Line #66 YMMV/AvengersArena


1	* AccidentalInnuendo:
2	** Reptil attempts to do a GetAHoldOfYourselfMan to shake Hazmat out of her HeroicBSOD in issue #11. The only problem is [[http://imgur.com/8Jhn6kE it looks like]] [[AttemptedRape he's attempting something else]].
3	** [[spoiler: "My boyfriend exploded all over me!"]]
4	* AudienceAlienatingPremise: Young teens, many of whom are fan favorites being brutally killed off by a C-list villain? Yeah, that'll piss quite a few folks off.
5	* Sugarwiki/AwesomeArt:
6	** Kev Walker's work drew many people to the series. His long absence from the book (about 3 issues) only allowed the effectiveness of #12's battle scenes to be enhanced.
7	** The covers, [[CoversAlwaysLie while not always accurate]], get high marks for their beauty and effective homages.
8	* BaseBreakingCharacter:
9	** Juston was a base breaker in Academy and that has carried over to this series. The reason: The Sentinel. Many fans view it as a weapon of mutant genocide, despite the advances and developments it's made beyond that. On the other hand fans of Juston's short lived Sentinel series are NOT happy at all with how the character was treated. [[spoiler: Specifically Juston getting put through a massive TraumaCongaLine only to be killed off the next issue.]]
10	** Apex, either you love her because of her ruthlessness or hate her for it.
11	* ContestedSequel: The evidence for that is all over this page and the others... just check the wicks!
12	* CriticalDissonance: The overall fanbase seemed split on the title, but it was generally better received by critics and the comics industry. Dennis Hopeless won the 2013 Harvey Award for Most Promising New Talent for the title, which launched his Marvel writing career.
13	* DracoInLeatherPants: Some fans love Apex despite her [[spoiler: murderous]] actions, and utter lack of remorse for them.
14	* EnsembleDarkhorse: Deathlocket was loved from her first POV issue. Cullen Bloodstone (ComicBook/{{Nextwave}} connection) and Anachronism (Axbro) are liked as well, even with little page space. Apex also emerged as a favorite, which is pretty ''disturbing.''
15	* FanDislikedExplanation: Hopeless repeatedly emphasized X-23's tactical nature in early issues of the series, and fans immediately complained when this was disregarded by having her ignore strategy in favor of a direct attack on Apex while the latter was controlling a Sentinel. He responded in the letter pages of the next issue by arguing Laura decided she didn't have time for a better plan and had to act quickly. Fans didn't buy it.
16	* FandomRivalry: An interesting example as, technically speaking, ''Arena'' is a sequel to ''Runaways'' and ''Avengers Academy'', but ''Runaways'' fans and ''Academy'' fans for the most part do not like ''Arena'' fans, usually citing how they don't care about complex characters being [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter killed off for cheap shock value]]. Whereas a lot of ''Arena'' fans didn't read the previous books and feel that's it a good story and just want to enjoy it without fretting over continuity.
17	** Fans of Arena tend to accuse Creator/BoomStudios series ''Deathmatch'' of being a rip-off, despite the fact it was announced so quickly after Arena and Paul Jenkins said he did ''Deathmatch'' for Boom because he never thought Marvel or DC would let him.
18	* FanonDiscontinuity: A lot of ''Runaways'' and ''Avengers Academy'' fans like to pretend this series never happened.
19	* SugarWiki/{{Funny Moment\|s}}: As grim as it is, the series offers at least ''one'' big laugh: In #10, Chase [[spoiler: transforms into Darkhawk to take on Apex when he overhears her plans to use the Sentinel and Deathlocket to kill the others. As he psychs himself up for the fight with a RousingSpeech, X-23 runs by]]...
20	--> '''Chase:''' Darkhawk is--\
21	'''X-23:''' ''(Runs past, not even breaking stride as she yells at Chase)'' Stay!\
22	'''Chase:''' --staying put!
23	* HarsherInHindsight:
24	** Mettle and Hazmat's relationship (namely, [[spoiler:Mettle's death in #1, and Hazmat subsequently falling into a grief-filled depression/rage afterwards]]) is more tragic as it's revealed that Hazmat's parents strongly disapproved of Hazmat seeing Mettle.
25	** The kids were picked by Arcade because not many people would notice or care about their disappearances; and he could come up with plausible excuses as to why they would disappear and only communicate through texting/social media [[spoiler: and if need be, be replaced by an android.]] Now consider the amount of derision Marvel and Dennis Hopeless got for considering these kids to be expendable enough to be killed off for drama...
26	** [[spoiler: Juston's]] death is a lot more tragic if you read [[spoiler:the Avengers Academy arc during ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'' where his father begs him to come home since he doesn't have any powers and could get hurt. If that wasn't terrible enough, the only reason why he attended the academy was to keep his friend Sentinel, and now both are dead.]]
