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7	[[caption-width-right:160:"Brother and Sister"]]
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9	''Erstwhile'' is a collaborative comic project illustrated by Gina Biggs, Louisa Roy, and Elle Skinner and published by Creator/StrawberryComics.
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11	The comic focuses on classic [[FairyTale fairy tales]] that may be less well known in modern times, or no longer in their original version in modern tellings. These are all derived from Creator/TheBrothersGrimm, and are faithful to the versions published by them.
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13	The comics were originally available on their own website as well as in three collected physical volumes. After the website's shutdown, Biggs decided to start re-posting them on Platform/{{Webtoon}}; they can be found [[https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/erstwhile-fairy-tales/list?title_no=922095 here.]]
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16	!!This series has adapted the following tales:
17	* "[[Literature/{{Donkeyskin}} All-Fur]]"
18	* "The Bird, The Mouse, and the Sausage"
19	* "Literature/BrotherAndSister"
20	* "Death of the Little Hen"
21	* "Doctor Know-It-All"
22	* "The Farmer's Clever Daughter"
23	* "The Golden Key"
24	* "Literature/IronHans"
25	* "Literature/KingThrushbeard"
26	* "The Leftovers"
27	* "The Little Shroud"
28	* "Literature/MaidMaleen"
29	* "Literature/MotherHolle"
30	* "The Old Man and his Grandson"
31	* "Literature/TheSingingSpringingLark"
32	* "Literature/SnowWhiteAndRoseRed"
33	* "The Sweet Porridge"
34	* "Sweetheart Roland
35	* "A Tale with a Riddle"
36	* "The Three Lazy Ones"
37	* "[[Literature/TheTwelveDancingPrincesses The Worn-Out Dancing Shoes]]"
38	* "The Twelve Huntsmen"
39	* "The Ungrateful Son"
40	* "The Wolf and the Man"
41	* "Literature/TheWolfAndTheSevenYoungKids"
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44	!!Provides Examples Of:
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46	* AdaptationalAttractiveness: In the original "Sweetheart Roland", the evil stepsister was described as being very ugly. Here, unflattering facial expressions aside, she's quite attractive. She's just as ugly on the inside, however.
47	* AdaptationExpansion:
48	** "Snow White and Rose Red" adds a scene of Snow White and the Bear talking during the winter, and then another where the girls see a sign about the missing prince and meet his brother. Neither was in the Grimms' version but they help set up the ending better.
49	** "King Thrushbeard" adds one couple of scenes to explain why Thrushbeard would want to get married to a petulant, cruel princess who mocked him publicly.
50	** "Maid Maleen" adds a scene to explain why the bride does not want to show her face to anybody.
51	* AdaptationalNiceGuy: King Thrushbeard. The princess acknowledges that she was proud and shouldn't have mocked him, but she also points out that it wasn't nice to make ''her'' life so difficult. Thrushbeard says her father asked for his help in teaching her a lesson and they went too far. He sincerely apologises and wants to make it up to her.
52	* ArrangedMarriage:
53	** In "Maid Maleen," both she and her prince ([[NamedByTheAdaptation Orland]]) have arranged marriages; she refuses hers and thus gets locked in a tower, and he goes through with his because he thinks she's lost to him forever.
54	** In “The Twelve Huntsmen”, Prince Aster must break off his engagement to Princess Poppy because his father’s DyingWish was that his son marry Lady Iris instead. Luckily for both the protagonists, Lady Iris didn’t want the marriage anymore than Aster did, and is happy at the news that he plans to wed another.
55	* ArtShift: The opening of "Maid Maleen" is told with pictures she drew herself.
56	* BagOfHolding: A magic nutshell can hold all of All-Fur's dresses.
57	** [[spoiler:The bear]] in "Snow White and Rose Red" turns out to be a cursed prince.
58	* BigBeautifulWoman: Poppy in "The Twelve Huntsmen" is designed this way.
59	* BlowingARaspberry: In "Snow White and Rose Red", Rose does this to the dwarf after he [[ComplainingAboutRescuesTheyDontLike complains about Snow cutting off part of his beard]].
60	* BreakTheHaughty: The princess of King Thrushbeard. Her father becomes so annoyed at her constant complaining and mocking of her suitors that he marries her off to a beggar.
61	* BrideAndSwitch: Maid Maleen is talked into taking the ugly bride's place during the wedding, a fact made weirder by the fact that ''she'' used to be engaged to the prince herself.
62	* {{Butterface}}: The bride in "Maid Maleen" has a perfectly nice figure and beautiful hair, but a long, pointed nose and a massive unibrow, explaining why she hides her face.
