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1	!Masamune and Keiji being Orochi's underlings is a form of TakeThat to VideoGame/SengokuBasara
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3	VideoGame/SengokuBasara 2 introduces Naoe Kanetsugu as a pathetic JokeCharacter a la [[Franchise/StreetFighter Dan Hibiki]]. Koei doesn't like one of their main trio getting reduced like that, as a result, they snap back at Capcom by making two of Basara's poster boys (Yukimura is also Koei's poster boy, so he's out of question) underlings of Orochi that you need to beat down and label 'bad guys'. Not to mention Masamune, being the more 'main' poster boy of Basara, is turned into a worshipping fanatic of Orochi, stripping all his badass points in his KOEI incarnation (it's less than the Capcom one, but STILL).
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5	!The third game will continue the story, and expand it to the next generation DW and SW (DW 7 and SW 3)
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7	Which means, most maps get a revamp for nextgen maps, and they will include Bao Sanniang, Ma Dai, Liu Shan, Guan Suo, Cai Wenji, Jia Xu, Ding Feng, Lian Shi, Sima Shi, Sima Zhao, Wang Yuanji, Zhuge Dan, Guo Huai, Zhong Hui, Deng Ai and Xiahou Ba for the DW side; Kato Kiyomasa, Kaihime, Kuroda Kanbei, Hojo Ujiyasu, Tachibana Muneshige, Takenaka Hanbei, Mouri Motonari, Aya Gozen and Fukushima Masanori on the SW side. Plus Musashi and Kojiro returns.
8	* Kanbei Kuroda, Will be one of Orochi's underlings.
9	** Well Maybe Not, He is in the Samurai Team.
10	** Fukushima Masanori will find a way to be Orochi's underlings. Because you know, [[UnpopularPopularCharacter KOEI hates him]].
11	*** {{Jossed}} with both of them.
12	* Sima Yi will bring the whole Jin faction to the Orochi side, but not everyone will be there for long. Zhong Hui would most likely stick with Sima Yi due to his arrogance. Sima Shi might also stay.
13	** {{Jossed}}: [[spoiler:Sima Shi joins Cao Pi's army agains Da Ji.]]
14	** Sima Zhao, due to his carefree attitude and having [[HighHeelFaceTurn Wang Yuanji]] might defect to another force. If Zhong Hui sticks, Deng Ai might defect. Xiahou Ba will definitely defect.
15	* New Dream will have:
16	** Aya Gozen, Fukushima Masanori and Gracia for the SW3XL.
17	** Mitsunari Ishida, Kato Kiyomasa and Fukushima Masanori.
18	** Kotaro Fuma, Hojo Ujiyasu and Kaihime for the Hojo Clan
19	** Hojo Ujiyasu, Kenshin Uesugi and Shingen Takeda.
20	* And [[MarthDebutedinSmashBros Takamaru]].
21	* They might also be adding ''VideoGame/WarriorsLegendsOfTroy'' into the mix ([[DevelopmentHell assuming the game ever releases...]]).
22	* And they have announced just such a Game! And not only they bring the DW7XL additions (Pang De, Guo Jia and Wang Yi), bring back Zuo Ci, Musashi, Kojiro and Goemon, [[VideoGame/WarriorsLegendsOfTroy they brought Achilles, they also brought in]] [[UsefulNotes/JoanOfArc Jeanne D'Arc]] from ''Bladestorm'' and [[VideoGame/NinjaGaiden Ryu Hayabusa!]]
23	** And Nemea from Z'ill Oll and of all people, Ayane from ''VideoGame/DeadOrAlive.''
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25	[[WMG: The 4th game will have [[Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar Kenshiro,]] from ''Ken's Rage'']]
26	One hell of a pipe dream, but they don't call this section wild for nothing. Also, ''holy shit IT WOULD BE SO AWESOME''
27	* Koei is going to make a lot of anime-based Musou other than Franchise/{{Gundam}}, ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar'' and ''Manga/OnePiece''. THEN such crossover will be possible (Excepting Gundam because it'll be totally unfair for the ground characters who doesn't pilot Gundams)
28	** Someone hasn't seen ''Anime/{{SD Gundam\|Force}}'', one can use that artstyle for "Team Gundam" ... and perhaps load a joke over their distinct differences... (Someone mistakes it for a giant only to find out one of hte MSes are the size of them)
29	[[WMG: ''Warriors Orochi 4'' will have some GuestFighter characters from Western Media]]
30	Following the inclusions of Star Wars and Assassin's Creed casts in Soul Calibur, here are some guests we want.
31	From Disney:
32	* [[WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb Phineas Flynn]]
33	** Imagine Vincent Martella as Phineas interacting the cast of Dynasty Warriors.
