| 1 | '''Spoilers Ahoy.''' |
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| 3 | [[WMG:Composers are [[http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_Spirit "Princes"]].]] |
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| 5 | [[spoiler:This idea is reinforced by the fact that Koki Kariya alludes to Joshua Kiryu as being a "little prince".]] |
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| 7 | [[WMG:Joshua is Mr. Twister.]] |
| 8 | There are a few things in the Japanese lyrics which resound throughout the entirety of the game: |
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| 10 | English: Mr. Twister; moist with roistering. |
| 11 | Japanese: Mr. Tsuisutā; "motto" to uzuku monsutā. |
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| 13 | The Japanese lyrics translate as "Mr. Twister; a monster which aches 'more'." |
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| 15 | Remember what Neku calls Joshua at the end of the game? |
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| 17 | * Joshua: [[spoiler:"The winner gets to be the Composer, and do whatever he likes with Shibuya. If you win, you decide. If I win, I decide. ...Of course, I've already decided."]] |
| 18 | * Neku: "You're a monster..." |
| 19 | [[spoiler:Also fitting because Joshua is the Composer; in Shinto religion, the flow of the air and the wind, and all sorts of weather, were believed to be controlled (or at least influenced) by various spiritual entities, especially the metaphysical kami. Additionally, Joshua is capable of twisting reality, any extent of motion/activity and use of psychokinetic energy in the UG would appear as wind in the RG, and, to top it all off, Joshua is such a devious [[MagnificentBastard bastard]].]] |
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| 21 | "Douran no pāwā wa sukurīmu." |
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| 23 | This translates as "the power of commotions is a scream"; it's strongly reminiscent of the scene at the end of the game, [[spoiler:after the 3 weeks, during which the people of Shibuya are conversing with each other loudly and Neku exclaims "What the hell!?",]] which shows the power and resilience of Neku's soul and his ability to relate with other people, which helped him survive throughout the Game. |
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| 25 | "Nishiki no dorīmu wa sukurīmu." |
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| 27 | The translation for that is "the brocade's dream is a scream"; it resembles what [[spoiler:Another Day Joshua tells Neku (that "the very fabric of Shibuya is woven within these walls")]] shortly before you get the opportunity to play through the Final Time Attack. |
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| 29 | [[WMG:Neku's final entry fee was everyone.]] |
| 30 | The reason why the game's name in English is The World Ends with You is because, at the last day, [[spoiler:once Joshua challenges Neku, or, rather, forces him to enter a final Game to have a chance to kill him and take his place as Shibuya's Composer, and Neku refuses to shoot him,]] what Neku loves most (those he desires what's best for) is ALL PEOPLE - everyone, no matter how evil they are - and, consequently, once [[spoiler: Joshua kills him (again), everyone is erased with him, and they all go to hell.]] This is reflected in Neku's soliloquy after the end of the game, during which he mentions how the city - the world - is physically the same, but the people are created anew. It may also have been the cause of [[spoiler:Neku's unwillingness to kill Joshua (because he valued him as well),]] although that may also be the result of a personal anagnorisis that everything which has happened was all his fault, and that it simply demonstrates what hatred he held in his soul (as shown by Joshua's expression that he'd "rather just get rid of them" just as Neku did at the beginning), which he bore severe remorse for and let what happened happen, inadvertently proving that people do change and can understand each other, and that people just need to open up to, desire what's best for, and simply care about each other - that he was given a chance to kill the person he had every existential reason (every concern with the things of humanity, which people would typically be concerned about; a Composer has power over everything within his city's domain, and is probably the closest thing to a god anyone will know, and Neku knew [[spoiler:he would be erased if he didn't try to kill Joshua, and he really did have a chance to become Shibuya's new Composer if Joshua was actually sincerely offering him the opportunity to kill him and wasn't screwing with him]]) to want to kill, and, furthermore, every incentive to outright hate (to hope his soul would wither in hell, that Sheol-like state of erasure), and he refused. Alternatively, he [[FateWorseThanDeath drove him to the point at which he didn't want to live, and forced him to live, anyways.]] This might also effectively demonstrate how Neku knows he should value and care about people in spite of how terrible they can be. The possibility that Neku's final entry fee was all of humanity is also strongly suggested by [[spoiler:Hanekoma's claim that he created a new, optimal parallel world]] in the game's final Secret Report. |
| 31 | ** While this is very good and understandable, hear me out: this isn't Neku's entry fee, but '''Sanae's'''. From the Secret Reports, it reads: "Minamimoto is my backup plan to ensure Shibuya's survival. If the Composer does not change his mind, this unique city will be lost. I must prevent that at any cost." It is clear that Sanae loves Shibuya '''very''' much, to the point where he became a Fallen Angel just to let Shibuya thrive once more. In all honesty, it seems like Sanae loves the people of Shibuya and Shibuya itself more than Neku. |
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| 33 | [[WMG:The sequel will be about Joshua's rise to the rank of composer]] |
| 34 | A silhouette that has an odd similarity to Joshua's hair has shown up on the countdown, with a second very vague silhouette with what appears to be reaper wings on the right side of the 104 building. It would also contain a little piece information that never showed up in the original: just how could mere mortals beat someone as obscenely strong as a composer? would they just concede defeat easily? or take the route Josh took and leave it to a game of chance? or some other explanation that will end up being explored if this theory is right? |
| 35 | * original poster here, and my explanation was proven wrong by the countdown being for a remake... but if there does end up being a true sequel than maybe this theory can come true. |
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| 37 | [[WMG:Joshua was Neku's Dead Friend]] |
| 38 | On floor 13 of Pork City in Another Day, Neku mentions having a friend who died a few years back, and this is implied to be the reason that the main Neku is antisocial. The friend died while Neku was at a CAT mural, the same place Neku was when he was murdered by Joshua. Composer Joshua sees other humans as wastes of space, similar to Neku and in the vein of many teenagers, while his knowledge of youth culture far exceeding his knowledge of adult culture indicates that he became composer very recently, or hasn't aged emotionally in the same way he still looks 15. He acts very different to the way he did while playing the game on Week 2, which could be interpreted as proof that his player persona was a charade. The only way to become a composer is to defeat the current composer, and while it is not known if Joshua did that or was the original, his knowledge of "Jacking Shibuya" seems to imply that he dethroned his predecessor. The fact he knows so much about Neku tells me that either his powers are much greater in the RPG than we are lead to believe, or he's known Neku for a long, long time. Combined, these details lead me to believe that Neku's friend who died on the way to the CAT mural actually overthrew the then-composer and became Joshua. Though Neku doesn't recognise Josh even with his memories, shape-shifting is a common reaper power, so it isn't unrealistic to assume that he isn't using his real body, or that, like Shiki, his most prized possession was his appearance, the one thing that tied him to his old life. Plus, Square Enix [=RPGs=] do tend to use these sort of twists based on relationships a fair amount- Final Fantasy VIII has the infamous "Orphanage" revelation, or Doan being the descendant of Crono and Marle in Chrono Trigger. |
| 39 | * This would also explain the INeverToldYouMyName moment between Josh and Neku at the beginning of the week! |
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| 41 | [[WMG:Red Skull pin in RG is the equivalent to the Player pin in UG]] |
| 42 | Think: Makoto popularizes Red Skull pin, and, meanwhile, gives one to Nao and to Sota. Then, OH SHI-, Nao and Sota die. Probably, while holding onto Red Skull pins. And - bingo! - they enter the Game, ''because'' they were holding onto them. So, if you die while you happen to have a Player or Red Skull pin, you enter the Game. Pro argument is that Red Skull pin is based specifically on a Player pin, and Megumi didn't notice this feature of a pin, or didn't want to change it to maximize the quantity of Players in the Game. |
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| 44 | [[WMG:The lyrics to "Twister" make perfect sense, and the Conductor is Mr. Twister himself.]] |
| 45 | Oh, that Kitaniji. Always... mixing things up. Oh, and the candy cane was a canned recovery pin. What else... Oh yeah, Transformation is a message from the Conductor to the Reapers, Neku, and the Composer. |
| 46 | My interpretation. |
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| 48 | * "Brain wave, main wave" |
| 49 | ** This does in fact refer to Kitaniji's plan, using an AssimilationPlot to create a main thought or brain wave. |
| 50 | * Psycho got a high kick |
| 51 | ** Indicating that Neku, who is Psycho according to some secret reports, is the only one who can stop it, |
| 52 | * Collect and select |
| 53 | * Show me your best set |
| 54 | ** This refers to the pins, indicating that he needs to take it seriously. |
| 55 | * "Crystals, blisters" |
| 56 | * It's all over now |
| 57 | ** The crystals are clear and impenetrable, just like thoughts are; however, they also cause conflict and pain, hence the "blisters" part. |
| 58 | * Psycho cane |
| 59 | * You're so keen |
| 60 | * I need more candy canes |
| 61 | ** Considering this shows up when Uzuki and Kariya appear on the screen, I believe this refers to them. A cane has implications of punishment. The Pyscho cane therefore is [[AxeCrazy Uzuki]] and the candy cane is in fact Kariya. The "you're so keen" part might be another taunt. |
| 62 | ** Alternatively, the Psycho cane part could refer to Kariya, who figured out what was happening in the games, if only somewhat. |
| 63 | * "Cold cake, cold break" |
| 64 | ** This one's easy. Cold cake is sort of a deathday cake, a reverse of a birthday cake (which with birthday candles is normally hot). Cold cake indicates how unexpected Neku's death was. |
| 65 | * Freak got a high kick |
| 66 | * Mr. Twister |
| 67 | * Moist with roistering |
| 68 | ** The fact remains that "freak" is used exactly like "Psycho" is. I believe this is Joshua this time, however. A Twister would be a manipulator. Moist with roistering means approximately, made damp with rudeness. In the secret reports, it is stated that Joshua is stressing Neku, making him sweat with his rude behavior. |
| 69 | * Stick it up |
| 70 | * Take it up |
| 71 | * Step aside and see the world |
| 72 | ** This one is pretty easy, VideoGame/TheWorldEndsWithYou -- it's up to Neku if he wants to see the world outside himself. |
| 73 | * Effect has defects |
| 74 | * "Take a bow to the moon (Bow-wow to the moon)" |
| 75 | ** As the secret reports stated, Neku's "defect" was his unstable Soul. The "effect" created a Soul versatile enough to allow him near-infinite pin mastery. However, even with this power, Neku is essentially serving Joshua (who uses the moon as his highest Player attack). |
| 76 | * "Morning rays, Hairspray Queens" |
| 77 | * "Get on their way to their nests, the west" |
| 78 | ** This one's a sad interpretation. The Haispray queens are Shiki and Eri due to their fashion obsession. Morning rays represents life, the west sunset or death. Eri is alive and Shiki is dead. |
| 79 | ** Another sad interpretation is how the lyrics represent the hivemind set of modern society and standards. Each waking day, dedicated to unity with others through pure material obsession and desires. The west likely means the cultural standards of the world being that of European and American ways of life and fashion. |
| 80 | * "Honest, they once had a dream" |
| 81 | * "Belles of society, in the shells of their unity" |
| 82 | ** This refers to the Bito siblings. They aren't as close because of internal conflict, especially Beat's first entry fee. But Rhyme's entry fee was lost and therefore she "Once had a dream". |
| 83 | ** Second sad interpretation for this one. People were born and filled with hopes of dreams, driven with well intentions and pure hearts, before society threw down their ideas and dreams as folly and unaesthetical. |
| 84 | * Cornet'n spinet |
| 85 | * "The sound flows, follows till they're home" |
| 86 | ** Coronets and spinets are both instruments, therefore these are referring to the players who have to follow the game's rules till they come back to life. It's notable that "Neku" is Japanese for "sound", suggesting that they can find success if they follow Neku. |
| 87 | ** Symbolic of the sounds of repetition and everyday routine until the day is over with. |
| 88 | * Dragged by the power of dreams |
| 89 | * That power is yet unknown |
| 90 | ** The only reason they want to do this is their own ambitions. The game doesn't know whether they're worth the effort until they prove their potential or "power" themselves. |
| 91 | ** People are still driven with desire, dreams, and motivation, but they have not taken the time in themselves to discover, learn, or understand their inner turmoils and complexities of what they want. They are also dragging on lifelessly day by day, with their weight of insecurities and unresolved inner turmoils being the chains and weights that drag them down. |
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| 93 | [[WMG:The sequel will take place in another city.]] |
| 94 | This is basically a given; dialogue states that each city's game is completely self-contained, implying that every city has its own Game. |
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| 96 | [[WMG:Mr. Mew is a demon.]] |
| 97 | Shiki points out that she can't really control him at all (presumably, he slashes while she carries him to the target with telekinesis). And apparently, Shiki animated him with a process called "psychomancy"... |
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| 99 | [[WMG:Mr. Mew is Shiki's soul]] |
| 100 | It's not her body she's using, but a psychic shadow of Eri's, therefore the only thing from the Real Ground is Mr. Mew. The psychic connection is so strong, she just thinks the body she's in is the Eri Shadow. |
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| 102 | [[WMG:Rhyme's Entry Fee was her own Death]] |
| 103 | Okay, so Rhyme, in addition to being The Messiah, is also deeply suicidal. Due to the many problems at home, she welcomes death and oblivion open armed. This is the reason why, in spite of being consumed by Noise, which The Secret Reports state [[spoiler:will destroy the soul, and the associated imagination forever]], she [[spoiler:comes back in the end]]. |
| 104 | * I thought the game stated that Rhyme's entry fee was her dreams, whilst Beat's was Rhyme's memories of him? |
| 105 | ** It wasn't outright stated, just made obvious. |
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| 107 | [[WMG:Rhyme's death was a suicide, due to an unattainable dream that was her Entry Fee]] |
| 108 | She had thrown herself into traffic, not intending for Beat to unsuccessfully try to save her. According to the Secret Reports, the original reason for the Entry Fee was to [[spoiler:force Imagination to players; her losing her previous Dreams also will hopefully enable her to move on and pick something more attainable.]] |
| 109 | * This is disproven by Beat in W3 D4 when he told Neku that Rhyme had been chasing him when he ran out of the house after a fight with his parents. She never intended to be hit by a car. [[spoiler:The Secret Reports also disproves the other as well, since you have to have a good amount of imagination in order to even play in the game. Another report states entry fees are taken for someone to strive for in order to get the most precious thing they have back, testing the will you have to obtain said thing, along with a second chance at life.]] |
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| 111 | [[WMG:Neku is a reincarnation of Literature/HaruhiSuzumiya]] |
| 112 | His past was evidently as someone who thought of other human beings as nothing more than chaff to be discarded -- so he forced himself and a few others, those he found it worthwhile to care about, even by proxy, into a Closed Space where most people WERE nothing more than empty, hollow figments. He created both the [[spoiler:Composer and Creator, as well as most of the Reapers]], as a way to ensure that he would have something to do, and someone to care about, through his trials in that Space. |
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| 114 | [[WMG:The Reaper Game is indeed part of Haruhi-sama's plan, but she's not Neku.]] |
| 115 | The Reaper Game is how Espers are actually made in the Haruhi-verse. When Haruhi-sama's subconscious chooses a follower, you don't think she'd let something as paltry as ''death'' excuse them from her service, do you? No! They're put through a grueling training process where they have to fight lesser people's negative emotions; and they have to justify themselves as unique beings in a world Haruhi-sama sees as full of conformity. Should they win, they return to life as an Esper; prepared to deal with the Celestial Beings that are ''Haruhi's'' Noise. There is the option of [[spoiler:going up the ranks of Reaper/Conductor/Composer/Angels]] but that's delving into places mortal minds can scarcely comprehend. |
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| 117 | [[WMG:Sho Minamimoto is still alive.]] |
| 118 | Note, Neku and crew see his "body" under a car and vending machine while heading towards the Composer. It seems EverythingFades after dying; so he was just incapacitated, not killed. Despite being such a massive jackass, he's the only Reaper who is really interested in ''art'', which is the supposed reason for the Game; this probably is what saved him. |
| 119 | * You-Know-Who did say that Sho was merely "retired early" from that particular Game. |
| 120 | ** [[Franchise/HarryPotter Voldemort]]? |
| 121 | |
| 122 | [[WMG:The current batch of Reapers were corrupt, resulting in the Conductor's interference]] |
| 123 | They were ''cheating'', essentially. Most Players are killed on the first day by Noise without even being told about the Game and that they had to get Partners. Reapers relied on Noise far too much and their conversations imply they didn't expect ''any'' Players to succeed. [[spoiler:The Secret Reports imply that normal Games have a more equal Player/Reaper survival rate to ensure Imagination is the cause of survival; to either recruit new Angels or else resurrect Artists. The reason that Shibuya wasn't generating any Candidates lately was because the current Reapers were destroying them.]] |
| 124 | * I thought Neku was the only one who didn't know the rules of the Game, and that only because his memory was gone. |