63	* CelestialDeadline: The heroine of "A Tale With A Riddle" is set free for only a night.
64	* ChildMarriageVeto: The princess of "King Thrushbeard" -- and boy, does she use it.
65	* ChildrenAreTenderHearted: The little boy's ghost appears content until he sees his mother crying -- then the TenderTears go on.
66	* CompositeCharacter: The Grimms' version of "The Springing, Singing Lark" mentions in passing that the princess' father is a sorcerer; in this version, she is, and [[PrincessesRule seems to run the kingdom herself]].
67	* ContrivedCoincidence: "Doctor Know-it-All" runs on this, with him misunderstanding and then saying the perfect thing to come out ahead.
68	* CrushBlush: Quite a few of the stories, most notably "Brother and Sister" (between the king and Jane) and "Snow White And Rose Red" for both canon couples.
69	* CueTheSun: Maid Maleen's description of her happy ending.
70	* {{Curse}}: In ''Brother and Sister,'' the brother, John, is turned into a deer; in "The Singing, Springing Lark," Marcus and everyone else in his palace turn into lions during the day; and three women in "A Tale With a Riddle" are turned into flowers.
71	* CurseEscapeClause: The husband of the woman in "A Tale With A Riddle" can save her from being a flower by picking her, but has to choose her from two other flowers that look identical.
72	* DamselInDistress: The wife in "A Tale With A Riddle" is turned into a flower, but will return to normal if her husband can pick her out from two other flowers.
73	* DamselOutOfDistress: Maid Maleen gets herself out of the tower.
74	* DancesAndBalls: Three of them in "All Fur," which she attends in her three beautiful dresses and dances with the King.
75	* DeliberatelyMonochrome:
76	** The FlashForward in "The Farmer's Clever Daughter" is done in blues.
77	** "The Old Man and his Grandson" is done in beiges.
78	* DepravedDwarf: A mythical one serves as the villain in "Snow White and Rose Red."
79	* DirtyCoward: The Dwarf from "Snow White and Rose Red". When the bear attacks him, he (mistakenly thinking he wants him for food) tries to get the animal to go after Snow White and Rose Red instead, saying they'd make a better meal.
80	* DisproportionateRetribution: The bride in "Maid Maleen" [[PragmaticVillainy rejects this as causing future problems]].
81	* DisposableFiance: Naturally, there are a few; unless you count villains like in "Maid Maleen," their own flaws are "ArrangedMarriage candidates when the male lead is already in love with protagonist." Fortunately, they're treated sympathetically: the one from "The Twelve Huntsmen" apparently didn't want to marry Prince Aster anyway, while the girl from "Sweetheart Roland" [[PairTheSpares seems to hook up with the Shepherd instead]].
82	* DoubleInLawMarriage: The bear suggests this to Rose Red as a solution to her dilemma of wanting to get married someday, but not wanting to have something she couldn't share with her sister.
83	* DownerEnding: "The Bird, the Mouse, & the Sausage" and "The Death of the Little Hen."
84	* EatingTheEyeCandy: In "All-Fur," the artwork makes it look like the princess is ogling the king's rear end [[http://www.erstwhiletales.com/allfur-06/#.WEBGXpKQxPY at one point]].
85	* EngagementChallenge: GenderFlipped in "The Farmer's Clever Daughter"--the king agrees to marry her if she can solve his riddle.
86	* ExactWords: How the farmer's clever daughter won out in the end.
87	* FallenOnHardTimesJob: All-Fur is a princess who has to work in the kitchens in a neighboring kingdom.
88	** The protagonist of "Iron Hans" is a prince who has to work as a gardener.
89	* FallingInLoveMontage: Or rather, not getting over because it was true love, not only an infaution, despite the speed montage, in "Brother and Sister."
90	* FeminineWomenCanCook: Expected of the princess in ''King Thrushbeard''.
91	* FemmeFatalons: The Bride in "Maid Maleen" has long fingernails.
92	%%* FirstKiss
93	* FirstNameBasis: The king tells the farmer's clever daughter his name when she calls him "sire" just before the wedding.
94	* ForcedTransformation: The heroine of "A Tale With A Riddle," along with two other women, are turned into flowers.
95	* FramingDevice: "A Tale With a Riddle" is told to her daughter.
96	* GhibliHills: Rose Red and Snow White are perfectly safe sleeping in the woods overnight.
97	* GirlInTheTower: Maid Maleen is set in a tower for seven years for refusing to go through with her ArrangedMarriage.
98	%%* GoodParents: The mother in "The Little Shroud."
99	* GrandTheftMe: In "Brother and Sister," Jane is killed and her stepsister uses magic to replace her.
