if she's forced to join the Circle; she's a little cold and sharp toward Hawke during the run up to the Arishok fight, but (especially if her friendship was maxed) she moves past it, and it could be chalked up to her terror in the moment. Warden Bethany, however, is considerably bitter and cold towards not just Hawke, but almost all the party members. This is really only noticeable if she's brought along for the DLC campaigns, in which she provides some scathing remarks and then retracts them in frustration. It's a cruel counterpoint to Act 1's sweet, kind, gentle Bethany. |
| 145 | ** Fenris. He gets Woobie points for his slave background, but the resulting hatred of mages makes him wholly unsympathetic towards them. He even asserts that Merrill's a monster while she's in mourning (see above). On the other hand, it's hard not to feel bad for him when you find out that [[spoiler:he competed for the chance to be used as the subject of his master's ritual, not for his own sake, but to free his mother and sister from slavery... only for his sister to eventually turn him in to his former master in order to become his apprentice]]. |
| 146 | ** Gamlen Amell comes off as an unpleasant dick to pretty much everyone, even his own family; but when you find out a bit more about his life, it's hard not to find some pity for him. Despite him staying by his dying parents' side and caring for them, they still seemed to favor Leandra over him and barely left him anything in their will; then a series of bad investments and decisions resulted in him living in squalor and cost him the woman he loved; and then he [[spoiler:loses his beloved sister to a SerialKiller]]. At least it's possible to grant him something of a happy ending by [[spoiler:reuniting him with his long-lost daughter]]. |
| 147 | * LauncherOfAThousandShips: Fenris, being shipped with [[RomanceSidequest both female and male Hawke]], [[FoeYayShipping Anders, Merrill]], [[OddFriendship Sebastian, Bethany]], [[FriendsWithBenefits Isabela]], and sometimes [[ShipsThatPassInTheNight Zevran and even Dorian]]. |
| 148 | * LiteraryAgentHypothesis: How Varric begins the story; the [[FakeActionPrologue prologue]] is somewhat similar to what actually happens, with marked differences. See FramingDevice and ATasteOfPower on the main page. |
| 149 | ** Many of the inconsistencies and questionable events in the game are often explained away by fans as being due to Varric embellishing the story or hiding inconvenient or embarrassing facts. Some of the more popular ones are the sudden appearance of enemies from rooftops or out of nowhere[[note]]Varric simply trying to make things more exciting[[/note]], the "romantic" duel with the Arishok[[note]]Covering up for Hawke's rather embarrassing performance, which is [[ThatOneBoss usually how it goes in game]][[/note]], Hawke or mage companions flinging magic spells around in one of the most mage-unfriendly cities in Thedas[[note]]Again, making it more exciting than "Hawke bashing heads in with their staff"[[/note]], Varric not being a romance option[[note]]Which Varric probably would have hidden from Cassandra; originally, there was supposed to be a [[TheStinger stinger]] that all but confirmed that an unromanced Hawke in fact had a relationship with Varric[[/note]], and Orsino's bizarre FaceHeelTurn when Hawke sides with the mages[[note]]Which, according to one fan theory, was put in because Varric wanted to cover up Hawke killing Orsino in a rage after learning Orsino had assisted Quentin, the mage who killed Leandra[[/note]]. Funnily enough, a few of these (the 'enemies appearing out of nowhere in surprising numbers' one, the exaggerated animations) gets referenced in ''Inquisition'', where Varric is asked where all those enemies came from, and the Inquisitor can ask why Orsino's FaceHeelTurn was poorly shown in the story. |
| 150 | ** Similarly to Varric's embellishment, many fans choose to explain certain aspects of gameplay as being the result of ''Cassandra's'' imagination. Since she's listening to Varric tell the story, it's been suggested that what happens in the game is based on what his listener pictures as he tells it, using what she herself has seen of Kirkwall as her reference. This theory would clarify a number of issues, such as why so many locations (like caves and warehouses) look the same, why we only see three rooms in Hawke's very large estate, and why none of the companions ever change clothes.[[note]](This becomes HilariousInHindsight when you realize that this would mean that any OptionalSexualEncounter is ''also'' part of Cass's imaginings, especially when you've played the next game and know what a romantic she is!)[[/note]] |
| 151 | * MemeticLoser: Hawke, believe it or not. The game frames Hawke as this [[WorldsStrongestMan amazing badass who single-handedly changed the fate of Thedas]]; but in-game, aside from successfully finding treasure in the Deep Roads at the end of Act 1 and [[spoiler:defeating the Arishok]] at the end of Act 2, Hawke fails at pretty much ''everything'' they try to do. [[note]]They fail to save their first sibling from the Ogre in the Prologue, fail to keep their second sibling [[spoiler:safe at home]] at the end of Act 1, fail to [[spoiler:save their mother from a Serial Killer]] late in Act 2, get knocked around by the Arishok unless they're a dedicated Shield & Sword Tank at the end of Act 2, fail to [[spoiler:prevent Anders from blowing up the Chantry]], and fail to [[spoiler: prevent the Mage/Templar conflict from spiralling into a world war]] at the end of the game. They also fail to save many [=NPC=]s in late game side quests since everyone turns out to be a blood mage, abomination, or just [[WretchedHive evil and crazy]].[[/note]] That said, most fans joke about this with obvious fondness since Hawke is a popular protagonist, and players find these traits relatable. Still, the trope is so present that an antagonist in [[VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition the next game]] points out Hawke's many failures as part of a HannibalLecture ReasonYouSuckSpeech. |