| 125 | * This troper, having read the Secret Reports, thought it was relatively obvious that Kitaniji was trying to conceal the fact that the Composer was absent and therefore ''couldn't'' bring anyone back to life by making sure there was no one to resurrect. When that failed, he began bending the rules more and more (using a Player who already won as an entry fee, disqualifying Neku for something his partner had done before the Game without his knowledge or consent, making sure there were no other Players in the third Game, etc.) to make sure the survivors were erased. |
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| 127 | [[WMG:Joshua is [[spoiler:Neku's Best Friend who died in an accident and has since ascended to Godhood]]]] |
| 128 | [[spoiler:Another Day, Pork City makes it clear that Neku, in that world, had a friend, his only friend who died going to meet him. This mixes well with what Neku says after Rhyme died "I feel terrible, it's just like that one time", plus the whole "You start to care about them and then you get hurt" and then at the end when Neku said that Joshua was a friend he could relate to. So... Neku and Joshua were God Buddies, and when Neku eventually actually dies, they'll both be Angels together, just in time for the Sequel.]] |
| 129 | ** I doubt it. Neku's memory was returned in full at the end of Week 1 (except for [[spoiler:his death]]), but for the entirety of Week 2 he regards Joshua as a complete stranger. Also, considering how much Joshua grated on him initially, it just plain isn't likely that Neku would have tolerated him outside of the Game. |
| 130 | ** BUT. [[spoiler:Joshua is the ''Composer''. I'm sure he can change his form to whatever he wants, including a person Neku doesn't recognize.]] Eh, eh? |
| 131 | ** Its also possible that Neku doesnt recognize him because [[spoiler:Joshua is withholding that memory from him]] This could be backed up by Neku's reaction to the memorial during week three, he's getting deja vu, but like in week one, he cant remember why |
| 132 | ** This also explains the INeverToldYouMyName moment between Joshua and Neku... |
| 133 | ** For one, This Troper totally buys this, and thinks it makes the game just that much more awesome. |
| 134 | ** And, they'd [[HoYay make good fuckbuddies.]] |
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| 136 | [[WMG:The events of The World Ends With You are simply part of a pen and paper RPG cooked up by a sufficiently clever GM]] |
| 137 | The Reapers keep referring to one of them running that week's Game as the Gamemaster. The Reapers also speak about the various rules of the game (and being constrained by them), even though they themselves dangerously powerful, can live lives in both the RG and UG, and supposedly rule over life and death itself. Even though the game should last 7 days, many missions refer to having a 60 minute time limit, suggesting that time is as flexible as needed by the Game. All these facts are also common features of pen and paper [=RPGs=]! Neku and the other main characters (Beat, Rhyme, Shiki, Joshua) are all [=PCs=], and Mr. Hanekoma is the GM. Obviously the system they're using has some form of permanent death system [[spoiler:(Rhyme's death); Mr. Hanekoma setting up the Rhyme Pin was just the GM creating a clever workaround for the pact rule; Beat's defection to the Reapers was just character development and a way to avoid the problem of what would happen to the Beat/Rhyme pair for the next week; Shiki winning the Game and later returning was simply due to her player bowing out of the group and later coming back.]] Neku's ability to use so many pins is a result of NOT min-maxing: all the other [=PCs=] did and as a result reduced the number of pins/abilities they could use, in return for more power for the attacks they COULD use. Co-incidentally, this actually sounds like an awesome pen and paper RPG, and this troper would actually like to play it... |
| 138 | * And now you have [[Tropers/InsanityPrelude me]] wondering about how TabletopGame/{{GURPS}} could be adapted to the Reapers' Game... Hmm, ability to use more pins comes out of your character point pool? Neku took some mental/social disadvantages (Loner, Bad Temper...) to get more pins? |
| 139 | ** Actually, everyone takes at least 1 disadvantage, in the form of the entry fee. Everyone except Neku focused their points into one or two attack skills (Beat: skateboarding, Shiki: psychomancy, or however she controls that cat thing, Joshua: his laser beam move and dropping stuff on people), Neku spread his points around so that he could master as many pins as possible (possibly due to an indecisive player?). |
| 140 | ** That explains why Joshua is such an asshole. His player's a {{Munchkin}}. |
| 141 | *** Actually, Joshua's player being a {{Munchkin}} explains Joshua completely. "Oh, not only is he a living human who can interact with the UG, but is [[spoiler:also the Composer of the Reaper Game]], and he can summon random large objects with his phone. Oh, and he can call down celestial laser beams." |
| 142 | *** Incidentally, Minamimoto would be something The GM created as an anti-{{Munchkin}}. [[spoiler:He had an attack with INFINITY damage, (which Joshua worked around by going in to a whole other dimension, probably said he took Nekky too, but dropped him in the Room after.) He fails, Mr. H makes another workaround where he just says "Okay, and he comes back worse than ever!" with that sigil crud. Of course, even this didn't work in the end game, with Pi-Face under a god darned vending machine, but you knew Mr.H had another sigil in the hallway in case he needed his guy to save the day.]] |
| 143 | ** Pins are a perfect example of the chip set form of modular abilities. |
| 144 | |
| 145 | [[WMG: The Conductor's entry fee is his life in Shibuya.]] |
| 146 | Dialogue never establishes what Megumi Kitaniji lost in order to play the 30-day game against the Composer. However, it makes sense. An entry fee was paid. Kitaniji says several times how much Shibuya means to him, and that's why he's competing against the Composer in the first place. And yet, of all the Reapers in the story, he is the only one who is never seen on the streets of Shibuya. At no point does he cross "the river". For someone who cares about the district so much to never set foot in it, the most likely explanation is that he can't. Because it truly was the most valuable thing to him... |
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| 148 | [[WMG: Neku's Composer-induced amnesia results in feedback when meeting with similarly powerful individuals.]] |
| 149 | This is bizarre, but hear it out. Almost every time Neku talks to the Conductor or Producer, he blacks out and can't remember the details of the conversation until the next day. This doesn't happen when he talks to any other people. And the only times this ''doesn't'' happen, the Composer happens to be nearby. The same Composer who is forcibly keeping him from remembering certain important details. There has to be a connection. |
| 150 | * This may also explain why Neku's head hurts whenever he is around Minamimoto, seeing as Sho's abilities are almost on par with the Conductor's. His imagination isn't quite strong enough to erase Neku's memory, but perhaps it's strong enough to give him a headache. |
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| 152 | [[WMG: Joshua possessed Mr. Mew during Week 1]] |
| 153 | Shiki says that she's not really controlling Mr. Mew, and Neku wonders if it's possessed. How else would [[spoiler:Joshua, hiding out in the RG,]] be able to watch Neku? Plus, when first reaching the Statue of Hachiko, you see him in the background, but once the pact is made, he vanishes. |
| 154 | * {{Jossed}} in the manga at least, where Joshua, er... [[HoYay stalks Neku during Week 1 and takes a photo of his backside from behind a corner]]... |
| 155 | |
| 156 | [[WMG: The Composer was really just trying to get a worthy successor and quit.]] |
| 157 | [[spoiler:Joshua never really intended to destroy Shibuya; that was just a goad to get Kitaniji involved. Being who he is, Joshua framed it so one of two things would happen: (1.) Kitaniji would erase Neku and -- because Joshua became Neku's partner -- end up erasing Joshua, as well, and so become Composer, or (2.) Neku would win, at which point Joshua would hand him a gun and challenge him to one last game. Neku would shoot and so become Composer.]] |
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| 159 | [[spoiler:His plans derailed when Neku didn't shoot, and he somehow ended up changing his mind on the matter, probably by Hanekoma talking and/or knocking some sense into him.]] |
| 160 | |
| 161 | [[spoiler:And why he didn't just let Minamimoto shoot him? He probably liked Neku better, or else just wanted to see how the game he'd set up would play out.]] |
| 162 | |
| 163 | [[WMG: The Composer was in fact planning to destroy Shibuya, but had changed his mind by the endgame.]] |
| 164 | Somewhere along the line, during his observation of [[spoiler:Neku and his attitude towards the world]], the Composer changed his mind. He resolved that regardless of how everything turned out, [[spoiler:he would not destroy Shibuya. Perhaps additional inspiration came from meeting AD Neku and Joshua? Hmm....]] |
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| 166 | [[spoiler:By this token, the last Game in the epilogue was not a bastardly secret test of character, it was a JOB OFFER. Either Neku shot and killed him, becoming the new Composer and creating a "new" Shibuya, or he shot and defeated Neku, remaining the Composer and taking "his" Shibuya in a new direction.]] |
| 167 | |
| 168 | [[WMG: The "Last" Game had an entry fee for both as well.]] |
| 169 | Related to the above: Every Game in the UG has an entry fee, regardless of whether it's the Reaper Game or between Reapers. So what do Neku and [[spoiler:Composer!Joshua]] pay? |
| 170 | |
| 171 | For Neku it's [[spoiler:his friendship with Joshua. If he won their Game, then he might understand what Joshua was up to (by virtue of Joshua's Composer..iness being passed down to him), and would still be able to see Joshua a friend. However, Joshua would be dead, so...]] |
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| 173 | For the Composer, it's [[spoiler:Neku's trust in him. If Neku won, then Neku would lose his trust in Joshua by virtue of the fact that Joshua would be dead. Trusting a corpse to do much is a losing prospect at best. If Joshua won, then when Neku woke up back in the RG, he could start to trust Joshua again, because he wouldn't actually be dead anymore. But, their friendship would be forfeit, because this troper is incapable of believing that Neku would want to be friends with someone who had killed him once.]] |
| 174 | * [[spoiler:But in the Epilogue with Neku's big speech addressed towards Joshua at the end, he says "I've got friends now, getting together for the first time in a week! See you there?" proving he does consider Joshua his friend, even if he can't forgive him for the things he did to him.]] |
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| 176 | [[WMG: The Music that plays is actually what Neku is listening to at the time.]] |
| 177 | ...On his headphones. |
| 178 | * You can actually buy the TWEWY OST, full of the songs that played in the game. Now even you can feel like Neku with assorted Jpop-ish songs perfect for ignoring people as you walk through a crowded mall. |
| 179 | |
| 180 | [[WMG: Neku isn't listening to music on his headphones.]] |
| 181 | It's my theory that Neku only wears the headphones so that people will leave him alone. Why would he toss them away in the ending if they had good music on them? Also, have you ever tried to talk to someone while wearing headphones like Neku's? It's not easy. |
| 182 | * I like to think that he just switched over to earbuds. As for talking, he just plays them low enough that he can still hear. |
| 183 | * Also of note: Neku's idle animation. |
| 184 | ** Would you disturb someone tapping their foot, clearly enjoying the music they're listening to? And for the fact that he does it mid-battle; I assume he's done it for so long it's become a habit. |
| 185 | * He tosses the headphones away because no one stores music, good or not, on their headphones. |
| 186 | |
| 187 | [[WMG: Joshua and [[Manga/DeathNote Near]] are brothers separated at birth.]] |
| 188 | Think really hard about this one. Joshua and Near are too much alike for it to be pure coincidence. Both of them are young, white-haired, InsufferableGenius pretty boys who nine times out of ten will refuse to give a straight answer, [[TheChessmaster enjoy using people as tools to get what they want]], have girly voices, and enjoy toying with their easily-pissed off partner. Don't you dare try and tell me it's a coincidence! They could actually be twins, considering we don't know [[spoiler:Joshua's [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld real age]]]]. |
| 189 | * What if they're one in the same? |
| 190 | * Not to mention Joshua likes solving mysteries. If Joshua "is" Near, then...it's not too much of a stretch to assume Mr. H is really Mr. L. Scruffy-looking guy, willing to do immoral things for the greater good...[[spoiler:and Joshua's predecessor, if you're into the theory Mr. H was the previous Composer before Joshua kicked him out like the insufferable little punk he is]]. This brings up the question: If Mr. H is L, and Joshua is Near...does that mean Beat is Kira? Think about it... |
| 191 | |
| 192 | [[WMG: Sho Minamimoto is a savant with a mental disorder.]] |
| 193 | He's obviously a very talented mathematical genius and a reaper prodigy, able to recite three columns of Pi at a whim and summon Taboo noise [[spoiler:thanks to Hanekoma]] at will. At the same time, he's anti-social, arrogant, and shows the general make-up of a young sociopath. He frequently collects heaps of junk to the point of hoarding. He's shown narcissistic, sadistic and obsessive-compulsive tendencies, and in Another Day devotes his time almost exclusively to pins. Keep in mind this troper has no psychological expertise, but Sho can be summed up as Joshua if Joshua had been dropped on his head at birth. |
| 194 | |
| 195 | [[WMG: Minamimoto is actually a [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Heartless]].]] |
| 196 | It would explain a lot about him. Comparing him to Xehanort's Heartless: He has the golden eyes, the dark skin, the tattoos on his chest, the ''insanity''. He summons the Taboo Noise because they attack anyone, similar to regular Heartless, and when he [[spoiler:came back through the Noise refinery]], his appearance changed because he became a purer form of Heartless. That would also explain [[spoiler:why he didn't fade away when trapped under the scrap heap. He wasn't destroyed by a Keyblade.]] |
| 197 | * Related: Taboo Noise are actually Noise/Heartless hybrids. |
| 198 | * Why can't Noise just be a subspecies of Heartless? |
| 199 | * Aren't Noise usually just the soul warped? This could make them either [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Nobodies]] or [[Manga/{{Bleach}} Hollows]]. |
| 200 | * Doesn't the game explain the Noise as being akin to a spiritual form of static? The secret reports make a few references to reality being much like sound waves, and that moving between the RG, UG and higher planes of existence is much like tuning a radio to the right frequency once you know how, with Noise being a semi-intentional by-product of this system. This explains why Noise are so lethal to residents of the UG: the erasure metaphor is more literal than it first seems, as losing to the Noise means your effect on the "wave" of the UG is erased from existence (hence why Rhyme could only be brought back as a Noise herself). It also explains why Taboo Noise are illegal to create: not only does it cause more Noise to enter the system (potentially destabilising it), but because they're much more powerful than other Noise, they're harder to defeat (a point of great worry for the Reapers, who could be reasonably be expected to eliminate excess Noise personally or at least use them against the Players). |
| 201 | * With the arrival of ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'', it becomes more likely that the Noise are somehow related to the Unversed - the Noise generate negative emotions, while the Unversed are the product of them. Their aesthetic is also in general slightly closer than the resemblance between the Noise and the Heartless or Nobodies. |
| 202 | |
| 203 | [[WMG: The world Neku and friends inhabit is a parallel to [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Sora's world]].]] |
| 204 | Considering the general premise (battling creatures that exist solely because of the negative emotions people feel) and the similarities between the protagonists and antagonists (Neku=Sora, Shiki=Kairi, Sho=Heartless, etc.) not to mention the game and the series were made by the same devs... |
| 205 | |
| 206 | [[WMG: Shiki is a [[Manga/{{Bleach}} Bount]].]] |
| 207 | Mr. Mew is her doll. She's just too nice to suck the souls out of people. Among other things, it explains Mr. Mew "doing his own thing" in fights. |
| 208 | |
| 209 | [[WMG: Neku's final entry fee]] |
| 210 | Neku's entry fee for [[spoiler:his final shootout with Joshua was his previous three weeks in the Reapers' Game. By revealing that everything had been a set-up to stop the Conductor, and let the Composer destroy Shibuya, Joshua took away everything that those three weeks had meant to Neku -- learning to trust people, having that trust broken, finding out the town he pegged as small and stifling and empty wasn't any of those things.]] (Because Neku made the right choice in that final Game, his entry fee was repaid in full.) |
| 211 | * The Secret Reports make it clear that Neku ''lost'' his final game against Joshua -- whatever his fee was, he didn't get it back. |
| 212 | Alternative theory: Neku's entry was the parts of his personality that make him different from [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Sora]]. >.> |
| 213 | |
| 214 | [[WMG: Joshua's Entry Fees]] |
| 215 | Everyone who plays the game has to have one. Yet they never talk about Joshua's. He has to have paid them, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to play. And the price had to be what he valued most. Now, what could the fee be, [[spoiler:for who is basically God and is planning to destroy the place he's in charge of? His entry fee for the first game was his control of Shibuya. Basically he was no longer the Composer until he won, having grown bored of it all and seeing it all as a waste. The only thing he valued was his power and position.]] However, the entry fee for his second Game is something he finally found even more valuable. [[spoiler:His friendship with Neku. He gave it up to play that final game. That's why he's so sad in TheStinger because, having ''lost'' his final game, he can never interact with his friend again.]] |
| 216 | * [[spoiler:Joshua cheated his way into the game, therefore he didn't pay an entry fee.]] |
| 217 | * ...Wait a minute, [[spoiler:how is it that Joshua ''lost'' his final game? He shot Neku, and therefore he won. Just because Neku was doing the right thing by not shooting doesn't change the fact that he failed to shoot Joshua, and so he lost.]] |
| 218 | ** [[spoiler:It's the fact that Neku ''didn't'' shoot. The whole "You have to shoot me." thing was a test for Neku, who couldn't bring himself to kill anyone, even his own killer... Thus, Joshua lost.]] |
| 219 | *** [[spoiler:If Joshua lost, then why is he still Composer, and not Neku?]] |
| 220 | *** Joshua lied. Duh. |
| 221 | *** Ah, of course. I'm too used to being in fandoms where you can actually trust characters to not lie about everything. |
| 222 | * Don't the Secret Reports explicitly state that [[spoiler:Joshua defeated his proxy, Neku? Unless Mr. Hanekoma is lying AGAIN, but why would he lie about that?]] |
| 223 | ** Defeated doesn't mean killed. [[spoiler:Neku and Joshua had different win conditions. Joshua won by default because Neku backed down, thus keeping his rank of Composer, and Neku won because he made the right choice not to shoot Joshua. Joshua is sad, therefore, because he is still the Composer and thus can't interact with Neku (because Joshua is now on a higher plane of existence).]] |
