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7	[[WellIntentionedExtremist Well-Intentioned Extremists]] in TabletopGames.
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10	* ''TabletopGame/CardfightVanguard'': After a lifetime of seeing its corruption first hand as one of its knights, Youthberk now seeks to tear down the classist dictatorship he once served, Keter Sanctuary. He quickly establishes himself as a folk hero and wherever he appears, the cheers of the downtrodden masses soon follow. However, his lore mentions he's targeting the Cloud Knights in particular. The Cloud Knights are lead by Bastion, who is one of the few knights in the Keter Sanctuary military who gives a damn about the common people. He's also willing to let the World Tree that supplies the whole country with clean water die when he's told that he's the only one who can save it, because doing so would mean having to work with Bastion and putting the revolution at risk.
11	* ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'':
12	** The Walker of the Waste prestige class ''Sandstorm'' seek to dry out the world. but only to make it a safe place for the people of the wastes, who are so adversely effected by water that some can drown in the rain.
13	** ''TabletopGame/{{Eberron}}'':
14	*** The Ashbound druid sect believe in [[NatureHero the Power of Nature]]. Well, they are druids after all. The "extremist" part kicks in when you consider that they believe that the best way to protect nature is to ''ban all arcane magic, burn down all the cities, and go back to living in mud huts''. They can be any alignment (well, any of the Neutral variants at least, being mainly Druids and all), so they feature both the genuinely well-intentioned [[invoked]] NeutralGood ecoterrorists and the rather less pleasant NeutralEvil ones who just like watching cities burn.
15	*** Another of the five druidic sects, the Children of Winter, are dedicated to wiping out civilisation as part of their belief in SocialDarwinism. They believe that people can only survive if the weak are winnowed out and the Mourning represents the approaching "Winter" of the world itself. As a result, they unleash famines, plagues, pestilence and all other sorts of natural disasters in the name of "the greater good".
16	*** Queen Aurala also fits this. Well Intentioned? Really devoted to her people and wants to help the whole world. Extremist? She will consider every possibility to make her dream possible, including war.
17	*** Some Dragon Below cults believe they're serving a greater good - the Vigilant Eye think the [[EyesDoNotBelongThere eyes they just sprouted on their left palms]] let them see hidden demons among the populace, for example (and considering [[AncientConspiracy the Lords of Dust]] they may not actually be wrong), which tends to lead to a bunch of vigilante murders.
18	** ''TabletopGame/{{Planescape}}'':
19	*** Most members of the anarchic Revolutionary League are viewed this way, at least by non-members. (And this is considered one of the mainstream Factions in the setting.)
20	*** The setting also mentions a rather odd group like this called the Opposers. Their goal is to oppose ''every'' political, moral, ethical, and philosophical idea except their own, and they believe this will actually help people. Why? Well, they think that an idea can only succeed and its supporters can only become strong if they have to ''fight'' to support it. In other words, opposition makes you strong. As you might expect, this group doesn't have many friends or allies (nor do they want any -- they ''want'' people to oppose them too). PlayerCharacters can actually join this group if they want to; the only requirement (other than holding to its controversial philosophy of opposing everything) is actually one that makes sense: you must be True Neutral in alignment. (Being Good, Evil, Lawful, or Chaotic obviously defeats the purpose.)
21	* ''TabletopGame/EclipsePhase'': Firewall. Ten years ago, [[TheSingularity the]] [[RobotWar Fall]] left Earth a wasteland inhabited by killer robots, nanoswarms, and borderline {{Eldritch Abomination}}s, and the total population of the off-world colonies that survived are less than a billion. Firewall is an inter-faction conspiracy dedicated to preventing the extinction of what's left of humanity at all costs, to the point of nuking entire habitats in order to contain X-risks. Their Sentinels (including most player characters) are often sent on suicide missions, [[BodyBackupDrive multiple times]].
22	* ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'':
23	** The Bronze Faction have managed to royally screw up the Creation in the process of attempting to save it. And yet, their leader, Chejop Kejak, is still convinced that he's doing the right thing, and now, with everything going straight to hell (possibly literally, if the Yozis get their way), he firmly believes the world is better off without the Solars. He is one of the last who personally remembers just how bad the late First Age actually was, but he should also realize that just Terrestrials and Sidereals cannot hold off the Yozis, Deathlords, and Raksha simultaneously, especially with the Scarlet Empress missing and the Realm Defense Grid offline.