100	%%* GreenEyedMonster: The stepmother and stepsister in "Brother and Sister"
101	* GuileHero: The eponymous character of "The Farmer's Clever Daughter."
102	* HairOfGoldHeartOfGold: "Snow White and Rose Red" makes Snow White a blonde, and she's the more gentle of the two sisters.
103	* HonorBeforeReason: In "The Farmer's Clever Daughter," the farmer unearths a gold mortar while tilling the land the king gave him. He plans on giving it to the king as a token of gratitude, but his daughter warns him not to do so until after they find the pestle to go along with it. The farmer ignores her advice, causing the king to believe the farmer is keeping the pestle for himself and has him thrown into the dungeon until he agrees to produce the pestle.
104	* HypnotizeTheCaptive:
105	** In "The Singing, Springing Lark," Marcus is put under a spell to forget Svetlana and marry the villain, Valdis, instead.
106	** The title character of "Sweetheart Roland," though interestingly, not by the girl he almost marries--the WickedStepmother put a spell on him just to spite the protagonist.
107	* IdenticalStranger: The first stage of [[AddedAlliterativeAppeal princess Poppy's plan]] is to gather eleven girls with similar faces and body types to her. This is done without any difficulty whatsoever.
108	* ImpossibleTask: Paradox version.
109	-->'''King:''' Come to me, not dressed, not naked, not on a horse, not by carriage, not on the road, not off the road, and if you do, I'll marry you.
110	* IncestantAdmirer: In "All-Fur", the princess is visibly revolted when her father announces his intention to marry her.
111	* IncurableCoughOfDeath: The son in "The Little Shroud." He spends most of the story as a ghost.
112	%%* ItWasAGift: The prince gives Maid Maleen a necklace.
113	* LastRequest: In "All-Fur," the protagonist's mother tells her husband not to remarry unless he can find a woman as beautiful as her. He manages to find one, [[ParentalIncest though there's a LITTLE problem]]...
114	** In "The Twelve Huntsmen," the king's last request was an ArrangedMarriage for his son, despite him already being engaged to the protagonist.
115	* LoveAtFirstNote: In "King Thrushbeard," this is a scene added to the story--he hears the princess singing, and thus falls for her despite her [[RoyalBrat less-than-charming]] personality.
116	* LoveAtFirstSight: In "Brother and Sister," the King hears that the fawn they're chasing lives with a girl in the woods, goes to meet her, and proposes at their first meeting.
117	* MakeUpIsEvil: The bride in "Maid Maleen" tries to hide herself with this.
118	* TheMarvelousDeer:
119	** A deer is one of Rose Red and Snow White's protectors in the forest.
120	** In "Brother and Sister", the king and his hunting party pursue the [[ForcedTransformation transformed]] John, because a majestic white deer wearing a golden collar is an enticing quarry to them.
121	* MindControlEyes: In "Sweetheart Roland," his eyes turn [[RedEyesTakeWarning red]] when the WickedStepmother's spell kicks in.
122	* TheMourningAfter: The first king engages in this for a long time "All-Furs."
123	* MurderTheHypotenuse: The bride's last attempt in "Maid Maleen."
124	* NamelessNarrative: Averted in many cases, as several characters who were nameless in the original stories are [[NamedByTheAdaptation named]] here.
125	* NeedleInAStackOfNeedles: In "A Tale With A Riddle," the husband must choose one flower among three.
126	%%* NiceToTheWaiter: The bride in "Maid Maleen" exemplifies the "not" type.
127	* NurseryRhyme: The Grimms' version of "Maid Maleen" ends with one about her being stuck in the tower; the comic adapted this by having some children playing around the tower after she's already left.
128	%%* OddShapedPanel: Circles in "Maid Maleen."
129	* OffWithHisHead:
130	** The villainess at the end of "Maid Maleen."
131	** The WickedStepmother in "Sweetheart Roland" tries to decapitate Dulcia in her sleep, but Dulcia switches places with the wicked stepsister so that [[OffingTheOffspring she dies instead]].
132	* OnceMoreWithClarity: "The Farmer's Clever Daughter" opens with the daughter SlippingAMickey to the king and covering him in a sheet. We find out why toward the end.
133	* OneHeadTaller: Inverted in "The Singing, Springing Lark". Svetla is a good five or six inches taller than her husband Marcus.
134	* OnlyTheKnowledgableMayPass: The bride betrays herself by ignorance of the ceremony in "Maid Maleen."
135	* OurAngelsAreDifferent: In "Snow White And Rose Red," a childlike angel keeps them from falling off a cliff.