34	* [[WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil Star Butterfly]]
35	* [[WesternAnimation/JakeAndTheNeverLandPirates Captain Jake and Pirate Princess Izzy]]
36	* [[WesternAnimation/GravityFalls Dipper Pines and Pacifica Northwest]]
37	From Marvel Comics
38	* ComicBook/{{Deadpool}}
39	** But what it make it better? Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool!!!!
40	* ComicBook/BlackPanther
41	* [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]]- the actual Thor not deified Lu Bu/Thor.
42	From Cartoon Network
43	* [[WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse Steven Quartz Universe and Connie Maheswaran]]
44	From Creator/CDProjektRED:
45	* Geralt of Rivia- Yes, there's his "Japanese" counterpart, William. But it would be cool if Geralt appears ever since he makes appearance in ''VideoGame/SoulcaliburVI'' and ''VideoGame/MonsterHunterWorld''. Then, he can have some time with the DW and SW ladies. And upon appearing in the Orochi's world, he'll complain about the portals again.
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47	[[WMG: ''Warriors Orochi 3'' will be made playable and accessable in stores in the US.]]
48	When they release the Warriors Orochi Collection, look back at other series. VideoGame/JakAndDaxter, VideoGame/SlyCooper, VideoGame/GodOfWar, VideoGame/MegaMan In a year or so they will release all three games and you don't have to download it to play it.
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50	[[WMG: There will be a fourth game and it will come after SW4 (AKA somewhere in or after 2014)]]
51	They could just whip in a ContinuityReboot for the WO franchise. It's inevitable as the series they're picked from will continue to grow and Koei would probably give them a chance to encounter each other again. It will have Abe no Seimei and Shennong from get-go. The newest addition of the cast would be Xu Shu, Guan Xing, Guan Yinping, Zhang Bao, Yue Jin, Li Dian, Lu Su, Han Dang, Zhang Chunhua, Jia Chong, Wen Yang, Takatora Todo, Yagyu Munenori, Ii Naotora, a Bladestorm character (probably Edward the Black Prince, the main 'face' of the English forces), a Trojan character, and for the 'modern day/ ''VideoGame/NinjaGaiden''' representative... well, the most recent addition of Hayabusa's lady friends after Ayane, Rachel and Momiji: [[VideoGame/DeadOrAlive Kasumi]].
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53	Maybe for [=PS4=]?
54	* Semi-confirmed, there's a new game but not WO4, but WO3 Ultimate. For [=PS3=] and Vita. And amongst the list, only Xu Shu made it so far, along with a new character Tamamo-mo-Mae.
55	* It's officially confirmed that there will be a Warriors Orochi 4 which is set to be out on 2018 (probably tentative) and judging by the teaser poster, they're using the DW8 and SW4 character designs.
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57	[[WMG:The special relationship for Post-Dynasty 7 and Post-Samurai 3]]
58	!Shu
59	* Xu Shu
60	** Zhuge Liang
61	** Pang Tong
62	** Inahime
63	** Taigong Wang
64	* Zhang Bao
65	* Guan Xing
66	* Guan Yinping:
67	* Fa Zheng
68	!Wei
69	* Yue Jin
70	* Li Dian
71	* Yu Jin
72	* Xun Yu
73	!Wu
74	* Lu Su
75	* Han Dang
76	* Zhu Ran
77	!Jin
78	* Jia Chong
79	* Wen Yang
80	* Zhang Chunhua‎‎
81	!Other Dynasty
82	* Chen Gong
83	* Lu Lingqi
84	** Ina: Rivalry over who's Dad could beat up the other.
85	*** Confirmed. They have a rivalry but they also became good friends
86	!Samurai
87	* Takatora Tōdō
88	* Munenori Yagyū
89	* Naotora Ii
90	* Yoshitsugu Ōtani
91	** Pang Tong: Speaks for itself, the two Guys who wear masks to cover their faces.
92	*** Confirmed. They became friends.
93	* Nobuyuki Sanada
94	* Matsunaga Hisahide
95	** Orochi: He seems to hate his fate is beyond his control so will align with him to make his own destiny.
96	* Takakage Kobayakawa
97	** Motonari Mōri: His Father, for a Father and Son relationship.
98	** Da Ji: He may aid Da Ji for the same reason Motonari aid her.
99	* Lady Hayakawa
100	** Ujiyasu Hōjō: Father and daughters relationship.