| 152 | * MemeticMutation: [[Memes/DragonAge See here]]. |
| 153 | * {{Moe}}: Merrill. Besides having the regular enormous elf eyes, she also possesses the quintessential "cute and adorable" trait associated with {{Moe}} girls. As a bonus, she's clumsy and absent-minded. |
| 154 | * MoralEventHorizon: |
| 155 | ** Some fans' reactions to [[spoiler:Anders ''nuking'' Kirkwall's Chantry in order to start a rebellion between mages and Templars have been disgust and horror]]. |
| 156 | *** To a lesser extent, Anders cheerfully approving of Hawke handing [[spoiler:Fenris back to his former owner to be re-enslaved (and it is implied that Danarius had sexually abused Fenris before) ]] simply because he doesn't like him is extremely hard to stomach. |
| 157 | ** Meredith wastes no time crossing the line herself [[spoiler:when she uses Anders's aforementioned destruction of the Chantry as an excuse to invoke the Right of Annulment against a Circle to which Anders never belonged. The fact that it's completely legal makes this an In-Universe Moral Event Horizon for the Chantry and the Templars in the eyes of Circle mages throughout Thedas. Half of them rebel on the spot when they find out what she did and the rest follow within a year - all of which was exactly what Anders planned.]] |
| 158 | ** [[spoiler: Orsino]] either crosses it when he reveals that he was working together with Quentin and covered him up or when he defiles the corpses of his fellow mages (or, depending on which side you take, even sacrifices them himself) to become a Harvester. |
| 159 | ** A lot of the bad things Hawke can do can have ''some'' justification. However, there's no justification for [[spoiler:selling Fenris back into slavery to Danarius, even though he's been your trusted companion and potentially friend/lover for '''six years''']]. ''Every member'' of your party calls you out on it (with the exception of Anders, who cheers you on, which in return can counts as an example for him as well since his whole thing is freedom for mages, which makes his reaction extremely hypocritical for many people). |
| 160 | ** Mother Petrice crosses it when she murders [[spoiler:Saemus Dumar]], frames Hawke for it, and tries to use the whole affair to spark a war with the Qunari. When told that her actions will lead to a massacre on both sides, she brushes off the excess of blood which is and will be on her hands as though it's meaningless. |
| 161 | ** The Arishok's decision to [[spoiler: attack Kirkwall. Lots of people are killed, such as the Circle mages and the Viscount, and absolutely none of them did anything to deserve it.]] Hawke has the option of telling him that regardless of whether or not he had legitimate grievances, he went too far by responding that way. |
| 162 | * {{Narm}}: [[WhamEpisode Yes, it is shocking]] when [[spoiler: Anders nukes the Chantry at the end of Act 3]]. It is, however, ''impossible'' to take the situation seriously after Sebastian's BigNo. |
| 163 | * OneSceneWonder: Flemeth only makes two major appearances: first in the prologue after Hawke defeats the Ogre that killed Carver/Bethany, and then near the end of Merrill's recruitment quest after being summoned from her amulet. However, Kate Mulgrew's performance makes those scenes quite memorable. |
| 164 | * OneTrueThreesome: Two major ones: |
| 165 | ** Hawke, Fenris and Isabela: Two potential love interests who have a canon attraction that turns into FriendsWithBenefits (and possibly more) near the end of the game. It also neatly avoids the ShipToShipCombat issues. |
| 166 | ** Hawke, Merrill and Isabela: Merrill and Isabela are already close friends and [[ShipperOnDeck ship each other with Hawke]] depending on romance paths. |
| 167 | * PlayerPunch: Plenty. |
| 168 | ** [[spoiler: Leandra's death at the hands of Quentin.]] |
| 169 | ** Bethany or Carver [[spoiler: being conscripted into either the Circle or the Templars if you leave them in Kirkwall during the Deep Roads expedition, or becoming Grey Wardens after being infected by the taint, or dying of the taint if you don't bring Anders, or dying at the hands of the Ogre in Lothering. Getting the Hawke estate back rings hollow because they aren't there with you. See above for why it gets even lonelier.]] |
| 170 | ** [[spoiler: Anders blowing up the Chantry. Especially if you're in a romance with him.]] |
| 171 | ** [[spoiler: If you help Merrill with all her quests with the mirror, you end up having to kill the possessed Keeper Marethari. And unless you choose the counter-intuitive 'I assume responsibility' dialogue option when confronting the clan, you also have to slaughter ''the entire clan''. This includes people like Feynriel's mother Arianni, Paivel the storyteller, and Master Ilen the craftsman. It's especially horrifying if you played as a Dalish Warden in ''Origins''.]] |
| 172 | * RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Before the game's release, many fans weren't thrilled about the fact that the game had a new player character, Hawke, in place of the Grey Warden from the previous game. The "Destiny" trailer went a very long way towards reconciling people to the idea. |
| 173 | ** Carver, as of ''Legacy''. |