27	* IAmNotShazam: The island that the kids are in? It's not called "Avengers Arena." It's Murderworld. Not to mention there's only 5 Avengers-affiliated characters in the entire story.
28	* ItWasHisSled: Due to the controversial nature of the comic, pretty much every major death or plot twist was plastered all over the internet. [[spoiler:Mettle's death]] in particular got spoiled to hell and back, which really wasn't helped by the fact that it happens within the first issue.
29	* MemeticMutation:
30	** Axbro as a name for Anachronism. As of #8, it's an AscendedMeme. As has [[spoiler:Chasehawk]].
31	** "Being Death Locket is suffering."
32	** "I've always been a hater" usually proclaimed as or about negative criticism.
33	** Photoshopping an empty Arena life bar into various death scenes, primarily to illustrate its drama reducing effect.
34	** "[[Anime/CasshernSins Kill Hopeless. Devour Hopeless.]]"
35	* {{Misblamed}}: Dennis Hopeless was the resident punching bag for virtually every problem in the series. Even though he was the ''writer'' for the series, he's blamed for ''artist's'' decisions - and the story wasn't even his initial idea, to boot. This extends to everything he's written since, as all the criticism and fears over characters dying carries over to every book Dennis Hopeless wrote since:
36	-->''"Okay look, there’s no reason to assume I’m going to kill a bunch of characters in every book I write. Avengers Arena was a teenage death match story. People die in those. When I finally decide to write my 200-issue down-on-their-luck high school baseball players epic, chances are good the whole cast will survive till the end. I promise I’m not some sort of blood-hungry sadist who gets his jollies murdering teenagers."''
37	* MoralEventHorizon: Arcade got the ball rolling on this one.
38	** [[spoiler: If she hadn't crossed it before the series ever began, Apex snapping Juston Seyfert's neck to steal his mech certainly crosses it. Particularly considering he had no way of stopping her from taking it while he was alive.]]
39	* {{Moe}}: Deathlocket seems to be made for this, with her design, tragic backstory, and innocent behavior in the game.
40	* {{Narm}}: [[spoiler: "My boyfriend exploded all over me!" This one fails because of the AccidentalInnuendo which turns a line where Hazmat (again) screams out from her heart into something laughable.]]
41	** The life bars that are shown during fights and death scenes. They make the character deaths look like a game-over screen from a lame video game.
42	* NeverTrustATrailer: The comic-book version. Marvel hyped the series up as a "deathmatch" book. The kids ''are'' pit against each other, but the main draw of the series is the CharacterFocus.
43	* RootingForTheEmpire: Several fans rooted for Apex to win, or at least survive. Which is impressive seeing she is all too willing to play Arcade's game.
44	* TheScrappy: This comic basically turned Arcade into one of Marvel Universe's biggest Scrappies, especially amongst ''Runaways'', ''Avengers Academy'', and ''Darkhawk'' fans since he's the cause of any characters getting a [[DroppedABridgeOnHim bridge dropped on them]].
45	* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The reaction of many of the detractors to any sort of character development or continuity change of the non-original characters.
46	* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: A common phrase used to dismiss the series is simply "It's a rip off of ''Battle Royale'' / ''The Hunger Games''."
47	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
48	** Another fear the series fosters, as characters killed in the series may never be revived again. More to the point, the character of Red Raven who was brought out of obscurity [[spoiler: only to be killed unceremoniously in the second issue, no lines spoken. Dennis Hopeless said he hoped to give her a focus issue, but there wasn't enough time allotted for it.]]
49	** Darkhawk's treatment is especially bad in this series. Hopeless apparently wanted him because he was a former teen hero, but absolutely nothing about Darkhawk's past as one is relevant to the story. Instead [[spoiler:he's taken out in issue #3 so his armor can be passed on to Chase.]]
50	* TooBleakStoppedCaring: One of the many complaints the series has garnered falls along these lines, at first due to the premise, later to how death was handled.
51	* TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler:Mettle.]]
52	* ToughActToFollow: ''Avengers Arena'' is a direct follow-up to ''Comicbook/AvengersAcademy'', and uses five of those characters in the main cast. It also pulls characters from ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' and ''Sentinel'' and ''ComicBook/{{Annihilation}}'' cosmic event, series with much critical acclaim and all with their own fanbases who look at ''Arena'' as being a disappointing follow up.
53	* VocalMinority: There was initial outrage at the book's announcement but according to Hopeless, [[http://www.multiversitycomics.com/interviews/growing-up-isnt-easy-in-dennis-hopeless-avengers-arena-interview/ most of that eventually quelled and the reception became more positive than negative as the months went by]].

Context YMMV / AvengersArena