| 224 | *** So they both won and lost? That's... a little complicated. [[spoiler:And it could be Joshua doesn't even have an entry fee. Reapers are involved in the Game, but they don't put up one every week, it's only the Players, who grow from that anyway or perish. Why would the Composer have to put forth an entry fee, even in a Game suggested by him?]] |
| 225 | *** Victory conditions were specified; failure conditions were not. That's how I see Neku getting out of it. I'm not convinced, however, that Joshua had to pay an entry fee; by his own admission, [[spoiler:he snuck into his game in the UG, so presumably he dodged the entry fee requirement]]. |
| 226 | |
| 227 | [[WMG: The entire game is one massive jab/cheap shot at fashion trends.]] |
| 228 | * Several of the reports state that the whole point of the Game is to [[spoiler:force Imagination onto the players, and to help resolve the players' personal issues. The very reason the Composer wanted to erase Shibuya was because he thought people were becoming too distant from each other. Kitaniji's plot to win his game with the Composer was to link everyone together in one giant trend: the red skull pins. Between this and the insinuations in the secret reports, it leads to The World Ends With You delivering one message rather clearly: people who mindlessly follow trends have no imagination, and tend to live in their own little bubbles! Obviously, someone at Square-Enix has been on the wrong end of some fashion faux pas...]] |
| 229 | ** That someone in Square Enix is, of course, Nomura. This is all revenge for everyone mocking his zipper/belt-laden tastes. ''"Just because it's not 'conventional' fashion, you mock me!? You dirty sheep!"'' Et cetera, et cetera. |
| 230 | *** Nomura was the main character designer in TWEWY, so... possibly? I would have thought the main character designer would be pro-fashion trends though... |
| 231 | ** I dunno, the game seems neutral on the subject on trends. On one hand they can be used to properly express yourself, as shown with the Prince, but if you let yourself be influenced too much by them you just won't be... you, anymore. Plus the main characters--with the exception of Beat--seem up-to-date or trendy, even Joshua. |
| 232 | |
| 233 | [[WMG: Shiki committed suicide.]] |
| 234 | I think this is kind of a given. Consider Shiki's lines about hating herself. Consider Eri's pauses around the word 'accident' when talking about her death -- they seem to indicate that there's something more to it. After finding herself in the UG as Eri, she may have decided that life was worth living after all and set out after a partner. |
| 235 | * That would also explain why Mr. Mew was the only thing that she could control, and (if we can believe the secret reports), [[spoiler:the idea of the Reaper's Game was to give imagination to players]] then it is possible that her power only extended to the one object that related to her happiest memories. |
| 236 | * I would think she would only find herself in the UG after agreeing to play the Game, and if she really wanted to kill herself, why would she make an attempt to come back to life? |
| 237 | ** Because, she regretted killing herself. |
| 238 | * Also that would make Eri feel guilty of "Killing" her best friend, as she told her that she wasn't cut out to be a designer, giving her the will to give up on everything. |
| 239 | * Sorry, I like that theory as well, but I have to disagree. First off, Eri doesn't, in fact, pause around the word 'accident'; and secondly, Shiki initially only tries getting back to life because she gets to be in Eri's body. But as the Game progresses, she realizes that she'd rather give up on life. If she had killed herself, she wouldn't regret it, and she wouldn't have even gotten into the Game and gotten Eri's body. So I think it was a genuine accident, and she went along with the Game. Only then, when even being Eri wasn't enough for her, did she admit to herself that she didn't want to come back to life (until talking with Neku and seeing Eri during the Game convinced her). |
| 240 | * It's probably worth mentioning that the Japanese word for "accident" (事故, ''jiko'') is often used to describe incidents where people jump in front of trains. |
| 241 | ** But did she actually use the word 'accident' in the Japanese version? |
| 242 | * The fact that Shiki wants to get back doesn't automatically mean she didn't kill herself. It's not uncommon for someone to commit suicide and realize that they really don't want to die once it's set in motion. The way Shiki talks about hating herself and feeling worthless is a pretty common symptom of depression, and the crash back into that thinking after getting {{Hannibal Lecture}}d by Higashizawa makes it at least plausible. |
| 243 | |
| 244 | [[WMG: Joshua is Literature/HaruhiSuzumiya]] |
| 245 | Haruhi finally had it and destroyed her universe, only rebuilding Shibuya, complete with people coming back from the dead, a lot of espers and psychos, alternate universes, death-gods, angles, ect. ect. |
| 246 | Of course, she set herself in the center of everything as the great, almighty Composer, who everybody envies and knows. (Thous restoring her own world back to what it was like, before the baseball-stadion incident) |
| 247 | She made herself a boy, since she didn't want any more male admirers, they just annoyed her. Neku is Kyon, but Haruhi/Joshua made him indifferent and sociopathic, so he wouldn't fall in love with no-one else, because he/she wanted him for her/himself, but undid this via character-development, when his/her unconsciousness realized, that he/she liked him better when he was still normal. Shiki is Mikuru, he/she made her unattractive and plain, so nobody would ever fall in love with her again (especially not Neku/Kyon), but that was pretty much blown by the entry-fee thing. Notice that Mikuru loved to buy clothes SHE(not Haruhi's cosplay-madness) liked, as much as Shiki does. Probably the trauma of Haruhi's forced cosplaying with her is still there and this is, why she pays such deep attention to trends, never to be embarrased again. Where the other characters ended up? That's still open for speculation! |
| 248 | * Jossed, Joshua's entire motivation for destroying Shibuya was to prevent it from corrupting the other areas which means, they have to exist. Also, the Composer is far from almighty; he/she has no power outside his/her city (which of course with the above theory is irrelevant), can not restore the entry fees of players who lost, and has less power than the angels (and in fact is only capable of interacting with the Producer). |
| 249 | ** However, this theory could work with a little tweaking, in particular, Haruhi tried to rewrite the universe but either the Data Integration Thought Entity or the Sky Canopy Dominion (or one of their interfaces) hijacked her powers before the rewrite was complete. The hijacker then divided her powers amongst various people (these people would thus be the Composers). The hijacking entity itself is/are the angels and the Producers are humanoid interfaces. |
| 250 | |
| 251 | [[WMG: Neku played the Reaper's Game for four weeks.]] |
| 252 | After Joshua shot him in the ending, there's a seven-day delay before we see Neku again. There's also a seven-day delay between the end of the third Game and the point when Neku finally goes to meet Beat, Rhyme, and Shiki. The Reaper's Game lasts... yep, seven days. This is probably to allow for Neku to appear in the inevitable sequel to provide a tutorial, and take the first Game's come-back-to-life-free card so that the new lead gets stuck in a similar series of multiple Games. |
| 253 | * Yeah, yeah, Kitanji claimed Neku wouldn't get another shot. He was either lying due to not being able to enforce it, using weasel words and the impending end of Shibuya to make it "true" despite not being able to enforce it, counting on his own success at his Game with the Composer to ''give'' him the authority to enforce it, or just had his ruling overturned by Joshua. |
| 254 | * If this is true, then how do you explain the people standing in a circle pointing at Neku the fourth time he wakes up in the Scramble? |
| 255 | ** Other players, perhaps? |
| 256 | *** While that's possible, consider how things are animated in TWEWY. They reuse animations/screens whenever possible -- I mean, all the hands (for the timers, holding Rhyme's pendant, etc.) are the same, no matter whose hand it's supposed to be. So I think the fact that a different animation is used when Neku wakes up in the scramble at the end is supposed to send a message that this time, something new is happening. |
| 257 | *** The first day of the game establishes the artistic 'code' that plot-unimportant Players are displayed in colour and plot-unimportant citizens in the RG are grey silhouettes. The ring of people surrounding Neku when he wakes up in the Scramble for the last time are grey silhouettes, which were meant to match/contrast the silhouettes that pass him every other time. Neku did not play a Game in that 7-day gap. QED. |
| 258 | *** Also worth a mention, the "7 Days Later" gap occurs after Neku's "WHAT THE HELL!?" So he woke up in The Scramble, thought he was playing the Game again, yelled in a crowded area for no apparent reason, presumably got looked at funny, and then went to Hachiko, meeting at least Shiki, if not the others. This also justifies his statement about meeting up with his friends for the first time in a week. |
| 259 | |
| 260 | [[WMG:[[Manga/XxxHolic Yuuko Ichihara]] has something to do with the Reaper's Game.]] |
| 261 | The whole business with the entry fees sounds suspiciously similar to her '[[EquivalentExchange price equal to the wish]]' thing. Perhaps she's the one who takes the entry fee (along with any memory of her involvement from Reapers and Players alike, as her price for the Reapers hiring her). Or maybe it's just that whoever invented the Reaper's Game in the first place knew her and modeled the entry fee after her way of doing business. |
| 262 | * Or Ichihara's shop runs an archetypal, personal Game, or she is God or Satan in the Angel/Reaper hierarchy. |
| 263 | |
| 264 | [[WMG:Hanekoma and Joshua are related.]] |
| 265 | Hanekoma is in fact Joshua's older brother, and they [[spoiler:staged a coup of Shibuya UG as partners a long time ago]]. In addition, this would make [[spoiler:The Mormons]] right. |
| 266 | * Or he's Joshua's father. Joshua is a Jesus figure. A Greek writer named Celsus once claimed that Jesus's real father was a Roman soldier named Panthera. What's the name of Hanekoma's noise form? Panthera Cantus! |
| 267 | |
| 268 | [[WMG:Neku becomes a famous author or artist by the sequel.]] |
| 269 | His "fiction" series ''The Reapers' Game'' was a smash hit. The main character loves his work. Alternatively, he could go into art like Mr. Hanekoma. |
| 270 | * Stop making Neopie Paranoid. |
| 271 | |
| 272 | [[WMG:"Players" of the Game are in a coma.]] |
| 273 | This would explain how they can come back to life without everyone in the real world getting all confused by dead people being resurrected, and why Eri talks about Shiki having had an "accident", as opposed to having died. While their souls are playing the game in the UG, their bodies are lying in a hospital somewhere, unconscious. If they're erased, they die for real. |
| 274 | * Evidently, this means that Sam Tyler is also a player; replace Shibuya with 1970s Manchester in that case, however. |
| 275 | * One problem. Neku wakes up at the scramble crossing. Presumably, he hasn't been lying there in a coma for weeks. And it'd be a bit much for the Composer to drag him out of the hospital and dump him there for a laugh... |
| 276 | ** There's also the memorial/offering that had been left for Beat and Rhyme at Miyashita Park. Admittedly, this troper doesn't know much about how the Japanese regard coma patients, but wouldn't an offering for the dead be a bit premature if that was the case? |
| 277 | * This troper believes that the memories of everyone in Shibuya are rewritten so that they completely forget about the Players merely being comatose. |
| 278 | * Actually, like many Square-Enix games, some of the story isn't present in the "story", if you catch my drift. If you scan the minds of random people, some interesting tidbits show up. One man describes how he often sees people disappear and reappear out of thin air, especially in Udagawa, so I think this indicates that they simply reappear where they died. |
| 279 | ** I'm pretty sure that guy was talking about how you become visible in stores. |
| 280 | |
| 281 | [[WMG: Multiple Reapers' Games are run each week]] |
| 282 | The reason Beat and Neku fall asleep before completing the mission in Week 3 is to prevent them from getting involved in other games. |
| 283 | |
| 284 | [[WMG: In the Another Day universe, the Reaper's Game is...]] |
| 285 | You guessed it, Tin Pin Slammer. Because ''why not.'' |
| 286 | * Then why are there noise in Another Day? (Besides the obvious) |
| 287 | ** To get better pins to play with. |
| 288 | * Since this is an alternate universe, it is very likely that the members and maybe even the hierarchy of the Reapers are completely different. |
| 289 | |
| 290 | [[WMG: Neku's final entry fee is [[spoiler:his determination to win]]]] |
| 291 | That's why he couldn't [[spoiler:shoot Joshua]]; it's similar to the third entry fee in that [[spoiler:it makes winning impossible]]. |
| 292 | |
| 293 | [[WMG: Kitaniji was a poor judge of character.]] |
| 294 | [[spoiler:Kitaniji acts as if Joshua is correct in every decision he makes, including ''erasing him'' and destroying Shibuya. But really, wasn't Neku's entire character development about learning that Shibuya and the people in it always had potential, he just had to see it? Joshua needed to learn the same lesson as Neku did -- neither of them saw worth in the city, while it really wasn't so horrible all along. Even with the powers of the Composer, he still had the maturity of a bratty and isolated teen, and Kitaniji's worshipful attitude was a big mistake.]] |
| 295 | |
| 296 | [[WMG: The sequel will take place in another part of Tokyo, possibly Minato]] |
| 297 | |
| 298 | Why Minato? The Tokyo Tower is there! Also, in the sequel Shiki and Eri will be a famous Desinger-Duo and will have their own brand, called "Sherry" (Notice the pun?), Rhyme will be a famous singer (because of her name, her sweet voice, and how much I think the song "Someday" fits her), Neku will work for Gatito and be married to Shiki. Beat will be dead and has been playing the Reapers game in cycles for almost 20 years (Therefore, an important NPC in the game). Why? Because I like the idea! |
| 299 | * That would be awesome. The only way it could be better is if Neku had ascended to Angelhood. (Presumably Beat would be a Reaper to be playing The Game for that long.) |
| 300 | * Well, I actually wanted to turn that into a fanfiction, but School stress got in my way... Don't worry, I'm a good fanfiction author. Never got any bad critique on my fics. Oh yes, and I also would like to have Neku be accended to angelhood. |
| 301 | * When you are finished, supply a link. |
| 302 | * Back on topic, the Angel hierarchy would very likely be explored in more detailed. |
| 303 | * That can work, after all thay [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shibuya-ku_in_Tokyo_Prefecture_Ja.svg are]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Minato-ku_in_Tokyo_Prefecture_Ja.svg Neighbour.]] |
| 304 | * This Troper would rather it be in Shinjuku. We've already gone with the big city approach, let's try a smaller town. The Tokyo Metropolitan Government Building could be that game's 104. |
| 305 | |
| 306 | * This Troper feels that Akibahara has some GREAT possibility for the sequel. Instead of Pins, Japanese phone cards will be the new Psyche medium, and the brands will range from a spectrum of entertainment companies, from video game developers, anime production companies, manga publishers, and even to movie studios, Japanese idol agencies and hobby content manufacturers. We can also only hope for a Macross Missile esque psyche as well. Plus some insight on the issues of the world as well ;3 |
| 307 | |
| 308 | [[WMG: The Game works much differently in other regions' UG.]] |
| 309 | The Composer's position is used to create the rules of the Game. Given unlimited power to change the workings of the world, two different people would probably not decide on identical rulesets. Given the significant differences between the personalities of the named Reapers in Shibuya, there probably isn't a particularly [[spoiler: Joshua]]-esque Composer to every region of the UG, so... |
| 310 | * Can we at least assume that Noise exist everywhere, and therefore play a role in each region's UG? (On that note, I just imagined several different uses of Noise in said games: a Pokemon-style game, a mounted combat game where you can ride various Noise into combat, and, um... Franchise/MyLittlePony-type Noise. I'm going to assume the last one is the fault of having a female Composer. And of course, the Furry in me has to offer up the idea of the players becoming Noise in a game, or at least developing their own Cantus forms.) |
| 311 | *** As a fellow furry, I want to see that idea come to life. |
| 312 | ** Oh, dear... it seems that, in suggesting this WMG, [[{{Tinweasel}} this troper]] has created a monster. Though a monster with potential entertainment value. |
| 313 | ** I smell OC fanfictions. Set in New York, Los Angeles and other famous cities. |
| 314 | ** Please do. Not since Franchise/{{Pokemon}} have I seen such potential for videogame ElsewhereFic, and we could all use a break from Neku/Joshua. |
| 315 | |
| 316 | [[WMG: Joshua only shot Neku in the end to remove his last entry fee from him]] |
| 317 | I think, Joshua wasn't wanting to destory Shibuya anymore, since he made friends with Neku. However, when he revealed that he was the composer and the one who set up this whole chaos, Neku's character-development may not have dropped to zero, but he was so shocked that he probably thought that he should never have trusted anyone and that trusting people is just a way to get hurt over and over again. And THAT'S what Joshua took for Neku's final entry-fee: The experience, that he can't trust anyone on this world. Then, he shot Neku, erasing his entry-fee. Afterwards, he reset Shibuya to the first day of the first week bringing everyone back to life in the process. Notice that Joshua never said "If I win, I erase Shibuya". He says "The winner get's to decide. Of course, I've already decided." He never said, WHAT he decided. In the end, Neku stated that he didn't forgive Joshua, but trusted him. This makes much more sense, if you consider this theory. |
| 318 | Also, many people think that Neku had to play the game again, since he woke up on the scramble in the end. But I think, that he actually woke up in the RG version of the scramble. You should notice how the sounds in the background suddenly decrease, as soon as Neku opens his eyes. I think, that's not a "dramatic pause", but just the people going all like "WTF? Where'd that kid come from?!" Neku himself probably thinks, that he's still in the UG (like the last three times he suddenly woke up in the scramble. Additionally, he's just REALLY confused, giving him a good reason to shout "WHAT THE HELL?!". |
| 319 | * Adding to the fact that Neku never played a fourth Game is the fact that, if you look in the background, there is a circle of people around him, pointing to him. |
| 320 | |
| 321 | [[WMG: Ex-Player are the some of the Shopkeepers ]] |
| 322 | Think about it, Why would they sell the Pins all over Shibuya, if the Pin make the Player Psych work (More better), and give clothes that help the Player, Food to feed the Player, tag that No Employee see to remove, and how thay seem to be kind to the Player if the Player shop that long enough? I not saying all the Shopkeepers were Players in the Games. I mean Maybe some (like Makoto) are clueless about the games. But Just Think about it. |