| 174 | ** The entire game, as of ''Legacy'' and, to a lesser extent, ''Mark of the Assassin''. The DLC corrects some of the blunders of the game (like repeating dungeons and waves of annoying enemies), whilst keeping and expanding on the good stuff (like the Hawke family). |
| 175 | ** Before its cancellation led it to being [[WhatCouldHaveBeen held back]] for the third game, many at Bioware have suggested that the ''Exalted March'' expansion would have been a further attempt [[AuthorsSavingThrow to do this]]. |
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| 177 | |
| 178 | [[folder:S-W]] |
| 179 | |
| 180 | * ScrappyMechanic: |
| 181 | ** Trying to avoid friendly fire on Nightmare difficulty is an exercise in frustration, due to your cursor automatically centering itself on enemies that it approaches closely as you try to cast your abilities. We hope you didn't want to cast area-of-effect stuff against enemies engaged with the melee member(s) of your party! It's even worse than the first game because you can't zoom out the camera as much anymore to swing it around and try to find some spot on the ground to hit enemies while avoiding allies and the automatic-targeting on enemies. |
| 182 | ** Enemies spawning mid-fight (at worst, ''behind'' your party to leave its squishies ridiculously easy targets [[TrialAndErrorGameplay unless you knew that would happen beforehand]]) a lot isn't a popular choice of gameplay. |
| 183 | * SequelDifficultyDrop: With the exception of Nightmare, each difficulty setting is intentionally easier than it was in ''Origins''. |
| 184 | * ShipsThatPassInTheNight: |
| 185 | ** Bethany/Alistair is quite popular, for some reason. This is sort of strange considering what the reaction was to Alistair/Leliana being merely ''suggested'' in the ''Darkspawn Chronicles'' DLC. |
| 186 | ** Fenris/Dorian is starting to gain a fair bit of traction in fanfic. |
| 187 | * {{Squick}}: Some of Isabela's sexual remarks, which is lampshaded in-universe. |
| 188 | --> '''Hawke''': Isabela! I ''cannot'' unsee that! |
| 189 | * StoicWoobie: Ketojan, and any other Saarebas by extension. Tranquil as well, particularly [[spoiler: Karl]]. |
| 190 | * StrawmanHasAPoint: |
| 191 | ** Despite what you may feel about Meredith's methods, [[spoiler: she is in fact correct that a great deal of the Circle mages are indeed practicing blood magic. This includes First Enchanter Orsino, who turns himself into an abomination and attacks Hawke, even if you choose to protect him.]] |
| 192 | ** Since it still wasn't all of the Circle mages, this goes both ways. Orsino isn't off-base when he tells Meredith: |
| 193 | --->Blood magic! Where do you ''not'' see blood magic?! My people cannot ''sneeze'' without you accusing them of corruption! |
| 194 | ** If you read [[http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_The_Enigma_of_Kirkwall the "Enigma of Kirkwall" entries]], you'll discover that the Tevinter magi specifically built Kirkwall as a giant amplifier for blood magic through use of the city's architecture and secretly sacrificing thousands of slaves. [[spoiler: The ritual sacrifice probably contributed to the weak Veil in Kirkwall (as stated in the codex), making communication with Fade demons a lot easier. No wonder so many Circle mages turn to blood magic; they're practically compelled to do so.]] This point is expanded on with a codex entry you find for ''Legacy'' which explicitly states that this is why Kirkwall suffers a great deal of abominations/possessions. |
| 195 | ** The game paints Gamlen as being completely in the wrong for ''everything'', yet he does make some valid points. Leandra acts like he's selling her kids into slavery when he suggests a year of indentured servitude in exchange for passage into the city; but he's not wrong when he says that the family fortune ''is'' gone (however it went), that this ''is'' their only option, and also that the large influx of unskilled immigrant labor into the city would make jobs very limited, so "think of it as having a job waiting for you once you get in." Sure enough...[[note]]a year later most Blight refugees are toiling away in dead-end poverty ''at best'', whereas the connections and reputation that Hawke gains from a year running with the smugglers/mercenary company ensures that they leave with better job offers (such as being offered an equal partnership in Varric and Bartrand's business venture) than even most Kirkwall natives could dream.[[/note]] While Gamlen is wrong for having stolen and gambled his sister's inheritance away, he still makes a point that Leandra ''chose'' to leave the fortune behind decades ago. Finally, the game treats Gamlen asking Leandra for rent as a very unreasonable request, yet by the time he asks she's been sitting in his house doing nothing (neither chores nor job-hunting) for ''over a year'', so it's perfectly reasonable for him to ask her to pitch in if she has no intention of moving out. |
| 196 | * TakeThatScrappy: The PartyBanter in the [=DLCs=] has quite a few jabs at the expense of [[ButtMonkey Carver and Anders]]. |
| 197 | ** Particularly ironic in regards to Carver, as most players agree that ''Legacy'' has [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap rescued him from the scrappy heap]]. |
| 198 | * ThatOneAchievement: "Supplier," which as the main page notes is an egregious case of GuideDangIt thanks to the game's inaccurate description of its requirements. Good luck finding every single crafting resource in the main game[[note]]The ones gathered in ''Mark of the Assassin'' for the wyvern antidote aren't required for the achievement[[/note]] without a detailed walkthrough at hand. |
| 199 | * ThatOneBoss: |