101	* Kojuro Katakura
102	* Toyohisa Shimazu
103	* Kagekatsu Uesugi
104	* Koshoshou
105	* Naomasa Ii
106	* Masayuki Sanada
107	* Chacha
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109	!The fourth game will be a ContinuityReboot
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111	Seeing that the third game is something of a GrandFinale of the current saga, it would make a lot more sense if the next game is a reboot. Much like both DW and SW got a bit of 'reboot' post [=DW6=] and post [=SW3=] (instances: Cao Cao less of a CardCarryingVillain, Sima Yi a lot more noble and being the patriarch of Jin, Fuuma Kotarou less of a chaos-worshipping Troll but more loyal to Hojo), would make a lot more sense if it got a reboot.
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113	!Alternatively, the fourth game continues the story, but won't be called Warriors Orochi anymore
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115	Because [[spoiler:Orochi has been redeemed in ''3'' in form of Shuten Douji]], it means that there will be another mythical figure to stand as a grand enemy in Orochi's stead, something similar to Hundun. To go with the AntagonistTitle scheme, the game won't be titled Warriors Orochi but 'Warriors (insert new BigBad here)'
116	* Jossed. It's still ''[=WO4=]/[=MO3=]''
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118	!The next game will have additional characters from the Genji/Genpei era.
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120	Taira no Kiyomori seemed still legit enough to become a recurring villain. Maybe they won't keep doing the GuestFighter schthick as in ''3'', so to make up for that, they'll bring in people from the era of Genji/Genpei War as either friends or enemies for Yoshitsune and/or Benkei, such as the other warriors for Minamoto clan (e.g: Yoritomo) or Taira clan (e.g: Kagekiyo) or others like Tomoe Gozen.
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122	!The "Rival Warlords" DLC scenario in VideoGame/DynastyWarriors 8: Empires is set in the Orochi World.
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124	It has characters from DW, Bladestorm, Taira Kiyomori, and even Genghis Khan at war with each other in a very time-displaced China. Kiyomori and his officers (namely Sun Wukong and Himiko) look like their Orochi incarnations, and the very premise is right up Orochi's alley.
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126	!''Warriors Orochi 4'' will still use the DW8 and SW4 movesets and weapons.
127	The teaser poster shows Zhao Yun and Sanada Yukimura in their DW8 and SW4. So, it's likely that the DW characters would use their old moveset and weapons from DW8 instead of DW9 which already overhauled the gameplay system.
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129	!''Warriors Orochi 4'' may include the DW9 characters.
130	Since DW9 revamped the gameplay, the new characters can use DW8-inspired movesets and retain their character design similar to what happened with Zhou Cang when he debuted in Warriors All-Star. They can also retained their weapons since they're new.
131	* A precedence of this can be seen with Xin Xianying appearing in ''DW Unleashed'', which had DW8 move system. So there is a chance for the new guys.
132	** Apparently while playing the game, there's no generic NPC versions of the DW9 and Spirit of Sanada characters. There's no generic version of Katsuyori Takeda or Cheng Pu etc. It's possible that Koei is planning to include them at some point during development. So, it's likely that they may be included in an expansion.
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134	!''Warriors Orochi 4'' will either have a wide open sandbox like 9 or a hub world like All-Stars
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136	!''Warriors Orochi 4'' will have a NoDubForYou
137	It’s already amazing they had so many actors for 9 in Japanese, English and Chinese. It’ll be easier to just translate the dialogue and not do any dubbing.
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139	!''Warriors Orochi 4'' will add Bladestorm and Legend of Troy characters as other factions
140	These two are the more 'Warriors-ish history' characters when compared to other purely fictional characters from Zill Ol or Ninja Gaiden. With the incentives on both Joan of Arc and Achilles, it may be a matter of time until we start seeing the likes of Edward the Black Prince, La Hire, Gilles de Rais, Patroklos (no, not Sophitia's son. Achilles' partner), Hektor, Paris, and many others. Which may also include...
141	* Jossed. The producers already made it clear that characters from those two franchises will not be included.
142	** Unjossed because Joan of Arc returns in ''Warriors Orochi 4: Ultimate''.
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144	!''Warriors Orochi 4'' will add up [[Myth/ClassicalMythology the Greek Mythology]] on both the mystic side and humans side
145	Gods also participated in the Trojan War, cases could be made for Athena, Ares, Apollo and Aphrodite, all of which had a hand in the Trojan War. Aside of this, the Greek Pantheon is rife with legendary monsters like the Minotaur, Medusa and the Gorgons, etc. In addition of this, there are many tales of Greek heroes, but aside of Trojan War, none came close as 'warring', these heroes would fit very well in a non-historical game like WO. Imagine fighting the likes of Greek heroes such as Heracles/Hercules, Perseus, Atalanta, Theseus, Jason and the Argonauts, Medea or Orion...
