Line #6 YMMV/BloodPlus


1	* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is David a WellIntentionedExtremist who only [[ShootTheDog shoots the dog]] for the sake of humanity? Or is he an unrepentant KnightTemplar [[FantasticRacism fantastic racist]] who only kills Chiropterans for the sake of {{revenge}}?
2	* ArcFatigue: The Schiff and how relevant they are to the main plot. Some fans felt that their presence as artificial Chiropterans took away what made Saya [[spoiler:and Diva]] and the chevaliers special, as well as digressing the spotlight from them. The manga adaptation [[AdaptedOut adapts them out]].
3	* BrokenBase: [[spoiler:Diva's rape of Riku]]. Some fans disliked this; others said that this was when the show started really picking up.
4	* CompleteMonster:
5	** Original series: [[EvilutionaryBiologist Amshel Goldsmith]] is a researcher obsessed with [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Chiropterans]], TheManInFrontOfTheMan to Diva, and responsible for all the chaos in the setting. Since her birth, Amshel [[TheChessmaster twisted Diva]] to become a PsychopathicWomanchild easy for him to control, while he used her resulting appetite for death and destruction to [[{{Greed}} profit and increase his own power]] at the expense of her victims. Living for hundreds of years, Amshel now has the public persona of the [[CorruptCorporateExecutive CEO]] of pharmaceutical company Cinque Flèches, and uses his wealth to create a group of artificial Chiropterans known as The Schiff, raising them as ChildSoldiers and treating them like equipment, as shown by his indifference to their deaths when they escape his clutches and their shortened lifespans begin to expire. A man with loyalty to none, Amshel even kills his own brother, Solomon, for falling in love with Saya. His false loyalty to Diva is an obvious ruse which even she can see through but chooses to go along with out of loneliness, and when she's killed, Amshel reacts with only irritation and [[WouldHurtAChild demands to be given her children so he can continue his insane experiments.]]
6	** Manga adaptation, by Asuka Katsura:
7	*** [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Amshel Goldsmith]] is no less vile in this abridged retelling of the anime. Back in the 19th century, Amshel devoted himself to Diva by becoming her Chevalier, [[ManipulativeBastard manipulating her sister Saya]] into releasing her and having her slaughter an entire banquet to his delight. Securing Diva for his own selfish needs, Amshel spent the centuries concocting schemes to fulfill Diva's dream of a world infested with Chiropeans, establishing the pharmaceutical company Cinq Fleches to [[PlayingWithSyringes conduct countless human experiments]] and massacres to achieve said dream. Seeking to have Diva mate with the Chevalier Riku, Amshel organizes an attack on a Red Shield ship to slaughter everybody onboard. With his care for Diva nothing more than possessive obsession, Amshel uses the Red Shield attack to reveal his secret project, the Corpse Corps, [[ChildSoldiers child Chiropean soldiers]] created for the sole purpose of wiping out all of Diva's Chevaliers so that only he can rule beside her. Spreading the Chiropean virus with his [=D67=] drugs, Amshel organizes an opera performance by Diva to be broadcasted worldwide, with her singing activating the drugs' effects and creating a massive Chiropean infestation.
8	*** [[MadScientist Solomon Goldsmith]], [[AdaptationalVillainy lacking the redeeming qualities of his anime version]], is a sadistically gleeful scientist and Amshel's brother who assists him in his plans. A Chevalier of Diva's who [[ForScience indulges in his scientific curiosities]] as a way to encourage him to continue living, Solomon oversees numerous human experiments and Chiropteran massacres, even having an entire village turned to test out Saya's capabilities. Assisting Amshel in his plan to claim Riku as Diva's "bridegroom" to see if a Chiropteran can give birth, when Diva goes against his wishes, Solomon bails on his brother's plans. Obsessed with making Saya his bride, Solomon feigns a change of heart to get Saya and Red Shield to help him kill Amshel, even hoping to use Diva to continue his experiments.
9	* CryForTheDevil:
10	** [[spoiler:Diva. As Nathan puts it when she dies: "Poor girl...she just wanted to have a family..."]]
11	** [[spoiler:Karl in spades. He's insane, but it's been made clear he wasn't always this way. Over a century of abuse drove him mad and only Solomon has treated him like a brother. His death is something more of a MercyKill.]]
12	* DracoInLeatherPants: Diva, holy shit Diva. Both fanboys ''and'' fangirls give her far more sympathy than she deserves, given that while she has a genuinely good FreudianExcuse, she is also incredibly ruthless and often needlesly cruel-- [[spoiler:not to mention a rapist/murderess who never shows any regret for raping and killing Riku.]] This is sometimes paired with them [[RonTheDeathEater villainizing and bashing Saya]], and more frequently with trying to excuse away Diva's evil deeds due to her DarkAndTroubledPast.
13	* FandomRivalry: With ''Anime/BloodC'' fans who regarded Saya Otonashi as weak and dependable to Haji and usually gets her ass kicked. Likewise, ''Blood +'' fans regarded Saya Kisaragi as annoying and useless in saving lives and declared ''Blood-C'' as the worst in the franchise. It also has a rivalry with fans of the [[Anime/BloodTheLastVampire original OVA]], who look down at both series as cheap knockoffs.
14	* GeniusBonus: The term "Chiropteran" is actually one of the actual names of bats, animals that are most closely associated with vampires.
15	* GrowingTheBeard: When Saya grows her hair out. Possibly not the most accurate timing as that is subjective but things did seem to get more interesting around the time she was reintroduced with her hairstyle changed.