| 323 | * It's stated IN-GAME that Ex-players go on to become artists or in some other way creatively active. Shopkeepers are not exactly known for being very creative. Also, most of the things you buy are casual stuff like clothes and, well, food. And face it: Nearly every store in the world sells pins or badges those days. (At least were I life. And Shibuya's probably the same) Also, I suspect you to be eighter Beat or Google-Translation. For obvious reasons. |
| 324 | ** I would be Beat Yo! That again Serious Business is SeriousBusiness |
| 325 | ** Lapin Angelique shopkeeper Princess K is mentioned several times to be the designer/creator of many of the clothing items in her shop; to ko-robber-ate, a guy in one of the music stores says he'll burn you a CD of his latest music, indicating that he's probably a singer-songwriter, even if he dresses like a square. not to say that all the shopkeepers are designers/players - just that it's pretty possible for some of them. (princess K still gives me Morticia Addams vibes, though. ) |
| 326 | *** You know, actually... scanning stray thoughts and reading threads info will reveal a lot more about shopkeepers' secret lives : you've got many designers, a few musicians/singers, a DJ, a dancer, a comedian, a [[SeriousBusiness skateboarder]], a football player, etc. They DO make a mark on society since people are thinking about them. And then of course there's Gatito, whose buyer is CAT, and there's Ken Doi in AD... (and then there's Tatsuya Omura). In short, you really may be on to something here. |
| 327 | ** And apart from that, this guess is IntentionalEngrishForFunny. |
| 328 | ** Note that Ken Doi [[spoiler:is the one leaving you all the hidden packages during the postgame]], so he's probably in on it too. Who says Ramen can't be an art form? |
| 329 | |
| 330 | [[WMG: Rhyme is able to move between the upper and lower Noise Planes]] |
| 331 | In the first week, it's established that players can't see each other's battles when they're fighting the noise, but Beat claims Rhyme is the one who figured out how his attacks work. Since Beat doesn't appear to have the ability to move between planes when he's your partner, Rhyme must be the one with that ability. |
| 332 | * Though Shiki does tell Neku to focus his thoughts on her during battle to help with her attacks early in the game, so there's probably some sort of psychic link given by the Pact. |
| 333 | ** So, Rhyme's ability to see Beat is akin to Neku's ability to see Shiki. |
| 334 | |
| 335 | [[WMG: The Ministry of Finance and equivalent groups around the world are run by the angels]] |
| 336 | The various mints exist solely to explain where new currency comes from, when they need to change the amount of currency available they simply ask the Composers to change drop rate and or value of the pins. |
| 337 | |
| 338 | [[WMG: Neku and his partner's shared HP is a side effect of the Harmonizer pin.]] |
| 339 | Thus explaining why Beat didn't get erased when Rhyme did. |
| 340 | * Neku and Shiki share HP before he gets the Harmonizer... |
| 341 | ** Plus, Beat was well on his way to being erased when Rhyme did. Hanekoma had to work ''fast'' to make a pin for Beat to sync with, otherwise he'd have been toast. |
| 342 | |
| 343 | [[WMG: The ability to spend any amount of time on a mission is not a case of GameplayAndStorySegregation]] |
| 344 | It is a side effect of the Composer's absence, which as noted in the Secret Reports makes the rules of the Underground invalid. |
| 345 | * Maybe that why on week 3 time seen to fly away [[spoiler:'cause the Composer is in another world.]] |
| 346 | |
| 347 | [[WMG: This story is backwards.]] |
| 348 | [[spoiler:Kitaniji]] is TheHero, and [[spoiler:Neku]] is TheDragon, not the other way around. [[spoiler: Working under the assumption that destroying Shibuya is BAD, that would mean the person trying to save it-- Kitaniji-- is the real [[WhatTheHellHero Hero]] of the story. Because Neku is-- however unwittingly-- both protecting and fighting for the Composer, he would be in the role of the Composer's dragon (up until his HeelFaceTurn once he understands the situation. However, because (a.) Neku is the viewpoint character and (b.) Kitaniji comes across as a jerk with the limited information the character is given the first time through and (c.) Kitaniji is loyal to the Composer despite the current situation, things come across the other way around.]] |
| 349 | * How exactly do you justify [[spoiler: Kitaniji brainwashing everyone through the Red Skull pins]] then? If anything deserves a WhatTheHellHero moment... |
| 350 | ** [[spoiler: I noted the WhatTheHellHero in a pothole up there, and it is true that he's a WellIntentionedExtremist at best and a KnightTemplar at worst. However, given the time limit he was working with and the fact that everyone in Shibuya would probably have been dead or worse had the Composer gone through with his plan, a few days of brainwashing was probably a fairly efficient way to prove his point and win the game. After all, on top of changing all of Shibuya to please the Composer (and do note that the Composer did say he liked Kitaniji's idea just before he was erased, so it probably would have worked if it wasn't for that meddling kid) he had to keep the Game running and attempt to prevent the Composer's proxy from erasing or otherwise stopping him. Although he does start to border on worryingly fanatical during the final scenes... although I, at least, wonder if he was always that way, or if the month and/or his entry fee broke his sanity somehow. He seems a tiny bit different during the brief flashback to before his Game.]] |
| 351 | |
| 352 | [[WMG: Shiki's actually played two weeks of the Reaper's Game. Furthermore, the first week playing was with Eri as her partner.]] |
| 353 | Shiki knows WAY too much about playing the game, even if we assume that of course she'll know more than Neku does thanks to his LaserGuidedAmnesia; there's no way she'd understand not only how to use the pins, but also that ONLY Mr. Mew worked, prior to making a pact unless she had already discovered this while in a pact in a previous game. This is why Eri not only refers to Shiki's death as though she could return (because she knows Shiki could still be playing), but also why Shiki gave up her appearance; the first time around, Shiki felt so worthless in comparison to playing beside Eri (who sounds like she'd be a total "psych whiz" like Neku) that she wanted to become Eri in subsequent games rather than admit that she wasn't good enough as herself. The Shiki/Eri week was several weeks if not months before Neku started, as otherwise Eri wouldn't have been able to return to life in the RG otherwise, but everything else fits (including why Eri rocks as a designer -- she developed her soul / Imagination while playing the game, thus when she came back, she was an artistic genius!) |
| 354 | * There just two things wrong with that theory: |
| 355 | ** Mina talks to Eri about her desings in the Realground and how she hasn't made any, since Shiki is death, meanng, that she was great BEFORE Shiki had the accident, not afterwards. |
| 356 | ** The whole fight between Shiki and Eri, that made part of Shiki's angsting over comeing back to life, was based on a missunderstanding, they had when Shiki tried to desng something in the RG. If Shiki and Eri spent a week togheter afterwards, she would sure have explained Shiki how she really meant it and Shiki would have had no reason to angst over this missunderstanding. |
| 357 | *** I said it took place FAR before the current game. As in "Shiki and Eri were in one game together (after dying for some other reason besides those mentioned in the plot), came back, spent ''several weeks / months / years'' in the Realground being creative, then had the argument and the wangst right before Shiki died (again)." In other words, Shiki and Eri played a "straight" game (Composer and all) long before [[spoiler: Joshua's and Kitaniji's game]], hence Shiki's shock and surprise to discover that the Composer was not only not there at the end, but that she wasn't given a free pass back into life like last time. |
| 358 | *** I wouldn't say weeks, months, or years. Remember Uzuki and Koki's conversation? Uzuki had never seen a game run for multiple weeks in a row; Koki had, but stated that it was unusual. ''Three'' weeks in a row was practically regarded as unprecedented. |
| 359 | *** Correction, they said it was odd for them to be on duty for multiple weeks in a row. |
| 360 | *** You know, we don't know how long [[spoiler: Joshua has been the Composer]], maybe Shiki and Eri played the game from the previous Composer, and maybe this Composer wasn't a Jerkass like the current Composer. |
| 361 | |
| 362 | [[WMG:Another Day Shiki is ERI]] |
| 363 | Think about it: If Neku was just seeing her as Eri, Joshua wouldn't just call her Green because of her ''Skirt'', and she wouldn't say that her ''Boots'' are not made for sewer. Yeah, the real Shiki have Green ''Shirt'', and ''Sandals'' are not made for Sewer (or even walking outdoor a lot), But Neku ''sees'' her as Eri, I don't think that he hear what he want to hear too, as for the name well it just a name. |
| 364 | * Came to that conclusion as well. Also, her personality in Another day seems more like what Shiki decribed Eri to be like and less like Shiki herself. |
| 365 | ** See This Shiki ''have'' her personality, not ''acting'' as her and also she friend to Mina (and Nao-Nao somehow) and I don't know if our Shiki know Mina too, ''before.'' |
| 366 | *** ...aren't alternates allowed to have alternate lives/friendships/etc? Seriously, Konishi is Beat's teacher. It's plausible that Shiki can be part of a fangirl cheering squad. |
| 367 | *** Never think that Canon!Konishi ''was'' a Teacher before she lost her life? But You maybe right, I mean Higashizawa is Grily-Man and NO way that our Higashizawa was like that!! |
| 368 | *** Nonono, see, she seems to act like Eri because that's what we'd expect, seeing Eri's body instead of Shiki's. After all, Shiki did act like Eri for a while near the beginning~ We're used to Shiki looking like Eri, so we'd expect her to act the way she did before the whole TomatoInTheMirror incident which revealed that that wasn't indeed her body! It's just one big issue with perception. |
| 369 | *** Canon!Eri is friends with Mina. I dunno about you guys, but my bff and I are in the same social circle. There's no reason why canon!Shiki can't know Mina through Eri. |
| 370 | *** Ah, but Mina didn't know who Shiki was. |
| 371 | *** Well, I 'know' most of the people my bffs know by sight, but I don't actually know stuff like their names or how they know my friends. It's fairly possible that Mina would know Shiki if she saw her, but not her name or just by the fact that she and Eri were best friends. (Eri seems like she would have a lot of close friends.) |
| 372 | * Actually, if you scamper around Shibuya before entering the Tin Pin Slammer contest, a conversation with Joshua reveals that Nekku is subconsciously refusing to perceive Shiki as she actually is, but rather is too attached to the state in which he met her. |
| 373 | ** But, Another!Neku didn't meet Another!Shiki in the same way that Neku met Shiki. |
| 374 | *** Joshua actually talks to and about player there, as Neku truly doesn't understand one bit of his rambling, even of whom he's speaking, as you do not meet Shiki by that point (or just I didn't, but Neku doesn't understand either way). |
| 375 | * You know, RG!Shiki is very green. Well, yellow and green, but yellow's taken, and the green there is plenty for Joshua to dub her green. And RG!Shiki was wearing a skirt jacket shirt combo thing. Yeah, you mentioned the shirt thing but... As for the boots thing, we'll pass that off as also hearing what we want to hear as well as seeing what we want to see. Perception isn't just vision, after all. |
| 376 | ** You May Be Right... But really, Why would Neku see her as THAT. (Not saying, she is Bad Looking, Just OK) |
| 377 | |
| 378 | [[WMG:The reason why Joshua didn't erase Shibuya was because he in fact lost the Game.]] |
| 379 | When I refer to Game, I mean the one between Kitaniji and Joshua. Joshua limited himself to letting a proxy, Neku, play for him, and he himself had no bearing on the Game as far as winning and losing THAT SPECIFIC GAME went. If Neku wins, he wins. If Neku loses, he loses. Since Neku didn't shoot, and therefore lost that final game, Joshua lost his Game with Kitaniji. He might have won the final Game against Neku, which lets him do what he had already decided to do to Shibuya. And so, the next point. |
| 380 | * The entire thing was a set-up. Joshua was going to erase Shibuya because the people didn't change, so he goes and chooses Neku, who was entirely willing to kill someone to benefit himself on the second day with Shiki. If it is proven to him somehow that people can indeed change, then well, he doesn't erase Shibuya. Thus then Neku, in being unable to shoot Joshua who purposely acted like a humongous ass in those last moments proves that even cases like him can change. Aka, because of choosing Neku, Joshua's win condition for the game was that people couldn't change (Neku doesn't hesitate to shoot him), and his lose condition was that people could (Neku doesn't shoot). Neku changed, so he lost and therefore didn't erase Shibuya. |
| 381 | ** It might be needed to note that part of this troper's headcanon involves Joshua washing his hands of Shibuya by getting himself erased by his proxy's hand in his 'win' scenario. |
| 382 | ** This means that Kitaniji's running out of time was an illusion created by Joshua, which would explain why the first Secret Report implies that the Neku started playing at the beginning of Joshua and Kitaniji's game. As for the Producer's claim that the Composer beat the Conductor he did defeat him with Shiki, Neku, and Beat's help in the final battle, but that wasn't enough for him to win the game between them. |
| 383 | |
| 384 | [[WMG: Joshua lied to Neku in "Another Day"]] |
| 385 | In "Another Day" Joshua claims to have already beaten "you". If he is talking to Neku then this is false because "Another Day" has to take place before Neku's fourth game (when they played Tin Pin Slammer, Neku won). If he is talking to the player its false because both of Neku and Joshua's battles are non-interactive. |
| 386 | * Um... That Joshua claims to have beaten you, in a ''unseen, unplayed'' [=TinPin=]. But Hey, Maybe Neku is right he didn't Played [=TinPin=] with him at all, and is it funny that Never ever Play [=TinPin=] with Joshua in "Another Day..." |
| 387 | ** Didn't Neku beat Joshua in Tin Pin Slammer to win the right to wait for a mission rather than help with his errands? |
| 388 | *** Yeah but you didn't even Seen or Played. But Yeah Neku did beat Joshua on [[spoiler:Day 4 Week 2.]] |
| 389 | |
| 390 | [[WMG: Mr. Mew is posessed by the soul of Neku's dead BFF]] |
| 391 | Even though we learn that DeathIsCheap, we still don't find out whatever happened to Neku's BFF (the one, who caused his trauma) after his road-accident. |
| 392 | If he got erased in his game-run, his soul is eighter still in Shibuya or has become a noise, as the secret reports implie. |
| 393 | And Mr. Mew is a really, REALLY good fighter for a stuffed cat and seems to give his, errmm... very best. Ever seen this determination in his little button-eyes when fighting? And those CLAWS are surely NOT the doing of Shiki's grove-palm pin. At least I have never seen a car growing those when using such a Pin. |
| 394 | Also, Shik said, Mr. Mew was "doing his own thing", she was just lifting him up. |
| 395 | Therefor, Stuffed piggy... errmm, kitty is probably more than just a stuffed kitty. |
| 396 | Since Shiki probably doesn't have any dead friends, it maybe Neku's. |
| 397 | Or it's possesed by the "mean kitty" from Youtube. Eighter way, it would explain the mystery of "Nyan-tan" (Mr. Mew's japanese name) |
| 398 | * Well this is better then Joshua posessing Mr Mew. |
| 399 | ** Well, there's another WMG that says Joshua is Neku's dead best friend, so technically it could still be Joshua. |
| 400 | |
| 401 | [[WMG: 'Good Omens' is a distant AU of this game and at least one creator of the game has read it.]] |
| 402 | The End Of The World As We Know It, all on the whim of [[spoiler:a young boy]], which is [[spoiler:narrowly averted]]! [[spoiler:Angels]] with rarely-opened shops! Snakes who wear shades and black clothing! Although 'Good Omens' has a distinct lack of math fetishists, and TWEWY seems to lack Nice and Accurate Prophecies. |
| 403 | * That's just because there would be copyright issues if they copied all of it. And... wait, I'd say that the Nice and Accurate prophecies are a bit linked to the weird poem/prophecy that appears in the later stages of the game. So... it's a Japanese Good Omens. Awesome. |
| 404 | |
| 405 | [[WMG: Mr. Mew is possessed by Eri]] |
| 406 | Specifically, Another Day's Eri, thus explaining why she doesn't appear at all in Another Day. |
| 407 | * Well this is '''even''' better then Neku BFF or Joshua. [[TemptingFate What Next Mr H?]] |
| 408 | |
| 409 | [[WMG: Wild-Kat is always closed because Hanekoma is avoiding the reapers.]] |
| 410 | In particular, if Uzuki decided to go there after the first week his cover would be blown since she'd know that he wasn't a player or a reaper. |
| 411 | * Or the Player as will. |
| 412 | |
| 413 | [[WMG: Uzuki will be the next Conductor]] |
| 414 | It's established that Uzuki wants to make the game more rewarding for the Reapers and from what we see being the Conductor would be the best way to accomplish that. |
| 415 | * Why not Kariya? In a single day (Week 3 Day 4), he proves exactly why he'd be better for the position than the actual Game Masters, and demonstrates what the Game is supposed to be about. He puts Beat in a position where he runs into trouble due to his flaws (being stupid and [[spoiler:being responsible for Rhyme's death]]), but also gives him everything he should need to overcome them. (Especially if he trusts his partner.) He gives them a fight afterward, and a challenging one that erases the Players if they lose it, but he doesn't go all out and concedes the battle long before he is erased. And after he loses, he gives back the entry fee. [[spoiler:At least, he thinks he does.]] |
| 416 | ** Do he even want the Job? He did say he fine working as he is. |
| 417 | *** True. I propose that Uzuki will become the Conductor, what with her drive to succeed and ascend; Kariya, since he doesn't want the responsibility, will be her second-in-command (third? Given the structure of the Game) and her moral compass (sort of). With Uzuki's focus and Kariya's ability, The Game will reach new heights! |
| 418 | |
| 419 | [[WMG: Mr. H is possessing Mr. Mew ]] |
| 420 | Isn't everybody? |
| 421 | * This one probably makes the most sense. His brand is Gatito (Kitten) and Mr. Mew is Gatito brand as an item. |
| 422 | [[WMG: Everybody is possessing Mr. Mew]] |
| 423 | Originally, Neku and Shiki was erased in the first week and the red skull pins spread around the world eventually causing all of humanity to merge into one collective mind which decided that the current world was wrong and travelled back in time to possess Mr. Mew so that it could change the future. |
| 424 | ** ...Sorta like [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion End of Evangelion]] just without the orange tang? Wow...that is a distrubing thought. But it explains why Mr Mew is so good at fighting: it's dominant soul is that of Lilith. Also known as[[spoiler:Rei]]. Also known as [[spoiler:the Dummy Plug]]! |
| 425 | |
| 426 | [[WMG: Franchise/{{Pokemon}} Mew is possessing Mr. Mew.]] |
| 427 | Or a demon. Or a cat. Or maybe it's a heartless. Or [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Axel]]. |
| 428 | Or the Beldam from Literature/{{Coraline}} (it is stuffed, after all). |
| 429 | |
| 430 | [[WMG: We are possessing Mr. Mew.]] |
| 431 | After all we are Playing as the Player, and we have a [=DS=], D-pad (or [=ABXY=] Button)... |
| 432 | * But what about Auto Play? |
| 433 | ** The DS itself. |
| 434 | |
| 435 | [[WMG: Literature/HaruhiSuzumiya is possessing Mr. Mew, as are Shinji Ikari and some random Timelord]] |
| 436 | And Light Yagami, and Konata and Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne and Danny Phantom.... |