24	** Most Sidereals, and many other types of Exalt, tend to end up in this trope eventually. (Then, if the Great Curse addles them badly enough, the "well-intentioned" part falls right off.)
25	* ''TabletopGame/FengShui'':
26	** The Guiding Hand is a faction of {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s who want to [[OccupiersOutOfOurCountry drive all foreign influence out of China]], their most iconic fighter being Wong Fei Hong. This may seem like a good thing, particularly because of the opium trade and general imperialism that the Western powers engaged in during the 1800s and the suffering it caused among the Chinese people. On the other hand, Quan Lo, the master of the Hand, is very rigid in his ways, and those who do not embrace them are seen as tools to be used or enemies to be destroyed, making him just as much of a tyrant as Gao Zhang from 69 or Bonengel from 2056. Many Hand adherents despise anything Western or modern, particularly guns and other modern weapons. And Quan Lo's prideful crusade may have some bad consequences -- critical shifts shown in the Guiding Hand sourcebook ''Blood of the Valiant'' include the extremely stagnant Harmonious Kingdom, where everyone is expected to abide by the laws of the land, technology is outlawed, and AllCrimesAreEqual (even rude behavior is punished harshly); and the "Crouching Tiger, Mad Max" setting, which is [[Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar a post-apocalyptic setting ruled by powerful Chi Warlords who rule by the strongest kung fu]].
27	** The Jammers, who have seen the effects of the Buro's control of chi upon much of the populace of 2056, and have decided that no one deserves to be enslaved like this. To this end, they want to destroy all chi so that humanity can be truly free from its influence. There are just a few problems with this plan. One: the primary sources of chi are the [[PlaceOfPower Places Of Power]] known as Feng Shui sites, which often take the form of places like schools, hospitals, and other places important to a community or where innocent people tend to gather, and these guys don't care one whit if these innocent people are hurt or killed in the process of "liberation". Two: the Jammers haven't given much thought to what will happen to the world once all its Feng Shui sites are blown to smithereens, and considering that chi is reportedly tied to life itself, the consequences of wiping out the world's chi may be quite bad indeed.
28	*** In ''Feng Shui 2'', the Jammers achieve their goal and inadvertently wipe out most of the planet's population. [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone Horrified by what they've done]], they decide to SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong and travel back in time to avert what they did - no matter what they have to do in the process.
29	** Johann Bonengel, the president of the aforementioned Buro, also falls under this trope. He entered politics with the dream of creating a world free of "war, ethnic crimes, and personal violence." He achieved these things by creating a worldwide police state whose citizens have few rights and all dissent is ruthlessly suppressed.
30	* The Berlin, Caracas and New Delhi [[AIIsACrapshoot Zoneminds]] in ''TabletopGame/GURPSReignOfSteel''. Berlin and Caracas both want to protect and to the degree that it is possible restore Earth's ecosystem, but view humans as an impediment to that, with Berlin as the more extreme (it has developed an obsession with humans as a threat to Earth's ecology, and consequently really wants humanity exterminated), and Caracas as more balanced (it wants humans to be reduced to a stone age hunter-gatherer level, but doesn't place any special priority on it). New Delhi, uniquely amongst the Zoneminds, actually wants to ''help'' humanity -- the only issue is that New Delhi's idea of help is to uplift humanity into a transhuman state, it's still experimenting to find the best methods, and it's not so hot on the concept of consent.
31	* ''TabletopGame/GeniusTheTransgression'', a fan-made game for ''TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness'':
32	** There are the Lemurians, Geniuses who haven't gotten the memo that they cheat reality. They think that something [[GoneHorriblyWrong Went Horribly Wrong]] in the past, and that they have to fix it in the present. They range the gamut from {{Knight Templar}}s to [[VillainProtagonist playable]] {{Anti Villain}}s.
33	** This game, being set in the World of Darkness, has plenty of non-Lemurian Hoffnungs (those who became [[MadScientist Geniuses]] through a wish to change the world) who end up becoming this, particularly if their KarmaMeter falls too low.