16	* MagnificentBastard: [[AgentPeacock Nathan Mahler]] is one of Diva's Chevaliers and [[NotSoHarmlessVillain far more]] than the silly, foppish man he appears to be. Implied to have been the Chevalier of Saya and Diva's mother, Nathan steadily plays both sides between Diva's forces and Red Shield against one another, protecting Diva during her pregnancy while making sure she faces Saya and that her children will survive. Arranging his own seeming death at Saya's hands, only to slip away completely unharmed, Nathan secures the deaths of any who might harm Diva's children while entrusting them to Saya, his strings so subtle that most are completely unaware they even exist.
17	* MoralEventHorizon:
18	** Diva crosses it when she [[spoiler:rapes Riku so that she can bear his child, and then kills him]].
19	** Van Argiano [[spoiler: and the American government cross it when they plan to turn people around the world into Chiropterans and then choosing who to send TheCavalry to, effectively control the world]].
20	** James Ironside crosses it when he [[spoiler: tricks Moses into hunting down Kai with the false promise that he can cure him and his friends of the Thorn]].
21	* {{Narm}}:
22	** A lot of the rather loopy moments Carl has make it hard to take him seriously when we should, since he's a psychopath.
23	** The scene in Episode 7, "I Must Do It", where Saya has removed her shoes because they've filled up with rain. Either it's a nice touch as it makes her look more hardcore doing her sword practice barefooted and the sloshing water reflected by the sunset is gorgeous to look at, or it's just silly that her tennis shoes have turned into a pair of birdbaths and she hasn't emptied them.
24	** Speaking of shoes, Diva making a huge fuss about lacing up brand new sneakers that are perfect to go into action with as opposed to dress heels, only to strip off her dress and leave ''only'' the sneakers on just as she's about to [[spoiler:rape Riku to death]].
25	** The very fact a major political character is casually named ''Bread''.
26	* NoYay:
27	** Diva/Riku. First, although Diva looks sixteen, she is really over 150 years old, while Riku is only fourteen and looks even younger. Second, Diva's obsession with Riku is just plain creepy. Third, there is the fact that [[spoiler:she rapes and kills him]]. Somewhat downplayed in the manga, as not only [[spoiler:she rejects and doesn't kill him]], but it's implied they became [[spoiler:good friends before the TimeSkip, causing him to become her honorary protector.]]
28	** Saya/Young Hagi. In the flashback, she innocently tells him to help dress her, and, later, he says he'll even be her "friend" at night if that's what she wants. Keep in mind that he is only twelve at the time, while she looks sixteen and is really in her forties. Not so much of a problem once he gets older, though.
29	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Riku. A lot of people feel about this way towards the kid, as [[spoiler:his ability to hear Diva and the Chiropterans pre-transformation is left unexplained and his time as a Chevalier is unfortunately cut short thanks to Diva]]. In fact, [[spoiler:his death]] is still considered the most hated point of the plot, as it came out of nowhere without any build up and those who loved the anime wished the kid [[spoiler:would've sticked longer until the end]]. The manga does rectify this, but only during the last volume, leaving some of his potential still untapped.
30	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The series kept teasing the idea of Kai getting turned into Diva's Chevalier but ultimately does nothing with it despite the dramatic potential of Kai getting torn between his love for Saya and instinctual loyalty to Diva. It's likely the writers decided to drop the idea when Solomon wound up taking the role of Diva's rogue Chevalier in love with Saya.
31	* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The anime version of Diva is supposed to be a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds who turned evil [[FemalesAreMoreInnocent after being twisted by the evil men in her life]], and is genuinely sympathetic for most of the story... [[MoralEventHorizon until]] she [[spoiler:[[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil rapes and kills Riku]], a [[WouldHurtAChild 13-year old]] boy]]. The show still tries to give her an AlasPoorVillain moment as Saya cries for her [[spoiler:after killing her]], but by that point a good chunk of viewers lost any ability to feel sympathy for her. Notably, the manga writer seemed to agree, as the manga heavily rewrites Diva to make her more genuinely sympathetic, and in particular ''removes this action entirely''.
32	* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids:
33	** While it's generally considered for adults in the Western hemisphere, it's worth noting that the show aired at 6pm in Japan when it was first released. Yes, around the same time as family-friendly shows such as "Manga/SazaeSan". Did we also mention that this show is filled with tons of gore, rape, and even opens up with a scene featuring innocent men, women, and children being slaughtered with blood spewing everywhere? What on earth were the networks thinking???
34	** The manga. Despite being very different from the anime, the gore factor has been amped UpToEleven, making the anime tame in terms of violence in comparison. And it was published ''in a shonen magazine''.
35	* TheWoobie: All three Miyagusuku siblings qualify as this, especially after the death of George.
36	** Saya has been around for over a century and realizes she's the one responsible for her sister's release and as a result, everything that's happening. Over the course of the years, she's had to deal with all the blood on her hands, lost her father, and [[spoiler:loses her younger brother, not gaining much from avenging his killer. After everything's been said and done, she needs to go through 3 decades of slumber.]]
37	** Riku is a sweet boy, being his siblings' MoralityPet. Then he loses his father, breaking him. He loses his new friend Mui, [[spoiler:has to be revived after he finds Diva, mistaking her for his sister, only to die again after being horrifically raped, despite everyone doing everything to keep him safe. And he was only 14.]]
38	** Kai is broken over his father's death, gets separated from his sister for a bit, sees her going insane, [[spoiler:finds that his brother needs an EmergencyTransformation, loses a friend, and not long after, loses Riku. While this helps him grow, he's separated from his sister for a while and finds she's become incredibly cynical. After, he finds out his brother's killer is taking his form. While he's the only one active from start to end, it's clear he's been through a lot.]]

Context YMMV / BloodPlus