| 437 | |
| 438 | [[WMG: [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Spock(!!!!!)]] is possessing Mr. Mew.]] |
| 439 | After all those years of bottling up his emotions, they have to come out somewhere. And besides, it makes about as much sense as anyone else who's claimed to be possessing it. On that note... |
| 440 | |
| 441 | [[WMG: [[Franchise/StarWars Darth Vader]] is possessing Mr. Mew.]] |
| 442 | Why not? |
| 443 | |
| 444 | [[WMG: [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Kamina]] is possessing Mr. Mew.]] |
| 445 | Because he's just that HotBlooded. |
| 446 | |
| 447 | [[WMG: [[Franchise/MortalKombat Ermac...]]]] |
| 448 | or [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Geno]], [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI Kefka?]], or [[OverlyLongGag Shiki herself]] possessing Mr. Mew. |
| 449 | * Dear [[UnusualEuphemism Composer]], what madness have I unleashed? |
| 450 | |
| 451 | [[WMG: ____ is possessing Mr. Mew]] |
| 452 | Let see: |
| 453 | * Joshua |
| 454 | * Neku's dead BFF |
| 455 | * Eri (Another Day) |
| 456 | * Mr. H |
| 457 | * Everybody |
| 458 | * [[Franchise/{{Pokemon}} Mew]](one) |
| 459 | * [[DemonicPossession A Demon]] |
| 460 | * A Cat |
| 461 | * [[GrandTheftMe Mr. Mew]][[MindScrew (!)]] |
| 462 | * TheHeartless |
| 463 | * [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Axel]] |
| 464 | * [[Literature/{{Coraline}} Beldam]] |
| 465 | * [[NoFourthWall Us with the DS]] |
| 466 | * Literature/HaruhiSuzumiya |
| 467 | * [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Shinji Ikari]] |
| 468 | * [[WMG/TimeLord Some random Timelord]] |
| 469 | * [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Kamina]] |
| 470 | * [[Franchise/MortalKombat Ermac]] |
| 471 | * [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Geno]] |
| 472 | * [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI Kefka]] |
| 473 | * [[Manga/DeathNote Light]] |
| 474 | * Manga/PhantomThiefJeanne |
| 475 | * WesternAnimation/DannyPhantom |
| 476 | * [[VideoGame/EarthBound1994 Giygas]] |
| 477 | * [[Literature/BoogiepopSeries The world's potential]] |
| 478 | * Shiki Herself. |
| 479 | * [[WebAnimation/HomestarRunner The Cheat]] |
| 480 | * [[Literature/TheBible Jesus]] |
| 481 | * [[Film/ThePrincessBride Westley]] |
| 482 | * [[Literature/{{Discworld}} Rincewind]] |
| 483 | * JustForFun/TropeTan |
| 484 | * [[VideoGame/YumeNikki Madotsuki]] |
| 485 | * [[Music/TheBeatles John Lennon]] |
| 486 | * [[Film/ChildsPlay Chuckie]] |
| 487 | * [[CompanionCube Companion]] [[VideoGame/{{Portal}} Cube]] |
| 488 | * [[OverlyLongGag Several Frenchmen, over the course of the week]] |
| 489 | * [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Spock]] |
| 490 | * [[Franchise/StarWars Darth Vader]] |
| 491 | * [[IncrediblyLamePun A pig]] |
| 492 | * [[TheScrappy Scrappy Doo]] |
| 493 | * [[Franchise/{{Pokemon}} Team Rocket]] |
| 494 | * [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Yoshi]] |
| 495 | * VideoGame/{{Lufia}} |
| 496 | * The word 'possessing' |
| 497 | * Creator/AdamWest |
| 498 | * The Nintendo Wii |
| 499 | * A clichéd, overweight parody of Spock |
| 500 | * [[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration Wesley Crusher]] |
| 501 | * Creator/ChuckNorris |
| 502 | * [[Literature/{{Durarara}} Orihara Izaya]] |
| 503 | * [[Franchise/ResidentEvil Albert Wesker]] |
| 504 | * [[YouTubePoop Mama Luigi]] |
| 505 | * [[Manga/InuYasha Naraku]] |
| 506 | * [[Manga/CardcaptorSakura Cerberus]] / [[SpellMyNameWithAnS Keroberos]] |
| 507 | * [[Franchise/{{Pokemon}} Mew(two)]] |
| 508 | * [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyX The Fayth]] |
| 509 | * [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII The Occuria]] |
| 510 | * [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Xemnas]] |
| 511 | * [[Franchise/TouhouProject Alice Margatroid]] |
| 512 | * [[WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}} Vilgax]] |
| 513 | * [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Xehanort]] |
| 514 | * [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII Barthandelus]] |
| 515 | * [[Website/SCPFoundation SCP-239]] |
| 516 | * [[WesternAnimation/GeneratorRex ZAG-RS]] |
| 517 | * [[WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce The two voices (Serena and Bellicus) inside Alien X]] |
| 518 | * [[Franchise/TouhouProject Yukari Yakumo]] |
| 519 | * Drizzit Do'Urden |
| 520 | * [[Manga/{{Naruto}} Itachi Uchiha]] |
| 521 | * [[Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaViVid Asteion]] |
| 522 | * [[Anime/CodeGeass Marianne vi Britannia]] |
| 523 | * [[Manga/{{MW}} Michio Yuki]] |
| 524 | * [[VideoGame/{{Drakengard}} Caim]] |
| 525 | * [[Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt Reynardine]] |
| 526 | * [[Webcomic/{{Homestuck}} Lil' Cal]] |
| 527 | * Two or more of these people |
| 528 | * [[Franchise/{{Danganronpa}} Junko Enoshima]] |
| 529 | * YourMom |
| 530 | * [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking A jaywalker]] |
| 531 | |
| 532 | So far, So good. |
| 533 | |
| 534 | [[WMG:Mr. Mew is possessing us]] |
| 535 | * [[MemeticMutation In Soviet Russia, Mr. Mew possesses you!]] |
| 536 | |
| 537 | [[WMG:Mr. Mew is Shiki's Franchise/{{Persona}}]] |
| 538 | Mr. Mew, whilst being a physical object, is also posessed by Shiki's facade. From all the evidence avaiable (ie: He's a cat) Mr Mew is clearly a Neko Shogun meaning in a Persona game, Shiki's social link would be of the Star Arcana. This makes sence in a way, because Teddie's Social Link was that of the Star Archana and he has quite a few things to hide about his true self. |
| 539 | Also, Instead of using Personas, players (due to thier current status) are instead like personas and use thier powers directly. The pins just allow a better focus on said attacks. |
| 540 | |
| 541 | This also means: |
| 542 | [[WMG:The Noise are Shadows taken from wherever Shadows come from ([[VideoGame/Persona3 Tartarus]], [[VideoGame/Persona4 Midnight Channel]], whatever place they'll pop up in in ''Persona 5'') and agitated as to attack any player they see]] |
| 543 | * Except Players with pacts. Also FUCK YOU, OMEGA. YOU SHAN'T SUCCEED! |
| 544 | |
| 545 | [[WMG:The sequel will be a fight between angels and demons.]] |
| 546 | If you fight over 7500 rounds of battles (yes I get it, I'm obsessed)your ESP'r rank is Demon. Seeing as the pervious rank is Angel, Demons probably exist but haven’t come into play yet. |
| 547 | * Theoretically, we already have Demons- Fallen Angels. Would Demons be the worst kind of Fallen, or something? |
| 548 | ** Nice try, but Fallen Angels is a lower ESP'r rank. Lower than Angels if I remember correctly. |
| 549 | ** Even more fun: this troper has heard that in the Japanese game, over 10,000 rounds of battles earns you the rank of ''God''. |
| 550 | ** You can get it in the US version too, you just need ''exactly'' 10,000 [=ESPer=] points. |
| 551 | ** Wait a minute.... so this means-- |
| 552 | |
| 553 | [[WMG: VideoGame/TheWorldEndsWithYou eventually leads into Franchise/{{Disgaea}}.]] |
| 554 | Just read the entry above. It all makes sense!!! |
| 555 | Demons are descendants of the Shinigami, Angels are, well... you get the point. |
| 556 | Also, notice the simmilarities in the POINT of the main-characters CharacterDevelopment! |
| 557 | |
| 558 | [[WMG: [[FisherKing The overall "personality" of a city is determined by the personality of its current Composer.]]]] |
| 559 | And I quote: "As the Composer has changed, so Shibuya itself has metamorphosed." In other words, Shibuya was screwed up... because [[spoiler:Joshua]] was screwed up. |
| 560 | |
| 561 | [[WMG:Shiki and Eri are one of the Same.]] |
| 562 | Just think about it. |
| 563 | |
| 564 | [[WMG: Neku's final entry fee was the bullet in his gun.]] |
| 565 | Joshua had already decided to save Shibuya upon seeing Neku change and obviously wouldn't allow himself to die instead opting for last final mind-screw to see what Neku would do.After all, from Joshua's point of view, the one thing Neku would desire most at that point would be to kill Joshua and become the Composer. |
| 566 | |
| 567 | [[WMG: The first tracking application added to Joshua's phone tracks not only the Conductor's Imagination, but any Imagination directed against the Composer.]] |
| 568 | Hence its reactions to Sho's trash heaps and the Taboo refinery sigil. Relatedly, said trash heaps could possibly be concealing the sigils used to create the ordinary Taboo Noise. |
| 569 | |
| 570 | [[WMG: Literature/HaruhiSuzumiya is Joshua's mother]] |
| 571 | Because [[spoiler:she's god and he's Jesus....]] |
| 572 | * Given what we know about Haruhi, this means that Kyon is his father. Daddy would be very disappointed in him. |
| 573 | ** Given Joshua's personality, I'd say that Itsuki-Niisan came over to "visit" with New Dad Kyon a few too many times while Joshua was still impressionable. Possibly the Itsuki > Kyon led to the Joshua > Neku interactions? There are a lot of similarities... |
| 574 | * By that logic, [[spoiler:Hanekoma]] would be Joshua's father. It's quite plausible really. |
| 575 | ** Kyon is [[spoiler:Hanekoma.]] Explains why we never heard his real name. Everything makes sense. |
| 576 | |
| 577 | [[WMG: It's not the clothes themselves that give you stat bonuses.]] |
| 578 | Instead, they can act as more or less efficient conduits for your Bravery, turning it into raw power that grants you bonuses. Each item has a specific output range, i.e. there's both an upper limit to the amount of bravery it can convert into power, and a minimum amount necessary to make an item work. |
| 579 | |
| 580 | [[WMG: Secret reports is all a lie.]] |
| 581 | Make a Good [[FanonDiscontinuity/VideoGames Discontinuity]] don't you think? You never know [[UnreliableNarrator If he was really telling what he is saying,]] and if the Games was really about AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence [[FridgeLogic them why the Games was about winning a New Live?]] |
| 582 | ** The purpose of the game is to resurrect artists, and to recruit people to keep the game running. However, various inconsistencies can still be found in the reports. For instance they appear to cover the entire game between the Composer and Conductor, but that game lasted just over four weeks and the reports only cover three weeks. He also claims that their are several paralel worlds (e.g. Main Story World and Another Day World) ''within'' each plane (e.g. Underground and Realground). When in fact the planes exist within the worlds. Also he claims that differnt worlds have different vibes which if true would mean that travel between the worlds is actually trivial (e.g. your doing it everytime you enter or leave a shop). |
| 583 | |
| 584 | [[WMG: Each of the higher-ranked Reapers owns a chain of clothing.]] |
| 585 | Hanekoma, the Producer, has control of Gatito, which has the best pins and clothing in-game, while the others have less powerful items. Minamimoto has control of Tigre Punks (Note the messy art style and the "2" in one of the pins), Kitaniji owns Dragon Couture, Konishi has Pavo Real, and Higashizawa owns Sunshine Burgers (alright, not clothing, but...). |
| 586 | * Wouldn't Kitaniji owning Hip Snake make a lot more sense? |
| 587 | ** Maybe he owns both Hip Snake AND Dragon Couture, considering his Noise forms. |
| 588 | ** I doubt that they ''own'' any of them (with the exception of CAT), but I think you might be on to something with them at least ''representing'' certain brands. Neku and his partners all have one or two brands that they like and enjoy most of their stat bonuses from, like Neku with JotM and Shiki with D+B, so I don't see why the main Reapers should be any different. |
| 589 | ** Dragon Couture is definitively associated with Joshua, since it gives him the most bonuses and [[spoiler:the final battle, Draco Cantus, is basically Kitaniji hijacking his power]]. Konishi has Lapin Angelique. D+B is, oddly enough, not associated with Higashizawa, despite the bull imagery. And, for completion's sake, Wild Boar is a dead ringer for Beat's brand. |
| 590 | |
| 591 | [[WMG: Neku's fourth Game did not exist]] |
| 592 | Endgame: [[spoiler: The duel between Neku and Joshua was not a Game, it was a test of Neku's character growth. If Neku could undergo such a dramatic change for the better, there would be hope that the rest of Shibuya could do the same, and there would be reason to spare it from destruction. So if Neku chose not to shoot his killer, or allowed himself to be shot, that would be proof enough that Shibuya was worth saving. Thus Joshua fabricated a situation in which Neku would feel the most pressure to shoot: a Game.]] The Secret Reports confirm that Neku was defeated. Failing a mission means getting erased, which clearly did not happen, and thus Neku did not lose. But he could not have won, because [[spoiler: he did not become the Composer]]. If he neither failed nor completed the mission, it stands to reason that the mission did not exist. Furthermore, Neku did not have a timer. He had the same trick pulled on him in [=W2D3=]; he was so caught up in the prospect of a mission that he didn't bother to verify it. |
| 593 | |
| 594 | [[WMG: Neku's Best Friend is Joshua very first partner.]] |
| 595 | From Neku's Friend being Joshua, How about Neku's Dead Friend being Joshua's very first partner in the Games? |
| 596 | |
| 597 | [[WMG: People disappear in the Bermuda Triangle because there's a game area there.]] |
| 598 | To be more general, almost every single area on the surface of the earth is in part of a game area, but the Bermuda Triangle area is the only area where there is no land at all. Since no one lives in there, and thus no one dies, the Composer of the BT area has some different rules than Shibuya's Composer, mainly in that Reapers of the Bermuda Triangle area ''can'' go into the RG and kill people. Every single disappearance in the Triangle is due to Reapers killing them, and then removing the evidence by wrecking whatever the people were riding in. The only challenge is a week-long challenge, to stay afloat for seven days, by whatever means they can use. After seven days, the GM challenges all those who managed to survive. It's not impossible to fight Noise because there's an island on the Noise plane. If you manage to survive, the Conductor rewards you with a lifeboat; it would be ridiculously sadistic for someone to win, only to drown immediately and have to play over and over until you die. |
| 599 | |
| 600 | On a side note, because of the rarity of Players, there are few Reapers, and everyone instantly becomes a Harrier. Points also increase a Reaper's lifespan significantly more there than in Shibuya. |
| 601 | |
| 602 | [[WMG: The Composer regularly brings back Reapers who were erased.]] |
| 603 | IIRC, while thinking about Sho, Konishi mentions that he has an "impeccable player erasure record". Reapers [[spoiler:need to erase players to live]], so mentioning that about a Reaper who is still... er, alive, is redundant, like saying "he has an impeccable breathing record" about someone who is alive. Therefore, it's possible for a Reaper to be "alive" and not have erased the players they faced, suggesting that the Composer brings back erased Reapers, and frequently enough that someone's perfect erasure record is notable. [[spoiler:Kariya and Uzuki]] are exceptions to defeat=erasure because Neku holds back before they're erased, which is more than can be said for the other Reapers faced. |
| 604 | * Pretty sure that by "impeccable player erasure record" they meant that he killed off everybody. The idea behind being a good GM is not to pick them off one by one, Harrier-style, but to kill off players en masse with clever/difficult/[[spoiler:fucking impossible without being given the answers by the Composer]] missions. Which is something Sho's good at (even though he spends most of the second week not doing so in a conventional way; this can be forgiven because he has bigger plans afoot). |
| 605 | * It's been implied in the Secret Reports that you aren't supposed to actually ''play'' RocksFallEveryoneDies games, though, and that death counts should be even on both sides. Thus a legitimately unfair mission is foul play. On the other hand, it's indicated that this is his usual behaviour, and he's being praised for it, supporting the second Troper's point. It all comes down to whether Konishi or the Secret Reports' writer knows better about what makes a good GM. Maybe killing every player is a bad thing in ''other'' Composer's Games? |
| 606 | |
| 607 | [[WMG: The Game is real.]] |
| 608 | Or at least it would be, if the Reapers hadn't put up that pesky fourth wall. |
| 609 | * How is that a wild mass guess? This game has a Troper Tales page. That in and of itself is proof that its real. |
| 610 | * Who knows. Whenever they're talking to the Player, there's an equal chance that they're talking to you or Neku. Or maybe Neku's just meant to serve as an avatar of you within the game world. |
| 611 | |
| 612 | [[WMG: Neku was talking to the ''[[BreakingTheFourthWall player]]'' in the ending, and has always had MediumAwareness.]] |
| 613 | He trusts you. He trusted you to take him to where he had to go, and he trusts you to be able to figure out the ending and thus 'fix everything'. But he can't forgive you for [[spoiler:almost inadvertently destroying Shibuya]], and he can't forgive you for everything that's happening. The line 'You can't see it, but those three weeks were very hard for me' is actually a slam at the player's apathy. But still, without you he could not move outside of cutscenes. So he trusts you, he has to. He want's to see you there, when he meets up with Beat and Rhyme and Shiki. And you are there. He says "Did I mention? I've got ''friends'' now" because he never truly acknowledged them as his friends during the rest of the game. He want's you to know that he's got other important people in his life now. |
| 614 | [[WMG: VideoGame/TheWorldEndsWithYou is a part of the Literature/HisDarkMaterials {{Multiverse}}]] |
| 615 | We have three elements to people in both stories. |
| 616 | Body=Body |
| 617 | |
| 618 | Mind= Imagination The Psychs work by using Imagination. The Imaginations manipulates Dust into creating different effects on the world. |
| 619 | |
| 620 | Soul= Deamons When Uzuki explained how to create Noise she explicitly stated that Noise are made out of Soul. If the body was lost when a Player Dies. And Imagination (as described by the Secret Reports) is destroyed upon Erasure. That simply leaves the Soul taking on a deamonlike form. |
| 621 | |
| 622 | Erasure is simply dissolving peacefully into the universe which WordOfGod (ironic isn't it?) confirms is what most souls want. However those who have the will (Imagination) to keep existing play the Game. Like in Literature/HisDarkMaterials the best get turned into Angels. Like in HisDark Materials Angels are complicated in structure but look humanoid to humans and can travel through universes. |
| 623 | |
| 624 | [[WMG: Shiki is an Alternate Universe incarnation of [[Manga/FruitsBasket Mine]].]] |
| 625 | They're both dark-haired, bespectacled girls who beautifully sew clothes that were designed by their much flashier partners. Both get rather... excited when it comes to their field (Shiki and Neku's loose button; Mine and wanting to dress every cute girl she meets in frilly dresses), and both have the Chinese Zodiac as a major presence in their lives. The key difference between them is Shiki's low self-esteem and envy; after making it through the Game, it's quite possible that she'll grow up to be much like Mine is now. |
| 626 | |
| 627 | [[WMG: Shibuya is still screwed.]] |
| 628 | In TheStinger, Hanekoma tells Joshua that [[spoiler: it's "their" world and "they" decide what to do with it. The "they" that Hanekoma is referring to isn't Neku and his friends, but rather the Higher Powers That Be, who were actually backing up Joshua's plan all along. Even though Joshua changed his mind, the Plan's still in full swing but now without his consent, setting us up for the above mentioned sequel against the Angels.]] |
| 629 | |
| 630 | [[WMG: Hanekoma controls all of Japan]] |