34	* ''[=WoD=]'' Hunters in both ''[[TabletopGame/HunterTheVigil Vigil]]'' and ''[[TabletopGame/HunterTheReckoning Reckoning]]''. The average Hunter group has a 75% chance of trying to kill at least one benevolent or neutral supernatural in the name of keeping humanity safe from things that go bump in the night. A fair number of plot hooks in assorted ''Hunter'' sourcebooks revolve around overzealous Hunters being tricked into going after the good-guy faction of a given splat by one of the bad-guy factions. They aren't helped by ''not'' having access to information about the various supernaturals that could help them sort good from bad.
35	* The Circle of Orboros in ''TabletopGame/IronKingdoms'' are very similar to the Ashbound and Children of Winter mentioned above; they are a druidic sect who believe that civilisation is an inherently unnatural phenomenon that must be crushed, and harness natural disasters of all kinds to try and destroy cities and force humans back to nature. They do this because they believe that not only does civilisation interfere with the fundamental powers of nature, if this interference grows too great, the [[GodOfEvil Devourer]] [[NatureSpirit Wurm]] will return to the mortal world and destroy all humans in order to restore the flow of his powers.
36	** Goreshade the Bastard really, ''really'' wants to save his people. In order to do this, he does things like experiment on soulless and sometimes ensouled Iosan children, starts a civil war, transforms himself into an eldritch, signs up with [[TheNecrocracy Cryx]], delves really deep into forbidden lore and attempts deicide.
37	* ''TabletopGame/MageTheAwakening'':
38	** This essentially ''defines'' the Banishers. They believe the supernatural, especially Mages, to be inherently evil (not necessarily without reason). Their solution is to attempt to wipe out every single supernatural being, especially other Mages, that they come across. The most common reason is that Banishers see the entire cosmology of the World of Darkness as they Awaken, including the Abyss, and how it all fits together. After that, they decide that they will use magic, but only to ultimately stop it from ever being used again.
39	** This is one interpretation (and what they pretend to be) of the ancient conspiracy the Seers of the Throne, when it isn't DespotismJustifiesTheMeans. [[MotiveDecay The first tends to become the second as they move up the hierarchy and are forced to become more amoral]].
40	** Also a good description of the Guardians of the Veil. Probably the only WellIntentionedExtremist group that fully ''acknowledges'' that status. It's right there in their creed: "Sins for a just end bring wisdom to the Awakened." This self-awareness is probably why they're one of the protagonist factions-- they take no pride in what they have to do, only the ends.
41	** The Silver Ladder in general is plagued with these people, on the basis that they idolize the {{Ubermensch}} to begin with, and view pointless self-limiting belief systems as more harmful in the long term than raw [[AmbitionIsEvil ambition]]. When you think like that, it isn't hard ''at all'' to fall into the trap of UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans. As a favorite saying of theirs goes, "[[JustThinkOfThePotential hubris is a coward's word]]". The only problem is that arrogance -- well-meaning or otherwise -- in ''Mage'' usually ends very very badly for the mage and anyone nearby.
42	* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'':
43	** This and KnightTemplar are White's schtick. From Ravnica alone, we have the white/green Selesnya Conclave, who wants to keep society together [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill at the cost of individuality]]; the white/black Orzhov Syndicate, who is much the same without the dryads; and the Boros Legion, whose tactic for building a better world is heavy on the "break heads" side of the scale.
44	** Perhaps [[EmperorScientist Yawgmoth]] could also fit into this trope when he was still a human. After all, he [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans considered eugenics and hybridization between man and machine as perfectly justifiable ways to improve life]]. Then again, he also infected entire races with fatal diseases just to blackmail them over the antidotes, and then let them die anyway ForTheEvulz.
45	** Yawgmoth's archrival Urza would count as an AntiHero version. He's still a protagonist, and could even be called the BigGood of his arc, but in his efforts to stop Yawgmoth from taking over Dominaria, he still did such things as start wars, run eugenic programs that produce disposable slaves to be used as soldiers, kill his allies and using their souls to power bombs, and, in one instance, set off an explosion that ''destroyed a substantial landmass and led to a practical nuclear winter'' just to kill his corrupted brother. If Yawgmoth's victory didn't spell the horrific torture and subjugation of all Dominarians, Urza would be a straight-up villain.
46	* In ''TabletopGame/{{Monsterpocalypse}}'', the Radical factions are said to be this. The Empire of the Apes wants to bring harmony back into nature by leveling human cities, but they also protect primitive villages. Subverted with the Terrasaurs: their human supporters believe the Terrasaurs are GaiasVengeance, but they just find human factories and industrial wastes tasty and are really just looking for a snack.