| 200 | ** The Ancient Rock Wraith provides a ''lot'' of frustration for players, unless they learn the trick to avoid being hit. [[spoiler:When it starts seizing up like it's about to explode, run and hide in the shadowed area behind one of the pillars (make sure the party is set to follow where Hawke goes so they hide too). After all the deadly light stops blaring off of the thing, it collapses and you can get in some free hits before it regains its senses.]] |
| 201 | ** [[spoiler: The Arishok]] has titanic defenses, nasty combo attacks, and hits harder than anything you've come across in the game so far - ''and he drinks healing potions''. A ''lot'' of your duel will likely be spent dodging him around the pillars and running for your life. |
| 202 | *** [[spoiler: The battle with the Arishok]] is slightly less difficult if you have the (free) ''Black Emporium'' DLC, because your faithful mabari can be summoned to keep [[spoiler: the Arishok]] off your back while you scamper off to catch your breath. |
| 203 | *** If you didn't pick the right options to get the single combat, the fight includes such notable things as ''two'' Saarebas mages and a veritable horde of lesser Qunari to back up [[spoiler:the Arishok]]. At least in that situation, it will also include your active party members backing ''you'' up. |
| 204 | ** Corypheus of ''Legacy'' proves to be much tougher than either of the others. ''Legacy'' also has [[spoiler: the secret boss Malvernis, who switches between summoning dozens of skeletal archers, using high-damage blood magic, and eventually turning into a dragon.]] |
| 205 | ** The Pride Demon backed up by a Blood Mage and a horde of Shades on the Docks in "The Last Straw." Many people find that fight to be the toughest of the whole finale and cite it as a reason for [[spoiler:sparing Anders, since he's the only healer at that point if Hawke isn't a mage]]. |
| 206 | * ThatOneLevel: |
| 207 | ** The Deep Roads expedition can be this, depending on Hawke's class or your usual party composition, since Varric is required. If Hawke is a rogue, it means there are two in the party and not much room for choice; Anders will be needed for healing and Aveline or Fenris will be wanted for tanking. |
| 208 | ** The entire final level can be this [[spoiler:if Anders if not present. Being the only healer besides a Mage Hawke, running the gauntlet of late game monsters and enemies is a nightmare without him. Some players have even chosen to spare him when they would rather not have out of simple necessity.]] |
| 209 | ** The ''Mark of the Assassin'' DLC can arguably be considered this. Tallis is required, so you can only bring two of your regular companions; not only that, but you don't even have them with you for the entire middle third of the DLC anyway. Be sure to bring a ''lot'' of potions, especially since the DLC only has one merchant (who is encountered at the very beginning) - and, unlike ''Legacy'', there is no point where you can leave and come back, you can't change the party at any time, and your equipment chest does not show up anywhere. |
| 210 | * TheyChangedItNowItSucks: |
| 211 | ** The second game makes changes to the dialogue wheel, predefined character with a voice, combat, and many other mechanics. This crops up as a complaint due to that. This is reflected in the reviews for the game, which range from "best RPG combat ever" and "refreshingly original narrative" to "dull and unnecessary gameplay changes" or "unfocused and inferior story." Most reviews seem to strike somewhere between the middle, though this still puts the game lower than ''Origins''. |
| 212 | ** The ''Origins'' rogue was something of a SkillGate character, but complaints from players who couldn't get the hang of them were numerous enough to remake them into another flavor of fighter. It didn't help that the [[ArtificialStupidity AI didn't provide a good example of how to use them]]. As a YMMV, the changes could be as much an improvement, as the rogue can now be played as another flavor of fighter, and lockpicking/traps cost no additional skill investment. |
| 213 | ** In a related vein, this change severely limited the Warrior class as well. BowAndSwordInAccord warriors were one of the best builds in ''Awakening'', but now the class doesn't even have access to archery abilities. |
| 214 | ** There are clashing opinions over various changes from ''Origins'', particularly over character redesigns. Many were also displeased with how many ''Origins'' characters look with the new graphics engine. Especially worth noting are how the changes to the elves necessitated an alteration to Zevran's look, and that not everyone was happy about the Qunari getting horns. |
| 215 | ** Another common complaint is that it doesn't focus on the characters enough, when the substantial focus is actually about Hawke's relationship with their companions over the course of ''seven years'', completely missing the point that unlike the first game, we get an indication that these people have a life ''outside'' of the main character. |
| 216 | *** The main criticism with this is that the player ''never sees'' said life outside the main character when the rule of good storytelling is often considered "Show, don't tell." That said, most players who complain about this path are often ones who choose to befriend the characters rather than rival them (the former encourages them to maintain their current outlook, while the latter challenges it and pushes them to change). |