| 631 | Think about it. [[spoiler: Joshua]], as the Composer controls all of Shibuya. Since the only rank above that which has been firmly established is Producer, it is likely that he controls Japan and every city within. This of course would mean that the next rank up controls all of Asia, and the ''next'' rank is God. |
| 632 | * Nice try but you're missing a step. Shibuya is a district in Tokyo. Hanekoma probably controls all of Tokyo. Knowing this is a [[TokyoIsTheCenterOfTheUniverse Japanese Game]] he may as well be god. |
| 633 | * Also, please note that judging by speaking styles in Japanese, Joshua is Hanekoma's boss rather than the other way around. (He uses -masu form and refers to Josh as a "kata" rather than a "hito" in TheStinger.) |
| 634 | * I always thought that was sarcasm, or their little joke. Sanae calls Josh boss in English, too, but [[spoiler: since according to the reports, Producers are angels and Composers are ''not'']], he still has to have higher authority. Still, since most souls fade out when they die, and so many people who play get erased, there can't be ''that'' many [[spoiler: angels]] in existence, so it's not completely unreasonable to assume that they'd be understaffed and need to at least watch multiple districts. It gives yet another reason why he's never in the cafe. |
| 635 | |
| 636 | [[WMG: Joshua played the game before he became the composer, but his partner didn't make it and was erased.]] |
| 637 | That's why his perception of people is just as negativ as Neku's. His partner had probably become his best (or possibly only) friend ever and he was so upset when this person, whom he shared his dream of escaping this hell of a game with, was just finally and completly gone, that he didn't take the offer to be revived. He was then instead made composer. Maybe he killed the current composer in an outburst of rage about the demise of his partner. Just like Neku was traumatized by the car-accident of his best friend, Joshua decided never to have such a close relationship again and hide himself under a mask of intrigues whenever he's talking to people, which is why we never actually saw Joshua's true personality. |
| 638 | * That doesn't make sense. Remember when even Joshua himself revealed that Players who've had their partners erased can only survive for about 7 minutes before they themselves are erased, such as in the case of Sota and Nao? He couldn't have had enough time to find the Composer nor to outwit and erase him. And since Psychs don't exactly work without a partner, I doubt Joshua could've eliminated the GM of the week on his own, after his partner got erased. |
| 639 | ** The GM and partner died in a [[DoubleKnockout Double Erasure]], problem solved. |
| 640 | * Alternatively, he and his partner didn't get the points to come back to life (a possible outcome, even if Kitaniji was lying about only Shiki qualifying for resurrection). Joshua chose to become a reaper, while his partner didn't want to, and instead chose to fade into oblivion. Joshua wasn't happy with his decision, though. |
| 641 | |
| 642 | [[WMG: [[Franchise/AceAttorney Diego Armando]] is an incarnation of Hanekoma.]] |
| 643 | They both love coffee and speaking in cryptic aphorisms. They both have that scruffy-cool look. They both know far, far more about the plot than they first appear to. Armando is ostensibly Hispanic and calls his girlfriend "kitten", while Hanekoma's brand is Gatito, the Spanish word for kitten. Think about it. |
| 644 | * Taking the premise that Hanekoma is [[spoiler: Diego post-mortem and that Mia and Misty were in the same place becuase they also got promoted to angels.]] I don't but the TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture, and time travel could be a possibilty. |
| 645 | |
| 646 | [[WMG: Neku's final entry fee was his status as the Conductor.]] |
| 647 | Assuming that you become Conductor the same way you become Composer (via the KlingonPromotion), [[spoiler: Neku defeating Kitanji made Neku the new Conductor.]] [[spoiler:Joshua]] either did not want [[spoiler: Neku]] to be his Conductor or did not feel that [[spoiler: Neku wanted or was ready for the job.]] The entry fee he collected, therefore, was [[spoiler: Neku]]'s status as the Conductor. |
| 648 | |
| 649 | [[WMG: Mitsuki Konishi is an Alternate Universe incarnation of [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII Jihl Nabaat]].]] |
| 650 | Every new piece of information we learn about Jihl matches up. First, there's their appearance (same general fashion sense, once you allow for the different settings, same glasses, just give Jihl a haircut and they've got the same hair, too...) Then there's their shared "cool, calculating" type of intelligence. Both of them hold ranking positions on the antagonist's side, and both of them trap a protagonist's beloved family member in an inanimate form and gloat about it. Finally, there's one of Jihl's lines from the trailer: "for every task, there's a perfect tool." Sounds like it fits Konishi's preferred method of letting others carry out her schemes for her, doesn't it? |
| 651 | |
| 652 | [[WMG: May Kurokawa is Joshua's mother/sister.]] |
| 653 | Either or, depending on how old you imagine each of them is, but [[http://marshmello.net16.net/JoshKurokawa.png tell me you don't see the family resemblance]]. They have a very similar faces, from the jaw, nose, and brow, and the same hair colour, and they carry themselves with the same posture, too. |
| 654 | * OnlySixFaces, my friend. Besides, do we even ''know'' how old Josh is? He could be as old as Shibuya itself for all we know. |
| 655 | ** Still, ages aside, Joshua mentions that "Mother and Father call me Joshua", although he could be lying about having parents. It's also worth noting that May is probably the most dismissive of you prior to building up your friendship gauge, ("... (Are these children... customers?)"), but eventually warms up to you to the point of developing a crush (reminiscent of how [[HoYay Joshua's time around Neku]] apparently influences him not to erase Shibuya). In this case, Joshua's father could be a person who doesn't exactly watch what he's saying or enjoys teasing others, leading to the JerkAss we know. |
| 656 | |
| 657 | [[WMG: Joshua is Sho Minamimoto's older brother.]] |
| 658 | They're far from close, but Joshua displays an uncanny personal understanding of Sho. He often shows off his knowledge of math and science, which is clearly equal or superior to Sho's, and there's a rather obvious connection between Sho's obsession with math and Joshua's math-related fusion combos. As for being older, Joshua only appears to be younger because his vibe must be reduced so much when he tunes down. On occasion he has patronized Sho as he only does with Neku, his [[spoiler:proxy]] or subordinate figure. Sho has always resented Joshua and felt that he's been stuck in his shadow, and thus strives for personal victory by trying to [[spoiler:dethrone him as Composer]] through any means necessary. As the older, responsible sibling, Joshua still has a sense of duty towards Sho, so while he still toys with him he spares him from erasure. |
| 659 | |
| 660 | *** This troper thinks that this is a very well thought out theory(considering Josh's height change in Composer Mode.) As for the different last names, another reason Sho could resent Joshua is because they're half brothers. Think of it like this. Josh's dad left his mom for Sho's and sometime after Sho's birth went back to Josh's mom. OR OR OR an inverse could be that he resents Joshua because Sho's actually HIS older brother. But that theory isn't as cool as this one now is it? |
| 661 | |
| 662 | [[WMG:Prince won the reaper's game at one point.]] |
| 663 | On Secret Report 7, a really good winning player will "soon make their mark upon society. His art, music, and other output become a part of culture, spreading and persisting through time, refining peoples' Imagination even without personal contact with the Player." It reminds me that sometimes people will think something like even though his voice isn't that great, he's still a big influence. And his blog gets about 100,000 hits a day! |
| 664 | |
| 665 | Not to mention all his talk about making the trends work for you which is an actual part of the gameplay |
| 666 | |
| 667 | [[WMG: The last game was a SecretTestOfCharacter for Neku, which Joshua had planned out since the very start.]] |
| 668 | |
| 669 | It's implied that the reason Joshua decides to not destroy Shibuya is because seeing Neku surrender convinced him that if an mega-emo like Neku could change then there was still hope for the people of Shibuya. But when you think about it, Neku had to change to survive. In a game that runs on ThePowerOfFriendship being a brooding loner will only end up getting you killed. |
| 670 | |
| 671 | My theory is that while Joshua was playing the Game with Kitaniji he was in reality playing game with himself. Basically, to take the most emo kid in the city and make him care about people. If it worked, he'd spare Shibuya, if not, there always Instrumentality. Rather than being the Composer's proxy, Neku was in fact the proxy of Shibuya itself. Winning three Games in a row basically proved that he's learned to play well with others, but Joshua needed to see for certain if the bonds he formed were real, or if Neku just saw them as tools to win the Game. |
| 672 | |
| 673 | So at the end he played the Final Game with Neku. Revealing his true identity made him into someone who Neku truly hates , while making it a one-on-one gun dual made a game where friendship and trust is useless and the only way to win is to be cold and heartless. If Neku still showed mercy it would be proof that he had become a better person. Basically, when Neku lowered his weapon and told Joshua that he trusts him, he in fact won the Game and in turn saved Shibuya and all his friends. |
| 674 | * I beleive this is supporterd by one of Joshua's lines right before the duel. "Remember what Mr. H. said." "Enjoy the moment" certainly doesn't fit here. [[TitleDrop The World Ends With You]] would make sense but not in this context. Therefore I have to assume Joshua meant [[ArcWords "Trust your partner."]] This fits well with the ending. "I can't forgive you. But I trust you." |
| 675 | [[WMG: Beat is much smarter when alive.]] |
| 676 | His primary point of characterization is that he purposefully became a failure because of the way his parents treated him in comparison to the way they treated Rhyme. He acted out more and more in a series of failed attempts to make his parents leave him alone. |
| 677 | |
| 678 | In the UG, [[YourMindMakesItReal you're who you think you are]], and after hearing what a dumbass he is so many times, Beat believes it. OH SHI- |
| 679 | * Don't forget the reason Beat is in the UG in the first place is that he's quite literally TooDumbToLive (this is the guy who tried to [[TakingTheBullet take the bullet]] with a car). Anyway believe he said that Rhyme always was the voice of reason. |
| 680 | ** Beat wasn't TakingTheBullet, he was trying to get [[spoiler:Rhyme]] out of the way. He grabbed her instead of pushing her, meaning he was only TooDumbToLive insofar as he didn't have good enough spacial skills to realize that [[spoiler:he wouldn't have had time to save her before the car smashed into them both]]. |
| 681 | * If you tell ''anyone'' something often enough they'll begin to believe it; it has nothing to do with being in the UG (that's not how the UG works, anyway). Beat's a dumbass from the moment you meet him, so if he really is a case of YourMindMakesItReal, his self-imposed stupidity began before he died, not after. |
| 682 | |
| 683 | [[WMG: The Reapers Game is being played in real life, by living, by people all over the World]] |
| 684 | |
| 685 | * AND I JUST LOST THE GAME! (Sorry, I couldn't resist.) |
| 686 | ** Considering this series has two [=WMGs=] it must be a conspiracy of former players to prepare future players. Note to self if I must die, die in a city. |
| 687 | |
| 688 | |
| 689 | [[WMG: After the last Game, the Composer had reality altered so that the rest of the world thought Neku, Shiki, Beat and Rhyme never died. But he couldn't do it himself... he requested help from [[Anime/SerialExperimentsLain Lain]].]] |
| 690 | |
| 691 | * Come on, watch the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSCT6uR-rvo&feature=related# beginning of episode 5]] and tell me you don't think that's one crossover that needs to be done. THE COMPOSER IS TELLING YOU USELESS HUMAN TO GIVE UP ON YOUR PATHETIC LIFE, among other things. |
| 692 | |
| 693 | [[WMG:UG Shibuya is a setient being.]] |
| 694 | Fact one: UG Shibuya is made of Soul. Fact two: erased Players, Reapers and Noise dissolve into Soul. Fact three: one's Soul can be reassembled ino previous form without much demage to personality or memories (like Rhyme was, mostly). Conclusion: [[MindHive SHIBUYA IS ALIVE]]. ParanoiaFuel ensues. |
| 695 | ** Additionally, it's a very popular theory already that the Composer is part of Shibuya itself. Probably merges with its Soul or something. |
| 696 | ** As I think about it now, Composer being the embodiment of collective mind is both probable and... disturbing. |
| 697 | |
| 698 | [[WMG: Joshua has a [[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure Stand]].]] |
| 699 | * It explains where all the trash he throws around in battle comes from. And maybe the Jesus Beam is his stand ability? |
| 700 | |
| 701 | [[WMG: Joshua is sulking at the end because none of the other characters became Reapers.]] |
| 702 | It's stated in the Secret Reports that the intended path for those who win the game is that they become Reapers themselves, so at the end of the game Joshua made them that offer. What's more Joshua really wanted them to accept because whether he would admit it or not, he had grown attached to them and wanted them to stay in the Game and the UG with him. They refused, electing instead to return to their lives in the RG. This is why he is upset during the ending and why Mr H. is chiding him on how it's "their world" and he can't fault them for their decision. |
| 703 | * In the Japanese version Hanekoma accuses Josh of being ''lonely'' at the end, so there's no doubt that he regretted returning everyone to the RG. However, my thoughts are that Neku is the only one that he would truly miss. He never met Rhyme, only met Beat when he was being attacked by him, and only very briefly ''saw'' Shiki, so the only reason Josh would feel any attachment at all to them is because they're friends of Neku's. I think Joshua was sulking at the end because Neku chose the company of his friends in the RG instead of Joshua in the UG. |
| 704 | |
| 705 | [[WMG: Neku's final entry fee was the bullet in his gun.]] |
| 706 | * The final confrontation was a SecretTestOfCharacter for Neku, and Joshua never planned on upholding his end of the bargain had Neku decided to shoot. Josh just wanted to see whether or not he WOULD. |
| 707 | |
| 708 | [[WMG: Another Day is an alternate reality Joshua created to make up for what he did.]] |
| 709 | * The stinger ending shows [[spoiler: Joshua moping, while watching Neku hanging out with the other Players, where he will never be able to join them. The fact that he spared Shibuya and resurrected the Players]] shows that he really did have a change of heart about people, and it's understandable he'd be lonely. [[spoiler: When Mr. H tries to console him, he flies off without a word, to which Mr. H remarks "Some people just can't take no for an answer",]] possibly implying Joshua intends to find some way to circumvent his situation. Thus, he creates Another Day, to both have the opportunity to hang out with Neku, and make up for all the pain he put the Players through by giving them fun world to play around in. Think about it, there's really no drama in Another Day, not really. The Reapers are much less threatening, some are straight-up friendly. The biggest conflict involves TIN PIN as opposed to life or death. And throughout AD's plot, it seems like Joshua is really enjoying himself, especially when he gets to tease Neku some more. |
| 710 | |
| 711 | ** Actually not quite, Mr. Hanekoma mentioned that Another Day was the parallel universe that [[spoiler: Joshua made to escape Minamimoto's i level flare]] He didn't make it, it was already there. It was stated somewhere in the game that there are multiple planes of existence out there, and Another Day was an example of one. |
| 712 | |
| 713 | ** True, this one's pretty much {{jossed}}, but this is such a comforting/heartwarming idea that I now choose to believe this over the game's actual endgame plot. Damn you, troper...! |
| 714 | |
| 715 | [[WMG: 777 and Konishi are Beat and Rhyme's real parents]] |
| 716 | Think about it. How many naturally blond, light-eyed people can there be in Shibuya? And the fact that they both seem to be in their twenties at most can be explained away by Reapers not aging after they die. Who knows how long they've been that young? |
| 717 | * While there's no that reason it ''couldn't'' be true, there are a couple problems with this theory. Firstly, the game's Shibuya isn't populated by normal, realistic Asians, it's populated by [[{{Mukokuseki}} anime characters]]. In TWEWY's Shibuya, you're just as likely to be blond as you are [[ImplausibleHairColour ginger or ash]], and your irises can be [[TechnicolorEyes any colour under the sun]]. Konishi and 777 both being blond doesn't mean a lot--Eiji Oji, Rayca Hoshi, Anna Aoi, and Akira Yoshii are all blond too, but none of them the same yellow as Beat and Rhyme. You're also suggesting that Konishi and 777 were on good enough terms to stay together for at least 2-4 years while they made babies, when Konishi was a manipulative ice queen who [[spoiler:erased 777 without a thought for helping out "their son"]]. She also, while being the total antithesis of Beat (whom she absolutely despised), [[spoiler:crushed and kidnapped]] her "daughter" just to manipulate him, and then thought that the most satisfying use of [[AlmostDeadGuy her last moments]] was to break his heart. Even though he wasn't as nasty about it, 777 was pretty excited by the prospect of OffingTheOffspring for a bounty, too. If Konishi and 777 ''were'' Beat and Rhyme's parents, they certainly weren't very good ones. |
| 718 | ** The whole premise of it is pure, unadulterated crack, but with that said... If you wanted to, you could twist things to make 777 be a pretty decent undead parent. For instance, you COULD--and this is a big emphasis on the hypothetical, here--say that Konishi was not being entirely truthful about Beat's entry fee, and that it was his family/loved ones' memories of him that, not just Rhyme's, in which case, if 777 were his father, he wouldn't remember Beat. Konishi is the big monkey wrench here, because she'd be a bad parent, fullstop, and would probably take great care to make sure it was never even a possibility. |
| 719 | |
| 720 | [[WMG: Rhyme can use all the pins, too.]] |
| 721 | Think about it. We never see her in battle, and the weapon she uses is never seen, either. Possibly, she also had a high amount of [[spoiler:Imagination, just like Neku,]] thus making it so she could also use all of the pins. |
| 722 | * We technically do see Rhyme fight in a cutscene ([=W1D3=]), but we only see that she either uses a Positive (mêlée) psych, or poses like she does while Beat kills things. The only time she talks about herself or Beat using pins is when she tells Shiki that they "had extras" of the Cure Drink pin, meaning that one of them was unable to use it. It's as you say: we have no indication either way of what the limit is to Rhyme's power. It's just as possible that she can't use psychs at all. |
| 723 | ** But doesn't a [[spoiler:secret report say that Neku is able to use all the pins because of his powerful Imagination?]] Considering that Rhyme's entry fee was her hopes and dreams, that could indicate that she had a powerful imagination. Also, we may not see her weapon because she doesn't have one, much like Neku. |
| 724 | *** As for "We have extras", I often find myself with 3 of the same pin after a noise fight. |
| 725 | |