47	* ''TabletopGame/OldWorldOfDarkness''
48	** The Garou from Creator/WhiteWolf's ''TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse''. Each of the Changing Breeds was created to serve Gaia, and the Garou served as her warriors, protecting her from all things "of the Wyrm." Unfortunately, the Garou thought they were in a position to tell the other Breeds how to do their jobs. On top of that, Gaia never told them about some of the Breeds, or even some of the other tribes of Garou. Genocide ensued. By the time the game begins, three Changing Breeds and one whole tribe of Garou have been driven to extinction, the other Changing-Breeds are mostly in hiding, and the Garou have finally come to realize just how much they shot themselves in the foot. Furthermore, while most of the tribes have valid motivations, some of them go much, much too far. Don't ask about Red Talon "Christmas trees."\
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50	To be fair to the Garou, they were doomed from the start since the Triat, the uber-gods who embody the cycle of Creation, Stasis, and Destruction, are all completely screwed up. Instead of the Wyld creating, the Weaver defining, and the Wyrm destroying (the natural order of things), the Weaver went crazy and captured the Wyrm in a web, making the Wyrm go completely out of control. The Wyld, the only one of the Triat that might be on the Garou's side, is still attending to its duties; trouble is, due to its nature, it's not exactly sane. The Garou have several other gods on their side, including Gaia, the spirit of the planet itself, and Luna, the spirit of the moon, but it's unlikely to be enough. They're fighting to protect a system that is doomed from the get-go.
51	** The Technocracy from ''TabletopGame/MageTheAscension'' is an organization dedicated to making the world safe and predictable for [[{{Muggles}} sleepers]]. Unfortunately, their plan includes genocidally exterminating all supernatural creatures they find, even those who are also trying to protect the helpless and innocent, as well as attempting to monopolize scientific research and advancement, and lying to the sleepers about the true nature of reality.\
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53	[[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation But from their point of view]] the supernatural creatures include parasitic bloodsuckers that seek to control all society in their games, genocidal furry monsters that want to return humanity to Stone Age population levels, and dream parasites that latch onto people and use them as hosts.
54	** And on the other side, you have the Euthanatos, a Tradition dedicated to doing to the population what a gardener does to weeds. They ''try'' not to [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope jump off the slippery slope]], but you know, HeWhoFightsMonsters and all that.
55	* ''TabletopGame/{{Paranoia}}'': Friend Computer means well. It wants citizens to be happy and safe. It wants this so much that it jam-packs Alpha Complex with drugs and security cameras and armed enforcers. It's just ''really'' insane and ''really'' misinformed, and also prioritizes the (perceived) [[TheNeedsOfTheMany needs of the group]] over the needs of the individual (who can be replaced).
56	* ''TabletopGame/{{Ponyfinder}}'': Queen Iliana was one. On the one hand, she did unite the formerly scattered pony tribes and forge them into a mighty Empire. On the other hand, she destroyed the Tribe of Bones for questioning that her intentions were less than noble and who asked she prove her good intentions by being ceremonially cleansed for all the deaths she had ordered before they surrendered to her leadership, and when the Short Leg ponies politely turned down the idea of joining her empire, she stood back and allowed them to be wiped out by an army of gnolls.
57	* ''TabletopGame/PrincessTheHopeful:'' All three Twilight Courts fall under this trope. They are still Hopeful, still servants of the Light with genuinely good goals, but each of them takes their goal to the point of madness.
58	** The Court of Storms only wants to destroy the [[TheDarkSide All-Consuming Darkness]], and they are not wrong that the Darkness is utterly and categorically vile and deserves destruction. The problem is that they ''only'' care about destroying the Darkness and other supernatural threats: they don't do anything productive to build up the Light, their Invocation forbids them to show mercy to anyone tainted by the Darkness (including those who are trying to fight off TheCorruption and could still be saved), and they don't care how much collateral damage they have to inflict in the process.
59	** The Court of Tears only want to protect their city of Alhambra (or for non-Alhambran followers of their philosophy, whatever group they have identified as their own). The problem is that Tears is defined by their willingness to screw over ''everyone else'' if that will keep those they have chosen to protect alive another day.