| 217 | * TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: To be an unlicensed magic user in the Dragon Age setting carries a risk of the most severe sanctions, forcing one to keep one's head low, avoid the law, and stay ever vigilant for ChurchPolice coming your way. One figures that itself would make for a fascinating story. Yet as the game is, playing a mage Hawke is barely different to the other two character classes. |
| 218 | * TooBleakStoppedCaring: |
| 219 | ** Some people who played the game complained that the conflict between the mages and Templars, due to both sides frequently going out of their way to KickTheDog and doing very little to render themselves sympathetic in return, resulted in this. By the time Hawke is [[ButThouMust forced to take a side]] after [[spoiler:Anders destroys the Chantry, some players wonder why Hawke should care what happens to either party and are disappointed that they can't tell Orsino and Meredith where they can stick their feud.]] |
| 220 | ** Even outside of the primary Mage vs. Templar conflict, the whole game is almost unbearably bleak: a lot of the people you meet are stupid, evil, cowardly, or combinations thereof, [[CrapsackWorld Kirkwall itself is a decaying hellhole of a city where inequality, bigotry, and corruption are tolerated and enforced]] and despite your choices, [[FailureHero Hawke]] can't really do anything about it (and in some cases, can make things worse). When the Arishok [[spoiler: declares war on the city and starts slaughtering the city's nobles, it's not hard to understand his reasons.]] |
| 221 | * UglyCute: Some have commented that the ghasts invoke this trope. |
| 222 | * UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: |
| 223 | ** A criticism of the game's writing is that characters from both the mages and Templars are made out to be evil or insane so often that Creator/BioWare's attempt to create two morally gray antagonistic factions becomes a case of EvilVersusEvil instead. |
| 224 | ** As a subset of this, Grand Cleric Elthina is clearly supposed to come across as a ReasonableAuthorityFigure desperately trying to keep things together and failing despite valiant efforts; but her constant talk about compromise while both sides pile up the atrocities, without her ever really specifying exactly what "compromise" would entail, makes her behavior come off as HeadInTheSandManagement that borders on being StupidNeutral at worst. Now, to be fair to Elthina, the Templars have an outsized amount of power in Kirkwall -- despite Elthina outranking Meredith, it's strongly suggested that she can't actually control her or her men. However, Elthina's behavior doesn't look like trying and failing in the face of a stronger and more ruthless opponent, but rather like not trying at all. This is especially bad with ''The Exiled Prince'' DLC. If Elthina is worried about Meredith retaliating against attempts to get her under control, then Sebastian's Act 3 quest provides a perfect opportunity to send a message to the Divine and the Seekers without Meredith knowing. Elthina instead asks Hawke ''to lie to the Divine's agent'' about how bad the situation is. |
| 225 | ** The quest "All That Remains" is supposed to make the Templar point of view seem more sympathetic, since it features a blood mage serial killer [[spoiler:who brutally murders Hawke's mother and many other women]]. But at the same time, it portrays the Templars as utterly incompetent -- only one of them ever bothered investigating the murders, and his concerns are dismissed by Meredith, who later has the gall to [[NeverMyFault brandish it as a trump card]] should Hawke speak out against her. To make matters even worse, when said Templar investigator ends up murdered as he gets too close to the truth, the other Templars are by all appearances unable to come to the blatantly obvious conclusion that his death is connected to the murders he was investigating on their own, judging from how they react with bafflement when Hawke points it out to them. |
| 226 | ** After Meredith invokes the Right of Annulment, the player is clearly meant to see this as a horrible thing, as the Templars immediately start slaughtering the mages who had no hand in the Chantry's destruction... but in the next moment the town gets absolutely ''swarmed'' by demons and abominations. There is even a scene where three Templars are ganging up on one mage who insists she is innocent, only to turn into an abomination the very next second. Instead of portraying the mages as victims, this has much more of the opposite effect. As noted on the main page, the only Circle mage we know for certain is ''not'' a blood mage by the end of the game is Bethany, if that's where she is, and it's likely that there are others. Some players can be mollified on this point when they take the time to read the "Enigma of Kirkwall" codex entries, which hint to why Kirkwall seems to be such a hotbed of demons and blood magic. |
| 227 | ** The Arishok and the Qunari by extension are supposed to be seen as villains with legitimate points about the flaws of the city and how the Qun brings more stability. The game wants you to think that maybe they have a good point, that life under the Qun would be better, and that the Arishok is an overall complicated character. For many, though, it's hard to feel this way when the game shows the major flaws of the Qun: |
| 228 | *** One of the primary flaws shown is the rigid caste system, which forbids followers of the Qun from acting outside of their assigned roles. In all the time they're in the city, they never explain to anyone (except Hawke, vaguely) that they cannot leave until they find an important book. The reason they don't explain this is because all of the Qunari in Kirkwall are warriors, who are unable to negotiate or behave as diplomats because that is not their role. As a result, the inherent flaws of the Qun become incredibly obvious and hard to ignore despite the game not once addressing it, meaning its attempts to paint the Arishok as a complex antagonist fall flat because of how horribly flawed the Qun is. |