146	* Confirmed. The game's BigBad is Zeus.
147	** A bit jossed on Zeus being the BigBad. The official trailer shows Zeus doing a spirit bomb with Zhao Yun and Yukimura plus his character design doesn't look a bit sinister to me. He reminds me of a Greek version of Thor with steroids. Unless, Koei is trying to invoke the LightIsNotGood on him.
148	** Perseus has been confirmed and he was said to have betrayed Zeus. So it might give credence for Zeus being the BigBad
149	*** Though that doesn't explain why Athena is also after him.
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151	!Guessings for new Mystics or Pre-History Characters in [=WO4=]
152	Either Japanese/Chinese deities or non-3 Kingdoms or Sengoku Period characters that will appear in [=WO4=], just like 3 added Kaguya and Shuten Douji and Nezha. Most likely, we'll have to stick with those before Sengoku or Three Kingdoms (which is why probably we won't be seeing UsefulNotes/TheShinsengumi)
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154	* Chinese
155	** Emperor Zhou (Da Ji's husband who was manipulated into letting her terrorize his empire)
156	** Ao Kuang
157	** Zhu Bajie
158	** Sha Wujing
159	** Houyi
160	** Xi Wangmu
161	* Japanese
162	** Amaterasu
163	** Tsukuyomi
164	** Emperor Sutoku (The last of Japan's '3 Most Terrible Youkai', the other 2 being Tamamo-no-Mae and Shuten Douji)
165	** Tomoe Gozen
166	** Kintaro/Sakata Kintoki
167	** Ashiya Douman
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169	!Tecmo-Koei guest stars
170	While they could just use some of the same assets as Warriors All Stars, let’s go over the guesses.
171	* Ninja Gaiden: Ryu Hayabusa, Ayane
172	* Dead Or Alive: Kasumi, Marie Rose, Honoka
173	* Warriors All-Stars: Tamaki, Shiki, Setsuna
174	* Atelier Mystery Trilogy: Sophie, Plachta, Firis, Liane, Lydie, Suelle.
175	* Nioh: William
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177	![=WO4=] [=PS4=] version will have DLC appearance of [[VideoGame/GodOfWar Kratos]]
178	His fighting style screams of being ported into Musou style combat, and with Zeus and the Greek Myth coming to fray, who's to say that Kratos wouldn't want another chance to bash Zeus' head good again? Probably going to be non-canon to the overall plot, it's only for Fanservice on the Sony players, since the Switch players have either [[VideoGame/HyruleWarriors Zelda characters]] or [[VideoGame/FireEmblemWarriors Fire Emblem characters]] for their DLC source.
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180	Also probably the original trilogy Kratos before he went to Norse Mythology.
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182	And much like Sophitia in [=WO3U=], it may explain why Kratos suddenly disappeared after [=GOW3=], he got transported to the [=WO-verse=] and his stay there made him calm down about the Greek Gods enough that once he reappeared in Norse, he's a much calmer figure (because really, Koei has a tendency to make things LighterAndSofter...).
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184	!Possible starting/leader characters of [=WO4=]
185	I'm going to base it on the front row of [[http://www.koeitecmoamerica.com/wo4/img/top/character_img.png the group pic]] where asides from Zhao Yun and Yukimura Sanada who are the poster boys of their respective franchises, the leader characters will be (not necessarily per faction):
186	* [=DW=]: Guan Yinping, Lu Lingqi, Cao Pi and Guo Jia
187	* [=SW=]: Naomasa Ii, Mitsunari Ishida, Naotora Ii and Yoshitsugu Otani
188	Either two or three can be the leaders while the rest can be the supporting leaders.
189	** Something to note about these eight characters is that most of them consistently place in the top ten of their franchises' popularity polls. Ishida, in particular, has been voted ''the'' most popular SW character on multiple occasions. Naomasa is the only one who hasn't, but that's because his SW incarnation hasn't even been included in one yet.
190	*** Also, Cao Pi and Guo Jia starred in the last main story stage of [=WO3U=].
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192	!The 8 characters who will get deification
193	Naturally, this will depend on the popularity or role from the three games whether we like or not. It might be possible if this will be done per faction as it would be extremely unfair if two character from one faction will get deification.