60	** Each Princess of the Court of Mirrors only wants to be the one who will finally reverse the Fall, drive back the Darkness, and restore the glories of the Kingdom. The problem is, Mirror's philosophy dictates that the True Heir must do this ''herself''. At best, others might be her servants or lieutenants, but she is certainly not allowed to have any equals or allow another to take the lead.
61	* ''TabletopGame/StarfleetBattles'' has the Interstellar Concordium, which decided to end the biggest war in the history of the known universe...by occupying the border regions of all warring parties (i.e., everyone else in the known universe). This actually did cause war to substantially abate for a time (while everyone rearmed) which turned out to be a really good thing when the ScaryDogmaticAliens arrived to wipe out everyone.
62	* ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'': Just about all of the "Good Guy" factions are portrayed as these.
63	** The Tau will regularly employ mass murder and orbital bombardment when a species denies multiple "offers" to join them. They genuinely believe it is their UsefulNotes/ManifestDestiny to unite the galaxy under their rule, and that it is in the galaxy's best interest for them to do so.
64	** The Imperium of Man is what happens when you apply [[WellIntentionedExtremist well intentioned extremism]] to an entire galaxy-spanning government. Rather justified [[EverythingTryingToKillYou given the setting]], but the Imperium and its agents will do ''whatever it takes'' to ensure the survival of humanity.
65	*** Case in point are radical Inquisitors who decide that the best way to defeat the forces of Chaos is to turn [[TheCorruption Chaos]] against itself. If they're lucky, their colleagues will execute them for heresy; if they're unlucky, they are lost to TheDarkSide. If Inquisitors are lost to TheDarkSide, many of them still try to serve the Imperium, no matter how many innocent lives are lost in their schemes.
66	*** Special mention goes to Inquisitor Kryptman, who destroyed a bunch of planets and all of their inhabitants in order to make sure that they wouldn't be eaten by Tyranids.
67	** The Eldar are so devoted to the continuing survival of their species that they are willing to sacrifice everybody else to keep going. One of the sidebar quotes in the Eldar Codex even says, "We would rather ten million humans die than one of our own."
68	** Most of the [[ForTheEvulz Chaos Space Marines]] started out this way before the [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope Istvaan Drop Site Massacres]]. Some still are. Special mention goes to the Alpha Legion, who only sided with Horus because they foresaw that it would ultimately lead to the best possible outcome for the galaxy if Horus actually won. They may still believe in that "best possible" future, but they'll have to burn the Imperium to the ground for it to happen.
69	** Horus himself, at least initially and/or from his point of view. He was presented with a vision of the future of the Imperium as a bloated, oppressive, theocratic state that had forgotten him, discarded the Primarchs, and deified the Emperor. He was told that the Emperor was destroying the [[BlatantLies benign denizens of the Warp]] in his quest for [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence apotheosis]] and would abandon the galaxy to achieve it. This, combined with his bitterness toward his distant father for subordinating him and his brothers to the Council of Terra, made him conclude the Emperor was a corrupt dictator he must overthrow. By the time of the Battle of Terra, he had completely fallen to TheDarkSide.
70	** The Emperor of Mankind was willing to kill a ''lot'' of people in his crusade to make Humanity the rulers of the galaxy.
71	** Not everyone falls to Chaos with the goal of becoming a daemon prince- the Chaos gods embody rage, desire, hope and love, and many Chaos cults start out as organizations to reform the worse aspects of the Imperium, and start down a slippery slope as they start gaining power to further their plans.
72	* The Lizard Men faction of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'''s goals are sympathetic (purging Chaos/Skaven, trying to follow the plans of the Old Ones), but their methods are ruthless. They once thought the continents needed to be rearranged the way they were when the Old Ones were still around, never mind the dwarf empire that was a bulwark against the myriad evil forces living in those mountains. [[spoiler:And with the ''TabletopGame/AgeOfSigmar'' rolling in, it was AllForNothing.]]
73	** There's the vampire Vlad von Carstein, who wanted to conquer the Empire and turn it into a land of undeath to end its corruption and petty power struggles once and for all, and also to starve the Chaos Gods of their main source of power. [[spoiler:''The End Times'' graduated him to a full-on good guy.]]
74	** [[spoiler: That being said, Lord Kroak and at least five other Slann (the spellcasting leader caste, of whom Kroak was the first spawned and directly taught by the Old Ones) survived the End Times and Kroak was betting for the long term in order to, if not win then at least force a stalemate against Chaos for eternity and holding off total annihilation of order.]]
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