| 726 | [[WMG:The sequel will be about [[spoiler:time travel.]]]] |
| 727 | That's right, the cry "WHAT THE HELL?!" totally makes sense about it. Just think, [[spoiler:an anonymous person saves Neku from Joshua's shot and time travels into 1st week (Neku has every pin he earned in the game, this is important). Neku, with his knowledge of the future (and having his memories doubled: Megumi has original memories as entry fee, and Neku has ALL the memories about his life AND about Reaper's Game's 3 weeks) can correct every mistake without generally changing the plot. Not falling for Uzuki's trap? Check. Saving Rhyme with invoking her pin and using Invisibility+Teleport combo of pins? Check. Destroying Red Pins on Uzuki and Kariya while battling for the fake Rhyme pin to make them valuable allies? Check. And, if Megumi analyzes Neku's most valuable things BEFORE the Game, he tricks Megumi into taking the same entry fees (Shiki and other Players) while leaving to Neku even MORE opportunities. Oh, and "7 days later..." actually means it's 7 days later after the 3rd week (in the objective view timeline, not in the subjective Neku's timeline. Correct my Engrish, if needed.]] |
| 728 | * ''If'' there's going to be a sequel, why would they make a sequel with the exact same story as the original? |
| 729 | ** See VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories. |
| 730 | [[WMG:Tin-Pin Tutorial Guy in another day is Another Day!Hanekoma]] |
| 731 | * Canon!Hanekoma was worrying that his Another Day counterpart might become aware of him. The second Tutorial guy dissapears is the second that you can no longer meet Hanekoma at Pork City. Also Joshua recognizes and is shocked at who Tutorial Guy is, under the hood and he comments on [[CoolShades those glasses.]] |
| 732 | ** It's probably actually intended to be that guy you can fight by the end of the quest storyline, the Tin Pin Magician or something, who wears red glasses IIRC. He's one of three guys you never meet in the "canon world", apparently based on game-makers or something. Joshua's dialog with him all but states he's Tutorial Guy. |
| 733 | |
| 734 | [[WMG: The World ends with you is set in the same universe as ''Franchise/{{Persona}}''.]] |
| 735 | * Joshua and Kitanji are Philemon/Igor and Nyarlathotep respectively, the pins are Persona and Neku has the wild card ability. Kitanji's plan is similar to that of Nyx, to make everyone apathetic using his power. |
| 736 | |
| 737 | [[WMG: Mr. Mew is Shiki's [[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure Stand]] ]] |
| 738 | * It's possible that it was like that before she died, but it only manifested during the game. |
| 739 | |
| 740 | [[WMG: TWEWY is an alternate reality created by [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Shinji Ikari]] during instrumentality]] |
| 741 | * Neku is a self-alienating character who uses earphoses (which may or may not actaully have music playing. Another similarity) who only wins the game (i.e. returns to life/the real world) by accepting others. Sorta like ''End of Evangelion'' and how you return from the LCL sea. Kitaniji's plan is basically Instrumentality (Kitaniji is Gendo?). And Joshua gives of way Way WAY to many Kaworu vibes. WickedCultured? Check. [[AmbiguouslyGay Might be in love with the protagonist?]] Check. [[spoiler: Both are basically GODS?]] Check. [[MagnificentBastard Both enjoy messing with their chosen Messiahs?]] Check. So yeah, VideoGame/TheWorldEndsWithYou=Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion. |
| 742 | |
| 743 | [[WMG: The Reaper's Game is at least partially based on, or dexended from, VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry.]] |
| 744 | * It would explan so many things. After all, Beatrice is able to create "furniture" to serve her, and the Reapers can do that... at least on a lesser scale. Like in Beatrice's game, there are different rules for each round, but the main goal is always survival, and the game always differ depending on the Game Master. Just like in Beatrice's game, there are external forces that are meant to keep the game under control, and to punish Game Masters who disobey the rules. Not to mention the use of RED TEXT to highlight important details... |
| 745 | |
| 746 | [[WMG: Mr. Mew is possessed by [[VideoGame/GhostTrick this one certain black cat from Ghost Trick]].]] |
| 747 | Mr. Mew is a black cat who's protecting a red head. Sounda like [[spoiler: Sissel]] alright. |
| 748 | * This could tie into the other WMG above about Shiki's soul being in Mr. Mew and simply projecting a psychic echo of Eri's body. |
| 749 | |
| 750 | [[WMG: The entire Game is a test that is being run by [=GLaDOS=].]] |
| 751 | * [=GLaDOS=] decided that portal testing wasn't enough and so hacked a computer in a hospital in Shibuya and used it place several different groups of hospitalized people under a mass hallucination. They then begin running around Shibuya believing themselves to be dead. The Reapers are in the same boat and [=GLaDOS=] made them as assistants so she doesn't have to do the testing on her own. Mr. Mew being possessed by her raw mind, Joshua is the Anger Core, Hanekoma the Curiosity Core, the Conductor the Morality Core, and all of the [=GMs=], save for Kariya, are the Intelligence Core. The Cores still exist because [=GLaDOS=] rebuilt them with the Morality Core simply telling her what things are immoral and not preventing her from doing them. Minamimoto is the only one who figured out the hallucination and tried to get out of it by creating Taboo Noise to overload the system. However, he didn't know that Hanekoma/Curiosity Core was planning it from the beginning to see how the Players and Reapers would react to Taboo Noise. The Noise are [=GLaDOS=]' way of weeding out bad test subjects and Erasure is dying for real. The concept of Imagination is [=GLaDOS=] trying to learn more about humans by seeing what they like other than cake and parties. The shops are all places where [=GLaDOS=] allows the hallucination to partially wear off. Another Day is not an alternate universe but, in fact, what [=GLaDOS=] thinks she learned from the experiment, that humans are obsessed with pushing pins around a table. The Player Pins are mind reading devices that [=GLaDOS=] built using tech from an abandoned lab owned by the Japanese branch of Aperture Science. None of the "living" people can see the Players or Reapers because either they were ALSO under a mass hallucination or [=GLaDOS=] equipped the Players and Reapers with invisibility devices. The Final Game between Neku and the Anger Core ended how it did because it was [=GLaDOS=]' final test to see if humans could actually change as drastically as the rest of the testing showed. It worked and in turn reprogrammed Anger Core into a Forgiveness Core. Neku's "WHAT THE HELL!!!!" is him realizing exactly what happened after everybody comes out their hallucination. His speech is similar to Still Alive because he's trying to tell [=GLaDOS=] that instead of being angry like [=GLaDOS=] hypothesized, he was thankful. The secret ending is Curiosity Core telling Forgiveness Core that it's okay that the hypothesis was wrong because the experiment was a huge success and ought to be made note of. |
| 752 | |
| 753 | [[WMG: There will be a ''Fanfic/MyImmortal''-style fanfic featuring a MarySue character.]] |
| 754 | If there isn't one already. I bet I gave at least one fanfic writer ideas... |
| 755 | * [[Fanfic/MyImmortal "WHAT ARE YOU DOING MOTHERFUCKERS!" it was... Rhyme!]] |
| 756 | ** [[Fanfic/DoomRepercussionsOfEvil And then Beat was a zombie.]] |
| 757 | *** [[Webcomic/SweetBroAndHellaJeff I TOLD YOU RADIAN! I TOLD YOU ABOUT ASMYTOTES!]] |
| 758 | *** ... I might actually write one now as a joke. |
| 759 | |
| 760 | [[WMG: The sequel will be primarily a personal journey]] |
| 761 | With no "saving the world/town/whatever". |
| 762 | |
| 763 | [[WMG: Neku's success abolished the UG and the Reapers' Game entirely]] |
| 764 | He killed the Conductor and many [=GMs=], Joshua changed his mind about humanity, and Shibuya was metamorphosed as a result. To what degree? The Game is never brought up again after Neku's revival except in past tense, not even in the final two secret reports. Hanekoma and Joshua are seen sitting around doing nothing, and we don't see any more Reapers in the plot. It's possible that when Joshua decided humanity was capable of redeeming itself, he no longer needed a method to force the issue. |
| 765 | * Yeah, but Shibuya isn't the only place with a Reaper's Game. Presumably there are many regions where the Game is played, with just as many Composers and Reapers for each. |
| 766 | |
| 767 | [[WMG: Neku wasn't really Joshua's proxy...]] |
| 768 | He was Kitanji's. |
| 769 | |
| 770 | Hear me out here. In this explanation, Instrumentality wasn't his main goal, only a feint... or a fallback, if that's what it came to. He manipulated Joshua, who disproved of his plan, into choosing Neku to be his proxy. Why Neku? Because he was the perfect person for it. Kitanji wanted to prove to him that people could change and Neku was the best choice for this. He went to Mr. H and got his help on this, of course. This was why Kitanji didn't just erase Neku outright. Because Neku was still useful. He basically risked everything, to the point of 'WhatTheHellHero' standards, including his own life. Why? For one, he admired Joshua. Another reason was that he was just too powerful. So he had to take another route. He used Beat to try and attack Neku and Joshua because [[LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt He knew that he wouldn't really have it in him to kill his friend]]. Sho was made GM because he knew Joshua was going to enter. The Taboo Noise was the SpannerInTheWorks that killed off some of their forces and some of the players. And in the Third Week, he took the gamble to it's limits. He made it Neku's last week because he didn't want people getting suspicious. He instigated Emergency Call since the Reaper's Game really was in danger. If Joshua destroyed Shibuya, how the hell were they going to play it? He also started Instrumentality in full effect as his backup plan and to point the focus to him. He removed all of the other players to give Neku a reliable partner: Beat. The Iron Maiden being made the Game Master? He was running out of good canidates and she was the most ideal. It all came to a head AFTER his death during the last 'Game' between Joshua and Neku. Neku had changed, giving Joshua reason enough to believe humanity was actually worth believing in. Thus, not only was Neku spared but so was Shibuya. Kitanji died... but not for nothing. |
| 771 | [[WMG: Neku will return as a cameo, {{Superboss}} / TrueFinalBoss in the sequel.]] |
| 772 | First, we would be able to see how much more he develops since the the first game. After a conversation with the new protagonists, he tests them out with one of his old partners (preferably Shiki or Joshua). Of course to make him the TrueFinalBoss, he would obviously be using the [[BraggingRightsReward Darklit]] [[InfinityPlusOneSword Planets]] [[GameBreaker deck]]. |
| 773 | ** Mostly jossed, in regards to the above two guesses. [[spoiler:Neku is back in [[VideoGame/NEOTheWorldEndsWithYou the sequel]], but he's a playable character]]. |
| 774 | |
| 775 | [[WMG: [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Ventus]] will appear in the sequel.]] |
| 776 | Because now that Neku is appearing in ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'', crossovers are in play. |
| 777 | * No. Kingdom Hearts itself is a crossover-game. It has never given any other series an excuse to do insane series-spanning crossovers, and it never will. |
| 778 | |
| 779 | [[WMG: '''ALL''' the angels are fallen.]] |
| 780 | Think about it: All the "angels" are supporting a grand scheme to keep the players from the afterlife (not all of them, but a select few willing to obey them). If they were really angels, they would know what the afterlife is like and know what keeping the players away from it means. [[spoiler:Hanekoma is either an AscendedDemon or never fell, as he is trying to help the players get to the afterlife]]. [[spoiler:Kitaniji's plot, both in motive and effect, should be familiar to some people as well.]] |
| 781 | |
| 782 | [[WMG: The TWEWY-verse is another world in the Franchise/KingdomHearts universe]] |
| 783 | With Neku confirmed to appear in ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'', it's basically confirmed that TWEWY is part of the ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' universe now. The only problem would be whether Shibuya itself (and perhaps Tokyo) would be a "world", or if the world would be Earth. |
| 784 | * Neku is confirmed to appear in Traverse Town, not Shibuya. How he got there is another question entirely, though. |
| 785 | ** Judging by what Traverse Town is (a hub for those whose worlds were destroyed), this points to the possibility of Shibuya/Earth/Neku's Kingdom Hearts World has been destroyed or taken by darkness, hence why he's in Traverse Town. |
| 786 | |
| 787 | [[WMG: The TWEWY-verse is NOT another world in the Franchise/KingdomHearts universe]] |
| 788 | Pretty straight forward, as all the other Disney and Franchise/FinalFantasy characters have been markedly different in KH than their original canons, Neku in 3D will be in alternate universe version of Neku from his original game in the same way Leon is an alternate of Squall, or the way Jack (both Jacks actually) is both different from, and didn't learn the lesson in, his orignal movie. |
| 789 | |
| 790 | [[WMG: Joshua was not the Composer, but the Composer's Proxy.]] |
| 791 | The Composer was looking for a proxy in his game and decided that the best possible one would be a sociopathic teen who already had a small amount of psychic power. The resemblance to the Composer was an added bonus, allowing Joshua to serve as a decoy target for Minamimoto's first strike, if it came to that. He found Joshua and granted him the ability to see into the UG. He then manipulated events such that Joshua would meet Mr. Hanekoma and told Mr. H to explain things to him. Finally, he planted the idea of trying to jack Shibuya into Josh's head and manipulated him into killing Neku, who would serve to help Joshua's goal. Josh would barge into the Shibuya River, find the Conductor, think he was the Composer, and Erase him. However, things didn't go exactly as planned. Josh killed Neku, but didn't realize that he could break into the game until Week Two. As a result, Minamimoto's plan to release Taboo Noise had already been enacted. So the Composer gave Joshua his Jesus Beams to fight off the Taboo Noise. The Composer also transported Josh to the Tin-Pin-verse immediately before Sho's ''i'' level Flare, thus why Mr. H had to go get him. Any questions? |
| 792 | |
| 793 | [[WMG: Joshua never tells a lie in the game.]] |
| 794 | Just because manipulating everyone without stooping so low as to lying sounds, to me at least, like the kind of thing he'd get a kick out of. I've replayed the game with this in mind and the only part I'm iffy about is that he does say "Yes, I'm alive." (end of W2D6, I believe, after blasting off the rhino). However, since we never get clear rules of the Game system, much less how a ''regular'' one ''normally'' goes, I personally believe the bastard could have cheated his way into [[spoiler:his first Game and become the Composer, not necessarily in the traditional way, without dying beforehand - thus his subsequent speech, which is in past tense, actually refers to an older Game than the current one.]] [[ExactWords Technically not a lie.]] Alternately, [[spoiler:maybe the Composer is a different state of existence that counts more as alive than dead]], or it might have been LostInTranslation. (Anyone who has any clue - as opposed to me - is welcome to confirm or infirm this.) [[BeAsUnhelpfulAsPossible This would explain his cheerful tendency to not answer anything directly at the beginning and never denying that he killed Neku.]] |
| 795 | [[WMG: Joshua's mannerisms are meant to annoy Neku]] |
| 796 | Joshua's AmbiguouslyGay attitude toward Neku was just another way to bug him. Way to be a JerkAss Joshua! |
| 797 | |
| 798 | [[WMG: Some of the music in the game is, in universe, Def Märch's music.]] |
| 799 | This is going off the theory that the music is actually what Neku's listening to through his headphones. In that case, who's to say that some of the music (Three Minutes Clapping, Transformation, and Twister Gang Mix come to mind) isn't some Def Märch music? And I know that Neku didn't have a clue who they were when he and Shiki met 777 in Week 1, but maybe he just found the songs on some website and downloaded them without looking at the artists' name? |
| 800 | * Not all of the game's tracks play from the beginning of the game onward, and you can get Neku to buy [=CDs=] in-game, so it's possible that he began listening to their songs after he was introduced to 777 as well. Def Märch prides itself on being "totally indie", so they've probably reinvented themselves a number of times with different band names, and 777 is just a pseudonym, so they could be any number of the artists on the OST. |
| 801 | * The reason Neku didn't recognize him on Week 1 is probably because he had amnesia. |
| 802 | |
| 803 | [[WMG: [[spoiler: Neku's entry fee in his final game was his friendship with Joshua.]] ]] |
| 804 | Think about it. Neku's extremely upset when he finds out [[spoiler: Joshua]] had been the Composer and put him and Shibuya through all the stuff in the game, and was going on about how he had thought he had made a friend he could trust. Plus [[spoiler: Josh]] never really specified what the entry fee was, probably feeling it would be repetitive to repeat what Neku had just said. |
| 805 | ** Except that [[spoiler: his friendship]] was the very reason [[spoiler: Neku couldn't bring himself to pull the trigger]]. |
| 806 | |
| 807 | [[WMG: At least a few of the major Reapers were remade by the Composer after the end.]] |
| 808 | It would make some things in the potential sequel cooler. Plus, with [[spoiler: his faith in humanity being restored in the final game, so he wouldn't erase Shibuya]], maybe he felt that Kitaniji [[spoiler: had won their Game after having lost]], and decided to give him a second chance. The others could be from unfair erasure or something along those lines. |
| 809 | |
| 810 | [[WMG: The ending wasn't about Joshua regaining his faith in humanity; it was about him seeing the error of his own ways.]] |
| 811 | According to the Secret Reports, Joshua's change of heart at the end of the game is what caused the people of Shibuya themselves to improve. But didn't ''Joshua'' say that the only way to prevent Shibuya from corrupting the rest of the world would be to destroy it completely? What reason would he have to think that, when simply changing his own mindset would have sufficed? The ending was also about ''him'' growing up and learning the same lesson Neku learned; that simply wishing everyone else out of your life isn't going to solve anything. This is supported by the fact that Joshua seemed to be just as misanthropic as Neku, only his hatred of other people manifested in a different way. His experiences with Neku brought about an epiphany that other people's values matter just as much as his own. |
| 812 | |
| 813 | [[WMG: The story is AllJustADream for Eri.]] |
| 814 | Let me put it this way. Maybe she has been placed in coma trying to cope with the guilt of Shiki's death. All the characters in her dream are aspects of herself. |
| 815 | * Shiki = Ego/Self |
| 816 | * Neku = Id |
| 817 | * Beat = Super Ego |
| 818 | * Rhyme = Anima |
| 819 | * The Composer/[[spoiler:Joshua]] = ShadowArchetype |
| 820 | |
| 821 | [[WMG: Rhyme has [[TimeMaster Time-based psyches]]]] |
| 822 | No real point to this WMG, besides [[{{Pun}} the possibility]] of making [[VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles1 Rhyme]] [[MemeticMutation Time]] jokes. |
| 823 | |
| 824 | [[WMG: If Joshua is the Composer's Proxy, then the Composer is really Eri.]] |