194	* Confirmed:
195	** Zhao Yun (Shu)
196	** Yukimura (Sanada)
197	** Cao Pi (Wei)
198	** Mitsunari (Toyotomi)
199	** Guan Yinping (Shu)
200	** Nobunaga (Oda)
201	** Naotora (Tokugawa)
202	** Lu Bu (Others)
203	* Possible (for DLC or Season Pass):
204	** Lu Xun (Wu)
205	** Wang Yuanji (Jin)
206	** Lu Lingqi (Others)
207	** Naomasa (Tokugawa)
208	** Sun Shangxiang (Wu)
209	** Takatora (Tokugawa)
210	** Zhong Hui (Jin)
211	** Sun Ce (Wu)
212	** Sima Zhao (Jin)
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214	!One character from the Norse mythology may be included
215	The producers made some vague references that a Norse character might be in the new roster due to the presence of some items from Norse mythology and that Guan Yinping's deification is based from Frejya, the Norse goddess of fertility. So, it's possible that they might put Odin, Thor, Frigga, Heimdall or Loki in it and it would be no surprise if they happen to look like their Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse counterparts as long as Disney doesn't go after their heads.
216	* Confirmed. It's a pretty boy Odin.
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218	!A spinoff game will be made which would solely focus on the mythological figures
219	Because of the appearance of five gods from Greek and Norse mythologies in the fourth game, it's high time for Koei to make a spinoff game about the different mythologies where they will include the other characters are from the Chinese, Japanese, Greek and Norse mythologies asides the ones we got. They can also include others like Aztec, Egyptian, Slavic, Celtic and Russian mythology. And lastly, the movesets of the old characters need to improve considering that they have the SAME movesets since their debut.
220	* There is one era that doesn't have to be necessarily mystic-related, but could be rife for this: Genpei Era. Aside of Yoshitsune, Benkei and Kiyomori, that era is rife with several heroes that could use a Musou-style revamp. For example: Kiso/Minamoto no Yoshinaka, Minamoto no Yoritomo, Hojo Masako, Tomoe Gozen, Nasu no Yoichi, Taira no Kagekiyo...
221	* Moving on to outside China and Japan, it is worth noting that making games out of the mythologies will become different from other things Koei made: It doesn't involve grand scale wars (Warriors: Legends of Troy and Bladestorm did involve wars). It would be another venture for Koei to chronicle things like [[Myth/ClassicalMythology Heracles and the 12 Labors, Jason and the Argonauts]], [[Myth/NorseMythology Gotterdamerung]]... but I believe it will be worth it.
222	** Actually, I'm thinking more of something like Battle of the Gods. Have every pantheon fight each other and it would be an all-out war on the divine realm, no need to involve the humans. They might not need to add guys like Yoshitsune or Kiyomori but those guys have supernatural abilities unlike the DW/SW characters whose "magic" abilities are shown for gameplay. It would be really interesting if they add the ''Dynasty Warriors: Strikeforce 2'' characters like Shi Huangdi and Xiang Yu.
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224	!There will be a DLC or expansion focusing on Ragnarok
225	The story of the Norse gods seems to be incomplete which means that there will obviously be a DLC or expansion regarding Ragnarok [[spoiler:and how Loki infiltrated Olympus]]. This also means that Thor, Freyja, Tyr and other Norse gods will be playable.
226	* This can be good to expand Odin in one of these two: Is he a TragicVillain that surviving Ragnarok twisted him, or has he been twisted since the beginning realizing that he's gonna die one day that he went every ways to stop his death, thereby he actually ''modified'' Ragnarok so that he's left alive (instead of him being the mid-early casualty), at the cost of every other Norse Gods? This might explain why [[spoiler:Loki]] is pissed at him...
227	** The game already answered about [[spoiler:Loki's]] reason for revenge: [[spoiler:Odin depowered him and killed all his friends]]. After that, [[spoiler:Loki used what's left of his power to disguise himself as the Greek half-mortal, Perseus]].
228	** Apparently, the ''Ultimate'' expansion will have a side-story regarding Odin.
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230	![=DW9=] and Spirit of Sanada characters will be DLC
231	There should be a reason why you don't spot their names amongst the generics, they're saving for an eventual DLC.
232
233	!Dark Joan from ''Bladestorm: Nightmare'' will be featured
234	Perhaps this would be why Joan returned in ''Ultimate''... they do want to capitalize on their darker take from ''Nightmare''. Additionally, 'Dark Joan' as a concept has been highly popularized by [[VideoGame/FateGrandOrder Jeanne Alter]], so Koei Tecmo may want to capitalize on that.

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