136	* OurGhostsAreDifferent: In "The Little Shroud," he apparently can't "rest" in his grave as long as his mother is grieving. In "Brother and Sister" the sister's ghost is oddly active, even able to nurse the baby she had right before she died!
137	* PairTheSpares: The end of "Sweetheart Roland" implies that Ivy and the shepherd will get together. Even Dulcia's father, now widowed from the WickedStepmother, seems to be hitting it off with somebody new.
138	* ParentalAbandonment: All-Fur describes her plight as this. Technically, she ran away from home, albeit for [[ParentalIncest a good reason]].
139	* ParentalIncest: In "All-Fur", the King wants to marry his own daughter.
140	* ParentalMarriageVeto: Maid Maleen says that she will only marry Orland, while her father wants her to marry somebody else. She gets locked in a tower for her trouble.
141	* ThePromise: All-Furs's mother extracts one while dying.
142	* RaceLift: All the fairy tales are European, but the characters vary. For example, "A Tale with a Riddle" has black protagonists, while the other cursed women are AmbiguouslyBrown.
143	* RagsToRoyalty: "The Farmer's Clever Daughter" has a peasant marry a king; Maid Maleen and All-Fur were born princesses, but go through a "rags" phase before marrying a fellow royal.
144	* RedheadInGreen: Rose Red in "Snow White and Rose Red", when she isn't dressed in warmer colors.
145	* RedRightHand: The stepsister in "Brother and Sister" can't get her eye back.
146	* RoyalBrat: The Princess in "King Thrushbeard." The whole story is basically a case of BreakTheHaughty.
147	* RuleOfSeven: How many years Maid Maleen was to be locked up.
148	* SacredHospitality: Rose Red and Snow White's mother insists on it.
149	* SculleryMaid: Where else will you work? The prince in "Iron Hans" even got a job there at first.
150	* ShapeshiftingExcludesClothing: {{Averted}} in most of the stories, but played straight at the end of "Brother and Sister."
151	* SheCleansUpNicely: In "All Fur," the title character is unrecognizable when she changes from her fur outfit to her beautiful dresses.
152	* SlippingAMickey: The farmer's clever daughter to the king.
153	** Also how the princesses give the suitors the slip in "The Worn-out Dancing Shoes."
154	* StealthPun: The title characters of "Brother and Sister" are named John and Jane. John is turned into a deer. [[http://www.erstwhiletales.com/bonus-art/#.WSyIQPUrLrc They're John and Jane Doe.]]
155	* StrongFamilyResemblance: This sets off the plot of "All Fur." When the main character turns out to be as beautiful as her [[MissingMom deceased mother]], her father goes mad and insists on marrying her as replacement. She runs away.
156	** In "Snow White and Rose Red," the girls initially mistake one prince for his missing brother.
157	* SupernaturalGoldEyes: Marcus from "The Singing, Springing Lark," perhaps to [[MorphicResonance make him look more like a lion]].
158	* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome: In "King Thrushbeard", while the princess acknowledges that she deserved some punishment for the way she behaved, she is NOT happy at the way she was treated, and wastes no time letting both her father and husband know about it.
159	* SweatDrop: You'd sweat too, if your bride talked about your true love on your wedding day.
160	* SweetPollyOliver: Poppy and her crew dress up as huntsmen to see her ex-fiance.
161	%%* TenderTears: The boy, in "The Little Shroud."
162	%%* TextileWorkIsFeminine: Jane in "Brother and Sister"
163	* ThroughAFaceFullOfFur: The bear in "Snow White and Rose Red" does this after Snow White hugs him in gratitude for his advice.
164	* ThroughHisStomach: The second king is much taken with All Fur's soup.
165	* TimePassesMontage: Between the marriage in "Brother and Sister" and the baby's birth.
166	* TrueBlueFemininity: Snow White in "Snow White and Rose Red" typically wears light blue, which helps underscore the fact that she's more of a homebody than Rose Red.
167	%%* UngratefulBastard: The bride in "Maid Maleen."
168	* WalkingTheEarth: Svetlana does this searching for Marcus in "The Singing, Springing Lark"
169	%%* WickedWitch: The stepmother in "Brother and Sister"
170	* YouHaveWaitedLongEnough: The prince's father to the prince in "Maid Maleen."
171	* YouWontLikeHowITaste: The Dwarf tries this on the Bear in "Snow White and Rose Red". But the Bear's not after him for food, so it doesn't work.
172	* YouthfulFreckles: Rose Red in "Snow White and Rose Red" has them to underscore her adventurousness.
173	* YouthIsWastedOnTheDumb: In "Brother and Sister", the brother insists on going out and letting the king hunt him as a deer.

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