| 229 | *** The ''Mark of the Assassin'' DLC feels like an attempt to do better at showing the validity of the Qun, with Tallis being something of a more approachable and sympathetic figure. But again, the effort falls flat because Tallis is not much more forthcoming than the Arishok himself. She deceives Hawke, spouts nonsensical metaphors, steals right under Hawke's nose, and only narrowly avoids getting Hawke and the other two companions killed by Duke Prosper. Not only does she insist on the rightness of her cause without much justification, but the game paints her as being correct because [[ButThouMust no matter what choices Hawke makes]], Tallis gets exactly what she wants. |
| 230 | ** Aveline is supposed to be a likable, moral woman trying to do in her best to bring order and safety to a corrupt city, and who's sometimes in a tough spot between law and order vs justice and friendship. However, sometimes her actions don't line up with this. For example, when she acts like [[spoiler:two elves who murdered a guardsman for raping their sister are somehow huge villains and the Qunari sheltering them is the worst thing ever, despite the brothers pointing out that they tried to report the incident through the proper channels, yet got turned away due to the Guard deciding to close ranks rather than investigate one of their own, which Aveline [[NonAnswer doesn't deny]] before condemning the ''elven brothers'' for their actions]]. Or during the quest "Prime Suspect", about Emeric's investigations, Aveline will ask Hawke to keep him quiet because he's "embarrassing" the city guard by pursuing the disappearances, which makes it seem like she cares more about her organization's reputation than the missing women. She's also shown to put her guards' safety over civilians in other cases, such as keeping her patrols away from particularly dangerous alleyways, which begs the question of how safe she thinks those same alleyways are for regular civilians, and what the guards are even for if not to protect civilians? Some also take issue with her blocking Carver's effort to join the City Guard; there are those who see her as making the right call, while others accuse her of being a HolierThanThou {{Hypocrite}} since they served in the same Ferelden Army and arrived on the same refugee boat (and she later shielded a guard accused of much worse) -- not to mention [[UngratefulBastard ingratitude]] since she wouldn't have gotten into the city ''at all'' without him and his family. Her VitriolicBestBuds dynamic with Isabela can also sometimes go too far -- it's clearly meant to be the funny kind of mean and Isabela always gives as good as she gets, but sometimes there's just too much SlutShaming and it crosses the line into just regular mean, which can be tough to hear. |
| 231 | * ViewerNameConfusion: The guard-captain is Aveline, not Avaline. The pirate's name is Isabela, with one L. Merrill, on the other hand, has two [=Ls=] and two [=Rs=]. Varric has two [=Rs=], and there is no K in his name anywhere. All of these are frequently misspelled, both in fanfic and sometimes on This Very Wiki. |
| 232 | * VindicatedByHistory: Pretty significantly as time goes on, for a variety of reasons: |
| 233 | ** The biggest one, by far, is this game's ambitious plot, particularly in light of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition.'' While most people agree the execution isn't perfect, the fact that ''Inquisition'' felt less unique of a story due to the plot being a ClicheStorm at points has generated a great deal of praise for how unique this game is (shrinking the scale to a single city with a fairly morally grey and complex Mage vs. Templar issue). In particular, it helps that this game has more interesting and complex antagonists in the form of [[spoiler: [[WellIntentionedExtremist Anders]]]] and [[KnightTemplar Knight-Commander Meredith]]. |
| 234 | ** The fact that the romantic options are open to everyone, regardless of the gender the player choose for Hawke. This got criticized at the time of release due to being "unrealistic" that [[EveryoneIsBi all the potential romance options were bi]]. Later games released by Bioware imposed limitations almost in response, and this led to an outcry from both sides of the player base on specific characters not being a romance option for them, and praising ''II'' for ironically being the most inclusive on that front. |
| 235 | ** Hawke themselves got lambasted for seemingly being a FailureHero and not as successful of a follow-up to The Warden and Commander Shepard. Over time, many warmed up to Hawke's story as being far more dynamic than the Inquisitor's, and found the personality-driven dialogue choices for Hawke to be a vast improvement of the morality system from ''Mass Effect.'' |
| 236 | ** The trope also applies with the Friendship/Rivalry approval system. While some players note that the system could use some tweaks and improvements, many do laud it still for the concept of allowing them to have their character disagree or AgreeToDisagree with their companions and still gain benefits from it. |
| 237 | * SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: |
| 238 | ** When Aveline's husband Wesley is dying from the darkspawn taint, [[NightmareFuel his face slowly becomes more and more gaunt, pale and his eyes begin to sink into his head.]] Also, the veins in his neck and face become dark and pronounced as the taint spreads through his body. |