| 825 | Think about it. She went to the Reaper's Game before Shiki and has knowledge of it since. Knowing that saying "you're not meant to be a designer" wouldn't cheer her up, Eri has planned on showing her the Reaper's Game. Therefore, she planned her death. It would appear that she killed Beat and Rhyme to give her support. On the sixth day for Shiki, [[ObfuscatingStupidity she pretends stupid of not knowing Shiki watching over her talking to Mina about her]]. At the end of her week, Eri plans on letting Shiki stay at the Reaper's Game for a little longer by making her Neku's entry fee. Throughout the second and third week, she's watching from behind the scenes while Joshua acted as her proxy in the end. When Shiki comes back to life, Eri has decided to quit on being the Composer and gave this position to Joshua. |
| 826 | |
| 827 | [[WMG: [[AscendedExtra Eri, Will be a Player in the Next Games]].]] |
| 828 | Just becasue we know Eri and would be use to Eri, To compurt with Shiki really act. |
| 829 | |
| 830 | [[WMG: An Expy of [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Sora or Riku]] will be added.]] |
| 831 | That if Disney don't approval using Sora or Riku for the Next [=TWEwY=] Games. |
| 832 | |
| 833 | [[WMG: Rhyme uses Dragon Couture pins.]] |
| 834 | This is based on how Rhyme uses different proverbs, such as her "haste makes waste" comment to Beat. The names of many of the pins in the Dragon Couture line follow a similar theme, such as "Live Slow, Die Fast." |
| 835 | |
| 836 | [[WMG: TWEWY is really a sort of humanity-test...]] |
| 837 | Maybe TWEWY is really a test from Square Enix, to see if we'll actually listen to the point of the game ((aka: people are cool and stuff, go out and interact)) instead of going "Complete ALL the postgame stuff!" and "Must... get... 100%... completion...". |
| 838 | |
| 839 | [[WMG: Eri is just a nickname for...]] |
| 840 | * Erica. |
| 841 | * Erica Kanjishii. And why not, It was odd whene Shiki said "My Name is Shiki Misaki, But my friend call me Shiki." and knowing that it could be Part of her Act as Eri. |
| 842 | |
| 843 | [[WMG:The sequel will be the events in ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'' from the point of view of the ''VideoGame/TheWorldEndsWithYou'' characters.]] |
| 844 | The appearance of the ''VideoGame/TheWorldEndsWithYou'' characters in Traverse Town is actually canon - they're playing a Reaper's Game there (this is actually confirmed in ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'', as an early cutscene shows a timer on Neku's hand). The next game in this series will take place in Traverse Town, and show what the ''TWEWY'' characters were doing. In ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' style, there will be two stories to follow - one from the point of view of Neku and Shiki, and the other from the point of view of Beat and Rhyme (Joshua will probably just be an NPC). The battles will be against Nightmares, but done TWEWY-style, and instead of pins and Psychs you would have Spirits (but which, gameplay-wise, would function the same way as the pins, with different actions (touching, slashing, etc.) required to use each Spirit's attack). In essence, the whole game would be a Reaper's Game in Traverse Town, complete with walls, Reapers and everything. |
| 845 | |
| 846 | [[WMG: Possible partners for the sequel.]] |
| 847 | * Eri |
| 848 | * Shooter |
| 849 | * Makoto |
| 850 | * Rhyme |
| 851 | * Neku himself. |
| 852 | |
| 853 | [[WMG: The sequel will have it's own "Another Day"]] |
| 854 | It will be set in a dystopian future where Tin Pin Slammer has been outlawed, and it's up to the sequel's protagonist and her friends to [[PuttingTheBandBackTogether reunite the Kindred Spirits]] to save the world! |
| 855 | |
| 856 | [[WMG: Final Fantasy's Gilgamesh will be a Bonus Boss]] |
| 857 | Because he has been conspicuously absent from the Kingdom Hearts series thus far. |
| 858 | |
| 859 | [[WMG: Mr. Mew is actually possessing Shiki...]] |
| 860 | And Mr. Mew will be the main character of the sequel. |
| 861 | |
| 862 | [[WMG: The sequel won't involve multiple games...]] |
| 863 | At least not as the same character. Rather than have one character go through multiple games, it will have the player playing as multiple characters, each with their own game. |
| 864 | * And all of these games shall seem to be completely unrelated except for a single thing that connects them, and once you have beaten them all, a new story appears that has two purposes: to explain everything, and to set up the final game where all the players of the previous games come together to defeat the antagonist. The girl in the new stinger will be the primary protagonist of the Shibuya game. |
| 865 | |
| 866 | |
| 867 | [[WMG: The girl in the new [[TheStinger Stinger]] is...]] |
| 868 | * Neku and Shiki's daughter |
| 869 | * Neku's friend who died in the accident. |
| 870 | ** Or was his Partner. |
| 871 | * Eri without the Dye Hair. |
| 872 | * Someone's [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Nobody]]. [[MythologyGag Roxas was introduced in much the same way.]] |
| 873 | |
| 874 | [[WMG: One of the new partners in the sequel will wear sunglasses.]] |
| 875 | The sunglasses symbolizes the partner's attempt to ignore the world around him/her. |
| 876 | |
| 877 | [[WMG: The sequel will take place X number of years in the future, with the original Players all grown up.]] |
| 878 | The stitching on the Mr. Mew doll's nose is different than the original, so it's probably a reproduction. If that's true, it could be because Shiki finally made it big as a designer and Mr. Mew hit public. She needed time to become famous, though, so there'll be a timeskip from the original game. |
| 879 | * Makes sense with the goal of the reaper's game being to find those with the highest imaginations, restore them to life, and let them change the world. The rest of the characters from the first game will probably show up similarly. Neku doing something with graffiti. Beat and Rhyme being... a world famous comedy duo? |
| 880 | |
| 881 | [[WMG: The sequel will allow multiplayer co-op]] |
| 882 | Like kingdom hearts 358/2 days, you will be allowed to go noise hunting as characters from the story mode. (Though, if you select the main character their pins will be reduced to combos similar to other partners.) Maybe you will even be allowed to create your own custom character using the main characters as a base, like in the mirage arena from ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep''. |
| 883 | * Do ports count? Because if so, then ''Final Remix'' confirms this by allowing a second player to control Neku's partner. |
| 884 | |
| 885 | [[WMG: If Eri is the main character in the sequel, she'll be voiced by Creator/JenniferHale.]] |
| 886 | Come to think of it, she is mostly portrayed as the shadow for Heather Hogan's light. Who knows? Maybe Eri is the red oni to Shiki's blue oni if they make a pairing. If you don't know of what I'm talking about, think of ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia''. |
| 887 | * I.E. [[VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia Colette and Sheena]] |
| 888 | * Also [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid Naomi Hunter]] |
| 889 | * [[VideoGame/SoulSeries Tira]] to Viola. |
| 890 | * It also help that she voice Cinderella and Aurora in VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep. |
| 891 | * Or even [[WesternAnimation/LegionofSuperHeroes Phantom Girl and Emerald Empress]]. |
| 892 | |
| 893 | [[WMG: Or The Real Shiki will be voiced by Creator/JenniferHale]] |
| 894 | Becaseu Shiki was the Shadow in Eri's Light. |
| 895 | |
| 896 | [[WMG:Gameplay in the sequel will involve benevolent monsters called Signal]] |
| 897 | Based on the use of Spirits in ''Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance''. |
| 898 | |
| 899 | [[WMG: Atarashi Koko well be one of the New Gamemaster]] |
| 900 | |
| 901 | [[WMG: The girl in the teaser is the Composer of Shibuya from a parallel world...]] |
| 902 | and somehow she ended up in the Shibuya we all know and love. |
| 903 | |
| 904 | [[WMG: The Composer planned to destroy Shibuya by [[DrivenToSuicide erasing himself.]]]] |
| 905 | Because lies are more interesting when they're built up on truths, and [[spoiler: Josh did say during week two that he planned to erase the Composer.]] Given that the Composer is implied in the Secret Reports to be something of a FisherKing and that the position goes by KlingonPromotion, this becomes logistically sensical-- if someone else were to Erase him, that person would become Composer, but if he did it himself it could cause a feedback loop that could raze the District. If we assume he's telling a delayed truth rather than a blatant lie when, [[spoiler: in week two, he claims to be in the Game "because he wants to be"]], it's possible he killed himself in the first place however many years or decades ago he became Composer, the Secret Reports reveal that [[spoiler: his faked self-sacrifice at the end of the week was ''actually'' very dangerous, even for him]], and [[spoiler: handing a loaded gun to someone who has every reason to loathe him]] isn't a particularly self-preserving action either. The idea that he's self-destructively unstable is surprisingly plausible, though certainly not sure enough to be more than speculation. |
| 906 | |
| 907 | [[WMG: Ken Doi is actually the father of Sho Minamimoto]] |
| 908 | This might seem like a farfetched theory but there is a lot of evidence to back it up. |
| 909 | * In Another Day Sho is much nicer in this alternate universe than in the main game to the point where like Neku he seems to have a 180 in his personality. Yet when he gets humiliated by Ken, he gets really angry and says he's better than him. If they were master and pupil, I doubt Ken would allow him to get away with that attitude in front of his customers. But if they're father and son then that would complicate the matters. |
| 910 | * This is just a minor one but Ken wears a blue bandana. Sho wears a red bandana that is covered by his hat. He would later toss them both out [[spoiler: in his Taboo Noise form.]] |
| 911 | * Ken sells the Big Bang or Big Crunch pins . Sho might actually be using these pins in the main game when you realize that Big Bang and Big Crunch when used together create a huge beam of light. Now recall Sho's attack iflare [[spoiler: that he uses on Josh.]] It seems to have the same attributes. Also Sho's favorite quote is "CRUNCH...I'll add it to the heap." |
| 912 | * Established in Another Day is Ken being the creator of Tin Pin (he even sells books about Tin Pin). Sho in the second week sends a mission to play in the Tin Pin tournament and win. Since Another Day also shows that Sho loves Tin Pin, the main game drives it farther by showing that even in death he's obsessed with it (hence his insults when Josh doesn't play and lets Neku play and lose). |
| 913 | * Ken doesn't like talking about his past to anyone. When Tin Pin is brought up, he gets angry (red eyes even like he's possessed). His backstory is implied to not be a good one and we only hear a bit about it from Eiji (him being a personal cook and having to move for reasons not specified). And in game, Sho is established as being the youngest Game Master and has been around for a while. Now recall in Another Day how Ken saves up these special Tin Pins that he gives to Neku and the group when preparing to fight the Black Skullers. He states he never brought them out because reasons but from Josh's description, it sounds like they were made with a lot of love but was just thrown into a box. What if that box is actually meant for Sho? In Another Day he wouldn't need something like this since Sho is alive and well, but what if in the main story that was supposed to be a gift to Sho and he couldn't give it to him because his son is dead? |
| 914 | ** Speaking of boxes Ken Doi is seen leaving boxes of special items for Neku to pick up. What if these items were all related to Sho in his younger years (not counting a few obvious ones like female school uniforms?) |
| 915 | * Also about his past, this makes me think that Sho died many years ago hence why Ken no longer seems to be suffering on the surface and only when the past is brought up does it make his wound open. What if they got into a fight that resulted in Sho's death (and would also explain his crazy ass tendencies in the Reaper's Game specifically wanting everything to be perfect because what if he couldn't be perfect for his dad in the main game and died because of it? And this is backed up by in Another Day on how just getting humiliated sets Sho off on Ken and Ken ignores it since it seems to be a normal routine. In Another Day he works so hard to make a new pin that it changes his appearance to that of his Taboo Noise when its explained that he honestly wanted to make something better than what Ken gave Shuto.) Sho's backstory is a mystery but if you put these pieces together, maybe just maybe he has his baggage like teenager in the game (he is 18 which is the age of an adult but just barely). |
| 916 | * [[spoiler: This is all pretty much confirmed in Another Day at the end where Sho calls Ken Doi "pops" and Ken Doi responding with "when did my kid grow up so fast?" And at the end Sho refers the ramen shop as our place implying the connection. Since Another Day is just the alternate universe of the characters it only comes off as a tragedy when you go back to the main game and see how far Sho has fallen.]] |
| 917 | |
| 918 | [[WMG: Sho is [[VideoGame/Persona3 Shinjiro Aragaki]] after death ]] |
| 919 | * For no other reason than because [[RuleOfCool it's awesome!]] That, and their voice actors sounds suspicously alike. After all, who doesn't want someone as awesome as Shinjiro to look like Sho? |
| 920 | |
| 921 | [[WMG: All Reapers were once Players, and are currently playing their own version of the Reaper's Game.]] |
| 922 | * This WMG is rooted mainly on the fact that [[spoiler: Beat became a Reaper after Rhyme died.]] As far as I remember, the game never actually explains where the Reapers came from, just that they have to erase other Players to earn points and stay alive. The current Reapers are former players who lost their partners, and took on the job of being a Reaper just so they could survive. The Reapers' entry fee is the same for all of them--the right to exist. If they don't get enough points, they fade away and lose their own Game. |
| 923 | |
| 924 | [[WMG: Psyches are symbolic of expanding your horizons]] |
| 925 | * The Psyches work by channeling power from another source be it an energy field or another person (the composer?). Players can channel these powers using the pins. This is why the pins don't work without another player you are closing yourself off from the world. It's why you get pins from enemies or buying them from shops. You are constantly expanding your horizons giving you power. It's why Neku can use all pins. Not because of his imagination but because of his potential for connecting with others. |
| 926 | |
| 927 | [[WMG: In the sequel, you will play as a Reaper]] |
| 928 | * Because why the hell not. |
| 929 | |
| 930 | [[WMG: In the sequel, the Noise will break out of the UG into the RG]] |
| 931 | * Also because why the hell not. |
| 932 | ** At the end of "A New Day" in ''Final Remix'', [[spoiler:Hanekoma states "Pretty unsettling to have Noise popping up in the RG." I CALLED IT!]] |
| 933 | |
| 934 | [[WMG: In the sequel, Neku's partners will be deliberate {{Foil}}s to his partners in the original.]] |
| 935 | * Shiki's {{Foil}} will be [[spoiler:Sho Minamimoto]]. Coco's dialogue at the end seems to pretty much confirm that [[spoiler:Minamimoto]] will be Neku's partner, or at least his initial one. Their personalities are complete opposites, Shiki being a NiceGirl while [[spoiler:Minamimoto]] is an InsufferableGenius. Also, Shiki kickstarted Neku's CharacterDevelopment via PositiveFriendInfluence. In contrast, Neku will jumpstart [[spoiler:''Minamimoto's'']] CharacterDevelopment through PositiveFriendInfluence. |
| 936 | * Joshua's {{Foil}} will be what Hanekoma more-or-less claimed what Joshua was during his week- an ordinary kid who already knew about the Game due [[ISeeDeadPeople seeing dead people]]. Their personalities and story roles will also contrast- Joshua is a JerkAss who was [[spoiler:TheChessmaster of the plot]] while the new partner would be a [[NiceGuy Nice Guy/Girl]] and potentially a SpannerInTheWorks for the BigBad's plan. |
| 937 | * Beat's {{Foil}} will be Rhyme. Of the five Players, Rhyme has the least amount of focus and introducing more characters might make the cast feel a little cramped. As for {{Foil}} status, they're already completely different in terms of personality and demeanor. |
| 938 | |
| 939 | [[WMG: The sequel will exercise TwoLinesNoWaiting.]] |
| 940 | There's already five main Players (Neku, Shiki, Joshua, Beat, and Rhyme) and the end of ''Final Remix'' seems to imply that [[spoiler: Minamimoto]] will join them in the sequel. So, in order to keep the sequel's storyline from feeling too cramped characters-wise, the storyline will be divided into three plotlines with Neku, Shiki, and Joshua each being the POV character of a specific one. |
| 941 | * Neku's plot will have him partake in Coco's new Reapers' Game. [[spoiler: Minamimoto]] will be his partner. |
| 942 | * Shiki's plot will have her attempt to rescue Neku from the UG. Beat will be her partner. |
| 943 | * Joshua's plot will have him essentially be fired from his position as [[spoiler: Composer]] due to the events of the first game. [[spoiler: The Erasure of Shinjuku and Noise appearing in the RG may also play a part in this.]] He'll have to find a way to make things right without being able to use his powers, potentially finding out who gave Coco [[spoiler: the power to create a Noise able to resemble Shibuya]] in the process. Rhyme will be his partner. |
| 944 | |
| 945 | [[WMG: Joshua changing his mind about Shibuya being worth saving had nothing to do with Kitanji ''or'' Neku.]] |
| 946 | Instead, he was convinced of Shibuya's potential by getting addicted to Tin Pin in Another Day, and decided that the place that originated that game could not be altogether bad. He kept playing along with Kitanji and Neku because he is a {{Troll}}. |
| 947 | |
| 948 | [[WMG: Why the FatAndProud girl looks just as thin as every other NPC]] |
| 949 | * Obvious boring Doylist answer: Because the devteam had no reason to care about this tiny detail. |
| 950 | * Hidden interesting Watsonian answer: Because by "fat" she means HollywoodPudgy, and the whole thing is [[AnAesop a stealth Aesop]] about not forcing yourself to suffer for the sake of impossibly-thin beauty standards. |
| 951 | |
| 952 | [[WMG: TWEWY takes place in the same universe as Anime/PantyAndStockingWithGarterbelt.]] |
| 953 | Ok, this is mostly just me thinking this because the artstyles of both of these series are similar to each other. Panty and Stocking used to be Reapers who eventually ascended into angelhood. Judgement was their previous Composer and offered them instant angelhood in return for them to become her servants up in heaven. |
| 954 | |
| 955 | To push this WMG even further: |
| 956 | ** Beings made from the negative energy of humans? '''Check''' (the Grudges from PSG, the Noise). |
| 957 | ** Angels? [[OurAngelsAreDifferent Although they act differently, they both have angel wings, and are]] HeavenlyBlue. '''Check'''. |
| 958 | ** A Composer? Judgement can be compared to one, so '''Check'''. |
| 959 | |
| 960 | Daten City is a UG ''and'' RG (different rules), but obviously a different type of game; one that doesn't rely on pins but instead, clothes that can transform into specific types of weapons. Judgement, being the Composer, replaced the Reapers with Demons. And I'm just throwing this out here: Corset is the GM, and the people that aren't part of the game (everyone besides our main characters) are [=NPCs=]. The Zippers are a lower level of Reapers with a lot of restrictions placed on them. Judgement herself has a Proxy, who is Garterbelt. |
| 961 | |
| 962 | Alternatively: the plot of PSG is a game itself. But that doesn't lead to much juicy writing. |
| 963 |
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