| 239 | ** Also noticeable to tragic degree on Bethany if you take her to the Deep Roads; it makes you wonder why no one realized she was tainted sooner. Oddly enough, the visual effects of the taint aren't present on Carver if he becomes infected. |
| 240 | ** Any fire you see is very nicely done, particularly considering how hard it is to make CGI fire look good. |
| 241 | ** Electricity also looks very good, especially when used in conjunction with Elemental Weapons, a mage talent that channels the elemental power of their staff to all the weapons of all party members. Seeing everyone's weapons coated in pure lightning while sparks fly all over the battlefield is a sight to behold, especially during nighttime battles. |
| 242 | ** The eyes are just gorgeous, especially compared to the dull ones of ''Origins.'' |
| 243 | * {{Wangst}}: |
| 244 | ** Almost every conversation and banter involving Anders, as well as all of his quests, revolve around the plight of mages. Though it comes from an understandable place, the degree of championing changes as the series goes on; he browbeats everyone in the beginning, and gets progressively angrier and more introverted as it continues. |
| 245 | --->'''Anders''': That's unfortunate. Hating someone just because they're a mage is a shameful thing.\ |
| 246 | '''Carver''': I don't hate you because you're a mage. I hate you because you won't ''shut up'' about it. |
| 247 | ** Similarly, Fenris can't seem to go longer than half of a conversation without mentioning slavery/evil mages/Tevinter. Not that it isn't somewhat justified, given [[DarkAndTroubledPast his background]], but some of his lines about it go a bit over the top. |
| 248 | --->'''Fenris''': I escaped a land of dark magic only to have it haunt me at every turn. It is a plague burned into my flesh and my soul.\ |
| 249 | '''Aggressive Hawke''': ''(on a separate occasion)'' Yes, yes, magisters are bad. We GET it! |
| 250 | ** In-universe, this is the main reason that Carver isn't overly popular in the party, as he comes off as rather whiny for reasons that are much more small-scale and even downright petty compared to the rest of the group and their problems. He mostly gets over it later in the game, though, especially if he [[spoiler:becomes a Grey Warden]]. |
| 251 | * TheWoobie: It's almost easier to list those who ''aren't'' Woobies. |
| 252 | ** Hawke themselves may be the crowner. Just try going through the game without wanting to give them a hug at some point. [[spoiler: The best case scenario involves one sibling dead, their mother dead, themselves vanishing from their new home at Kirkwall, and their other sibling as well as all their companions (save their love interest) driven from their side. The ''best case scenario.'']] |
| 253 | ** Carver. [[spoiler: The brother of a dead apostate sister has quite a chip on his shoulder having to protect his surviving apostate sibling, while proving that, as the only warrior in the family, he isn't a burden. He's grieving the loss of his twin, but he doesn't really have any outlet to express it, nor does anyone ever seem to ask him how he's feeling. He's either forced into being a Warden and hates how he was always bailed out by his apostate sibling, or he joins the Templars and expresses how badly he wants to kill his only living connection left to prove something.]] Regardless of his choice, Carver just feels like he has no control over his own life. |
| 254 | ** Bethany. For one, she's an apostate, so her entire childhood was spent constantly on the lookout for Templars. Then [[spoiler: either she or her twin brother dies at the hands of an ogre. If she survives, and is taken to the Deep Roads, she's infected by the taint. Unless Anders is there, she dies. If he ''is'' there, then she undergoes the Joining. It's a harsh life and totally destroys any innocence she has left. But if you leave her with Leandra, she's discovered by Cullen and is forced into the Circle, because otherwise her family will suffer reprisals for harboring an apostate. Either way, you never have her in your party again until the endgame (unless you have the DLC and bring her along). It gets a little better if you're pro-Mage and she joins the Circle; you get to free her from her bondage to the Circle, she isn't guaranteed a miserable life and a miserable death before she hits fifty, and the end of the ''Trespasser'' DLC in the next game implies that she finally gets a BelatedHappyEnding.]] |
| 255 | *** She also clearly feels a great deal of guilt over the fact that her family spent most of their lives moving around Ferelden to protect her from the Templars. She feels like a burden and wonders aloud to Hawke if it wouldn't have been better for everyone if she had gone to the Circle long ago. |
| 256 | ** Leandra Hawke. She's a grieving widow to start, and then one of her children gets killed in the beginning of the game. Later, she learns that her brother [[spoiler: stole her inheritance. Another of her children either dies or must spend the rest of their life in the Circle of Magi, the Templars, or the Grey Wardens. To top it all off, she's kidnapped by Quentin and put through an AndIMustScream moment before she dies]]. |
| 257 | ** Even Gamlen has some Woobie qualities. Though he's to blame for gambling the family fortune away, you have to feel bad for him when you hear about how he nursed his ill parents in their dying days, only to have their last words be of Leandra, and then he learned that they left all their money to her. He resents his sister due to this for quite a while (as a mirror to Carver/Hawke), before becoming utterly distraught and miserable when [[spoiler: she's murdered]]. The one high point of his story is that you can [[spoiler: unite him with a daughter he never knew he had.]] |
| 258 | ** The orphans under Evelina's care. First, they have to flee to Kirkwall's slums to eke out a living after their parents are killed in the Blight. Then they have to watch their surrogate mother be taken away by the Templars when she tries to appeal to the Circle for help. When she returns years later, she's become an insane abomination. Finally, they have to watch helplessly as Hawke and company slay her, leaving them alone to an uncertain future. And the only thing the player can do to help them at all is have Hawke give a few coins to Walter, the older boy, so he can feed the orphans. [[note]]Doing so leads to a better end for the kids, though. Hawke later receives a letter from Walter; he thanks Hawke for introducing him to Bodahn, who helped him get a good job, and says that he's been finding people to adopt the younger orphans. It's one of the rare instances in which Hawke can actually help people and ''not'' have it come back to bite them in the ass somehow.[[/note]] |
| 259 | ** All of the companions are also Woobies, in their own way: |
| 260 | *** Anders went from being the snarky comic relief in ''Awakening'' to a paranoid and angsty revolutionary. Life has not been good to him. His rudeness to various people, particularly Merrill, gradually edges him towards JerkassWoobie before [[spoiler: diving straight into WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds with his little [[EarthShatteringKaboom stunt]] at the Chantry]]. |
| 261 | *** Justice too - he started out as a fairly [[KnightInShiningArmour benevolent spirit]] whose worst fear was to become a demon. In ''Awakening'', he's friendly and in awe of everything in the world. In ''Dragon Age II,'' his personality is warped even further than that of Anders, and gets [[JerkassWoobie progressively worse]] during the game as he becomes the very thing he feared the most. |
| 262 | *** Merrill. When you consider how the Dalish treat their entire clan like family, the way they ostracize her seems exceedingly harsh. Her reaction to [[spoiler: Pol's death]] is heart-wrenching, and her next personal quest includes a PlayerPunch. Fenris and Anders also say some ''incredibly'' cruel things to her from time to time. |
| 263 | *** Fenris is either this or a JerkassWoobie. Even when he's romanced, he finds that he isn't ready for a relationship after [[spoiler: he has sex with Hawke and momentarily remembers everything about his past life, before losing the memories again]]. He can even tell Hawke at this point that it's a more upsetting event than it probably appears from the outside, and no matter how much it pains him to do it, he ''has'' to leave, and he feels foolish for thinking that he could have this shot of happiness with Hawke. [[spoiler: Staying loyal to him and getting back together with him has him reveal that if he could go back to that night, he would have stayed, and that he absolutely regrets the break-up.]] |
| 264 | *** Aveline's main source of Woobieness is that her husband dies in the prologue (with either her or Hawke dealing the killing blow), but she's also clearly scarred from the events in Ostagar, and in Act 3 has to deal with [[spoiler: Jeven trying to spread insubordination among her guardsmen]]. |
| 265 | *** Sebastian's backstory is that his whole family was killed off by assassins ([[spoiler:sent by one of his mother's best friends, no less]]). He spends Acts 2 and 3 trying to work through his grief and come to terms with how he wants to handle the political situation left in Starkhaven. Then, in the game's finale, [[spoiler: his mother figure, Elthina, is blown up by Anders - and as Sebastian's own dialogue points out, he narrowly escaped sharing her fate.]] |
| 266 | *** Isabela's backstory reveals [[spoiler: that she was sold by her mother in exchange for a goat, and lived as her husband's property until Zevran killed him. Since then she's lived a pretty rough life as a pirate, and even notes when Merrill is feeling jealous of the 'excitement' that she shouldn't want Isabela's life, because she's a 'good person and deserves better'. If Isabela returns during the fight with the Qunari in Act 2, Hawke can also hand her over to the Arishok so that she can be taken back with them for punishment]]. |
| 267 | *** Lastly there's Varric, who's had to put up with Bartrand's {{Jerkass}}ery for a ''long'' time, is [[spoiler: betrayed by him in the Deep Roads, and then either has to kill Bartrand or spend the rest of his days looking after him now that his brother's completely insane]]. Depending on the fate of Hawke's surviving sibling, he may also be nursing a permanent case of ItsAllMyFault. And he's the only one left in Kirkwall to explain what ''really'' happened. |
| 268 | * WoobieFamily: The Hawkes. Malcolm Hawke spent his life on the run as an apostate mage; his wife Leandra was disowned by her noble family for eloping with him; then he died shortly before the Fifth Blight destroyed everything he left to her and their three children. One of said children was then killed by the darkspawn in front of their mother and siblings; another ([[StoryBranching potentially]]) died from [[ThePlague the Taint]]; their mother [[spoiler:was turned into a zombie by a deranged mage and had to be put down by her eldest child]]; and the eldest child became the world's premier CosmicPlaything, when their attempts to take care of their dysfunctional friends and family bring about several cataclysmic events that shake Thedas to the core. |
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